If you can be so specifically vocal against AL (your favorite acronym BAL),
>>>>>>>> Sorry to say, maybe you are having a bad day or something. BAL stands for BANGLADESH AWAMI LEAGUE and similarly BNP stands for BANGLADESH NATIONALIST PARTY. If there is any "Issue" in saying this, it is inside your head. Nowhere else!!
why don't you at least once mention Jamat as a perpetrator!
>>>>>>>>> My posts consistantly covered all parties. If you are unsure, please re-read my posts. I am not sure why YOU have to make things so personal. If I had the power to change the sad state we are living right now (As far as minorities are concern), I would have done it by now.
However unlike you, I am NOT attached to any particular political organization. So my comments are general unless we have "Biswajit" type of evidences. For your information, criminals who murdered Biswajit in broad day light are still "Work in progress". I am not going ask you WHY you are quiet about that!!
Because I do not subscribe into "My criminal" and "Opposition criminal" mentality.
Jamat has a long history of being communal party let alone it's role in 1971.
>>>>>>>>>>> I think everyone is aware of that. Now our government prosecution team simply needs to present their case to our honorable judges. You are welcome to help them. It seems they can use YOU (Since in last four years these lawyers failed to present data to support their cause).
I call this behavior intellectual dishonesty.
>>>>>>>>> I cannot agree with such illogical statement. If someone does not agree with your "Politics", they are intellectually dishonest. I think there is a word for that, "Intolerant". In most civilized countries (Including the one you reside) have a practice not to many assumptions about any cases that are being tried in the courts.
If you are unhappy with the court verdict, you should blame the state prosecution team. BNP is not part of the process and Jamaat is the defendant. So Jamaat is defending themselves (A practice common all over the world) and BNP is observing. I would say, some of our BAL ministers are with lose tounges and often they are hurting the judicial process by frequently commenting on them.
It seems, you expect Jamaat (Even OJ Simpson and Nazis had lawyers!!) to supply their own lists of wrongdoing? Please help me out there!
Probably you have noticed that when appropriate unhesitatingly I criticize AL including Mujib although to me AL is a better choice than BNP
>>>>>>>>>> Which is known to me and I respect your opinions. I don't demand from you that, "You MUST" say such and such things against BAL or Bangabandhu. I am not sure what drives you to make such "Less than civilized" demands from others?
(Correct me if I am wrong) is there a "Double standard"? :-)
If Jamat is a party of your preference (which is not unlikely because of your and Jamat's common attitude to Islamic rule, Sharia Law, and Sharia banking) and if you openly express it, I will respect your opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope Sharia laws, Islamic rules or Islamic banking are not exclusive property of any political party. People from all political parties have Islamic banking. Islamic banking is the fastest growing financial sector in Bangladesh and despite all propaganda it will remain the fastest growing segment in coming years.
As a rule of thumb, I decide how to express "MY opinions" and it has been consistent over many months in this forum. I am NOT going to shy away from speaking out against Rohinga massacre in our neighboring country just because Jamaat said it as well. I ALSO spoke up against RAMU incidents and attacks against minorities as well. There is a good chance some people did not like the later choices but Islam motivates me to speak up against injustice against all people.
So I ONLY speak up. Many members are part of political groups (And they make it obvious, albeit they call themselves Mukto-Mona??). Mostly I share my observations and if I failed to deliver certain demands, you may blame my "Mukto-mona SPIRIT" for it.
I hope you will revert back from personal attacks and demands. Let us share our ideas and discuss those ideas. We have to start a culture which encourages us to speak up our minds without confirming to current politics and policies. Let us try to speak from our hearts and enrich our surroundings.
In the mean time, let me share latest politics of Bangladesh....
Major parties woo Islamists to join their respective sides----New age
Staff Correspondent
The country's two rival political camps are trying hard from behind the scenes to woo the Islamists to their respective sides, giving the Islamists some political importance, at least for the time being.
Shortly after some blasphemous write ups were posted on websites, a number of Islamists parties, many backed by Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, launched a noisy street protests demanding exemplary punishment to those involved in mocking Islam and its Prophet Muhammad (SM).
The street agitation of the Islamists claimed several lives as the law enforcers had to open fire to contain the frenzied protesters at different parts across the country, pushing the Awami League-led government to an awkward situation.
Party insiders said Jamaat-e-Islami, which is facing its worst time for the war crimes trial, immediately took the advantage of the situation and started backing the Islamists from behind the curtains.
In the face of the evolving situation, ruling Awami League initiated a move too to woo the Islamists and designated some of its leaders to hold backstage parleys with the Islamists..........................................................................................................................................................................
For rest of the article, please click here.
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Probably you have noticed that when appropriate unhesitatingly I criticize AL including Mujib although to me AL is a better choice than BNP. If Jamat is a party of your preference (which is not unlikely because of your and Jamat's common attitude to Islamic rule, Sharia Law, and Sharia banking) and if you openly express it, I will respect your opinion.
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This time all the attacks have allegedly come from Jamat. BNP
>>>>>>>>> These "Allegations" should be looked into and our government has to remember that, they are "Government of Bangladesh" not a party. So they have people's mandate to govern the whole country. Therefore whoever commit any crime (Jamaat, BNP, BAL or anyone) should be punished.
