>>>>>>>>> Sallahuddin Ayubi was a great LEADER of Kurdish origin. His leadership is still respected by Muslims and non-Muslims alike. He followed the footstep of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and forgave his enemies (Crusaders) albeit the enemy camp turned out place of worship into a stable for horses for the longest time. They "Blood campaigns" were of epic proportion and even Arab Christians were not spared.
Getting outside support for an aspiring group is common
>>>>>>>>> Kurds have bitter history with Arabs and it is way more complicated than just "Outside help".
I value their aspiration as I value such aspiration of all people (Of all religion and regions). Since they have a lot in common with Turkish authority, I was hoping for peaceful solution between these people. I did not wish to witness more innocent civilians getting killed over political disputes.
I was delighted to see that, (Unlike previous secular regime) the Turkish authority taking steps to resolved issue via discussions. That is all.
Shalom!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well Bush does not have the brain to do that. You are right. Dick Cheney did that in most part. I stand corrected. :-)
Turkey is a good example but I think you are getting too personal in this discussion. My "Favorite" country was Bangladesh and Inshallah will remain that way rest of my life.
How much do you know about Kurds? Do you know who arms them and funds them?
I do have sympathy for Kurdish people but I feel they can solve their issues without getting armed.
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I want to add an "Update" to the question asked about Kurdish people and Turkey.
As per latest News, Turkey is trying to launch a "Peace process" with the Kurds.
Turkey set to launch Northern Ireland-style peace process with PKK
Turkey expects the Kurdistan Workers Party terrorist group to declare a ceasefire next week in a move that will begin a Northern Ireland-style peace process to end one of the world bloodiest conflicts, a senior official has said.
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The great fighter Saladin of the crusade period was a Kurd
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Let me say only about the Kurds. The great fighter Saladin of the crusade period was a Kurd. I respect aspiration of self-determination. We all should that. Getting outside support for an aspiring group is common. Kashmiris get support from Pakistan. Does this mean that their aspiration of self-determination is of no value?
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7. It is not only Bush who took the nation to war. Brilliant presidents also have done the same thing. This is a different issue and cannot be used as an excuse to undermine the US constitution which is not yet perfect and that's why which is still evolving hopefully for the better. Is not your favorite Turkey messing up with the Kurds? Take the example from Bangladesh also. What has Zia done with the CHT people?
Numan Kurtulmus, the deputy chairman of the ruling AK Party said on Wednesday that talks with Abdullah Ocalan, the organisation's jailed leader were expected to produce a formal breakthrough on the first day of Kurdish new year on March 21.
Turkey has sought a peace deal with Mr Ocalan in an effort to secure backing from Kurdish politicans for constitutional changes that extend the leadership of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the prime minister.
Turkish officials have conducted negotiations with Mr Ocalan, who is imprisoned in an island prison camp, Imrali on the Bosphoros, and his lieutentants with a shared understanding that neither side can proclaim a battlefield victory.
The talks were relaunched in January and have moved to fruitution quickly. With a similar set of negotiations having been derailed by PKK atrocities in 2009, there are lingering fears that an offensive by dissidents could cause a last minute hitch.
Shalom!
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1. By saying that "primarily by ISI and initially backed by America. We know how that worked out", you have avoided answering my questions.
2. You have love for what is happening in Malaysia, Turkey, and Egypt. What is your opinion about the US (probably your adopted country) and Bangladesh (your motherland) (1972) constitutions? Don't you think that they are better than or at least as good as those of Malayasia, Turkey, and Egypt? Why can't you accept the principle of "separation of church and state"? I don't understand how you prefer, for example, the Muslim Brotherhood (primarily for the Sunni) to the secular rules which theoretically provide equal rights to all citizens. Admittedly even a secular constitution is not perfect. Why can't we build on what we have in such constitutions? Medina Charter happened 1500 hundred years ago. Since then we have advanced and more progressive thoughts. Abolition of slavery and expanded women's rights are two of them. Whatever is good in Medina Charter, I am sure, has been captured in the great constitutions of the world. Why do we have to stick to only the Medina Charter exclusively?
3. This is a time to strongly specifically condemn Jamat-Shibir's heinous activities which you seem to be unwiling to do. This is also the time to criticize BNP for its present role with respect to trial of the war criminals and its position on Jamat-Shibir's heinous activities. One will not do it only if he or she is allied with Jamat-BNP politics. You need to understand that this is a serious moment and it has great implications for our great spirits of the liberation war.
4. I feel good when you say, "However if you want to speak about Jamaat, I do understand where you are coming from." Yes, I come from the big forum which believes in the great spirits (secularism is one of them) of 1971 liberation struggle. Are you coming from a different place? Do you endorse Jamat's anti-Ahmadiya stance?
5. You are confusing between an Islamic rule and a Muslim rule. An Islamic rule is essentially biased against the religious minorities. Mujib was a Muslim ruler but he believed in the four state principles until the notorious 4th Amendment. Pakistan, an Islamic Republic, cannot have a non-Muslim President. Pakistan has declared Ahmadiyas non-Muslims. Muslim Brotherhood cannot have a woman President.
6. If you read holy books critically, you will see that many of the teachings have to be reinterpreted in the light of the present context.
7. It is not only Bush who took the nation to war. Brilliant presidents also have done the same thing. This is a different issue and cannot be used as an excuse to undermine the US constitution which is not yet perfect and that's why which is still evolving hopefully for the better. Is not your favorite Turkey messing up with the Kurds? Take the example from Bangladesh also. What has Zia done with the CHT people?
8. Islamic rule is fundamentally flawed as it is not secular and cannot guarantee equal rights to all the citizens including women and probably non-Sunni sects. Only one with religious ego can feel good with the tag "Islamic" in the constitution, banking, and legal systems.
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
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