Dear Hanif Your condition your attack should only be based on the Qur'anic parameters, injunctions and within the boundry-line of the actual source of Islam. is just not understandable. All through history of Islamic rule (Damishq, Baghdad, Sultans of Turky and moghals of India, and elsewhere, had hundreds of concubines. Some of their heirs were also born out of those concunines although they later marrried them to give them legal status) Do you think that the Halwa eating scholars of those times (like our Maulana Modoodi, sorry but perhaps he did not get enough of it) were not aware of Quranic injuctions. Or were they paid handsome amounts to declare ownership and sex with concunines as legally permitted by Quran? There will be many more who will declare it legal even today, I assure you if paid handsomely. Please stick to the point and do not attach conditions to it to lengthen your argument. This is only one of the issues. There are many more which are not applicable TODAY.Our Mullahs have to change their attitude in consideration of 21st century conditions instead of adeearing to 7th century. My final verdict. Muslims all over the world have been controlled by the ILLITERATE MULLAHS. That is why we have subjugated by the West. They got rid of their Mullahs 3 centuries ago. It is time we do that now. Greetings of rehmat and salawat/ Dear Mr SU TurkmanI am astounded that a person of your intelligence talks like a mollah. I am not averse to hearing criticism on Islam but to attract my response your attack should only be based on the Qur'anic parameters, injunctions and within the boundry-line of the actual source of Islam. If you want to speculate on literature based on hearsay evidence then please refer to defenders of ahaDees. Should you have genuine issue relating to the teaching of the holy Qur'an then I am willing to join you and sincerely extend my hand to share and obtain a solution together on difficult issues. Otherwise, you and I are not on the same wave length. Alternatively please provide evidence of your postulation with Qur'anic source. I would be obliged to hear from you a logical and reasonable interaction. Regards HanifDate: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:53:44 -0700 From: turkman@sbcglobal.net As far as I understood, Allah in Qoraan says, you are supposed to enslave people of Defeated Nations, not only good looking Females and then He says, you can free Slaves after receiving Ransom or out of kindness of your Heart. Allah never said all Slaves should be freed because purpose of enslaving them would have been dead then and the first command would have been opposed by the 2 nd on this subject sounding illogical or stupid. According to HaDees, only Slaves who become Moslims are supposed to be freed and it was advised to collect Donations for freeing such Slaves if their Moslim Owner refused to free them. There is no other mention of any order to free Non Moslim Slaves in HaDees. Its false propaganda that Slavery was not allowed in Islam by some Mollaas because they know, hardly any Moslims believe in Slavery and Islam has now started sounding an Obsolete Religion because Slavery is permitted in Islam. Let me inform you other Islamic Shriyaa Laws about Slavery with Islamic Court Precedences in books of Shiryah ...! .. Islamic Shriyah Laws on Slavery: 1. A Male can have sex with his Female Slave without marrying her but a Female Slave Owner can not have sex with a Male Slave. 2. Father of a Slave Owner can have sex with his Son or Daughter's Female Slave (if she is not married) without his/her permission. 3. Husband of Female Slave Owner can have sex with his Wife's Slave without her permission because she is his or is a Slave of her Husband in practicality. 4. A Male Slave Owner's Brothers, Cousins and Uncles can have sex with his Female Slave if he permits them to have sex with her and similarly, also with his Wife's Female Slave. 5. In above Court Precedences included is case, when a Husband had not purchased or gifted the Female Slave for his Wife and she came with his Wife, when he had married her, from the Wife's rich Father's House. 6. A Husband can use his Wife's Female or and Male Slave that was gifted to her by her Family but can not sell them. Only she can sell them, if and when she wants and keep that Money. 7. No Female Slave Owner is allowed to gain anything material or non-material by letting his Father, Brothers, Cousins or Friends have sex with her because it would be same as Prostituting her out. 8. Coitus Interuptus (pulling Penis out of before ejaculating in a Slave's Body) is permissible in Islam because Women without Children fetched more money. 9. A Female Slave and or her Children can not inherit anything left by their Owner after he dies. . S U Turkman (with authentic Islamic Degree of ' Qazi Tol QzaaT') From: MOHAMMED HANIF <hanif_mo@hotmail.com> My learned friends would, no doubt, be able to provide more adequate and detailed response. I have attempted a quick response to brother, Ghulam Yusuf's enquiry and hope it be some help if not answering but adding some difficult questions. 