Daily Online Alochona: Nov 16, 2008

Sunday, November 16, 2008

Re: [mukto-mona] Omar KhayyÃ¡m - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Sent Using Google Toolbar

Mr. Chakraborty

Please read the quotation of Khayyaam I cited.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:22 PM, <"subimal chakrabarty"> wrote:

It would be too shallow to quote Omar Khyyam simply to give an instructive message to a believer. Omar Khyyam's rubais have much more deeper meaning that is thought provoking for both believers and nonbelievers. Many believers (examples, Kazi Nazrul Islam, Dr. Shahidullah, Gholam Mostafa (?)) have translated Khyyam. Syed Mujtaba Ali who edited Nazrul's translation has also some of his own. Kanti Ghosh has well known translation of two rubais:

"nogod ja pao hat pete nao, bakir khatay shunyo thak

durer badyo lav ki shune majh khane je bejay phank"

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"prothom matite gora hoye gechhe shesh manusher kay

shesh nobanno hobe je dhanye taro beej acjhhe tay."

The above two have been quoted from memory. I have Fitzerald. I think Audrey is referring to this translation. This is superb. I am controlling my temptation to quote some. The above two quotes from Kanti Ghosh (I hope I am right) fully reflect Khyyam's wonderings about human existence and its boundedness, and his destiny. Therefore, value this short life. Wine, Saki, etc. are peripheral.

"Alike for those who for To-day prepare,

And those that after a To-morrow stare,

A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries

'Fools! your Reward is neither Here nor There!'"

-SC

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From: Kamal Das@yahoo.com <Kamal Das@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Omar Khayyám - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Sent Using Google Toolbar
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:14 AM

I picked up these verses for their contents. I hope the believers with blind faith would learn something from them.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:54 AM, <"Audrey Manning"> wrote:

Ah Omar Khayyám!

This brought back memories of when I could recite all 75 verses of the Rubaiyat from memory.

Thanks,

Audrey

On 5-Nov-08, at 1:28 AM, Kamal Das wrote:

Omar Khayyám - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/

The Koran! well, come put me to the test—

Lovely old book in hideous error drest—

Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,

The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,

A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,

God gave the secret, and denied it me?—

Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.

"Heed not the Sunna, nor the law divine;
If to the poor his portion you assign,
And never injure one, nor yet abuse,
I guarantee you heaven, and now some wine!

Slaves of vain wisdom and philosophy,
Who toil at Being and Nonentity,
Parching your brains till they are like dry grapes,
Be wise in time, and drink grapejuice like me!

You, who in carnal lusts your time employ,
Wearing your precious spirit with annoy,
Know that these things you set your heart upon
Sooner or later must the soul destroy!

Never in this false world on friends rely,
(I give this counsel confidentially) ;
Put up with pain, and seek no antidote;
Endure your grief, and ask no sympathy!

You know all secrets of this earthly sphere,
Why then remain a prey to empty fear?
You can not bend things to your will, but yet
Cheer up for the few moments you are here!"

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[ALOCHONA] Re: Rice is the Worst Enemy of Mankind - By Bashir Mahmud Ellias

Re: Maqsud Omar,

You are a very good Bengali. Ayub Khan blamed Bengalis for not choosing Urdu as the only national language of Pakistan and called us "Crooked Bengalis" in his book "Dairies of Field Marshall Mohammad Ayub Khan: 1966-72". Jinnah and many other Pakistani leaders advised us on so many things for 24 years: why Urdu is better and should be only state language, how to live as second class citizens, how to forget about rights and believe only in Muslim brotherhood, how not to complain about discrimination, how to interpret election result correctly if it favors the Bengalis etc. Some un-educated, uncivilized politicians in East Pakistan, led by AL morons (AL thugs sounded better in your previous posting)......opposed those advices....and look what we got......independent Bangladesh. How can a proud Bengali tolerate that?

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> I hope someday, someone will be funded...to explore more...about all the scientific facts...
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> Sadly, when President Ayub...advised Bengali citizens...to reduce dependency on rice,.....many years ago,
> some un-educated, uncivilized politicians in East Pakistan, led by AL morons.....opposed
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> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Rice is the Worst Enemy of Mankind - By Bashir Mahmud Ellias
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Re: [ALOCHONA] A million Dollar Question- Should CTG trust and rely on Hasina?

To wouldbemahathirofbd@yahoo.com

You should trust jamat & khaleda .

Habib

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mahathir of bd <wouldbemahathirofbd@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] A million Dollar Question- Should CTG trust and rely on Hasina?
To: letters@newagebd.com, letters@thedailystar.net
Cc: alochona@yahoogroups.com, chottala@yahoogroups.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com, notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com, sonarbangladesh@yahoogroups.com, "Amra Bangladesi" <amra-bangladesi@yahoogroups.com>, reform-bd@yahoogroups.com, tritiomatra@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 6:46 AM

From newspaper report and observation of activities of CTG and BAL, it seems that CTG and BAL has some agreement that CTG will help AL to come to power and Al will legalize all illegal work of CTG(legal work does not need legalization)

But should the CTG believe hasina? Will she forgive those who put her in jail?

