"I admire your coolness in your deliberations; I am trying to learn from you."- Dr. Roy, his lack of coolness has gone unnoticed by you though imbecility has not. He even believes thyat Emarat Hossain Pannah is a former Muktijoddha.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
QR, your views will say everything about you. The problem is - your views are complex, which often contradicts everything you say. For example, you said: "I cannot defend Taleban or Hefazot or any other activists. As I am not connected to them. Therefore, it is hard to speak on their behalf."
What the heck this statement is supposed to mean. Nobody is asking you to speak for Hefazote or Taliban; you speak for yourself, and when you cannot do that - it says something. We can read between the lines.
As I said before, I agree with you – about personal verbal attacks. All of us should try to avoid it. I admire your coolness in your deliberations; I am trying to learn from you.
Also, as I said before, most people, contributing regularly to this forum, are either irreligious or indifferent of their parental religions. Not many Muslims can do that openly, even though there are thousands of them in this forum. That's probably the reason why we don't hear from them quite often. It is hard to be a freethinker when you are faithfully married to a religion. Then, there are others who come to this forum with intent to push politics and/or religion. So, we get to know a mixed bag of people here. I, really, do not think you will find too many communal people here. Criticism of a religion is not a communal act unless it is intended to inflict harm on a community or people. No religion is perfect. In fact, most of them are faulty. If you avoid criticism of other religions only to avoid criticism of your own, that act won't be a freethinker's act.
You are welcome to opine on anything in this forum.
Jiten Roy
--- On Tue, 5/7/13, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:32 AM
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Just look at what Hefazoti Islamists have done in Bangladesh. Even Quran and Hadith were not spared from these peaceful religious activists. They have surely 'changed' the peaceful outlook of Islam that you preach all day, isn't it? Still, you have trouble to denounce them.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can go back one year and look at every post I wrote. You will NOT find me "Endorsing" violent people. I can say this with certainty because I do not endorse violence. It is true last month Hefazat workers were very peaceful. Some members were pressing me to make a comment. Since I did not know much about them, I did not endorse them.
Sadly, this lead to those "Highly educated" members to ASSume that, I am supporting them.
I said it before and I'll repeat it again. I can explain about Islam to best of my ability (Since most members lack knowledge about it). I cannot defend Taleban or Hefazot or any other activists. As I am not connected to them. Therefore, it is hard to speak on their behalf.
Another member ( I think it was Bain) "ordered" me to clean up Bangladesh from Islamists type of people. not touching the filthy personal attacks.
Are these RATIONAL comments?
It has been a repeated theme here in Mukto-mona. Some atheists and non-Muslim members feel free to verbally abuse people (Personally) and attack Islam but expects ALL Muslims to respond to them "Perfectly". A very unrealistic and childish attitude.
I have denounced the violent book burning. Maybe you have not read it. But that does not stop these "Gentlemen" from acting irrationally. It is just a "Bangladeshi" Muslim after all.
I have seen many Muslims leaving this very forum who were quite fair in their approach. Last one was a freedom fighter!!
I thought I made it abundantly clear that, I do not support violent extremists of any religion (Including mine). You gotta read my posts a little more carefully to keep up with it my man!!
Take it easy.
Shalom!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira
--- On Mon, 5/6/13, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 6, 2013, 5:20 AM
Did the Bamiyan Buddha statues tango with the Islamic fanatics in Afghanistan?
>>>>>>>>>> Guess you are trying VERY hard to "Justify" your hate for Muslims. The political situation is the culprit behind Bamiyan incident.
IF this was done for Islam, these statues would have been gone at least 1000 years ago!!
You sound like "Rush Limbaugh" than an intelligent Bangladeshi. You are not from Idaho, you are from Bangladesh.
In fact, even Taliban's did not destroy it for almost 10 years. When they felt threatened by western powers, they just played a childish game by destroying these statues.
Religious extremism from your religion has destabilized the entire world, Mr. QR. Even Muslim majority countries are victims of such religious extremism. You still don't see it. You have a philosophy of hearing no evil, seeing no evil; therefore, there is no evil.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly READ my posts BEFORE you make such inaccurate statements member Roy!!
If you are ignorant about Christian puritan movement, Jewish extremists or want to cover up Hindu RSS murderers, it is YOUR problem. I have NEVER wanted to defend Muslim criminals and always support punishing criminals of all religions.
Telling truth requires some work and dedication, it seems you take the "Easy way" and simple make stuffs up about people. WHY?
If you are unable to understand a simple fact that, ALL religions have fanatics among them, you really need some healing. First of all just read Mukto-mona posts. Randomly take 10 posts about religion. You will see who spread more hate.
You inability to understand FACTS should not cause you to go down for "Personal attacks".
