Interestingly the name of Hitler's party was National Socialist Party.
>>>>>>>> I reject Hitler as well.
AL was basically a party of the aspiring Bengali capitalists.
>>>>>>>> I am from Bangladesh. I do not need introduction about BAL. However adding socialism was allowed by BAL and it was a BIG mistake.
Abandoned industries were nationalized only because there were no experienced entrepreneurs to buy them and then run efficiently.
>>>>>>>>> I am aware of quite a few industries which were owned by Bengalis and still were nationalized. WHY do you talk about topics you do NOT understand? Why is this consistent insistence to promote ignorance?
I am saying all this from my memory.
>>>>>>> Sorry to inform you that, your memory is not as good as the old days. I would humbly request you to learn before you lecture. It is OK not to know everything. It is typical "Bangu mindset" to lecture on everything. If this is not your field, kindly learn first before you preach.
Mujib was invited to be the chief guest in the conference of the Bangladesh Students' Union. Mujahidul Islam Selim (now of Bangladesh Communist Party) asked Mujib if it was a proper step to take over the abandoned industries and bring under govt. control.
>>>>>>>> I am NOT talking about "Abandoned" industries. I am talking about running industries owned by Bangladeshi people. All Jute and textile mills were nationalized without any compensation to the owners. ONLY thugs can rationalize such act. Even worse was how much common people have to pay every year since then to keep looters and thugs chip away our industries. All most all of those mills failed under our government and stayed as "Looters heaven" till their last days.
The bottom line is that the "Socialism" does not bother America as America knows what it really meant to Bangladeshi rulers
>>>>>>>>> 
I'll just have to thank you for the laugh and PLEASE keep your day job. This ain't your area (Which is obvious).
Similarly Islamic fundamentalism does not bother it. It has other considerations and priorities to determine which party it needs to back.
>>>>>>>>> The term "Islamic fundamentalism" ONLY bothers those who do not know anything about Islam.
May peace be unto you.
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Does it matter if Hindus suffer?
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Do you really think America will "Help" us to restore "SOCIALISM" in Bangladesh???
I said it before and I'll say it again, socialism/communism is the biggest threat against dignity and freedom of a common man/woman. I am not as educated as many members but even I know I cannot expect AMERICA to help us restore socialism in Bangladesh. Neither do I want to socialist agendas being implemented in Bangladesh. It has FAILED all over the world and our limited experiment with socialist ideals (nationalizing many industries cost our nation hundreds of million dollars subsidies to the taxpayers) turned our clock back for at least 10-20 years.
Yeah, we are capable of expecting (Champion of capitalism) to restore socialism in Bangladesh. Yeah, this is gonna keep me entertained for a very long time.
Thank you for that.
Shalom!!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 9:21 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Does it matter if Hindus suffer?
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A "Banglastan" is a fanatic dream of a class of mindless hoons and a illusion of a bunch of cowards who find resort to imaginary foreign powers.
I was in our liberation war with many comrades who sacrificed there lives with heroism and determination, who had clear love for the motherland and pure faith in patriotism. From that experience I can guarantee that Bangladesh will never turn to such thing.
The tremendous support of India to our liberation war and the iron will of Indira Gandhi will remain imprinted in the history in golden letters. India is a politically matured country, the largest democracy of the world. Its military has been always loyal to Democracy.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Does it matter if Hindus suffer?
You have just picked one of the four principles although you (and America as well) should know that Mujib and others were not socialists in the sense the leaders of the communist and socialists countries were or are.
><>>>>>>>>>>> I have problem with socialism part ONLY. So I addressed it and will always reject such idiotic idea which will turn the clock back for Bangladesh and will turn it into "Land of ignorant thugs".
You have just picked one of the four principles although you (and America as well) should know that Mujib and others were not socialists in the sense the leaders of the communist and socialists countries were or are. Even in America some agenda of the Democrats are called socialist agenda as some of the programs are intended to reach out to the broader masses. "Socialism" is a good tool or excuse to attack the economic liberals. One interesting thing is that it was fashionable to add adjective "Islamic" to "Socialism" to make it palatable to the Islamists or even common Muslims. Interestingly the name of Hitler's party was National Socialist Party.
AL was basically a party of the aspiring Bengali capitalists. Abandoned industries were nationalized only because there were no experienced entrepreneurs to buy them and then run efficiently. As a temporary measure Tajuddin put a ceiling on the salaries of the govt. and semi-govt. employees which really angered the bureaucrats. During AL regime ceiling on how much a private business could invest in a business continued to be increased. I am saying all this from my memory.