Those who knows hasina will agree that hasina is a vindictive person. She can not forgive ,though she said she forgiven the reformist but not forgotten.

But from the news of withholding of nomination of reformist Nur, Manna, Sayed,mansur, it is clear that hasina neither forgiven nor forgotten.

So my question is : will hasina forget that this CTG people put her in jail ?

Will she forgive them?

এরশাদ কে আবার বাংলাদেশের প্রেসিডেন্ট হিসাবে আপনার সহ্য হবে ?

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[ALOCHONA] Bangla Banan Riti Shongskar Prostab and International Language

Dear Brothers & Sisters,

Greetings from the heart of Bangladesh.

Sufficient alphabet of 'Bangla Bornomala' is a great asset of 'Bangla Bhasha'. 'Banan Riti' has been corrected by the scholars many times but still there is a lot of problems which may by solved easily.

Few proposals including few poems as an example regarding the 'Bangla Bornomala' and International Language are attached herewith. It is also mentionable that now, I am following this 'Banan Riti'.

Mentionable that I have already sent the proposal to the Bangla Academy, editors, literature editors of news papers, renowned poets, writers, cultural activists, scholars, eminent citizens etc. I am going to be sent the proposals to the Government, ministry of education, national education board, bangla department of Dhaka University.

You will be highly appreciated if please joint with the movement.

Sorry for your inconvenience, whose mother tongues other than Bangla.

Thanks & Regards,

Mosharraf Khokon

Poet, Organizer

Secretary General, WPM

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[mukto-mona] Bangladesh is not quite out of woods from Islamists' attack!

Bangladesh is not quite out of the woods from Islamists' attack!

A.H. Jaffor Ullah

http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=28

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Re: [mukto-mona] Obamar aloke bangladesher Shonkhyaloghu Prottyasha {Bangla]

The question as to why we have not seen anybody from the religious minority (Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Chakma, etc.) communities in Bangladesh to hold the highest ranking position (President/Prime Minister) in the government?

The saddest thing is minorities are barred from holding not only the highest ranking position of the government but also any top ranking sensitive positions in the Secretariat, Foreign Services, Defense, etc. The question is, how could any society justify such a open discrimination?

Yet, whenever minorities approach government officials with their issues, government officials, as usual, shun them by saying that there are no minorities in Bangladesh, and everyone is Bangladeshi. Instead of paying attention to the question of disparity, the Government officials often accuse them of dividing the country into majority and minority. So, problems of minorities forever remain perpetuated.

What I see is that no one is interested to address the question of disparity towards minorities in Bangladesh. So, I wonder, can this country prosper by not tapping into a talented pool of human resources constituted by country's minority communities? Does anybody really care about the prospect of this country?

Sometimes I think, the country is perhaps suffering from a huge psychological disorder/curse, known as narrow-mindedness, that she has inherited from the Pakistani era. Is there anyone who can lift it? Am I alone having this assertion?

Jiten Roy

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Sona Barua@yahoo.com <Sona Barua@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sona Barua@yahoo.com <Sona Barua@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Obamar aloke bangladesher Shonkhyaloghu Prottyasha {Bangla]
To: "mukto mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 7:59 AM

fyi
http://mukto- mona.com/ banga_blog/ ?p=175

thanks

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RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

We need to come together.

People makes mistake and it's our responsibility to give opportunity to include all for the better future of Bangladesh. Pitting one against another to control the power is not new in our history. Education, job and security will pave the way for getting along.

Hate only brings hate in return.

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 7:15 AM

re: cyrus

some of my friends, from leftist party...did not support quick independence , with the help of India and under the inefficient leadership of AL.
should we hang them?
dont you know..some of these leftists? They are more intelligent, wise, brilliant, patriot than AL+BNP looters.

In the past years, majority of them have contributed to the community, much more than AL + BNP thugs.

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: thoughtocrat@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:21:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

Dr. Omar:

I think you are mixing up two issues here. One is Jamaat's past, it's well-known opposition to our independence and sovereignty, and its destructive and extremist activities that is contrary to the secular constitution that we hold true. It is about Jamaat's unrepentance, and the justice that was never delivered on behalf of the people. The other issues is AL, BNP, JP, et. al. who have bankrupted this country through corruption, misdeeds, violence, and failed policies. The two issues are not the same.

Sir, it is also careless to say that people who advocate against Jamaat are "either naive/paid agents/or simply stupid". I personally take offense in your comment, as I write frequently against Jamaat....as well as against AL, BNP, JP and their moral bankruptcy. I suggest that you read the past postings of those who speak against Jamaat, and I am sure you would find that most of them also speak against the maladies of our current political atmosphere.

