As far as I am concern this is an open forum not a forum about science. Still (Since you asked) the theory you seem to refer to (Which assume our forefathers were apes) is a "THEORY" only. Some scholars do differ from the narrative. I do not intend to get into it and enjoy living this with experts.
Hope you have enough maturity to understand the POINT I was making.
2. Regardless of what a religion says about forced conversion, history says it has occurred all the time. Many non-Muslims converted to Islam during 1971 occupation period.
>>>>>>>>> I am aware of torture on minority population but conversion numbers are not significant enough. Also in a very short war (Nine months) the pak army was defeated. So this Muslim majority nation rose up against oppression albeit they had to fight their Muslim brothers. If you can get out of your bias against Muslims, you can start appreciating the sacrifice Muslims of this country made to make that happen.
3. "Therefore, the notion Islam is the newest religion is factually WRONG." Are you sure or you are making up a theory to prove the eternality of Islam? Has the prophet ever said that? I think the Koran was revealed to him in the sixth century.
>>>>>>>>> I am 1000% sure and people with elementary knowledge of Islam knows it. I have given you TWO verifiable examples (Hajj and Qurbani) where we follow practice of prophet Abraham (PBUH). Which was thousands of years earlier then the LAST PROPHET Muhammad (PBUH). There is a reason why he is called the LAST prophet. Qurán itself lists around 25 more messengers of God Who came earlier than Muhammad (PBUH).
Atrocities committed by some Muslim invaders of India are historical facts.
>>>>>>>>> I was talking about the topic. These "Invaders" (I prefer migrants to describe these people, since they stayed back) engaged in wars (Which automatically involves violence) and I did not say anything about it. I ONLY said, there are NO major historical events showing mass conversion into Islam by any Muslim rulers. Since this type of act is PROHIBITED in Islam.
Hindu kings committed far greater atrocities and engaged in war fares. I am not disputing any of it.
My point was Muslims stayed away from forced conversion largely it was clearly prohibited in Islam. They ruled India for many centuries but around 85% of Indian population practiced their religion during this time. Until Muslim rulers, it was India saw much more violence and forced conversion/deportation on basis of religion.
If you keep talking about apples when I am discussing oranges, it will be difficult to share our thoughts. Do understand my comments were about religious conversions.
Shalom!
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1. The belief that "...the religion of Islam started with the first couple on earth (Adam and Eve)" defies the theory of evolution and hence is not tenable in the eyes of the scientific community.
>>>>>>>> The point I was making that, Islam is the oldest religion starting with first human kind on earth.
1. The belief that "...the religion of Islam started with the first couple on earth (Adam and Eve)" defies the theory of evolution and hence is not tenable in the eyes of the scientific community. Use this as a faith based assertion and look for a transcendental meaning to make modern sense out of it. You may approach a Muslim scientist (there are some in this forum) for an explanation.
2. Regardless of what a religion says about forced conversion, history says it has occurred all the time. Many non-Muslims converted to Islam during 1971 occupation period.
3. "Therefore, the notion Islam is the newest religion is factually WRONG." Are you sure or you are making up a theory to prove the eternality of Islam? Has the prophet ever said that? I think the Koran was revealed to him in the sixth century.
4. "If Muslims wanted to use force (Like Hindus did with Buddhists), they had more than ample opportunities to do so. They ruled India nearly a thousand years. They also ruled Southern Europe for 800 years and NO scholars ever said Muslims forced people to convert. This was a practice in European Christians but not Muslims." It all depends on who is ruling or ruled and when, how, and where (in what circumstances) he is ruling or ruled. Atrocities committed by some Muslim invaders of India are historical facts. Why do you have to ignore or justify their heinous crimes. Many princes in India were liberal and had minimum or no preaching zeal at all. Priority of some of the rulers was to rule in collaboration with non-Hindus; preaching was not their primary goal. Because of the higher majority of non-Muslims in India, they could only jeopardize their position as rulers by angering the Hindus. In the modern world, it has now become lot harder to convert unless in chaotic situation that prevailed, for example, in 1971 in East Pakistan.
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Member Roy, There are some major mistakes about information (About Islam and Christianity) you posted. We have discussed these issues with web based references but it seems you stayed with wrong information. For example, the religion of Islam started with the first couple on earth (Adam and Eve). Also forced conversion is NOT permissible by the religion and there were NO major event of forced conversion.hristianity started its religious conquest through Crusade (1095-1291) to counter Islamic conversion and hegemony around the world. Also missionary Christianity started much earlier than the time you stated (Much earlier than crusade). Crusade itself had NO link with missionaries. Within hours from now Muslims of Bangladesh will be celebrating Eid-Ul-Azha and it had NO relation to prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Rather few thousand years ago a prophet name Ibrahim or Abraham (PBUH). The whole ritual of hajj is mostly honoring customs and events from prophet Abraham (PBUH). Therefore, the notion Islam is the newest religion is factually WRONG. You wrote...In contrast, some Islamic groups still continue forceful, coercive, and deceitful tactics for religious conversion
>>>>>>>>> Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe and America. Kindly show in which place force was used to convert anyone. Your lack of respect to Islam was evident with many previous posts but these are distortion of facts. I hope an educated person like yourself will consider being honest with your blogs and opinions. The dream of Islamic world among many Muslims may be polarizing the world into two poles: Islamic and non-Islamic. Many of those conversions are targeted towards younger generation.>>>>>>>>> As I stated forced or deceitful conversion is NOT permitted in Islam. If Muslims wanted use force (Like Hindu did with Buddhists), they had more than ample opportunities to do so. They ruled India nearly a thousand years. They also ruled Southern Europe for 800 years and NO scholars ever said Muslims forced people to convert. This was a practice in European Christians but not Muslims. If you feel the information I shared was not accurate, please share your sources of information (Not another opinion but from scholars). Shalom!
-----Original Message-----From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:36 pmSubject: [mukto-mona] Religious Conversion
Please have a look at the blog, entitled : Religious Conversion, by clicking on the following link:
Thank you.
Jiten Roy
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