There has been a disturbing report about young boy name Toki, who was murdered. His own father (A leader of BAL) publicly blamed another BAL leader from Narayangong. We want to see justice delivered in our country as I know our honorable PM knows very well what it feels like losing young members of family. Similarly the Biswajit incident is forgotten and I hope the "Minority Unity council" will stay out of politics and speak with same voice for all victims. So far they tend to "Promote" BAL narrative and it is harmful for mainstream minority population in the long run. So they have to tread carefully if they want to speak up for certain political parties or speak on behalf of all minorities regardless who were the attacker.
As I said earlier, according to Mr. Shahriar Kabir (Discussed in ATN TV talk show hosted by Mr. Shamal Dutta) around 8,000 violent incidents took place where Muslims were involved and rest 2,000 incidents involved minorities.
Therefore, casualty of Muslim population is quite high and the image of "Muslims attacking Hindus" for their faith is inaccurate for most incidents ( I am sure there are some exceptions). Largely it has been a political clash between supporters of different political parties.
Shalom (May peace be unto you)!
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There is no denying our weak part of the society take the brunt of "Political game" that takes place roughly every five years in Bangladesh. NOT only Hindus, many Muslim families face very difficult situation during election season. The Hindu community faces an additional "Difficulty" of being attacked by land grabbing thugs who take advantage of weak police and try to gobble up properties of Hindus. So in addition to political clashes (Which take place all over the country between supporters of BNP, BAL Jatiya party and Jamaat supporters), some people are victims of personal grudges. For example, son of an BAL leader in Narayangang was murdered and the family did not blame Jammat for it, rather it pointed at another faction of BAL party.
There are other reports of going after political and local opponents as well. So we have focus on saving the most vulnerable citizens who are being targeted for their property or political allegiance. It is really heart breaking to see that, even non political people are not spared.
Guess armed political conflicts are difficult to handle for common people like us (Unarmed). So we have to speak up for those people (OF all faith) who cannot speak up in our system. I urge coalition leaders to put enough pressure on our governments (Regardless who is in power) to look at this issue. Otherwise minorities will be played for politics like Muslims are played in India!!
We speak a lot of about 1971 and patriotism. This is the time to speak up. I am glad "Gonojagoron Moncho" is arranging "Unity Moncho" to show our solidarity with our non-Muslim brothers and sisters who are victims of violence for political alliances.
As I spoke frequently, it is Islamic ideal to offer protection to non-Muslim crowd (Thus the name "Dhimmi/dhimma" or protected comes from). Now we are neither Islamic nor secular. We have to reinforce our values in administration and young people should keep an eye on this issue.
Frequently I spoke about empowering police and judicial system. Little did I know the need of it will be so apparent so quickly!!
I urge everyone of us to unite in "Fundamental national issues". We may differ in minor issues but this is our
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Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: কি ভাই!! থেমে আছ�? আরো বেশ�- আরো জোর�, বাংলাদে
Jamat is involved in all atrocious activities against the religious minorities as well as in killing police.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because my statement involves all of them. This is incorrect to think ONLY one party is involved in criminal activities. Simply whomever is committing crime, they should be punished. Not sure why are you offended? :-(
That's exactly what I am referring to. The statement that all criminals have to be punished is a general statement which is all right. But sometimes we need to be specific. This time it has been pretty clear that Jamat is involved in all atrocious activities against the religious minorities as well as in killing police. If you can be so specifically vocal against AL (your favorite acronym BAL), why don't you at least once mention Jamat as a perpetrator! Jamat has a long history of being communal party let alone it's role in 1971. We have among us a lot of people who are like this and I call this behavior intellectual dishonesty.
Thanks for your response. The fact remains that this time the attacks are coming from Jamat. We all need to be specific and vocal and must not dilute the issue too much by bringing side issues. This is not the time for Intellectual dishonesty.
>>>>>>>> My position is consistent over the years. Criminals needs to be punished. If we start "Cherry picking" my criminals and "Opposition criminals", the whole process will lose weight. I am seeking PURE "Intellectual HONESTY". Nothing more...
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Thanks for your response. The fact remains that this time the attacks are coming from Jamat. We all need to be specific and vocal and must not dilute the issue too much by bringing side issues. This is not the time for Intellectual dishonesty.
I ONLY share what Islam says about certain issues. I am NOT promoting any platform and like to stay true "Mukto-mona" as much as possible. So I can criticize when criticism is the right thing to do and I share information about Islam, so you (And rest of members) can judge who is following Islam and who is breaking fundamental laws/ideals of Islam.
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Jamat-e-Islami is an Islamic party. Looks like it does not follow the Islamic Dhimmi principle. This time all the attacks have allegedly come from Jamat. BNP and many intellectuals however do not believe it. In 2001 the attack came from BNP. Has AL ever attacked Hindus as a party? I don't remember.
I feel we (Everyone of all religion) have to sit down and think about to change this situation permanently. First of all, according to Mr. Shahriar Kabir (Leader of ghatak-dalal-nirmul committee) there were around 10,000 incidents took place since the Kader Mollah and Delwar Hossain verdict came out. Among them close to 2,000 incidents involved our non-Muslim citizens (Hindu, Christians and other minorities). He revealed this number in front of advocate Rana Das Gupta (Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council) in a talk show at ATN TV. Advocate Rana did not dispute the number provided by Mr. Shahriar Kabir. I am sure all of us agree that, Shahriar Kabir is NOT a Jamaat spokes person!!
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