Mujib was invited to be the chief guest in the conference of the Bangladesh Students' Union. Mujahidul Islam Selim (now of Bangladesh Communist Party) asked Mujib if it was a proper step to take over the abandoned industries and bring under govt. control.
The bottom line is that the "Socialism" does not bother America as America knows what it really meant to Bangladeshi rulers. Similarly Islamic fundamentalism does not bother it. It has other considerations and priorities to determine which party it needs to back.
America even being the champion of human liberation in many respects has failed to respect our aspirations reflected in our 1972 constitution. Greed for money and power are the culprits.
>>>>>>>>> I would respectfully request you to re-visit your "Expectations of America".
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Whether India will attack or not attack Bangladesh in a few decades is not the question of the day. We have a more urgent question now. Looks like centered around the politics in Bangladesh an old wound is gradually resurfacing after 43 years of liberation of Bangladesh. The latest news tells us that Russia is finally supporting Hasina and criticizing Khaleda and thereby making Indo-Russian axis stronger. We also see very active Sino-American axis in the scene. Expulsion of Indian diplomat by America and Indian retaliation by expelling American diplomat all seem to be connected. Indian election will have big impact. Not only existence of a secular and democratic Bangladesh is at stake, India is also at a great risk of being disintegrated. If Sino-American axis can have the upper hand, India will be in trouble no doubt.
We can only rely on the political wisdom of the leaders of both the countries and wait. America even being the champion of human liberation in many respects has failed to respect our aspirations reflected in our 1972 constitution. Greed for money and power are the culprits.
Let me put my few cents into this discussion. The hypothetical scenario that Dr. Roy envisioning for Bangladesh is not an absurd idea. The way things are moving, it might a reality within few decades time. Ethic minorities will be totally eradicated because of population growth and religious pressure. However, I do not believe India will invade Banglastan unless people start crossing border for terrorist acts. Now if displaced Hindus and Bhudhists start fighting for their lost land, why that would be a bad idea? And, if Indians want to aid them in their struggle, why that would be illegitimate act? It is disturbing to see that certain Bangladeshi progressives are OK with ethnic cleansing, but would hate to see people striking back to their oppressors. It is like you can beat your brother everyday but once he calls police, you invoke your sovereignty crap? Why not be little consistent?
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:02 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Mushrafi thinks – people of Bangladesh will not let Bangladesh to be Banglastan. Tell me - what type of country Bangladesh will be - when religious minorities are all forced out of the country, like Pakistan did? Do you think – Bangladesh will remain secular with 99% Muslim population?
Now, let's think about the reality, at hand; what has happened over the last 43 years of Bangladesh. Those who opposed the independence have ruled the country most of the time. They have installed religion-based politics firmly again. The secular nationalist ideals (Bangali-Jatiotabad) that motivated millions of people in 1971 are about to be instinct in Bangladesh. I do not think your confidence and nationalist pride is enough to save Bangladesh from its ruin. You need more than talks; you need to act to establish secularism. You are not ready yet, I can tell.
As you know - Bangladesh was not created for a particular religious sect; Pakistan was. We, the secular Bangalis, did not like Pakistan. So, we created Bangladesh to live in a secular environment. What happened now? That's my question to Mr. Mushrafi.
Also, India got involved in our fight because of their own national interest, not because they love us. And, that interest gets threatened, when all religious minorities, and secular people, are driven out of Bangladesh. Religious minorities from Bangladesh have been a huge burden in India already. There were 17% religious minorities in 1971, which is today 8%. Where did they go – India, isn't it? Now, once again religious minorities are flocking towards the border. At some point, this refugee pressure will be the stray that will break the camel's back, as it did in 1971.
You said – people of Bangladesh will resist any Indian aggression. If that is true, why did you welcome them in 1971? The situation will be exactly the same again, when secular Muslims in Bangladesh will beg India again to save them, as they did in 1971; I was talking about that scenario.
I think, it was a close call this time. If Sheihk Hashina failed in her efforts, Awami League supporters, secular intellectuals, and religious minorities would have flocked to the border again by now. After that - we all would have begged India to help us.
The thought of India ruling this unruly land, called Bangladesh, is utter nonsense. There is nothing to be gained from that venture, except to take the responsibility of feeding forever growing 160 million people, majority of who are religious fanatic, who will destabilize India even further. I don't think Indians are that stupid.
Thank you.
On Friday, January 10, 2014 6:52 PM, Mohammad Mushrafi <mushrafi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Those who dream of a illusive land "Banglastan" in the geography of current Bangladesh they probably have not seen what lessons Pakistanis learnt in East Pakistan in 1971. These illusive people probably have no idea of Isha khan's same gallant land.
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