1. I understand that slavery was permitted in Makkah society and elsewhere in the world at the time of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur'an has encouraged people to free slaves (including concubines) and take believing women in to wedlock. In Sura Muhammad (47:2-3), the Qur'an puts an end to concubine/ slavery. Prior to advent of Prophet-hood of honourable Muhammad, and revelation captives of wars were taken as slave and as a booty under the then practice had right to have sex with them was a norm. 2. The compiler of the 'most authentic book' after the Qur'an "Sahih al-Bukhari" lived 62 years and he never married, he had slave girl (s) at his disposal and according to narration contained in al-Bukhari's own compilation it was permitted to have sexual intercourse with salve/ concubines. In fact, Imam Ismael Bukhari was a sleeping partner in a slave trade from which he received monthly profit/ income of 500 dirham. Why traditional Muslims ferociously defend Imam Bukhari's collated version and teachings. It is understandable there is some incentive for them to lead a pious life and have play-boy animal sexual urges satisfied and at the same time remain in the fold of Islam. Imam Bukhari's exemplary life is self evident that he practiced what he preached. 3. I have a copy of Urdu Translation of the holy Qur'an that is given as a gift to Hujjaj by the Saudi Government, it states that although slavery is currently frowned upon but if time is conducive and Islamic Shariah is implemented, having sex with slave girls would be halal/ permitted, like having sex with one's wife/ wives. 4. Pakistan's biggest promoter of sexual perversion Sayed Maudoodi, the founder of Jam'at-e-Islami Pakistan, not only did he preached having sex with slaves was permitted but he went further and gave fatwa that slave can be sold as a commodity after 'use'. No wonder another grand Mullah (Maulana Sami'-ullah?) appeal to parliament during Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's reign that at least one slave should be permitted under the law. Hanif Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:14:28 -0700 From: ghulam_yusuf@yahoo.com Mr. Irfan and all friends Mr. Asghar has raised a point about concubines (Kaneez). Can you deny that in Islam it is permitted to have sex with as many concunines as you can afford. Please someone explain without side tracking the issue. Once it is settled one way or the other I will have my own question about dower (Haq Mehr). With Regards. You are more interested in seeing one with his pants down than on substantive and real issues. Are you a homosexual by any chance? Mohammad Asghar From: Faiz <tahirakhan@comcast.net> Asghar, you were caught with your pants down and you don't feel a thing! I don't think you can ever feel embarrassed. In Panjabi they say "sharm nahin te maujan hi maujan" (if you don't have shame, then do whatever you like). Irfan There is an adage that says that if you mix a drop of lemon juice with a barrel of milk, the milk becomes unfit for human consumption. Keeping this adage in mind, if we compare all the goodies you have mentioned with Allah's directive to Muhammad and his followers to have sex with their slave girls and concubines, without paying them their price (dowry), the Quran becomes an immoral book. In the light of the above fact, can any one say that it is a book of morality, if he or she has an iota of common sense in his or her head? <<< Let the retard expect my answer when I am back in two weeks.>>> As you know, people like Asghar cannot understand ANY verse of the Qur'an--Period. This is a challenge from the Qur'an which, if someone has doubts, can EASILY be verified by examining ANY of Asghar's posts. For example, just today he wrote: <<< The Quran is not even a book of morality. To quote the Jahil Pagans, it is a nonsensical and foolish book!>>> Imagine someone describing the Qur'an "The Quran is not even a book of morality". Obviously, he has not been able to see ANY of the following verses in the Qur'an: How blind can a person be when he can't see an elephant in the closet!!! The Glorious Qur'an says… 1. Be kind to all human beings irrespective of their religion, color, race, sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on [17/70] 2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70] 3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way [17/53, 2/83] 4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19] 5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious [22/30] 6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42] 7. Say with your mouth that what is in your heart [3/167] 8. Speak in a civilized manner in a language that is recognized by the society and is commonly used [4/5] 9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative [6/152] 10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18] 11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55] 12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, then pass by with dignity [25/72] 13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or overt [6/151]. 14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct yourself expeditiously [3/134]. 15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18] 16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18] 17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19] 18. Walk on the earth with humility and gentleness [25/63] 19. Lower you gaze; avoid lecherous leers and salacious stares [24/30-31, 40/19]. 20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your mouth shut. Spreading false rumors can have grave consequences [24/15-16] 21. Keep favorable view the accused until you attain sure knowledge about the matter. Consider others innocent until they are proven guilty with truthful evidence [24/12-13] 22. Ascertain the truth of any news, lest you smite someone in ignorance and afterwards repent of what you did [49/6] 23. Verify all information before making anything public; your eyes, ears, and faculty of reasoning will be questioned [17/36]. 