No one has ever suggested that if one is a proud and pious muslim, one is automatically a fanatic or jamaat supporter. On the same note, no one has tried to create "smoke screens" for AL, BNP, JP et. al. It is a discourse, whether you like it or not, and we all are entitled to our opinions as well as our political convictions.

I am always skeptical about self-proclaimed "contributors" to Bangladeshi community, both in BD and abroad. But I am glad that you find solace in your work for the community, and I am sure the community appreciates it too. But, it is rather naive and narcissistic to assume that you are the only who contributes to the betterment of the community, and those who write here against Jamaat do not. As far as I can tell, you have no knowledge of the background of frequent writers here, including Ms. Farida Majid, and I doubt that you have examined whether these people have made any positive contribution to our community everywhere. Lastly, your comment about "paid agent" is irresponsible and has the ring of "McCarthyism", and in our context those labels show lack of judgment on your part.

I look forward to your continued contribution to this forum.

Sincerely,

Cyrus

From: maqsud omaba <maqsudo@hotmail.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 2:22:41 AM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

ATTN. Farida Majid
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You and few other " elite intellectuals " often write about jamaat....their wrong philosophy, aggressive manners, cruel activities, etc.

have you ever asked yourself, how much damage Jamaat has done...to Bangladesh; and how much damage AL + BNP + ershad + beauracrats
+ politicians have caused since Jan, 1972??

The answer will be simple, clear and shattering.

People like you , who are always yelling about Jamaat's destructive activities, are either naive / paid agents/ or simple stupid.
It is time for you to wake up and write more constructive items on Bdeshi issues.

Blaming Jamaat for all the Bdeshi mess will not be useful. sending few more corrupt officials + politicians to prison may be more therapeutic and helpful.

I am a proud muslim, not a fanatic, not a Jamaat supporter. But i dont enjoy creating " smoke screen" on behalf of crooked + corrupt
AL + BNP politicians.

It is time to reassess your style and contribute more to the Bdeshi community... . I do.

khoda hafez.

dr. maqsud omar

To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
From: farida_majid@ hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:40:09 -0400
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Will Bangladesh Jamaat's killing spree be muffled for the election?

Blame it all on RAW/MOSAD. Do we have instances of Indian BJP/Sangh Parivar engaged in mass killing of Hindus? Do the Zionists habitually engage in murdering the Jew?

How about our Jamaati Islami berathari toward fellow Muslims of Bangla land? Please read the followin note frm Ahsan Abbas of Pakistan:

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:16 AM, ahsan abbas < > wrote:

I can show you many many pics of Hindus burning the holy Quran. Can any one PLEASE show me a single picture of Hindus burning their own book ?

I can show you thousands of pics of Israrils oppression against Muslims. Can any body PLEASE send me a single picture of Jews killing the Jews ?

I can give you hundreds of examples of Americans, oppresing the Muslims. Can any body PLEASE show me a single example of Americans killing the Americans in name of Christianity ?

If you cannot, please come to me I will show something:

Muslims are beheading Muslims in the name of Islam.

Muslims are attacking the Mosques for the sake of Allah.

Muslims are burning the schools to spread Islam.

Muslims are doing suicidal attacks on hospitals to serve the humanity.

Muslims are kidnapping school children to enforce the shariah.

Oh No what you are saying ??? They cant be regarded as Muslims.They are beasts.

DO NOT SAY THIS OTHERWISE YOU TOO WILL BE REGARDED AS INFIDEL(KAFIR) . These people
are "Mujahideen- e-Islam" and doing all this "to defeat the America"

Subhan Allah..... You see what a great logic it is.

It is due to this marvelous logic, the Muslims are being beaten all over the world.

These brave, sincere and true Mujahideen did a self proclaimed 9/11, successfully managed an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq and now striving to do the same with Atomic Pakistan.

Could we still not decide who is the worse? Zionists, racist Hindus or our Mjahideen ?

Love

Ahsan

From: m_musa92870@ yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:53:36 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in Bangladesh

If a morally bankrupt person calls me intellectually bankrupt, I take it as complement. Thank you. Why don't you provide us some facts (including dates) and reasoning what MOSAD did in Bangladesh since you have case against them? As far as deviating from the subject, I can accuse you of the same. You could not provide any justifications for the lies and broken promises of those pseudo-Islamic parties to EC during their previous visits. Sorry I cannot call somebody Islamic for hypocrisy. If they are like all the other non-religious political parties, why do they use Islam in pursuing their worldly goals? Why do they deceive us with their outward religious appearances? I wanted to say lying is very little sin compared to what these religious frauds are capable of doing without any hesitation. Sorry that of type of accusation hurts you personally. I was not aware of that.

