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Sunday, September 13, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [muktamona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article



Well, Dr. Roy, let me be the first to say here, who am I to judge the expertise of a Columbia Professor of Anthropology? But when he puts Israel, Kashmir and Tripura in the same category, I am not much impressed with his expertise on his subject. His views are not based upon historical facts; he probably wanted to serve the purposes of the sources that put him in that position.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 9:46 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Professor may be an expert on his own discipline, but - being a professor in a reputed university will not make someone expert on everything. I have seen most professors, including my own supervisor, possess views that are formed on the basis of historical perspectives; they never update views as time progresses. This professor is just doing hukkah-hua.

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article

 
Well, Dr. Das, unfortunately, Partha Chatterjee is also a regular Professor at a very prestigious school (Columbia University) in the USA. Looking at his stature and that of many others, I sense that to find funding sources, one probably needs agenda that serve some unjust interest group(s). An unadulterated mind for human dignity and rights is great; but it is not sponsored by rich interest groups, including governments.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:11 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Chatterjee is a stupid old anti Semitic with no idea on Israel or India.

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On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
As far as I know, Mr. Chatterjee's family had to migrate to West Bengal (India) from East Pakistan after 1947 partition for safety and security. Many Hindu Bengali families had no choice but to go Assam or Tripura for their safety too as Mr. Chatterjee's family moved to West Bengal. So, how Mr. Chatterjee would rationalize his family's migration to WB was legitimate whereas others' is illegitimate? Mr. Chatterjee's attitude is pretty much contradictory to what he practices vs preaches. This is a typical problem for many Indian useful idiots who never took a stand to stay where ever they belonged but they blame the victims for being ethnically cleansed.  Pure hypocrisy!
 




On Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:04 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Partha Chatterjee's likening of Kashmir and Tripura with Israel is hardly rational.
The non-Muslims of other parts of India did not consider Kashmir anything like a 'promised land' to settle in, the way the Zionists of the world did to Palestine. In fact, there is an Indian law that prevents non-Kashmiris to buy land there. If the Kashmiri religious majority had an opportunity, that land most likely would have been something like a Pakistan or Bangladesh today, with the non-Muslims of that land totally expelled/marginalized. Even with all the Indian military presence there, the Muslim majority there have driven out the minority Hindu Pandits from the Kashmir valley. The Muslims of that land have all the power there, except for making that land an Islamic nation of injustice and atrocity. The Muslims of Kashmir certainly have a lot more sovereignty than what the Arabs have in Israel.
Similarly, Tripura was not considered a 'promised land' by the settlers from East Bengal (today's Bangladesh). The persecuted Hindus of East Bengal went to India, including Tripura, for shelter, not for ruling, not for subjugating the local population. Being more educated, they had an advantage over the local population of Tripura. Being too many in number from the densely populated East Bengal, they also became a majority in the land that had been sparsely populated. But their intent was never like what the Zionists wanted to do to the Palestinians. As Mr. Chatterjee has also observed, the Bengali dominated government has been trying to build bridges between the Tribal and the Bengali populations. There is no policy of settling more Bengalis from other parts of the world in Tripura; quite unlike what is going on in Israel.












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[mukto-mona] Re: [muktamona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article



Professor may be an expert on his own discipline, but - being a professor in a reputed university will not make someone expert on everything. I have seen most professors, including my own supervisor, possess views that are formed on the basis of historical perspectives; they never update views as time progresses. This professor is just doing hukkah-hua.

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article

 
Well, Dr. Das, unfortunately, Partha Chatterjee is also a regular Professor at a very prestigious school (Columbia University) in the USA. Looking at his stature and that of many others, I sense that to find funding sources, one probably needs agenda that serve some unjust interest group(s). An unadulterated mind for human dignity and rights is great; but it is not sponsored by rich interest groups, including governments.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:11 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Chatterjee is a stupid old anti Semitic with no idea on Israel or India.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
As far as I know, Mr. Chatterjee's family had to migrate to West Bengal (India) from East Pakistan after 1947 partition for safety and security. Many Hindu Bengali families had no choice but to go Assam or Tripura for their safety too as Mr. Chatterjee's family moved to West Bengal. So, how Mr. Chatterjee would rationalize his family's migration to WB was legitimate whereas others' is illegitimate? Mr. Chatterjee's attitude is pretty much contradictory to what he practices vs preaches. This is a typical problem for many Indian useful idiots who never took a stand to stay where ever they belonged but they blame the victims for being ethnically cleansed.  Pure hypocrisy!
 




On Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:04 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Partha Chatterjee's likening of Kashmir and Tripura with Israel is hardly rational.
The non-Muslims of other parts of India did not consider Kashmir anything like a 'promised land' to settle in, the way the Zionists of the world did to Palestine. In fact, there is an Indian law that prevents non-Kashmiris to buy land there. If the Kashmiri religious majority had an opportunity, that land most likely would have been something like a Pakistan or Bangladesh today, with the non-Muslims of that land totally expelled/marginalized. Even with all the Indian military presence there, the Muslim majority there have driven out the minority Hindu Pandits from the Kashmir valley. The Muslims of that land have all the power there, except for making that land an Islamic nation of injustice and atrocity. The Muslims of Kashmir certainly have a lot more sovereignty than what the Arabs have in Israel.
Similarly, Tripura was not considered a 'promised land' by the settlers from East Bengal (today's Bangladesh). The persecuted Hindus of East Bengal went to India, including Tripura, for shelter, not for ruling, not for subjugating the local population. Being more educated, they had an advantage over the local population of Tripura. Being too many in number from the densely populated East Bengal, they also became a majority in the land that had been sparsely populated. But their intent was never like what the Zionists wanted to do to the Palestinians. As Mr. Chatterjee has also observed, the Bengali dominated government has been trying to build bridges between the Tribal and the Bengali populations. There is no policy of settling more Bengalis from other parts of the world in Tripura; quite unlike what is going on in Israel.










