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Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: Can a Non muslim marry a muslim girl; Question...



I love to debate with you. With respect to religious belief, we are sitting at the two ends of a diameter and still seem to have mutual respect. Be frank and let me know if I cross the limits. 
O.K, so Jasimuddin was "technically" wrong. As per your explanation, then Islam does not "tolerate" that kind of humanism or liberalism! Do you have any theological proof in your hand? I want to know if such a written law exists at all, and if it does, when and by whom it was created. [As I have mentioned before, Hindu system has stricter laws. Good thing is that due to socio-economic conditions, those are now gradually becoming matters of the past. Even conservative parents feel good when they see that their son or daughter is in good hands.]
Would a family really become dysfunctional only because the two partners have different religions? How much time do we really spend in performing rituals? Let the Christian husband go to church alone or with his Hindu wife, and let the Hindu wife go to temple alone or take her Christian husband with her. I have seen instances and  in all these cases apparently the couples seem to be happy. I do not see any conflicts if you have respect for your partner. My experience is that conflicts arise out of nonreligious issues and some of the conflicts lead to divorce, separation, or even murder. Some Mughal kings' wives had temples built within the palace. 
The societies we live in are conservative. I can see a practical problem that the sons and daughters of a religiously heterogeneous couple face. They may suffer from an identity crisis if the society is not open. That is another issue and is mostly sociological. This can be overcome I believe if we learn to become liberal with respect to our religious views.     
 

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: Can a Non muslim marry a muslim girl; Question...
 
My point is if it is possible to make a religion more humanistic. After all religions are for human beings and not the vice-versa---as a humanist that's what I believe.

>>>>>>>>>> In case of Islam, it covers a lot deeper than two people getting married. It considers children, values, family culture etc. Albeit both Hinduism and Islam have many "Common grounds", there are few "Fundamental" differences. Like Judaism, Islam is a monotheist faith. So the very foundation is based on "One unseen God". While Hinduism differs from this a great deal in practice. It is interesting that, a lot of Veda do talk about "One unseen God" (Nirakar). I understand and do appreciate good art work or creative genius like Jasim uddin. However religion is not about "Give and take". If I worship Durga and you pray namaz two time, we'll be neither Hindu not Muslim. As I said, I know few couples who have interfaith marriages but I do not know of anyone who are practicing their faith also. Making an idol of our Creator goes against the fundamental message of Islam (No gods but GOD!). Therefore, (My person opinion) Jasimuddin was a creative man and it "Looks nice" and "Feel good" with the ideas he portrayed. In real life it does not work. Based on my observation, it works when neither partners are commit to any faith, so they compromise and enjoy Eid, puja and Christmas all at the same time. When you ask someone like that, please tell me about "Concept of God", it will sound like a new idea which kind of "Do as you please" religion. No disrespect to any particular faith!! For example, I cannot be a member of BAL and Jamaat-e-Islami at the same time. If I say, I attend both of the party meetings and organize the teams, I don't think I would be acceptable to anyone. Therefore, while we should be friendly, accepting and tolerating different opinions and faiths, it is unwise to mix up religions. My two cents......Shalom!
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Thanks. So both state and Islam can stand between young persons when they are deep love. Don't get me wrong. Hindu system is worse--not only the religion, even caste may act as the villain. There are also non-religious factors that may be an obstacle in case of marriage. My point is if it is possible to make a religion more humanistic. After all religions are for human beings and not the vice-versa---as a humanist that's what I believe.

In Jasimuddin's "Sojan Badiyar Ghat" a Muslim boy named Sojan and a Hindu girl Duli are in love with each other. They elope and marry secretly. They are religious. They respect each other's religion. For example, Sojan buys and brings vermilion and conch bangles for Duli and Duli draws Kaaba on a piece of cloth to decorate the room. Can't we say that humanist Jasimuddin has elevated religion at a higher level?


From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com taken Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: Can a Non muslim marry a muslim girl; Question...
 
I thought in Islam there is no compulsion on one's religious belief.


>>>>>>>>> Zakir Naik is not running for political office. It is true there is NO compulsion in religion. At the same time, religions have their own sets of rules. Islam or Dr. Naik did not say, these kids cannot get married but he said, it would NOT be accepted by Islam. Specifically, Islam allows limited inter-faith marriage between Muslims, Jews and Christians. But as an monotheistic religion, it differs with groups who add "Partners" to God.

If an Indian girl want to marry a Bangladeshi man, they have to go through some formality. If an African man want to marry a Chinese girl, they have to make some compromises (Where to live and how to raise the family, what values etc). Similarly Islam supports monotheistic ideology (Core of our faith) and those who want to remain Muslim have to agree to the concept. I know quite a few people who married Hindu partners but they are not religious. As far as I know they are living their lives nicely.

So Zakir Nail or Islam did not stop them from getting married but Islam does have some rules we have to follow. For example, just because I love India or Pakistan, I cannot walk into those countries without required papers. If someone want to practice Islam, they have to follow some rules of Islam.

Hope this will help you to understand the topic.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 4:16 amSubject: [mukto-mona] Re: Fwd: Can a Non muslim marry a muslim girl; Question...
 
 
I thought in Islam there is no compulsion on one's religious belief. Now I see from Zakir Naik's khutba that Islam can stand between two young persons--one Muslim and the other one Hindu--when they are in deep love with each other. Is Zakir Naik a true Islamic scholar? If Mr. Naik is right, then love has to be conditional. That is pretty pathetic. Sent from my iPhone
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