QR: "Have you forgotten our own 71? It was a political problem which ended violently."
What '71-war had to do with raping millions of Muslim women by Muslims? Were they all enemies? What '71-war had to do with killing all top line Muslim intellectuals by Muslims? Were they all in the battle field? You are not talking to ignorant people here, so please don't expect that people will accept your sermon as the truth, without criticism. I do not mock religion, I criticize them. When I bring up religion for discussion, that will be general discussions on all religions. I made myself clear many times before that - I have no fascination for religion; I blame religion for dividing humanity into different religious sects for no good purpose. Why don't you keep your religion to yourself, so we can be friend again. I want to see people as human, not Hindu, Muslim, Buddhists, Christians, etc. I stand by my view on religion.
I take part when others bring a particular religion up for discussion. This thread was introduced by someone; I just participated in it.
Also, please stop pretending that you know Islam and others are ignorant. I like many of your views, but also noticed that - whenever people disagree with you - you discard them as unauthentic, which does not make your comments more legit.
Jiten Roy
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
Why would Muslims need security against fellow Muslims if they all follow Prophet's mandate?
>>>>>>>>>> Actually they did not need anything extra. They had it all. After US army "Dropped by without invitation", it started a sectarian fight among Iraqis. First with the Kurds then between Shia and Sunni tribes.
During occupation, the US army paid certain tribes to fight others. It has been discussed in great detail and debated. Don't know why you did not hear about it.
I have to repeat myself again here. The tribal and sectarian wars is not driven by Islam but the idea of "Divide and rule".
IF you are interested to "Mock" my faith, you don't need to know anything (Just listen to Rush Limbaugh). But if you want to "Critic" Islam, it is required that, you know a bit about the subject you are talking about.
Ironically after world class idiot George Bush invaded Iraq, it helped Iran a great deal. Poor Obama has to clean up the mess one more time (First the economic mess and political). Today this "Adventure" not only cost US taxpayers Trillion dollar bill but it "Officially" empowered Iran. Iraq used to be run by Sunni rulers (More friendly to the US), now it is run by a Shia administration who is very close to Iran and oppressing the Sunni population.
This damn ass operation cost Iraq over six hundred thousand lives (Who were not interested to fight the US) and still cursed by a ongoing sectarian violence.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well if you are ignorant of the subject you wish to discuss, I have no choice but to invest my precious time to educate you to keep our discussions reducing to personal attacks, rants and mocking.
when we are talking about Muslim-on-Muslim violence.
>>>>>>>>> Sir you are not a corn farmer from Idaho. You come from Bangladesh.
Have you forgotten our own 71? It was a political problem which ended violently. Pakistan tried and failed to abuse Islam as trump card and it failed. Today Syria is facing another war situation among Muslims. Islam is not causing any of it. Please look these subjects up. Any unbiased analysis will support my position.
That's why I called you a fuzzy believer, who is unable to see details.
>>>>>>>>> You are more than welcome to call me whatever you feel in your heart. However do use your brain and use logic to any future criticism. I am always willing to learn a different point of view. If that point of view lacks logic, information or data, it does not help anyone.
Shalom!
During occupation, the US army paid certain tribes to fight others. It has been discussed in great detail and debated. Don't know why you did not hear about it.
I have to repeat myself again here. The tribal and sectarian wars is not driven by Islam but the idea of "Divide and rule".
IF you are interested to "Mock" my faith, you don't need to know anything (Just listen to Rush Limbaugh). But if you want to "Critic" Islam, it is required that, you know a bit about the subject you are talking about.
Ironically after world class idiot George Bush invaded Iraq, it helped Iran a great deal. Poor Obama has to clean up the mess one more time (First the economic mess and political). Today this "Adventure" not only cost US taxpayers Trillion dollar bill but it "Officially" empowered Iran. Iraq used to be run by Sunni rulers (More friendly to the US), now it is run by a Shia administration who is very close to Iran and oppressing the Sunni population.
This damn ass operation cost Iraq over six hundred thousand lives (Who were not interested to fight the US) and still cursed by a ongoing sectarian violence.
You seem to have excuses for everything. I would not call you a 'blind' believer;
>>>>>>>>>>> Well if you are ignorant of the subject you wish to discuss, I have no choice but to invest my precious time to educate you to keep our discussions reducing to personal attacks, rants and mocking.
when we are talking about Muslim-on-Muslim violence.