--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 " <ahsan_mohammed2000@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
>
> I requested you to provide your analysis with facts and reasoning,
> however, you preferred to express your one-eyed views only. Many
> quarters might be involved in influencing Bangladesh politics. We
> should discuss their roles and interests objectively instead of being
> supportive to any specific one. Why are you trying to portray some
> people as supporters of some agencies? I am a Bangladeshi (and you
> are too, I suppose) and we should uphold the interest of the nation,
> not of other countries. You mentioned about CIA, what about others
> (e.g. RAW, MOSAD)? What do you think about them?
>
> Constantly deviating from the point of discussion to another specific
> one is a kind of intellectual bankruptcy. It reminds me of a famous
> joke. A clever boy sat in exam. He memorised an essay on cows but
> the question paper asked him to write an essay on a river. He
> started. "There was a river. A cow was gazing on its bank. A cow
> has two eyes ... "
>
> How logical is it to make indecent remarks on someone on the ground
> that people of the same party did something which was not decent? An
> Awami League leader celebrated rape century in Jahangirnagar
> University. Should it be reflected while EC makes remark on Sheikh
> Hasina?
>
> Regarding some Islamic parties position on registration in EC, you
> know that it is not new in our politics to change their demands at
> different stages of negotiations. Will you kindly mention what was
> AL's position
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ahsan Mohammed
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> >
> > My problem was your exclusion of ISI, the worst of the foreign
> > intelligence services in our area. To me that was not honesty.
> That
> > doesn't mean that I excluded the others. Especially how can I
> exclude
> > CIA who was involved in killing Bangabandhu and other top national
> > leaders and installing army backed nationalist force in
> Bangladesh? How
> > can I ignore CIA's direct and indirect contribution in return and
> > revival of war criminals in Bangladesh?
> >
> > If supporting lying and hypocrisy of people from Al Badr background
> are
> > part of your socio-cultural background, that I have noting to say.
> And
> > of course, you also can consider what these so-called pseudo-Islamic
> > leaders did in 1971 as very decent, but to me they are just
> savages.
> > You live with your views and I have nothing to say.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Mohammad Musa Sarkar.
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 "
> > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> > >
> > > I do not understand how you deduced that I read only right-wing
> > > Bangladeshi newspapers? I have not quoted from any newspaper or
> > > mentioned any piece of news. I have presented my own analysis of
> > > some facts. If you have any difference of opinion about any
> specific
> > > point, please mention it. I also do not understand why you are
> > > defending RAW, MOSAD and CIA. Other intelligence agencies might
> also
> > > be interested in BD politics. If you have any analysis about it,
> > > please mention it with reasons. If you think that RAW, MOSAD and
> CIA
> > > has no interest in BD politics, please also provide your logic
> behind
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Decency and indecency varies from person to person and has
> relation
> > > with the socio-cultural background of someone. If you think that
> > > CEC's remarks on some Islamic parties were decent, then it is your
> > > view and I have nothing to say.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
> > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > > >
> > > > May be you are only reading the right-wing Bangladeshi
> newpapers.
> > > If
> > > > you read the other papers, you will find more conspiracies. You
> > > will
> > > > find many who consider this current CTG as Jamaat's B team. This
> > > CTG
> > > > has been extraordinarily soft on Jamaat and other religious
> > > fanatics and
> > > > extremists. Look at the joke and circus regarding Al Badr co-
> chief
> > > > Mujahid's arrest. While people like you always smell RAW, MOSSAD
> > > and
> > > > CIA conspiracies, there are lot more people who smell CIA, ISI
> and
> > > > Wahabi conspiracies. It goes both ways.
> > > >
> > > > Your article in Naya Diganta presents only right-wing view
> points
> > > and it
> > > > cannot be accepted as fair and balanced piece. ISI is one of the
> > > top
> > > > players in Indian subcontinent. They are behind many subversive
> > > acts.
> > > > They created Talibans and hence aided Al Qaeda. To leave them
> out
> > > from
> > > > your equation strongly suggest, you are pushing right-wing
> agenda.
> > > You
> > > > mentioned in your article that since BNP's leadership is trying
> to
> > > > negotiate with CTG, they didn't protest CEC's very indecent
> > > > comments on the pseudo-Islamic partners of BNP. May be you can
> > > teach us
> > > > what kind of decent words the CEC should have used for their
> > > outright
> > > > lies. Let me make another very indecent and rude comment about
> > > these
> > > > mullahs - these mullahs actively and enthusiastically
> participated
> > > in
> > > > all sorts of heinous war crimes in 1971. Regards-
> > > >
> > > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000 "
> > > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Alochok Ezajur,
> > > > >
> > > > > It is good to know that there are enlightened and powerful
> elites
> > > who
> > > > > welcome conspiracies against their motherland apparently
> because,
> > > > >
> > > > > â€œYou canâ€™t ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > You canâ€™t ensure there wonâ€™t be any rioting or
> > deaths at
> > > > the election.
> > > > > You canâ€™t ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > You canâ€™t ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > You canâ€™t ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > spotted.
