Your Hindu brothers call the Hindutvabadis Hindutvabadis
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to disagree with you. Some of them surely do but I have seen many trying to justify them. Few months ago member Roy called them "Nationalists".
To be fair, I was referring to how we are seen in west Bengal. Frequently they call us "Mohammedans" (Which was coined by orientalists). Also politely asks us, dada apni ki Bangali naki Muslim?
It is still difficult to rent a home for minority population in India.
The point is that, there are blind supporters in every group.
Hefajat had probably the biggest rally in many years. What would you call them?
>>>>>>>>>> A waste of time. These ordinary Madrassa teachers got involved into topics they do not understand. The First rally was for just cause (To protest against insult to our Rasul-PBUH) but the second one was not necessary.
In fact most people are still unclear. There are a lot of rumor going around. So I prefer to wait to bit longer until I have more information. Specially the Qur'an burning incident. Why would someone burn the holiest book of Islam when they were willing to walk from Comilla to Dhaka to simply protest against "Insult". Some speculate that, outsiders were involved to spoil a peaceful movement and some people say the opposite.
I am sure truth will come out soon.
They love our tv dramas.
>>>>>>>>>> As I said most Indians are not bad people but they are brainwashed. How will they "Love" our TV dramas? We are not even allowed to air our TV channels inside India. We have been trying to get permission for 20 years but never gotten approved!!
I feel once more Indians visit Bangladesh, they will get a better idea of our country. This is the best way!
Shalom!
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I feel both are wrong about Bengali Muslims. As most Muslims from Bangladesh are NOT fanatics and historically always rejected fanatical people.
We are not enough "Bengali" to Indians and "Not enough Muslims" to our Pakistani brothers!!
Albeit I find comfort when I see that, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did ask Muslims to be of the "Middle path". There is a famous Hadith about it.
I am not sure why Sri Lanka should have any animosity with India.
>>>>>>>>> Because India has a bad habit of poking it's nose deeply into business of other countries. Just like the Nepal example you shared here. It literally forced the Nepalese government to change it's stance!!
Who in the right mind will like such a holes? My Nepalese friend certainly did not.
Shalom!
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Re: [mukto-mona] Relationship between Bangladesh and India must be based on mutual respect [HASINA SELLING BANGLADESH. STOP HER!]
Has any of the Pakistani governments said sorry for what Pakistan did to the Bengalis in 1971?
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah PPP (Pakistan People's party) had a chance to do that but they did not want to hurt their political ambition. Thankfully Pakistani people rejected that disfunctional party and elected a new one.
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I am not talking about Muslim or Hindu brothers. I am talking about the rulers. I think Pakistani attitude has been changing in a positive direction. Has any of the Pakistani governments said sorry for what Pakistan did to the Bengalis in 1971?
Your Hindu brothers call the Hindutvabadis Hindutvabadis. There is nothing wrong in that. Your Muslim brothers also call Islamists Islamists. Hefajat had probably the biggest rally in many years. What would you call them? What are Jamat -Shibir and other islamic organizations? What would you call some one who aspires for sharia law and sharia banking and silent about the Islamization of the constitution?
Many Indian Bengalis have huge respect for Bengali culture and arts and literature. They speak highly of the way we celebrate our Ekush, poyla Boishakh, etc. They love our tv dramas.
We need free cultural exchanges both at govt a nd grassroots levels which were not possible during Pakistani time.
Some political parties also want to follow the same Pakistani line.
I think since 1971 and a little bit before India has topped the list of the countries which have respect for Bangladesh and Bengalis. Many see this high respect as a conspiracy.
I don't think Pakistan has much respect for Bangladesh which is manned with "half Muslims' and the Hindus most of whom are "Indian agents"
>>>>>>>>> Still our Hindu brothers describe us as "Islamist" to the world in every political situation.
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I don't think Pakistan has much respect for Bangladesh which is manned with "half Muslims' and the Hindus most of whom are "Indian agents". It has not taken back the Biharis who have been long suffering in the Geneva camps, and also did not give Bangladesh her proper share of assets. ISI has been active in Bangladesh to fulfill various Pakistani agenda including embarrassing her neighbor politically.
China? I don't think it's "good terms" is motivated by any thing other than business interests and anti-Indianism.
Good relations between Bangladesh and India based on mutual trust is good for both the countries. India needs cooperation from Bangladesh as she is plagued with rebels in north-eastern states. I think politically that is the prime Indian consideration. As we look back we see that BNP acts as a villain.
Indian economic interests? No doubt about it. Our government should act and negotiate more judiciously. It should be objective and must not be influenced by phobia, hatred, or any special interests (of the profit seeking businesses).
In Bangladesh I was involved in export. At that time some thing (probably political) was going on between India and Nepal. To teach a good lesson, India did not let Nepal, a land locked country, to use Kolkata port for importation. I think with changes in Nepalese internal politics, that restriction is no more. This big brotherly attitude is obviously wrong.
I am not sure why Sri Lanka should have any animosity with India. Rajib Gandhi helped Sri Lanka eliminate the Pravakaran group which headed Indian origin Tamils to separate a piece of land for the Tamils. And we know he had to pay the price.
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Pakistan was brought as an analogy to show the "best example" of your inter country mutual respect BS. The BS does not exist unless both countries are equally civilized and wealthy. The same goes with Greece vs Germany. If Germans ever get stronger than France, expect the same treatment. That is the nature of the beast. I am not sure what planet you are from? "That is why India has to spend most of it's budget for defense." >>>>>>>> Mutual respect works for all relationships. As I said, a stable prosperous Bangladesh is in the best interest of India. Similarly if we have good relations with India, it is good for us. We source a lot of products, raw materials from India. So it is good for both countries. Kindly drop your favorite "Pakistan" from this discussion. I was speaking about China. This is NOT about Pakistan, it is about Bangaldesh. You are either a bully or bullied country.>>>>>>>>> That is why India has to spend most of it's budget for defense. Such dysfunctional policy cannot bring anything good to any people. NOT even Indian people! If Germany and France can work as partners (Germans attacked France plenty of times) to advance their countries, why can't India work as a "Partner" with Bangladesh. As I said, India has disfunctional relationship with ALL regional countries. So no one wins except defense contractors in western counties. Shalom!
Indians are not naive and they know exactly what neighborhood they have been living for last sixty years. They do not want to be squeezed from the North, West and East. I do not blame them. Gandhian philosophy has no place in this do eating dog world. Good day!-SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
As Dr. Roy has already stated, it is the national interests that determine the so called "mutual respect" BS
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As Dr. Roy has already stated, it is the national interests that determine the so called "mutual respect" BS. Groups, countries are not much different from individual traits. If you know you can dominate your neighbor, you do it explicitly or implicitly. Pakistan's all weather friend China is the perfect example. Pakistanis visit Beijing with a beggar's bowl and you can easily guess what exactly happens within the four walls of Beijing palaces. The world is pretty much messed up since countries evolved. You are either a bully or bullied country. The only exception is the Scandinavian countries. But they too get bullied by Russians and AmericansOnly remedy is to stop blaming Indians for our problems. We need to grow up. We created our countries and we need to make to work assuming India as a foreign non friendly country. The same goes with Burma. Yes, life is tough.If Bangladesh or Pakistan were stronger, they would be playing exactly the same role.-SD <
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