>>>>>>>>> Sir you are not a corn farmer from Idaho. You come from Bangladesh.
Have you forgotten our own 71? It was a political problem which ended violently. Pakistan tried and failed to abuse Islam as trump card and it failed. Today Syria is facing another war situation among Muslims. Islam is not causing any of it. Please look these subjects up. Any unbiased analysis will support my position.
That's why I called you a fuzzy believer, who is unable to see details.
>>>>>>>>> You are more than welcome to call me whatever you feel in your heart. However do use your brain and use logic to any future criticism. I am always willing to learn a different point of view. If that point of view lacks logic, information or data, it does not help anyone.
Shalom!
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
From: MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com>
To: Mukto-mona Mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
Mr. Q. Rahman,
We are talking about Prophet's mandate on Muslims to be merciful; nothing to do with USA. I am talking about the current situation in Iraq and Pakistan, where Muslim-on-Muslim violence is rampant even without the US-presence there. You are blaming on the lack of security created by the USA. Why would Muslims need security against fellow Muslims if they all follow Prophet's mandate? Nobody (including non-Muslims) should need security against merciful Muslims.
You seem to have excuses for everything. I would not call you a 'blind' believer; I would like to call you a 'fuzzy' believer, because - you know how to extract good out of your religious belief, but due to fuzziness of your thought process, you often go off-track. You should have right judgment on this subject, at least, when we are talking about Muslim-on-Muslim violence.
What Pakistani soldiers did to Bangalee-Muslims in the East Pakistan in 1971 was much more grievous than simple politics would dictate. Don't just jump on defense-mood on every criticism of religion. Criticism is needed to sort out prejudices in order to attain purification. That's why I called you a fuzzy believer, who is unable to see details.
Jiten Roy
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
MR: "For how long will you criticize all aspects of Muslims on this forum?"
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said
"Be merciful to those on the earth, so the one in the heavens will be merciful upon you" At Tabarani
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Mr. Rahman,
All discussions stemmed from your above posting. Why did you post such message if you did not want any discussion on your comments? This is a discussion forum.
Anyway, I liked rest of your reply; I am satisfied with your reasoning behind the "peace be upon him" prayer. It makes logical sense to me.
Thanks.
Jiten Roy
From: MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN <mustafiz84@hotmail.com>
To: Mukto-mona Mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
In reply to Mr Sukhamaya Bain's query:
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 17:29:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
When Muslims say PBUH when the name of Muhammad is pronounced, peace is sent back to them also by Allah. It is just as when a soldier salutes a general, the general also salutes him back. Now a soldier saluting a general is not important for the general, but when the general salutes the soldier, its is important for the soldier. He feels good. So when Allah pays back a Muslim for showing respect to HIS Prophet, its value is far more.
For how long will you criticize all aspects of Muslims on this forum?
Mustafizur Rahman
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 17:29:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
Logically such custom is redundant, because he is already at peace being the most favorite person of Allah. I believe this is what they were asked to do, and they just follow that without question.
Now, Prophet has mandated Muslims to be merciful, yet so much violence we see even in the Muslim majority countries, like Pakistan, Iraq, etc. Most of these violences are caused by orthodox religious people. Almost everyday in Iraq, you will see 50/60 people are dying due to sectarian clashes. Here is the irony - orthodox Muslims may forget to be merciful, but they never forget to pray for Prophet's peace.
Jiten Roy
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
I have been thinking about a question for a while. While I have been quite vocal about injustices and atrocities that are being committed in the world by Muslims, using, misusing and abusing their religion, I generally do not criticize the specifics of the religion. As I wrote quite a few times, the religions do not have to be perfect, and we cannot go back in time to change any of the so-called revelations or words of wisdom. What I advocate is for people to use their own common sense to follow what is worth following, and discard what is stupid and hateful.
Now the question to the serious Muslims. Why PBUH (Peace Be Upon Him) after Mohammad, the prophet of Islam? He is supposed to be the most favorite human that God (Allah in Arabic) almighty has created, according to Islam. Of all humans, he is supposed to have the most peace already. He certainly does not need any human's wish. Why do humans wish him peace? Saluting him, calling him great, etc., I can understand from a believer's perspective. But wishing him peace does not make sense at all. Any logical answer to this simple question that I am asking with absolutely no malice?
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: Mohammad Rahman <mrahman246@yahoo.com>
To: Karim Chowdhury <karim718@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
To: Karim Chowdhury <karim718@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Mercy is an important trait of Muslims
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