> > > > > You canâ€™t ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > politicians.
> > > > > You canâ€™t ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > > > rousing.
> > > > > You canâ€™t ensure that MPs wonâ€™t financially benefit
> > from
> > > > crooked
> > > > > manpower agents.â€�
> > > > >
> > > > > Can Indians ensure the above-mentioned checklist? If they are
> > > happy
> > > > > with their spoiled democracy, then why arenâ€™t we?
> > > > >
> > > > > How logical is it to welcome military rule or foreign
> intervention
> > > > > because democracy has not yet got sufficient time to
> flourish? Who
> > > > > ruled the country most of the time after its independence,
> > > democratic
> > > > > forces or military rulers with or without uniform?
> > > > >
> > > > > The notion that Americans and others can buy anything they
> want
> > > seems
> > > > > to be an oversimplified assumption. If it were true, then the
> > > world
> > > > > would not have so many wars and troubles. Moreover, sometimes
> > > buying
> > > > > things might involve very high value. The more we welcome
> > > > > conspiracies, the more we become ready to sell ourselves (not
> > > > > personal, saying in general).
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Ezajur Rahman"
> ezajur.rahman@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Alcohok Ahsan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is indeed very well written. But I am not remotely
> bothered
> > > by
> > > > > > conspiracies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In fact I welcome them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure there won't be any rioting or deaths at the
> > > > > election.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
> will
> > > be
> > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> politicians.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > > rousing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure that MPs won't financially benefit from
> crooked
> > > > > > manpower agents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can't ensure jack****.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But let's talk about how to stop foreign conspiracies! Woah!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bhai -
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It takes 3 ISI agents only to manage Pakistan's interests
> > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It takes 2 RAW agents only to manage India's interests in
> > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And it is just a wet dream that the Americans, Brits,
> Chinese
> > > etc
> > > > > are
> > > > > > working hard to subvert the elections.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why should they even bother? They can buy anything they
> want...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The common masses cannot do anything until the common
> masses can
> > > > > > successfully demand real change in our politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh is the perpetuation of
> > > family
> > > > > > politics by mid level AL and BNP supporters who just love to
> > > pretend
> > > > > > they are very flexible, agenda free, reasonable people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any conspiracy that undermines the election of Hasina and
> > > Khaleda
> > > > > and
> > > > > > undermines the baboons of the AL and BNP central committees
> is
> > > > > welcome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me know where I can make a donation...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can't build a boat to carry 200 people safely in 2008
> but we
> > > sure
> > > > > > kicked the 5th Fleet back to the USA back in 1971 didn't we!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing personal Ahsan - your piece was excellently
> written. I'm
> > > > > just
> > > > > > ranting...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kuwait
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Ahsan Mohammad vai
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very well written analysis. Though there is no way of
> knowing
> > > for
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > that such incidents will take place, but many indications
> are
> > > > > pointing
> > > > > > towards that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What can we, the common mass, do?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:27 AM, alochona@yahoogroup s.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For a Better Bangladesh
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:13 pm (PDT)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Members,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although the Chief Advisor and other members of the interim
> > > > > government
> > > > > > are trying to ensure through their speeches that the general
> > > > > election
> > > > > > will be held in December 2008 and power will be handed over
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > elected representatives of people, doubts and fears are
> > > spreading
> > > > > due to
> > > > > > some activities of the ruling quarter. I tried to analyse
> the
> > > > > possible
> > > > > > conspiracies and strategies of various players involved in
> > > > > influencing
> > > > > > Bangladesh politics in my article published in Daily Naya
> > > Diganta
> > > > > and is
> > > > > > available at the following link:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.dailynay adiganta. com/2008/ 10/13/fullnews. asp?
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> > > > > > <http://www.sonarban gladesh.com/ article.php? ID=336>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will highly appreciate if you kindly share your views on
> this
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: [Bangladesh-Zindabad] Diplomates pokes nose into Bangladesh plitics Salauddin Q C says"der ghonter boitoke tini (Pinak) netrir (Hasina) sasther ki khoj khobor niechen jonogon jante chai.

