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Friday, January 10, 2014

[mukto-mona] Re: হাসিনার দেশে গণতন্ত্রে পচন ধরেছে: ইকোনমিস্ট



1. "What is happening in Bangladesh over a decade is the lack of responsiveness from its citizenry."
Agreed....we all have duties & responsibilities.....With regards to all the violence, killings and innocent (who is't) civilians getting killed/burned, can we then say that we deserve what have build collectively? .We get what we pay for?  We expect someone else will do all the good things.....all the good governess...we just sit back and expect the best outcome.....sorry folks it does not work that way...how many of us went on the street protesting President's pardoning the convicted murderers over & over again on political basis? What kind of peaceful environment were we expecting by staffing society/politics with murderers & criminals?
 
  2. " Just criticizing the system will not be sufficient."
Surely you need a "few good men" to drive at least some part of the system (human are inherently fallible and that's why need for a good checks & balance system).  When a few such good/credible men (SUJON,Gonoforun, TIB, CPID) tried to hold "nagorik sonmelon" and adviced govt, they were called many ill-names by our own PM to malign them and discredit them....and the news media went along with it.  


On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:11 PM, "Sayed, Hares (DGS)" <hares.sayed@dc.gov> wrote:
Yes, Nietzsche was a philosopher and ventured a wide array of subjects and displayed his fondness for metaphor, irony and aphorism.  His key ideas encircled many aspects of life including apollonian and dionysian dichtomies.  His radical questioning of the value and objectivity of truth remains socially prevalent till today.  Metaphorically putting the term "death of God" sometimes reflects our misunderstanding about today's politics and governance.  I remember, back in previous election during the Hon Khaleda's regime (when they came to power), there was a mass killing and torture on minority group in greater Barisal district. The media reporting were so touching that I wrote an article in one of the social group titled "Is Allah Hiding?" and obviously that created a stir among the subscribers and I was barely hanging on and somehow survived.

Now we are talking about Hon Sk. Hasina's present formation of government, the anarchy in Bangladesh, arson, destruction of properties, killing of innocent peoples and dismay economic picture of the country. Basically we are circling around the same terrible situation in every election year and getting worse every year. Borrowing the teachings of Nietzche, Hegel, Descrates, Berkeley, Schopenhauer et. al., and their investigations on individual motivation it safe to conclude that the human desire is futile, illogical, directionless, and, by extension, so is all human action in the world. Schopenhauer wrote "Man can indeed do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wants". The "Will" is a malignant, metaphysical existence which controls not only the actions of individual, intelligent agents, but ultimately all observable phenomena; an evil to be terminated via mankind's duties: asceticism and chastity.

What is happening in Bangladesh over a decade is the lack of responsiveness from its citizenry.  Our political system failed as well as government and other institutions became dysfunctional, and we are always trying to work around it.  Ethics and morality are out of the door, gaining wealth using muscle power, constitutional position holders serving at will of the appointed authority etc., creating a new form of democracy or governance. As if Bangladesh is a part of an alien planet.  Politicians are guided by egoism and malice.  Egotistic acts are guided by self-interest, desire for pleasure or happiness. Putting a Band-Aid works sometimes but does not have the ability to put the country on the track for a stable future.

Please seat back and think. Visit your constitution and try to identify the main causes for such political mess in Bangladesh. It tells all. Just criticizing the system will not be sufficient.

Regards
Hares Sayed


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Subject: Re: হাসিনার দেশে গণতন্ত্রে পচন ধরেছে: ইকোনমিস্ট

Salim bhai,

You are a good writer and analyst; please contribute more to our group. Bangladesh is passing through one of the worst time in our history. We all need to be united against the oppressive regime of Hasina.


