I don't understand how you claiming to be leaning to AL ideology
>>>>>>>> I don't recall to "Claim" towards any political party. Maybe you have not paying attention to what I said in last two months. :-)
BAL should follow the laws of the land and give a fair election AFTER they finish their first term. I am focused on our "Political process" and "Democracy". As long we have vibrant democracy, we'll be just fine in the long run.
Shalom!
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As I said earlier, I never thought Ershad (Based on my observation) ever wanted to "Serve Islam".
They are politicians and they have their right to express their theories and it is you and I who would decide what to accept and what to reject.
"Rajai raji juddho hoi, ulokhagorer pran jai.........
Shalom!
As you have seen last 10 years this was NOT an issue. These issues becomes an "ISSUE" around election times. Co-incidence? I am afraid it is not!!
Shalom!
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ধর্মবিদ্বেষী ৮৪ ব্লগারের নথি জমা - স্বরাষ্ট্র মন্ত্রণালয়ে
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2013, 2:48 PM
I am NOT an atheist. However this became a "Hot topic" in Bangladesh and often unable to define the "proper" role of our country dealing with concerns raised.
Personally I have NO problem with atheist people. There are many peaceful people among atheists.
However if some "Practice" atheist by CONSISTENTLY cursing, slander, libeling religion, religious people, founders of religion and Creator of universe. Then we are likely to have some issues with it. Until recently so called "Religious people" never had any issues with atheism or many atheist people. I read works of late Azor Ali Mattubor as well. I never felt any anger about questions raised by late Mattubor Shaheb.
Therefore, do realize there are NO issues with "Freedom of speech" or "Freedom of expression" in Bangladesh.
However we have serious issues with "Hate speech", slander, libel. There are existing laws (NOT sharia law but laws based on English common law) against slander and libel. There are laws against "Contempt of court" as well.
For our long term prosperity we MUST become a country who respect and uphold laws of our land.
I have not been to most blogs but I have been part of Mukto-mona for many months. I have seen many many objectionable posts which did not ask any serious questions or raised any concerns. Rather certain members made a habit of saying something false against religious figures and religion itself.
I find such approach "Less than civilized".
While I do NOT endorse any actions taken by religious parties of Bangladesh but I certainly see how important issues like crime against humanity, padma bridge, Share market etc is moving out of our conversations. These are vital issues for our country.
All responsible people of Bangladesh should do their level best to protect freedom of association, freedom of speech and free markets in our country. However we should not waste our times to protect some foul mouth idiots. If someone's action caused violence in our lands, our existing laws can take care of them. We just need to implement them. No need to wait till Hefazat-e-Islam to tell you what to do.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion ONLY.
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Re: [mukto-mona] ধর্মবিদ্বেষী ৮৪ ব্লগারের নথি জমা - স্বরাষ্ট্র মন্ত্রণালয়ে
Looks like to you trial of the war criminals is not an issue at all.
>>>>>>>>> SURELY it is an issue. But there is NO dispute (Except from Jamaat) about it among major stakeholders. BNP and Hefazat-e-Islam made clear statements in favor of persecution of crime against humanity.
-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> None of them are scholars of Islam. So they can have their theory. It is YOUR choice to buy it or reject it. Civil war situation has been created by Jamat-BNP. . >>>>>>>>> Like all politicians these two parties are eager to go to power. There is only ONE issue, which is caretaker government issue. I hope leaders sit down to sort it out and leave common people alone.
"There is only ONE issue, which is caretaker government issue."---QR
Looks like to you trial of the war criminals is not an issue at all. You are forgetting how the present crisis started: Shahbagi protest against light punishment for heavy crime. The crisis got more intensified with death penalty of Sayyidi. I don't understand how you claiming to be leaning to AL ideology can be blind to heinous campaign initiated by Jamat and subsequently joined by BNP. I am intrigued.
----Om Shanti, Om Shanti
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
Khaleda Zia and Ershad also believe in the "atheist" theory.
-----Original Message----- From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 12:13 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ধর্মবিদ্বেষী ৮৪ ব্লগারের নথি জমা - স্বরাষ্ট্র মন্ত্রণালয়ে On Apr 5, 2013, at 7:58 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
The case is pretty simple. War criminals are being tried and death or life term verdicts are given. Those who are for death verdicts are all "atheists" and hence "murtads". Khaleda Zia and Ershad also believe in the "atheist" theory. Khaleda has to believe it as she is against trial of war criminals. Civil war situation has been created by Jamat-BNP. ., Shahbagis, joint cultural front have now a great responsibility. Let us see how they handle it. Sent from my iPhone
I hear quite frequently now - death to all Nastiks, and wonder why these religious groups are suddenly making such a demand.
-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:40 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ধর্মবিদ্বেষী ৮৪ ব্লগারের নথি জমা - স্বরাষ্ট্র মন্ত্রণালয়ে
I hear quite frequently now - death to all Nastiks, and wonder why these religious groups are suddenly making such a demand. These bloggers have been blogging for years. Why it is now. Then, I realized - Khaleda Zia deserve credit for bring the Nastik issue in the limelight. She used it to defame Sahbag movement, and she has been successful in bringing non-Jamati Islamists on the street now. These groups would have been bystanders otherwise. It is all good news for Khaleda Zia, if not for Bangladesh.
Jiten Roy
Member Mahfuz,
-----Original Message----- From: mahfuzur <mahfuzur@aol.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 4:40 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ধর্মবিদ্বেষী ৮৪ ব্লগারের নথি জমা - স্বরাষ্ট্র মন্ত্রণালয়ে
It is difficult to begin commenting on postings like this. But it is not difficult to see what kind of people are behind it. These people congratulate a rabidly pro-Jammat paper like Amar Desh and congratulate themselves for having "exposed" the "atheist" bloggers of Gonojagoron Moncho. The level of their intellect is reflected in the comments you see in the link to the Amar Desh news item given here. The commentators cannot even spell the word "bastard" when the wish to use that term for someone they dislike. They can't even spell, in our dear Bangla, words like "nastik"(atheist) or "fansi", meaning hanging. And someone among them calls Sheikh Hasina "murtad." I don't think the person knows the meaning of the word. To call someone as religious as Sheikh Hasina murtad is itself considered a grave offence in Islam. And this person is supposed to be speaking on behalf of Islam.
Now to the news item that Bari posted. The outbursts of some of the bloggers quoted, if correct, speak of immature intellect. One does not have to stoop to indecency to make a point. Even atheist - perhaps particularly atheists -- should be able write well to earn credence. Some of the famous atheists are great writers. Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens come to mind. Most of the atheist blogger young men probably have not read them. They should. There is nothing wrong in being an atheist. It is wrong to be a sloppy or an indecent one.
Freedom of expression is, on the other hand, the foundation of a free society. It is also enshrined in our constitution. Freedom compromised is freedom destroyed. The recent chorus for curtailment of the activities of the bloggers is thus totally unacceptable. Opinion should be confronted, if one wants, by dissent, not by threats of imprisonment or hanging. The present stance of the government to placate Islamists by bringing the bloggers to book should have no place in a free society.
But then why should the Islamists like the Hefazat-e-Islam want secular legal action against the atheist bloggers? At the end of the news item we see them praying to Allah for the guidance or destruction of the errant bloggers. These believers in divine justice should wait for that justice to come and leave the matter there. Or do they not have enough faith in Allah that divine justice will be done?
Mahfuzur Rahman
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