Thank you teacher of English. I am sorry I can't help but term a monkey a monkey otherwise will be doing injustice to the species that is reigning supreme in our political arena and claiming as the only "Chetona Dhari".My education is surely less than you Sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up your high educational standard and keep well and happy. With best wishes.

Faruque Alamgir

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> wrote:

Dear Mr. Alamgir
I dont usually comment on the merits of your posts since they are full of giberrish and incomprehensible language. But I would like to point out that this particular post your language is littered with such fundamental grammatical & spelling mistakes. I dont know or care how old you are but even a first grader should be able to write better than what you have written.

I am sure your beloved Hasi Apu (whoever she may be, just kidding! ) is will be able to stand your third class name-calling but I dont think the English Language will be able to survive any further grevious assaults.

So please be a dear and have mercy on us !

Robin Khundkar

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Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: [Bangladesh-Zindabad] Diplomates pokes nose into Bangladesh plitics Salauddin Q C says"der ghonter boitoke tini (Pinak) netrir (Hasina) sasther ki khoj khobor niechen jonogon jante chai.

Friends

What has happened to a proud and dignified nation BANGLADESH.

The way our criminal and thug politicians are making the glorious nation bow down to the stupid criminal so called DHIPLO MATS who by violating the GENEVA CONVENTION and interfering in our internal affair.

I feel pity when the so called erudite BAL Secretary Ashraf expresses satisfaction at the violation of the nations chastity by these culprits DHIPLO MATS. Does the BAL know that if they wish to make any comment on illegal billion Dollar acuired by Switzerland from stolen money of the thug policians of the 3rd world and deposited in SWISS Bank ?? Can he make any condition to the acts of US govt in the Guentenamo concentration camp or rendition ????? No not only he none in the 3rd world can do so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The people are appehensive about the conspitorial attitude of the mohan netri Hasi apu by observing her close door hobnob with another shameless stupid DHIPLO MAT Pinaikka CP. A pagol will also laugh at the coments of the stupid Pinaikkaaaaaaa that he talked for one and half hour IN CLOSE DOOR about the health matters of Hasia Apu !!!!!!! This is nothing but a comment of any clown in the Circus.

The detractors may make obnoxious observations as HASI APU DID IN THE PAST ABOUT OTHERS IN THE MOHAN SHANGSHAD

In my opinion the BAL and its allies Kutta Jibis are out to desroy the sanctity and entity and hand over the hard earned sovereignty of the nation to Hindustan. So, it can be summerized that they the BAL want to come to power in "Jeno teno Way" as usual either welcoming the great LUICHCHA CHORITROHIN ERSAIDDA or illegal military take over by gen Nasim or the illegal CTG ans whore like HUDA CEC.

The patritic people must be vigilant against the Hindustani concubines and put up strong will to keep up the hard earned SHADHINATA.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Md. Aminul Islam <aminul_islam_raj@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Salauddin Qader Choudhury said in a meeting that people of Bangladsh want to no what inquaries did MR Pinak do about Hsina when he was in a meeting with her for long one and half an hour.

very interesting comments please read and comment.

http://www.amardeshbd.com/dailynews/pdfgen/gen_amardesh.php?pages=pdfGen&NewsID=199761

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Re: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Election 2008

Dear Dr Momen,

I think you have deliberately missed two other elections: 1973 and 1996. Do you have any partisan affiliation that you deliberately avoided those two elections? I know your brother (Mr Abul Mal Abdul Muhit) will contest from the Awami League. But we do not aspect you to behave as a dishonest person due to your political affiliation.

The concept of vote rigging was first introduced in the 1973 election. Before that the DUCSU election was rigged. Ballot boxes were looted to defeat the Chatra Union Candidates. In 1973, specfically in two constituencies even ballots were transported from Dhaka by Helicopters. One was in Barisal where Major Jalil was contesting. The other one was the constituency of Mr Surunjit Sen Gupta from Sunamgonj. He was actually declared elected first then after manipulation, he lost the election to the Awami League Candidate. Hundreds of other consitituencies, election was rigged to defeat JSD and independent candidates.

The 1996 June election under Justice (retd) Habibur Rahman was not fair either. In 39 seats Awami League candidates were declared winner within a range of as low as 28 votes. You probably recall what latter happened to Mr Abu Hena the then Chief Election Commissioner who orchestrated the 1996 rigged election together with Mr Habibur Rahman.

Seems to me if any election is won by Awami League that is free fair and transparent. But all others rigged. May Allah give back your conscious! Stop preaching others with your dirty mindset.

Toronto

--- On Sat, 11/15/08, abdul momen <abdul_momen@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: abdul momen <abdul_momen@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Bangladesh Election 2008
To: "Abdullah Al Farooq" <abdalf@aol.com>
Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 10:09 PM

Bangladesh Election

Will Banning of Media and Cell Phone

Lead to Rigged Election?