24. Keep praying, "O My Sustainer! Advance me in knowledge." [20/114] 25. The believers are but a single brotherhood. Live like members of one family, brothers and sisters unto one another [49/10]. 26. Do not make ridicule others; they may be better than you [49/11] 27. Do not slander, vilify and calumniate others [49/11] 28. Repel evil with good [13/22, 28/54]; when angered, try to forgive and forget [42/37] 29. Avoid suspicion and guesswork; Do not spy on one another, nor speak ill of anyone behind their back [49/12] 30. Respond with the same greeting or better when you are greeted. This will create feeling of peace, good will, and mutual wellness [4/86] 31. When you enter your own home or someone else's home, greet the inmates and wish them peace [24/61] 32. Do not enter houses other than your own until you have sought permission; when permitted, offer blessings of peace and prosperity [24/27] 33. Take good care of your parents and your relatives, orphans, people in need, your friends and companions, your neighbors, travelers, and people under your care and custody [4/36] 34. Do not follow up what you have given to others to afflict them with reminders of your generosity [2/262]. 35. Do good for the sake of doing good; do not expect a return for your good deeds, not even thanks [76/9] 36. Help one another in doing good deeds; do not cooperate with those who spread evil [5/2] 37. Avoid all major sins and shameful deeds so you can be considered for Divine forgiveness [53/32] 38. Put your own house in order before you preach righteousness to others; fear God and practice what you preach [2/44, 66/6] 39. God is merciful to those who immediately repent and reform their conduct [6/54, 3/134] 40. God shows grace to those who are always willing to help irrespective of their own circumstances, and those who keep their anger in check [3/134] 41. Call people to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful exhortation. Reason with them most decently [16/125] 42. There is no compulsion in religion; the Right Path has been made distinct from the Wrong path 2/286; leave those alone who consider the Truth as mere vain amusement [6/70] 43. Sit not in the company of those who ridicule the Divine writ until they stop their mockery [4/140] 44. Do not be jealous of those who are blessed [4/54] 45. In your collective life, Always make rooms for others in assemblies and give due respect to all opinions [58/11] 46. Eat and drink (what is lawful) but do not be wasteful [7/31] 47. Do not squander your wealth senselessly [17/26] 48. Fulfill your promises and commitments [17/34] 49. Keep yourself clean and pure [9/108, 4/43, 5/6]. 50. Dress-up in agreeable attire but remember, the best dress is the right conduct and beautiful character from inside out [7/26] 51. Stand up for justice firmly. Remember, when it comes to doing justice, there are no parents nor relatives, nor are there any enemies to take revenge from [4/135, 5/8) 52. Do not devour the wealth and property of others unjustly, nor bribe the officials or the judges to deprive others of their possessions [2/188] 53. Remember God always; God remembers those who remember Him [2/152] (courtesy of br. Muhammad Latif Chaudhery) Dear Captain, If Asghar is a XTN, let him tell us if Judas Iscariot fell headlong or hanged himself. Hanged himself or fell headlong? Acts 1:18 Matthew 27:5 And he [Judas Iscariot] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. From: Faiz < tahirakhan@comcast.net> Subject: RE: The Prophet (S) does not have the Authority to Prohibit what God has kept Lawful To: "'Mohammad Asghar'" < msa7011@yahoo.com>, "'Syed Ali'" < sabahatca@hotmail.com>, qaseem39us@yahoo.com, "'BhaiSyed Hyderabadi'" < khaleq_hyd@yahoo.co.uk>, drshabbir@bellsouth.net, "'Humayun here'" < humayunhere@yahoo.com>, sufiyan1970@gmail.com, "'Mubashir Inayet'" < minayet@yahoo.com> Cc: m.ahmad@wanadoo.fr, wyeknotusa@aol.com, iokoutlook@gmail.com, kaisrani@gmail.com, "'Kavalec'" < kavalec@gmail.com>, ghulam_yusuf@yahoo.com, khshaikh1999@gmail.com, "'Mohammad Shafi Aga'" < mdshafiaga@gmail.com>, mustafameb@yahoo.com, msnoorani@hotmail.com, moula_87@yahoo.com, dryahyakazi@hotmail.com, "'aaqib98 Faiz'" < aaqib98@yahoo.com>, maanwer1@gmail.com, hanif_mo@hotmail.com, doctorforu123@yahoo.com, khmahmood@se.com.sa, "'Sajid Husain'" < sajid@shusain.com>, bhai.syed2010@gmail.com, "'Syed Sadruddin Hussain'" < sydsadr@hotmail.com>, rizasiddiqi@hotmail.com, "'Latif.M. Chaudhery'" < latif.m.chaudhery@gmail.com>, turkman@sbcglobal.net, butshikana@gmail.com, sikanderkk@hotmail.com, "'American Muslims Group'" < americanmuslimbrotherhood@yahoogroups.com>, "'IslamofAllah Group G'" < islamofallah@googlegroups.com>, "'FolknFriends Group'" < folksandfriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, September 18, 2011, 5:38 PM Again trying to understand the Word of Allah? This time 6:137? I told you a thousand times---YOU CAN'T ANY verse of the Qur'an—not 6:137, not ANY OTHER verse!!! Your brain cells are doomed! Looks like this doom is now looming large on anything else you write as well. I can see that you have stopped making sense in your "non-Qur'an" posts as well. I am not sure how that is happening though….but I am sure Allah knows what He is doing…. "They used to bury their daughters alive/killed 16:58-59 and 81:8-9)." The Pagans also used to slaughter their boys (see 6:137- the word "children" includes both boys and girls) and Allah played the role of a silent spectator! Nay, He played a role in the murders, though not actively, to ensure that by slaughtering their children, the