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On Fri, 1/10/14, Salim Afsar <salimafsar@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: হাসিনার দেশে গণতন্ত্রে পচন ধরেছে: ইকোনমিস্ট
To: "Shahadat Hussaini" <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>
Cc: "Sayeda Haq" <sayedahaq@yahoo.com>, "mokto mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "alochona" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, "saokot hossain" <saokot_nccbl@yahoo.com>, "Mohammad Gani" <mgani69@gmail.com>, "Farzana Ahmed" <farzana.ahmed48@yahoo.com>, "Bazlul Wahab" <bazlul@yahoo.com>, "Rukshana Niloofar" <grambangla2000@gmail.com>, "farida" <farida_majid@hotmail.com>, "Zainul Abedin" <zainul321@yahoo.com>, "kazi4986@yahoo.com" <kazi4986@yahoo.com>, "neawamileague NE" <neawamileague@gmail.com>, "manik195709@yahoo.com" <manik195709@yahoo.com>, "Nakib Uddin" <md.uddin@comcast.net>, "Akram Bhuyian" <abhuiya@comcast.net>, "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "Mohammad Aleem" <aleem53@yahoo.com>, "khan boston" <khanboston@gmail.com>, "Shahadat Hussaini" <shahadathusaini@hotmail.com>, "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net>, "syed aslam" <syed.aslam3@gmail.com>, "Khondoker  Ahmed" <khandokerb@yahoo.com>, "Sohrab Khan" <sohrabkhan16@yahoo.com>, "notun Bangladesh" <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, "Abdul Momen" <abdul_momen@hotmail.com>, "bhin golardho" <golardho@yahoo.com>, "syed margoob" <smargoob@yahoo.com>, "Tareque Ahmed" <tarequea@hotmail.com>, "Abdul Hamid" <sahamid@gmail.com>, "Mir Ahmed" <mirahmadf@hotmail.com>, "Nazda Alam" <alamnazdak@comcast.net>, "Mukul City" <mukulcity@gmail.com>, "Ojana Pothik" <pothik2302@yahoo.com>, "Syed Asif" <syedasif007@yahoo.com>, "Tanvir Nowaz" <tanvirnowaz@yahoo.com>, "a rahman" <aarahman@msn.com>, "rakhal Bondhu" <rakhalbandho@gmail.com>, "omtajul haq" <omtajul@yahoo.com>, "mahmud rahman" <mahmudur@hotmail.com>, "Fazlul Karim" <azadkk@gmail.com>, "Quazi Nuru" <quazinuru@yahoo.com>, "shahin khan" <shahinkhan58@hotmail.com>, "suhas barua" <suhasboston@gmail.com>, "shafiqul 76" <shafiqul76@gmail.com>, "shahdeeldar@gmail.com" <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>, "Munir" <munir1062@yahoo.com>,  "enayet ullah" <maenayetullah@gmail.com>, "kalim ullah" <kullah@camsys.com>, "Rehana Rahman" <rehana.rahman@gmail.com>, "fahmed@yahoo.com" <fahmed@yahoo.com>, "anis.ahmed@netzero.com" <anis.ahmed@netzero.com>, "Nakib Uddin" <md_uddin@comcast.net>, "Kazi Jalal" <drkazijalal@hotmail.com>, "Shaheed Islam" <shaheedulislam@comcast.net>, "Sonar Bangladesh" <sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, "Mohamed Habibullah" <zarfzahra@yahoo.com>, "Munir Ahmed" <munirr54@yahoo.com>, "rehana rahman" <rehana.rahman@comcast.net>, "mina farahh" <farahmina@gmail.com>, "shahriyar alam" <alamshahriar@yahoo.com>, "alema karim" <alemakarim@gmail.com>, "Bishaw Jeet" <bishawdipta@yahoo.com>, "osmangani50@gmail.com" <osmangani50@gmail.com>, "zahid.osmani@bnymellon.com" <zahid.osmani@bnymellon.com>, "bostonian.bd@gmail.com" <bostonian.bd@gmail.com>, "sayahm4@aol.com" <sayahm4@aol.com>, "sayem" <babynabeeha@yahoo.com>, "Nazrul Islam" <nislam@gmail.com>, "israt sayra"
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Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 10:31 AM

Folks,
Salaam:
              German thinker
Nietzsche famously know for saying that God is dead. He is  also known for saying that modern state is an Organized  Immorality. He questioned, 'How is it achieved that a  great mass ( the nation state ) does things the individual  would never consent to do'? So if God is dead and State is  evil then where do the ordinary man turn to for help?  His  answer was some sort of superman who would make things whole  again. Some people think Hitler was the product of the  Nietzsche's superman theory. So basically he is not much  help for us. As somebody said, there is no moon in  Nietzsche's sky, only screeching owl.  But he made some  excellent points.
            Year was 1996, I think.
Bill Clinton going to visit India. There was thirty five  Sikhs men massacred in Kashmiri village of Chitisinghpura.
The everybody knew that it was the Muslims who did it. Many  Muslims were rounded up and killed, both by Indian security  forces and outraged civilians. Years later it was found out  that the Sikh massacre was done by Indian Secret Service to  silence Clinton about Kashmir. This is one of the example of  Organized Immorality. There are so many of these of state  sponsored Organized Immorality around the world in recent  history that Nietzsche is quite relevant for his  insight.
            Some people are drawing
parallel between Kashmir and Bangladesh these days. Looks  like PM is relishing every moment of this situation. Her  main helpers are the well trained, well equipped security  force elites who were  recruited from Chatra League cadres  and Gopalganj area residents. These bunch were trained in  India. There is no way to get out of this mess we are in now  without getting into deeper mess. Organized Immorality is in  action in full force. Yes, there is no inspiring  alternatives either.



2014/1/10 Shahadat
Hussaini <shahadathussaini@hotmail.com>





হাসিনার দেশে
গণতন্ত্রে পচন ধরেছে:
ইকোনমিস্ট
১০
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নিউজ ডেস্ক
আরটিএনএন
লন্ডন: গত ৫ জানুয়ারির
একতরফা নির্বাচনকে
'প্রহসন' আখ্যা দিয়ে
বিশ্বখ্যাত বৃটিশ
সাময়িকী ইকোনমিস্ট
বলেছে, এই নির্বাচনে
জয়ী হয়ে শেখ হাসিনার
আওয়ামী লীগ আরেকটি
মেয়াদের জন্য যথেষ্ট
ভিত্তি পেতে পারেন না।


শেখ হাসিনার দেশে
গণতন্ত্রে পচন ধরেছে
বলেও মন্তব্য করেছে
ইকোনমিস্ট।

পত্রিকাটির শনিবারের
প্রিন্ট সংস্করণে
প্রকাশিত 'অ্যানাদার
বিটিং; শেখ হাসিনা
প্লানস টু হ্যাং অন টু
অফিস আফটার অ্যান
ইলেকটোরাল ফার্স
(আরেকটি আঘাত, প্রহসনের
নির্বাচনের পরও শেখ
হাসিনা ক্ষমতা আকড়ে
থাকার পরিকল্পনা
করছেন)' প্রতিবেদনে এই
মন্তব্য করা হয়েছে।
ইতোমধ্যেই
প্রতিবেদনটি অলনাইন
সংস্ককরণে প্রকাশিত
হয়েছে।











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