Dr. Abdul Momen

The Bangladesh Election Commission (EC) the military-controlled care-taker government (CTG) have assured the nation that they plan to hold a 'free, fair, non-violent, transparent and credible election on December 18, 2008'. However, how will they achieve such goal is still raises doubts as the procedures set up so far is still non-transparent and questionable. They said, 'Don't worry about the process--- just trust us'. Unfortunately, such promise doesn't work more so in Bangladesh. In the history of Bangladesh, elections that were conducted by otherwise 'able civil and military bureaucrats and judges' in 1978, 1981, 1986, 1988 or February 15, 1996 and 2001 were mostly questionable and most of those elections were partly or wholly 'rigged or doctored'. For example, in 1978, one of the most able Home Secretaries, an erstwhile CSP, Salahuddin Ahmed Chowdury delivered Gen Ziaur Rahman an overwhelming 98% votes by manipulating the ballots. When foreign media started questioning such result, General was shaken. Therefore, in his next election, he told his top bureaucrats not to make the result 'unbelievable' . They followed his advice and he received 88% votes in his next election. The nation witnessed time and again similar election results delivered by our top bureaucrats. Each government assured the nation of a fair and transparent election but the end result was always 'questionable' . Therefore, they instituted through mass movement a unique system in the world known as CTG, presumably a non-partisan non-political interim government whose only function is to deliver a 'free, fair, non-violent, transparent and credible election'. Current Chief Election Commissioner and head of the CTG are both former CSPs like that of Salahuddin Ahmed and they are both non-political and non-partisan top notch bureaucrats. Let us hope that they would be different from their esteemed CSP colleague.
The officers of Bangladesh civil and military bureaucrats are the 'cream of the society' and they get all the privileges or cream of the government. Nevertheless their record of election delivery is very poor. None of them are wholly 'fair, non-violent, transparent and credible'. Is it because their system is evil designed and mindset is corrupt? In 2001 election a privileged group of bureaucrats both civil and military headed by a judge secretly decided to deliver election victory to a specific party and in order to achieve it, among many others, the EC recruited a highly partisan group of Returning Officers (ROs or DCs), Presiding Officers (PrOs), Polling Officers (POs), Assistant Polling Officers (APOs), Police Officers (DIGs, SPs, OCs), etc. They were instructed to give victory to a certain party as Secretary Salahuddin did in 1978 and they delivered. However, in some pockets where they failed to manipulate or/and where voters ignored their threats and exercised their free will, they were butchered and massacred. For example, minority voters in Barisal and Faridpur were murdered and their homes were ransacked. Their women were raped. What a price to pay for exercising voting franchise!!! Recently nearly 123 million people voted in the U. S. President-elect Barack Obama got 65 million (53%) and his rival Senator John McCain received 57 million (46%) votes. It is said to have record voting, nearly 62% (in Bangladesh voting exceeds over 75% to 90% depending on bureaucrats) . But none was butchered unlike Bangladesh. Not a single polling booth was taken over by goons or security forces, and no ballot stuffing occurred occupying the voting center unlike Bangladesh.
In Bangladesh election of 2001 in many areas, partisan group of security personnel went out and intimidated supporters of the party that they dislike. They arrested and paraded their leaders and in many cases, asked their supporters to pull down their campaign posters, flyers and also to close down their campaign offices. Being afraid, the party supporters and activists followed their orders. In addition, at times, both civil and military officials would take over certain polling centers for an hour or two and stuff ballot papers denying the actual voters to cast their votes. Such incidents could be reduced if there is full transparency. Unfortunately, the EC declared that 'no media can report vote counting or election results directly from the voting centers prior to their manipulation' and 'no cell phones, no private or public automobiles' will be allowed to operate on the Election Day. Third, political party activists are discouraged to transport voters to the polling booths. On the contrary, in USA, on Election Day, volunteers are especially encouraged to drive down voters to the polling booths and the media was free to report results on a continuing basis without soliciting approval of results from election officials. Therefore, critics argue that voting in USA is designed to solicit public opinion but voting in Bangladesh is designed to reinforce pre-determined goals.
Since Bangladesh infrastructure is primitive, road and river communication network is poor, even land phones are hardly reachable, in such environment, cell phones or mobiles are the best medium of communication. Secondly, since Bangladesh government officials generally suffer from a mindset of secrecy and dominance, and since many of them are highly corrupt, have poor ethical and moral values and easily get sold, denying media to broadcast the results or banning cell phones will surely open up scope for 'rigging election result'. If there is any 'takeover or seizure of polling centers by goons or military, Para-military or other security forces', the public can report the incident right away through cell phones to superior authority for corrective actions or to the media and the election monitoring observers. Such facility can immensely help reduce the likelihood of 'takeovers' of polling centers, stuffing ballots and rigging the election. Unfortunately, the EC has banned its operation. The argument that they put up is very naïve and self defeating. They argue that the availability of Cell phone would assist the goons to coordinate takeover of polling centers and media reporting may not be accurate. They are partisan, not professional. The events of 2001 Election is still fresh in our minds. Bangladesh media reported the massacre of especially minority voters in Barisal and other districts. The government and its 'cream of the society' civil servants vehemently denied such looting and killing. It claimed that the media reports were false. Eventually as the international pressure mounted sanity prevailed and accepted the reality and the media was vindicated. In early 1990s when the U. S. Labor Dept was debating banning imports of garments and apparel from those countries that encourage or use child labor, the Bangladesh Foreign Secretary in a letter claimed that 'there is no child labor in Bangladesh'. No one believed him and in fact, it earned poor image for Bangladesh. Similar government denial was observed when media reported the terrorist executions of Bangla Bhai and Sheikh Abdur Rahman, the jehadi terrorists. Not only that, whenever government is replaced these bureaucrats play the piper and often falsely develop stories and cases accusing people's representatives.