Pagans were destroying their religion!! You definition is the "Ummi" is…..well…..different! You claim that you have seen some Christians who read the "Book" for others to listen to and you say these "scripture-readers" call themselves "Ummis"??? You said you personally know a few of them. Where can I find this information to convince myself that those 'scripture-readers' are called "Ummis"? The Arab disbelievers are called "Jahiloon"—not "scripture-readers" in the entire Qur'an. These A'raab are called "deaf, dumb, and blind—2:18, 2:171" and "they have eyes but cannot see, have ears but cannot hear, and minds but cannot think—7:179"!!! They did not have wisdom (8:22, 10:42, 29:63). They used to bury their daughters alive/killed 16:58-59 and 81:8-9). They used to believe in Al-Lat, al-Manat, and al-Uzzah, calling them "daughters of Allah—16:65, 17:40". Have you seen a 'scripture' of Christians or Jews even mentioning these Al-Laat, al-Manat, and al-Uzzah (53:19-20)? What "scripture" these Arabs whom you call "literate" and "scripture-readers" were reading that ordered them to kill/bury alive their female children and authorized them to worship female gods? Please enlighten us. Then at the very end, you make a lofty claim "ALLAH has blessed me with this knowledge that I shared with you,". Here, you seem to possess some kind of Divine authority of possessing some specific knowledge that no one (implicitly) seems to have. I had not overcome my shock to read that loud claim of yours yet, then I saw the second part of your statement "if I am wrong than it is totally my fault" which means you still have doubts that you "could" be wrong. How can a man who is "blessed with knowledge" be in doubt? Now the Prophet was an "Ummi" as per the Qur'an and Allah raised them from the nation of "Ummis"! Looks like they were all 'scripture-readers' according to you. How many scriptures were there if there was not one alone that Prophet and all the other "Ummis" used to read? أَعُوذُ بِٱللَّهِ مِنَ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنِ ٱلرَّجِيمِ بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ اسلام علیکم ورحمۃ اللہ وبرکاتہ Mr Mubashir, It does not make any difference to me if you are Christian or were Christian before but calling Muhammad elahy salaam a gentile is blasphemy. Gentile is a christian against Yahood, by the definition of it and Muhammad elahy salaam was not christian or yahoodi. He was MUSLIM, Rasool, Nabi, Ummi, Bashar, Rehmut-ul-lil-alameen. He was not a christian against jews or a heathen or a vulgur infidel or a pagan. The word Ummi does not mean illiterate or unlettered either. In Arabic it is has multiple meanings that I have covered in my other paper before. alQuraan has explained the meanings of this word to its fullest and Inshaa ALLAH today, we are going to learn that. Lane, has gone a bit vulgur himself in describing UMMI, but the most correct definitions he has used is one belonging to an umma. However, UMMI is the person who reads from the book and even today, orthodox christians do not touch the holy scripture and a designated priest 'Ummi' reads it for them. Not all priest can touch the book only those who are next in line to the Ummi, I saw two. The junior most took the book out of the shelf and passed it to the senior one and then he paseed it to the UMMI. In a way, UMMI is special IMAM and both words have same root in Arabic. IMAM usually lead without books in hands where UMMI leads from the book. This Ummi is supposed to KNOW the book to describe it for others. Thus in 7:157 ALLAH Kareem has explained that in detail for us. Therefore, the most perfect definition of Ummi is the one who from the book orders the good and forbids the bad and states the law, and thus purifies them. This can relate to mother who does the same to her child only without using a book usually. Though, in N.America, moms do get a book to do that. This definition is supported with 2:78 & 79 where Ummiyon are unaware of the book but defining it according to their own whims and desires by writing their own book and declaring it to be from ALLAH. Next is 3:20 that addresses the people of the book and their leaders (ummi). Next is 3:76 that confirms Ummi as the molvi/mufti whom disobedient people showed no respect just like they had no respect for ALLAH. Thus, Ummi is the one that we know as MOLVI or MUFTI these days and some people (including me) do not have any respect for them but I DO HAVE ALL THE RESPECT FOR ALLAH that they don't. Next is 62:2 that tells us that Arabs were quite fond of reading and learning from the book. Unlike the claims against them to be illiterate, wild, barbaric etc. etc. alQuraan picturises them as those who had keen interest in the religion and it was a very important part of their lives. They had respect for Hujjaj and it was an honour to host them. They had Salaat and Soum and they had lots of idols to worship everyday. Therefore, not just one or two of those who were reading the book for them there were many. And then among them all there was the Rasool of ALLAH with the book of ALLAH to read upon them what was written in it and to teach them and to purify them thus inducing wisdom in them. And finally, 7:158 that locks UMMI with BOOK and Rasool is ordered to declare to the people that he is the Rasool of ALLAH for all of you-- not just one particular sect following the lead of their own UMMI -- the one to whom belongs the ownership of the Skies and Earth -- not just one star or moon or night or day -- there is no God but HIM produces life and executes death. Thus, believe in HIM and HIS Rasool, The Prophet, The UMMI, the one who believes in ALLAH and HIS KALIMAAT. Follow him to become the guided ones. If anyone wonders why KALIMAAT are used here then UMMI is the answer. It is the role of UMMI to decipher the code.