The childish allegations cannot even be proven. Simple Islam surely is part of "All religions".
If you some better topics to discuss, kindly proceed.
Shalom!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 3:27 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira
QR: "There are religious extremists among all religious groups."
Religious extremism from your religion has destabilized the entire world, Mr. QR. Even Muslim majority countries are victims of such religious extremism. You still don't see it. You have a philosophy of hearing no evil, seeing no evil; therefore, there is no evil.Also, the fact is – whatever religious extremism exists in other religions is mostly to counter the avalanche of religious extremism from Islam. This is the fact whether you see it or not.Jiten Roy
--- On Sun, 5/5/13, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013, 11:20 AM
Did the Bamiyan Buddha statues tango with the Islamic fanatics in Afghanistan?I think people who are mostly rational need to be clear on the extents of uncivilized behavior in the world by various religious groups. No one or no group is perfect. But no rational person should compare a lesser barbarity with a severe one in order to try to bring the incorrigible barbarians to the world of civilization. For that has proven to be ineffective.Of course, the pseudo-sensible among the hate-mongers compare lesser barbarities that are committed by other groups with the severe ones that are committed by their own kind in order to try to deceive the world. The world's failure to see the deception and to act against hatred has been making the world horribly hostile for too many innocent people.Sukhamaya Bain================================
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira
In spite of having the same nutrient, the growth of mentality of any Islamist is shaped by creeds originating in desert or otherwise infertile lands. That makes a whole lot of difference. An average theist is an idiot, because he has no freedom to think, hence no analytic ability. The fool does not know, it does not always take two to Tango. If a person is Quixotic in nature, he can fight a duel against a wind mill, or even fall in love with Dulcinea, without any response from the other end, and convince Sancho to receive whipping on the butts..On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:Let me give you a brotherly advice, QR. (You are actually my brother, even when I think you are an idiot. After all, both of us and our forefathers got their nutrients from the silts of the same Padma, Meghna and Jamuna.) Please get lost from the free-thinkers' forum. (Come back when you begin to think freely.) Following is my reason for giving this advice.Before you make a general statement like "There are religious extremists among all religious groups", have you heard of anything like the following two, for example, among any other religious group than the Muslims?1) A Buddhist young man has a Facebook posting that disrespects the Koran. What happens next? Muslim criminals burn 50 houses and 12 temples belonging to the Buddhist community in one night; and more barbaric atrocities by Muslims on the innocent Buddhists and Hindus follow.2) An 11 years old Christian girl is accused of burning a page of the Koran. What happens next? The whole Christian community of that area are driven out of their homes my Muslim criminals.Please spare us the nonsense of "oh, the criminals were not following Islam properly" until you expel those criminals from your Muslim clan. (If you expel people who do not follow Islam properly, as per your dishonest way of defending your clan, you would not be able to boast that your religion had umpteen million followers.)===========================
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira
Takes TWO to tango. There are religious extremists among all religious groups.
Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 4:58 am Subject: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by IndiraLet us do some serious intellectual discussions on this subject.The creation of Pakistan was a disaster for the non-Muslims (and their descendants) of the land that became that country in 1947. However, it was good for the land that became India in 1947. In fact, on an overall equation, the descendants of the non-Muslims of the pre-1947 India probably have done better by keeping most of the Islamic hate-mongers at the two ends, as opposed to everywhere. Many people give Nehru the credit for that. But I would not call that too foresighted. Without removing the excessive religiosity and hatred among the Muslims, the subcontinent cannot be peaceful in the long run. After all, the borders are porous enough for people like Bachhu Razakar to flee Bangladesh, go through India and then take shelter in Pakistan. Even with their minority status now, the Muslim hate-mongers are already creating a lot of discontent in many places in India today.The bottom line is that segregation of hateful minds is not a long-term solution, removing hatred is.
Sukhamaya Bain
======================================From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re:We want Dr. Muhammad Yunus as next President of Bangladesh
The quote is somewhat dramatized but it is not too far away from the ground reality. Minorities will be forced to leave the country as they have already done in Pakistan. The choice would be to submit to the will of Islam or cross the border. With Hepazoti blessing, Bangladesh will try the Pakistani path to take people for another ride for the last time. I bet some of the Awamis would not mind to join the gang if that serves their interests. Is Member Das wrong? I am not so sure.-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
-----Original Message----- From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 6:18 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re:We want Dr. Muhammad Yunus as next President of Bangladesh
When Raja Gopalacharya was informed on the 16th of Dec. 1971 of the conquest of Dacca by the allied forces, his reaction was, "Her father Nehru created one Pakistan, she created two" He was right. People like Sumon Ahmed prove the validity of comment by Raja Gopalacharya.
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