Like USA people of all colors and ethnic backgrounds live in Bangladesh. Just randomly pick 10 Japanese, Korean, Iranians or Vietnamese people. And randomly pick up 10 people from Bangladesh. You will see all kind of facial structures, colors, heights etc among Bangladeshis. The previous countries do not have diversities as much as Bangladesh or USA.
But Fundamental differences between Pakistan and Israel are there. Pakistan was not created by forcing locals out of their land as much as Israel did. In case of Israel the "Native" population were given 22% of historical Palestine and even that part has been occupied and slowly swallowed by Israel. That is not the case with Pakistan or any other country in the world.
Israel is an unique fanatical religious country which is pulling out apartheid policies against native non-Jewish population. Unfortunately there is not much the global community is doing about it. In case of Pakistan, it is getting US gift as US drones are bombing it every month for a long time. Israel gets US gifts but they are given fighter plane, bombs etc to fire on native non-Jews around them.
Israel gets the largest amount of USAID in the world. Pakistan is no where near it and the aid it receives has strings attached to it.
However there are few similarities. Both Pakistan and Israel had mostly ex-army generals leading these nations. Both were created with religious motivation.
My two cents....
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According to scholars, Jinnah was a secular person who wanted to establish rights for Indian Muslims. Anyone who thinks Jinnah was a great Muslim does not know his life story very well. However we became a great leader of the Muslims. Some people say (Maulana Azad) he did not even wanted to divide India but wanted to use concept of Pakistan as a tool to bargain with fanatical faction of congress leadership.
Our own Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was a very active member of Muslim League as well. It was the right thing to do since majority population was hostile to Muslims.
As a Bangladeshi I do NOT consider him as my leader but I am not stupid enough deny his place in our history. Bangladesh is the final outcome and I am glad we can live as free people here.
So Jinnah was a secular minded leader who became the leader of the Muslims. That is how it went down......
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Re: [mukto-mona] Was Jinnah Secular?
There are similarities between a lot of counties. You can draw similarities if you work on it for a while with most countries. We have similarities with USA. As majority of Bangladeshi population's forefathers came from all corners of the world many hundred years ago.
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Are there similarities between the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
and the Jewish State of Israel?
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As states created with the explicit purpose of safeguarding
the political rights of religious minorities, the Zionist and Pakistani
struggles for independence reflect some similar political traits and
approaches. Some of the problems they faced in nation-building were
also similar. In both cases, the question of nationhood was strongly
influenced by religion; yet those who led the struggle were anything
but religious.Neither Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the architect of Pakistan,
nor David BenGurion visualized the creation of theocratic entities.
Describing the complex personality of Jinnah, one Indian journalist
observed:
General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq (Pakistan's dictator from 1977-88) must
be a very relieved man that Mr. Jinnah, the "father" of Pakistan, is not
alive today -- or he would have to be flogged publicly for his personal
habits. Mr. Jinnah not only chain-smoked Craven-A cigarettes but also
liked his whisky and was not averse to pork. His was the life of an
upperclass liberal -- which indeed Jinnah was for most of his life, both
private and public.7
The same is true of Ben-Gurion's "observant" life-style. Though heavily
loaded with religiosity, both leaders and their colleagues desired a
modern state that would address and satisfy the particular needs of the
Muslims in an undivided India and the Jews in an undivided Palestine.
At the same time, in both cases the secular leadership that led the
nationalist struggle gradually gave way to religious elements that were
ideologically opposed to the very idea of religiously-defined states.8
7. M.J. Akbar, India: TheSiegeWithin, Challengesto aNation'sUnity, (New Delhi:
UPS, revised edition, 1996), p.19
8. P.R.Kumaraswamy, "The strangely parallel careers of Israel and Pakistan",
Middle East Quarterly, vol.4, no.2, June 1997, pp.31-39.
We have separate myth from reality.
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An interesting video indeed! Assuming there is no falsification in the dubbing; doesn't Jinnah look like a messenger of the Muslim Ummah?
Obviously, the pan-Islamic minds of the Indian subcontinent want to portray Jinnah as their great Muslim leader, and do not want him to look like secular. For, they want their countries to remain (for Pakistan and Bangladesh) and to be (for India) Muslim/Islamic havens.
My guess is that some secular people of the subcontinent want to portray Jinnah as a secular individual in order to encourage secularization of Pakistan and Bangladesh (which were fathered by their supreme leader, Jinnah). For the sane Bangladeshis who object to calling Jinnah their supreme leader, please recall the shameful history of the land that your forefathers made a part of Pakistan in 1947. To me, that kind of attempts to secularize the minds of religious hate-mongers is dishonest, would not work, and should not be done.
More later, may be.
Sukhamaya Bain
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