ALLAH has blessed me with this knowledge that I shared with you, if I am wrong than it is totally my fault but you have to prove it from alQuraan alone. وَهَـذَا كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَاتَّقُواْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ 6:155 6:155 And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy Syed Ali. Why don't you deny you are not Inayat Albert?? 2. Anybody who denies the essentials of the Deen is a Berg-e-Hasheesh. In those days Mirza did it, so Allamah Iqbal coined this term for him that fits anybody doing the same thing any time. 3.Thankyou for clearing about the word Ummi as is used in Quran for Rasoolullah Sallallaho A'laihi Wa Sallam. Still you need to struggle more for the exact meaning of this word. From: Mubashir Inayet < minayet@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Prophet (S) does not have the Authority to Prohibit what God has kept Lawful To: "Faiz" < tahirakhan@comcast.net>, "'syed Ahmed'" < qaseem39us@yahoo.com>, "'syed abdul khaleq'" < khaleq_hyd@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Syed Ali'" < sabahatca@hotmail.com>, " drshabbir@bellsouth.net" < drshabbir@bellsouth.net>, "'Humayun here'" < humayunhere@yahoo.com>, "'BashirSufiyan'" < sufiyan1970@gmail.com> Cc: " msa7011@yahoo.com" < msa7011@yahoo.com>, " m.ahmad@wanadoo.fr" < m.ahmad@wanadoo.fr>, " wyeknotusa@aol.com" < wyeknotusa@aol.com>, " iokoutlook@gmail.com" < iokoutlook@gmail.com>, " kaisrani@gmail.com" < kaisrani@gmail.com>, "'Kavalec'" < kavalec@gmail.com>, " ghulam_yusuf@yahoo.com" < ghulam_yusuf@yahoo.com>, " khshaikh1999@gmail.com" < khshaikh1999@gmail.com>, "'Mohammad Shafi Aga'" < mdshafiaga@gmail.com>, " mustafameb@yahoo.com" < mustafameb@yahoo.com>, " msnoorani@hotmail.com" < msnoorani@hotmail.com>, " moula_87@yahoo.com" < moula_87@yahoo.com>, " dryahyakazi@hotmail.com" < dryahyakazi@hotmail.com>, "'aaqib98 Faiz'" < aaqib98@yahoo.com>, " maanwer1@gmail.com" < maanwer1@gmail.com>, " hanif_mo@hotmail.com" < hanif_mo@hotmail.com>, " doctorforu123@yahoo.com" < doctorforu123@yahoo.com>, " khmahmood@se.com.sa" < khmahmood@se.com.sa>, "'Sajid Husain'" < sajid@shusain.com>, " bhai.syed2010@gmail.com" < bhai.syed2010@gmail.com>, "'Syed Sadruddin Hussain'" < sydsadr@hotmail.com>, " rizasiddiqi@hotmail.com" < rizasiddiqi@hotmail.com>, "'Latif.M. Chaudhery'" < latif.m.chaudhery@gmail.com>, " turkman@sbcglobal.net" < turkman@sbcglobal.net>, " butshikana@gmail.com" < butshikana@gmail.com>, " sikanderkk@hotmail.com" < sikanderkk@hotmail.com>, " americanmuslimbrotherhood@yahoogroups.com" < americanmuslimbrotherhood@yahoogroups.com>, " islamofallah@googlegroups.com" < islamofallah@googlegroups.com>, " folksandfriends@yahoogroups.com" < folksandfriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 10:46 PM First of all Syed Ahmed should know that the Qur'an says don't go by conjecture. If not sure ask a direct question and don't go beating around the bush. Say what you mean and mean what you say!! Inayet Albert or Schubert or Hubert means nothing to me so why should I waste my time in responding? Barg e Hasheesh was what Allama Iqbal referred to regarding Mirzah's message from Qadiyan, so I am not sure what Syed Ahmed is implying here. The classical definition of Ummi is not illiterate. It means someone who is a gentile / who has not received scripture / does not know the law of Moses. It has nothing to do with being illiterate. The Quran actually refutes the definition of Ummi as illiterate. Also the classical dictionaries are absolutely clear what the primary meaning of Ummi which is gentile. This article should hopefully clear up the matter God willing J Syed Ahmed, are you sure you are not on drugs? Please check your medicine cabinet to see if everything is correctly labeled. You speech is incoherent, inclusive and insensibly repetitive and boring. Please make sure you have some useful thoughts to share before you start moving your finger your key board. Mubashir you are a fasiq and according to 49:6 we don't believe you as you denied and belied 7:157 and became a kafir by your own intent. I wrote you are Inayat Albert but you never showed your reaction, means it is correct. You were fasiq fil a'qeedah before you denied 7:157 and that BERG-E-HASHEESH of Florida takes you as a momin brother, so is a multiple kafir, for taking a kafir as a momin is earning multiple kufr. SO BE HAPPY BOTH OF YOU IN WHAT YOUR EARN. From: Mubashir Inayet < minayet@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Prophet (S) does not have the Authority to Prohibit what God has kept Lawful To: "syed abdul khaleq" < khaleq_hyd@yahoo.co.uk>, "Syed Ali" < sabahatca@hotmail.com>, " qaseem39us@yahoo.com" < qaseem39us@yahoo.com>, "Irfan Faiz" < tahirakhan@comcast.net>, " drshabbir@bellsouth.net" < drshabbir@bellsouth.net>, "Humayun here" < humayunhere@yahoo.com>, "BashirSufiyan" < sufiyan1970@gmail.com> Cc: " msa7011@yahoo.com" < msa7011@yahoo.com>, " m.ahmad@wanadoo.fr" < m.ahmad@wanadoo.fr>, " wyeknotusa@aol.com" < wyeknotusa@aol.com>, " iokoutlook@gmail.com" < iokoutlook@gmail.com>, " kaisrani@gmail.com" < kaisrani@gmail.com>, "Kavalec" < kavalec@gmail.com>, " ghulam_yusuf@yahoo.com" < ghulam_yusuf@yahoo.com>, " khshaikh1999@gmail.com" < khshaikh1999@gmail.com>, "Mohammad Shafi