The EC claims that if cell phones are allowed then goons can coordinate and take over polling centers. Who are those goons? No goon can sustain in Bangladesh without some support either from the Law Enforcing Authority or political power house. Arms combing operation by the CTG if done correctly prior to election, no private goon can sustain.
Thousands of highly well armed police, BDR, RAB, Para-military and smart military forces of Bangladesh are capable of maintaining law and order and they can also ensure safety and security of polling centers and ballots. It's notorious Rapid Armed Battalions (RABs) well known for extra-judicial killing is capable of discharging their responsibilities or rushing to the troubled centers quickly. In the last Mayor election in Barisal under the current administration, when a group of partisan RABs were found involved in seizure of polling centers and stuffing of ballots, as the Cell phones were not banned, general public reported the incidents right away to the media and as the media rushed to the spots, that group of partisan RABs hurriedly left the venue. Thus they failed to stuff the ballot boxes. If illegal seizure or capturing of polling centers is not guaranteed, stuffing of ballot boxes is easy and likely. In such case, voter list with photo ID or not is irrelevant because those who will seize a center they can stamp the ballots and stuff them at ease. Such will not guarantee 'credible election'. Therefore, cell phones and media must not be banned on the Election Day.
In 2001 election, when I reported to the local Military Chief about the incident that a group of partisan military personnel ransacked the election campaign offices of a candidate and intimidated his supporters plus put up nasty posters against a party leader, the Commanding Officer looked at his ledger and said ' military vehicles went out to that area'. However, he asked me to get the number plates of each vehicle and the badges of each personnel and officers. He stated, 'they must have impersonated military personnel'. Unfortunately, people of Bangladesh who are always afraid of military or police or anyone with killer weapons hardly record those numbers. In another incident, when a polling center was taken over by a group of goons, it take me over 20 minutes just to get hold of a workable land phone since neither automobile nor rickshaws were available. When I could finally speak to a military Captain, the young duty officer, he immediately dispatched the forces but by the time they reached the spot, the goons stuff sufficient ballots and left the venue. If cell phones would have been allowed, both reporting and dispatch could be efficient and quick. It is sad that a small group of partisan and greedy security officials and bureaucrats deprive the public of a fair, free and transparent election for their personal gain and in the process they bring disgrace and bad name to the entire police, Para-military and armed forces of the country.
Secondly, if cell phones are allowed, the media can report the ballot counts of each center right away across the country and thus possibility of manipulation or doctoring of results which is common in Bangladesh could be minimized. In the last elections, in many areas people voted freely but when the ROs (DCs) and PrOs sent the ballot counts, they manipulated the results. The major vehicle of 'rigging of election results' in Bangladesh are not political parties or their supporters as the government often claims but actually a small group of greedy and partisan civil and military bureaucrats that conduct the elections in utmost secrecy both at the local level as well in the Center. Without active connivance of bureaucracy both military and civil, it is nearly impossible to rig an election. Therefore, it should be made 'transparent' at every level. Secondly, transparent procedure must be correctly set, debated and publicly discussed to achieve goals.
Bangladesh earned poor image of being the 'number one corrupt country in the world' consecutively for 5 years. The military controlled caretaker government and its all powerful Anti-Corruption Commission (ACC) headed by a general tried to punish mostly political leaders selectively instead of aiming at rooting out corruption from the body politic and therefore, it did not work much. More importantly, neither people like Justice Abdul Aziz, the former Chief Election Commissioner nor his associates that defrauded the Voter List were punished for their 'unethical and immoral corruption'. Neither government officials that were responsible for rigging past elections were charge-shitted for their poor performance. Therefore, it is not unlikely that the current election officials may follow their past tradition of doctoring the elections without public awareness and transparency.
Under the circumstances how can we 'trust' the current the EC of a fair election? In quality control, 'trust me, my quality is number 1' is not enough. Instead, experts have set up verifiable, tested and transparent 'quality control mechanism and processes' to achieve quality products or services. Edward Deming and Jurand, the gurus of quality control therefore set up a complete process of TQM, total quality management. Their process worked well. Following their prescriptions, U. S. Secretary of Commerce, Malcolm Baldridge created a Baldridge Award of Excellence. It has 1,000 points and these points are divided into various critical areas of quality assurance. Any company that meets those criteria is awarded Baldridge awards each year. Here process is more important. Such improved process assist in guaranteeing 'quality product or service' provided it is fully enforced and implemented. Neither the Election Commission nor the CTG could set up a 'verifiable and transparent process of guaranteeing a free, fair, non-violent, transparent and credible election system yet in Bangladesh. Rather, their process is marred with secrecy, doubts and questionable set ups such as (1) non-withdrawal of state of emergency regulations, (2) banning of media reporting and (3) banning of cell phones. This is very sad indeed and such may deprive the nation of a 'free, fair, non-violent, transparent and credible election' in 2008. Therefore, if the EC and the CTG are sincere to hold a free, fair and credible election, they must withdraw their bans from cell phones, media coverage and emergency regulations.

· Professor of Economics and Management, Boston, USA November 8, 2008.

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