QR, your views will say everything about you. The problem is - your views are complex, which often contradicts everything you say. For example, you said: "I cannot defend Taleban or Hefazot or any other activists. As I am not connected to them. Therefore, it is hard to speak on their behalf." What the heck this statement is supposed to mean. Nobody is asking you to speak for Hefazote or Taliban; you speak for yourself, and when you cannot do that - it says something. We can read between the lines. As I said before, I agree with you – about personal verbal attacks. All of us should try to avoid it. I admire your coolness in your deliberations; I am trying to learn from you.
Also, as I said before, most people, contributing regularly to this forum, are either irreligious or indifferent of their parental religions. Not many Muslims can do that openly, even though there are thousands of them in this forum. That's probably the reason why we don't hear from them quite often. It is hard to be a freethinker when you are faithfully married to a religion. Then, there are others who come to this forum with intent to push politics and/or religion. So, we get to know a mixed bag of people here. I, really, do not think you will find too many communal people here. Criticism of a religion is not a communal act unless it is intended to inflict harm on a community or people. No religion is perfect. In fact, most of them are faulty. If you avoid criticism of other religions only to avoid criticism of your own, that act won't be a freethinker's act.
You are welcome to opine on anything in this forum. Jiten Roy --- On Tue, 5/7/13, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote: From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:32 AM
Just look at what Hefazoti Islamists have done in Bangladesh. Even Quran and Hadith were not spared from these peaceful religious activists. They have surely 'changed' the peaceful outlook of Islam that you preach all day, isn't it? Still, you have trouble to denounce them. >>>>>>>>>>> You can go back one year and look at every post I wrote. You will NOT find me "Endorsing" violent people. I can say this with certainty because I do not endorse violence. It is true last month Hefazat workers were very peaceful. Some members were pressing me to make a comment. Since I did not know much about them, I did not endorse them. Sadly, this lead to those "Highly educated" members to ASSume that, I am supporting them. I said it before and I'll repeat it again. I can explain about Islam to best of my ability (Since most members lack knowledge about it). I cannot defend Taleban or Hefazot or any other activists. As I am not connected to them. Therefore, it is hard to speak on their behalf. Another member ( I think it was Bain) "ordered" me to clean up Bangladesh from Islamists type of people. not touching the filthy personal attacks. Are these RATIONAL comments? It has been a repeated theme here in Mukto-mona. Some atheists and non-Muslim members feel free to verbally abuse people (Personally) and attack Islam but expects ALL Muslims to respond to them "Perfectly". A very unrealistic and childish attitude. I have denounced the violent book burning. Maybe you have not read it. But that does not stop these "Gentlemen" from acting irrationally. It is just a "Bangladeshi" Muslim after all. I have seen many Muslims leaving this very forum who were quite fair in their approach. Last one was a freedom fighter!! I thought I made it abundantly clear that, I do not support violent extremists of any religion (Including mine). You gotta read my posts a little more carefully to keep up with it my man!! Take it easy. Shalom! -----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 6:44 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira My friend, you have passively defended the religious extremists in your religion by the following statement – all religions have religious extremists. Yes, there exists sparse religious extremists in other religions too, mostly confined locally. They are not launching worldwide networks. Therefore, that does not justify you to support worldwide religious extremism from your religion that claims to be a peaceful religion. I need straight talk from you. As I said before, you have Ostrich-psychology, which is - buries your head under the sand during a sand storm in the desert, and think everything is just fine. I am talking about recent worldwide mayhems, caused by religious extremists. Did I miss the recent worldwide mayhem caused by RSS? Please educate me with some of that information. Rush Limbaugh is an icon in the talk radio. He is a natural straight talker, like me. That's why I sound like him. I like his phrase – "Sometimes ignorant people can make a change, and when they do, it isn't good." Just look at what Hefazoti Islamists have done in Bangladesh. Even Quran and Hadith were not spared from these peaceful religious activists. They have surely 'changed' the peaceful outlook of Islam that you preach all day, isn't it? Still, you have trouble to denounce them. I can bet the following three things – 1) those 'ignorant' followers of Islam did not even realize they were burning the Quran and the Hadith, 2) there will be no violent mass protest against burning Quran and Hadith, this time around, and 3) they will deny the whole thing about burning Quran and Hadith. Jiten Roy --- On Mon, 5/6/13, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote: From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 6, 2013, 5:20 AM Did the Bamiyan Buddha statues tango with the Islamic fanatics in Afghanistan? >>>>>>>>>> Guess you are trying VERY hard to "Justify" your hate for Muslims. The political situation is the culprit behind Bamiyan incident. IF this was done for Islam, these statues would have been gone at least 1000 years ago!! You sound like "Rush Limbaugh" than an intelligent Bangladeshi. You are not from Idaho, you are from Bangladesh. In fact, even Taliban's did not destroy it for almost 10 years. When they felt threatened by western powers, they just played a childish game by destroying these statues. Religious extremism from your religion has destabilized the entire world, Mr. QR. Even Muslim majority countries are victims of such religious extremism. You still don't see it. You have a philosophy of hearing no evil, seeing no evil; therefore, there is no evil. >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly READ my posts BEFORE you make such inaccurate statements member Roy!! If you are ignorant about Christian puritan movement, Jewish extremists or want to cover up Hindu RSS murderers, it is YOUR problem. I have NEVER wanted to defend Muslim criminals and always support punishing criminals of all religions. Telling truth requires some work and dedication, it seems you take the "Easy way" and simple make stuffs up about people. WHY? If you are unable to understand a simple fact that, ALL religions have fanatics among them, you really need some healing. First of all just read Mukto-mona posts. Randomly take 10 posts about religion. You will see who spread more hate. You inability to understand FACTS should not cause you to go down for "Personal attacks". The childish allegations cannot even be proven. Simple Islam surely is part of "All religions". If you some better topics to discuss, kindly proceed. Shalom! -----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy < jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 3:27 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira QR: "There are religious extremists among all religious groups." Religious extremism from your religion has destabilized the entire world, Mr. QR. Even Muslim majority countries are victims of such religious extremism. You still don't see it. You have a philosophy of hearing no evil, seeing no evil; therefore, there is no evil. Also, the fact is – whatever religious extremism exists in other religions is mostly to counter the avalanche of religious extremism from Islam. This is the fact whether you see it or not. Jiten Roy --- On Sun, 5/5/13, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] One Pakistan by Nehru, Two Pakistans by Indira To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013, 11:20 AM Did the Bamiyan Buddha statues tango with the Islamic fanatics in Afghanistan? I think people who are mostly rational need to be clear on the extents of uncivilized behavior in the world by various religious groups. No one or no group is perfect. But no rational person should compare a lesser barbarity with a severe one in order to try to bring the incorrigible barbarians to the world of civilization. For that has proven to be ineffective. Of course, the pseudo-sensible among the hate-mongers compare lesser barbarities that are committed by other groups with the severe ones that are committed by their own kind in order to try to deceive the world. The world's failure to see the deception and to act against hatred has been making the world horribly hostile for too many innocent people. Sukhamaya Bain ================================ In spite of having the same nutrient, the growth of mentality of any Islamist is shaped by creeds originating in desert or otherwise infertile lands. That makes a whole lot of difference. An average theist is an idiot, because he has no freedom to think, hence no analytic ability. The fool does not know, it does not always take two to Tango. If a person is Quixotic in nature, he can fight a duel against a wind mill, or even fall in love with Dulcinea, without any response from the other end, and convince Sancho to receive whipping on the butts..
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