Aga" < mdshafiaga@gmail.com>, " mustafameb@yahoo.com" < mustafameb@yahoo.com>, " msnoorani@hotmail.com" < msnoorani@hotmail.com>, " moula_87@yahoo.com" < moula_87@yahoo.com>, " dryahyakazi@hotmail.com" < dryahyakazi@hotmail.com>, "aaqib98 Faiz" < aaqib98@yahoo.com>, " maanwer1@gmail.com" < maanwer1@gmail.com>, " hanif_mo@hotmail.com" < hanif_mo@hotmail.com>, " doctorforu123@yahoo.com" < doctorforu123@yahoo.com>, " khmahmood@se.com.sa" < khmahmood@se.com.sa>, "Sajid Husain" < sajid@shusain.com>, " bhai.syed2010@gmail.com" < bhai.syed2010@gmail.com>, "Syed Sadruddin Hussain" < sydsadr@hotmail.com>, " rizasiddiqi@hotmail.com" < rizasiddiqi@hotmail.com>, "Latif.M. Chaudhery" < latif.m.chaudhery@gmail.com>, " turkman@sbcglobal.net" < turkman@sbcglobal.net>, " butshikana@gmail.com" < butshikana@gmail.com>, " sikanderkk@hotmail.com" < sikanderkk@hotmail.com>, " americanmuslimbrotherhood@yahoogroups.com" < americanmuslimbrotherhood@yahoogroups.com>, " islamofallah@googlegroups.com" < islamofallah@googlegroups.com>, " folksandfriends@yahoogroups.com" < folksandfriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 8:30 PM I think Ummi needs to be defined here. Does it mean unlettered or not belonging to a people who were followers of Divine revelations. We read elsewhere that the Kuffar accused him of preaching them from something he had written down ! Dear All, Lets analyse the ayat. Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 7 Surah Aaraf verse 157-158:"Those who follow the Messenger (SAW), the Prophet who can neither read nor write whom they find written with them in the Torah and the Injeel." This ayah indicates that the people fulfilling the conditions, referred to in the previous ayah, are those who follow the unlettered Prophet (SAW). So this ayah gives the description of the distinct qualities of the Holy Prophet (SAW). He is referred to as the unlettered Prophet (SAW) i.e. because the people of Arab were generally incapable of reading and writing. He never had any opportunity to learn how to read and write for upto forty years of his life, but then Allah (SWT) gave him great wisdom and knowledge and in such a linguistic style and diction that none in the world can produce a match for it i.e. the Qur'an. Another attribute of the Prophet mentioned in this ayah is that they shall find him written in the Torah and the Injeel. All of the previous Prophets mentioned him to their people and commanded them to follow him. Then Allah (SWT) said: "He commands them to do good and forbids them from evil. He makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits them from what is bad." This is the description of the Prophet (SAW) in previous Books. Among them is his attribute of commanding what is good and forbidding what is evil. Also he has been described as having the attribute of making pure things lawful for the people and impure things as unlawful. Then it is said: "He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the fetters that were upon them." i.e. he abrogated all previous injunctions by Allah's will, which were burdensome on the followers and replaced them with a lenient and easy religion. "So those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful." i.e. those who respect and honor Prophet Muhammad (SAW), follow his commandments, help him by helping in his mission, and follow the commandments of the Holy Qur'an are the ones who will achieve success in this world and in the Hereafter. Thus, in other words, this ayah indicates that the eternal salvation is dependent on the obedience of the Holy Qur'an and the Prophet's Sunnah. This has to be the obedience in the true sense i.e. having the utmost love and respect for the Prophet (SAW). That is to say one should have as much love and reverence for him as to make this obedience dearest to him. And Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength. Rest already been explained by brother Humayun - Jazakallah Khayr. May Allah guide us all to the Siraat al-Mustaqeem أَعُوذُ بِٱللَّهِ مِنَ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنِ ٱلرَّجِيمِ بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ اسلام علیکم ورحمۃ اللہ وبرکاتہDear Molvi Humayun, Why ALLAH Kareem has given you blind eyes??? This question can baffle us all until we read Qur'an and finds that ALLAH did not do it, you did it to yourself and ALLAH only put the seal upon you. But as long as, ALLAH is keeping you alive you have a chance to repent and correct. Now, for alAraaf, 157, your blind eyes and dark heart has totally ignored the addresses in the ayat and just like a dumb monkey you have jumped up to find a proof of your SHIRK. Read the ayat again and see that Rasool was declaring Halal and Haram for those who had Torat and Injeel and they had overburdened themselves upto their necks with their own HALAL and HARAM, just like you people are doing since the demise of Muhammad elahy salaam, and it was done according to the commands of ALLAH revealed upon him as alQuraan. In this ayat alQuraan is referred as Noor and those from the holders of Torat and Injeel who became believers along with Muhammad elahy salaam and helped Muhammad elahy salaam and FOLLOWED alQuraan they are those who are successful. This is not authorization rather introduction and authority remained with ALLAH alone. ALLAH taala closed this door with the completion of alQuraan upon Muhammad elahy salaam and shutting the door of Nabbuwwat after him. But you guys, can not live without altering Islam just like Yahood o Nasara and you transferred the Nabbuwwat to Bukhari and Muslim et al. First Yahood split into two when they had this debate about Musa elahy salaam's WAHI Matlu and Ghair Matlu. And you guys are just following their steps. Why ALLAH is not enough for you????
وَهَـذَا كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَاتَّقُواْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ 6:1556:155 And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy Syed Ali. Brother Humayun Assalamua'laikum, Jazakallaho khyr al jaza for refuting BERG-E-HASHEESH Ghamdi and Berg-e-filfil Inayat Albert through 7:157 to prove beyond doubt that Rasoolullah Sallallaho A'laihi Wa sallam has the AUTHORITY to declare what is halal and what is haram PERIOD. When Allah Subhanahu mentions Rasoolullah Sallallaho A'laihi wa Sallam having IKHTIYAAR on declaring the useful things as HALAL and harmful things as HARAM, who are these 'minims' to deny His AUTHORITY from Allah?? From: Humayun Rasheed < humayunhere@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Prophet (S) does not have the Authority to Prohibit what God has kept Lawful To: "Mubashir Inayet" < minayet@yahoo.com>, "Faiz" < tahirakhan@comcast.net>, "'syed Ahmed'" < qaseem39us@yahoo.com>, "'SHABBIR AHMED'" < drshabbir@bellsouth.net> Cc: "'Syed Ali'" < sabahatca@hotmail.com>, "'Mohammad Asghar'" < msa7011@yahoo.com>, "'maqbool ahmad'" < m.ahmad@wanadoo.fr>, "'Major( R).Kausar Salam Shaikh'" < wyeknotusa@aol.com>, "'Imran Owais Kazmi'" < iokoutlook@gmail.com>, "'Hussain Kaisrani'" < kaisrani@gmail.com>, "'G.Waleed Kavalec'" < kavalec@gmail.com>, "'col. Ghulam yusuf'" < ghulam_yusuf@yahoo.com>, "'Asan Deen'" < khshaikh1999@gmail.com>, "'khaleq hyd'" < khaleq_hyd@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Mohammad Shafi Aga'" < mdshafiaga@gmail.com>, " mustafameb@yahoo.com" < mustafameb@yahoo.com>, " msnoorani@hotmail.com" < msnoorani@hotmail.com>, "'moula 87'" < moula_87@yahoo.com>, " dryahyakazi@hotmail.com" < dryahyakazi@hotmail.com>, "'aaqib98 Faiz'" < aaqib98@yahoo.com>, " maanwer1@gmail.com" < maanwer1@gmail.com>, "'hanif mo'" < hanif_mo@hotmail.com>, " doctorforu123@yahoo.com" < doctorforu123@yahoo.com>, " khmahmood@se.com.sa" < khmahmood@se.com.sa>, " sajid@shusain.com" < sajid@shusain.com>, "'bhai syed2010'" < bhai.syed2010@gmail.com>, " sydsadr@hotmail.com" < sydsadr@hotmail.com>, "'Brig Riza Siddiqui'" < rizasiddiqi@hotmail.com>, "'Muhammad Latif Chaudhery'" < latif.m.chaudhery@gmail.com>, "'S Turkman'" < turkman@sbcglobal.net>, " butshikana@gmail.com" < butshikana@gmail.com>, "'Gen SIKANDER HAYAT'" < sikanderkk@hotmail.com> Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 6:37 AM Mr. Mubashir, if you could use a little of brain you may not reach to the conclusion you drawn. Can you read the last words in your quoted narration? It is saying 'I am not making a thing unlawful that Allah(saw) has made lawful'. Can you show me where is this thing made Halal in Quran? It is proved Halal from Hadith. Understand difference between two things; 1- Rasool(saw) makes things halal which Allah(swt) makes haram, and vice versa. 2- Rasool(saw) tells the things halal and haram which is in accordance of Allah(swt)'s order. Narration is enough proof that Halal/Haram are not mentioned only in Quran, but Rasool(saw) himself sometimes tell a thing that it is Halal or Haram, otherwise he must say that "I can't make a thing Haram which is made Halal in Quran" or any words of this concept. These words of narration are proof that Rasool(saw) time to time clerify the things which are Halal and Haram with the order of Allah(swt) no matter it is written in Quran or not. Sahabah(ra) also had the belief that Rasool(saw) tells Halal and Haram which are not mentioned in Quran (as it is clear from start of narration). It was not their personal thinking, see what Quran ordering; الَّذينَ يَتَّبِعونَ الرَّسولَ النَّبِىَّ الأُمِّىَّ الَّذى يَجِدونَهُ مَكتوبًا عِندَهُم فِى التَّورىٰةِ وَالإِنجيلِ يَأمُرُهُم بِالمَعروفِ وَيَنهىٰهُم عَنِ المُنكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ الطَّيِّبـٰتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيهِمُ الخَبـٰئِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنهُم إِصرَهُم وَالأَغلـٰلَ الَّتى كانَت عَلَيهِم ۚ فَالَّذينَ ءامَنوا بِهِ وَعَزَّروهُ وَنَصَروهُ وَاتَّبَعُوا النّورَ الَّذى أُنزِلَ مَعَهُ ۙ أُولـٰئِكَ هُمُ المُفلِحونَ - الأعراف - 157 Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful. وہ جو (محمدﷺ) رسول (الله) کی جو نبی اُمی ہیں پیروی کرتے ہیں جن (کے اوصاف) کو وہ اپنے ہاں تورات اور انجیل میں لکھا ہوا پاتے ہیں۔ وہ انہیں نیک کام کا حکم دیتے ہیں اور برے کام سے روکتے ہیں۔ اور پاک چیزوں کو ان کے لیے حلال کرتے ہیں اور ناپاک چیزوں کو ان پر حرام ٹہراتے ہیں اور ان پر سے بوجھ اور طوق جو ان (کے سر) پر (اور گلے میں) تھے اتارتے ہیں۔ تو جو لوگ ان پر ایمان لائے اور ان کی رفاقت کی اور انہیں مدد دی۔ اور جو نور ان کے ساتھ نازل ہوا ہے اس کی پیروی کی۔ وہی مراد پانے والے ہیں I call you towards the foot steps of Sahabah(ra), students of Rasool(saw), who understand Rasool(saw) and order of Allah(swt) more then anyone else. Moreover, Muslims also saved this minor detail that which thing is halal and which is halal but disliked at certain occasion. This detail worthy in Hadith rather then Quran because Quran is book of law not a book to mentioned minor details of each existing thing one by one. Try to use wisdom rather then denial. Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:48 PMSubject: The Prophet (S) does not have the Authority to Prohibit what God has kept Lawful The Prophet (sws) does not have the Authority to Prohibit what God has kept Lawful | Hadith & SunnahMoiz Amjad | | روي أنه قال أبو سعيد: لم نعد أن فتحت خيبر فوقعنا أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في تلك البقلة الثوم والناس جياع فأكلنا منها أكلا شديدا ثم رحنا إلى المسجد فوجد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم الريج فقال: من أكل من هذه الشجرة الخبيثة شيئا فلا يقربنا في المسجد فقال الناس: حرمت حرمت. فبلغ ذاك النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال: أيها الناس إنه ليس بي تحريم ما أحل الله لي ولكنها شجرة أكره ريحها. It is narrated that Abū Sa'īd al-Khudrī said: "We had not made any preparations when Khyber was conquered. So we – the companions of the Prophet (sws) – came upon this plantation – i.e. garlic. People were extremely hungry. So we had our fill [from it] and came to the mosque. The Prophet (sws) sensed its odour and said: Whoever eats anything of this vicious tree must not come near us in the mosque. Hearing this, people started telling each other: 'It is prohibited, it is prohibited.' When this reached the Prophet (sws), he said: 'O People, I do not have authority to prohibit anything that God has kept lawful for me 1. [It is not prohibited,] but, in fact, it is only a tree, the odour of which I detest.'" Notes on the Text of the Narrative This narrative or a part of it with some variations has been reported in Muslim (no. 565), Abū Dā'ūd (no. 3823), Ahmad ibn Hanbal (nos. 11099, 11600, 11822 and 23572), Ibn Khuzaymah (No. 1667), Bayhaqī (no. 4838 and 4839), Ibn Hibbān (no. 2085), Abū Ya'lā (no. 1195). The preferred text is taken from Muslim (no. 565). In some narratives, as in Bayhaqī (no. 4839), the words وقعنا في تلك البقلة (we came upon this plantation) have been reported as وقمنا في تلك البقلة (we stood in this plantation). In some narratives, as in Ahmad ibn Hanbal (no. 11600), the demonstrative pronoun تلك in the words في تلك البقلة (in this plantation) have been reported synonymously as تيك . In some narratives, as in Abū Ya'lā (no. 1195), the words في تلك البقلة الثوم (in this plantation – that is, garlic) have been reported as في تلك البقلة الثوم والبصل (in this plantation – that is garlic and onion). In some narratives, as in Ahmad ibn Hanbal (no. 11099), the words والناس جياع (and the people were very hungry) have synonymously been reported as وناس جياع . In some narratives, as in Ibn Khuzaymah (no. 1667), the words ثم رحنا إلى المسجد (then we came to this mosque) have been narrated as ثم قمنا إلى المسجد (then we prepared for the mosque); while in some narratives, as in Abū Ya'lā (no. 1195), these words have been reported as فرجعنا إلى المسجد (then we returned to the mosque). In some narratives, as in Ahmad ibn Hanbal (no. 11600), the words فقال الناس (then the people said) have synonymously been reported as فقال ناس . In some narratives, as in Ahmad ibn Hanbal (no. 11099), the words إنه ليس بي تحريم ما أحل الله (I do not have authority to prohibit anything that God has allowed) have been reported as إنه ليس لي تحريم ما أحل الله (it is not for me to disallow anything that God has allowed). In some narratives, as in Ibn Khuzaymah (no. 1667), the following words have been added to the saying of the Prophet (sws) وإنه يأتيني من الملائكة فأكره أن يشموا ريحها (and angels come to me and I do not want them to smell this odour). Some narratives, as for instance, Abū Dā'ūd (no. 3823) have given the same subject matter in a slightly different manner, as follows: روي أنه ذكر عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم الثوم البصل. قيل يا رسول الله وأشد ذلك كله الثوم أفتحرمه؟ فقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: كلوه. ومن أكله منكم فلا يقرب هذا المسجد حتى يذهب ريحه منه. It is narrated that garlic and onion were mentioned in front of the Prophet (sws). It was said: "O Prophet, garlic is the strongest among these in its odour. Do you prohibit eating it?" The Prophet (sws) said: "Eat it. However, whoever among you eats of it should not come near us in the mosque, till the time that its odour subsides." In some narratives, as in Bayhaqī (no. 4838), the words حتى يذهب ريحه منه (till the time its odour subsides) have been reported as حتى يذهب عنه ريحه منه (till the time that its odour subsides from him). In some other narratives, as for instance in Ahmad ibn Hanbal (no. 11822), it is reported: روي أن أبا سعيد الخدري قال: إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى الكراث والبصل والثوم فقلنا: أحرام هو؟ قال: لا. ولكن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى عنه. 'It is narrated that Abū Sa'īd al-Khudrī said: "The Prophet (sws) stopped us from [eating] leek, onion and garlic." People asked: "Is it prohibited?" Abū Sa'īd al-Khudrī replied: "No, but the Prophet (sws) stopped us from [eating] it." While in another narrative, as in Ahmad ibn Hanbal (no. 23572), the same subject matter has been reported in a different context, as follows: روي أن أبا أيوب الأنصاري قال: كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إذا أتي بطعام أكل منه وبعث بفضله إلي. وأنه بعث يوما بقصعة لم يأكل منها شيئا. فيها ثوم. فسألته أحرام هو؟ قال: لا ولكني أكرهه من أجل ريحه. فقال: إني أكره ما كرهت. It is narrated that Abū Ayyūb al-Ansāri said: "When any food was brought to the Prophet, he ate from it and sent to me anything that was left. One day, he sent me a basin from which he had not eaten anything. There was garlic in it. I asked him: 'Is it prohibited?' He replied: 'No, but I don't like it due to its odour.' Abū Ayyūb said: I too dislike what you do not like." (This write-up is prepared by the Hadīth Cell of Jāved Ahmad Ghāmidī which includes Moiz Amjad, Izhār Ahmad, Muhammad Aslam Najmi and Kaukab Shehzad) | | | | |
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