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Re: [mukto-mona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article



Well, Dr. Das, unfortunately, Partha Chatterjee is also a regular Professor at a very prestigious school (Columbia University) in the USA. Looking at his stature and that of many others, I sense that to find funding sources, one probably needs agenda that serve some unjust interest group(s). An unadulterated mind for human dignity and rights is great; but it is not sponsored by rich interest groups, including governments.

SuBain

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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:11 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Chatterjee is a stupid old anti Semitic with no idea on Israel or India.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
As far as I know, Mr. Chatterjee's family had to migrate to West Bengal (India) from East Pakistan after 1947 partition for safety and security. Many Hindu Bengali families had no choice but to go Assam or Tripura for their safety too as Mr. Chatterjee's family moved to West Bengal. So, how Mr. Chatterjee would rationalize his family's migration to WB was legitimate whereas others' is illegitimate? Mr. Chatterjee's attitude is pretty much contradictory to what he practices vs preaches. This is a typical problem for many Indian useful idiots who never took a stand to stay where ever they belonged but they blame the victims for being ethnically cleansed.  Pure hypocrisy!
 




On Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:04 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Partha Chatterjee's likening of Kashmir and Tripura with Israel is hardly rational.
The non-Muslims of other parts of India did not consider Kashmir anything like a 'promised land' to settle in, the way the Zionists of the world did to Palestine. In fact, there is an Indian law that prevents non-Kashmiris to buy land there. If the Kashmiri religious majority had an opportunity, that land most likely would have been something like a Pakistan or Bangladesh today, with the non-Muslims of that land totally expelled/marginalized. Even with all the Indian military presence there, the Muslim majority there have driven out the minority Hindu Pandits from the Kashmir valley. The Muslims of that land have all the power there, except for making that land an Islamic nation of injustice and atrocity. The Muslims of Kashmir certainly have a lot more sovereignty than what the Arabs have in Israel.
Similarly, Tripura was not considered a 'promised land' by the settlers from East Bengal (today's Bangladesh). The persecuted Hindus of East Bengal went to India, including Tripura, for shelter, not for ruling, not for subjugating the local population. Being more educated, they had an advantage over the local population of Tripura. Being too many in number from the densely populated East Bengal, they also became a majority in the land that had been sparsely populated. But their intent was never like what the Zionists wanted to do to the Palestinians. As Mr. Chatterjee has also observed, the Bengali dominated government has been trying to build bridges between the Tribal and the Bengali populations. There is no policy of settling more Bengalis from other parts of the world in Tripura; quite unlike what is going on in Israel.








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Posted by: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>


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Re: [mukto-mona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article



It would be interesting to know what this man would say about Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis and Pakistanis settling in the European countries? How that is any different from people settling in Tripura, Assam, Kashmir or Palestine? The argument is totally false from this Chatterjee.
 




On Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:45 AM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Chatterjee is a stupid old anti Semitic with no idea on Israel or India.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
As far as I know, Mr. Chatterjee's family had to migrate to West Bengal (India) from East Pakistan after 1947 partition for safety and security. Many Hindu Bengali families had no choice but to go Assam or Tripura for their safety too as Mr. Chatterjee's family moved to West Bengal. So, how Mr. Chatterjee would rationalize his family's migration to WB was legitimate whereas others' is illegitimate? Mr. Chatterjee's attitude is pretty much contradictory to what he practices vs preaches. This is a typical problem for many Indian useful idiots who never took a stand to stay where ever they belonged but they blame the victims for being ethnically cleansed.  Pure hypocrisy!
 




On Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:04 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Partha Chatterjee's likening of Kashmir and Tripura with Israel is hardly rational.
The non-Muslims of other parts of India did not consider Kashmir anything like a 'promised land' to settle in, the way the Zionists of the world did to Palestine. In fact, there is an Indian law that prevents non-Kashmiris to buy land there. If the Kashmiri religious majority had an opportunity, that land most likely would have been something like a Pakistan or Bangladesh today, with the non-Muslims of that land totally expelled/marginalized. Even with all the Indian military presence there, the Muslim majority there have driven out the minority Hindu Pandits from the Kashmir valley. The Muslims of that land have all the power there, except for making that land an Islamic nation of injustice and atrocity. The Muslims of Kashmir certainly have a lot more sovereignty than what the Arabs have in Israel.
Similarly, Tripura was not considered a 'promised land' by the settlers from East Bengal (today's Bangladesh). The persecuted Hindus of East Bengal went to India, including Tripura, for shelter, not for ruling, not for subjugating the local population. Being more educated, they had an advantage over the local population of Tripura. Being too many in number from the densely populated East Bengal, they also became a majority in the land that had been sparsely populated. But their intent was never like what the Zionists wanted to do to the Palestinians. As Mr. Chatterjee has also observed, the Bengali dominated government has been trying to build bridges between the Tribal and the Bengali populations. There is no policy of settling more Bengalis from other parts of the world in Tripura; quite unlike what is going on in Israel.








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On Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:00 AM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:




On Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:58 AM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:




On Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:57 AM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:


ছবি কথা বলে। দেশ রত্ন , জননেত্রী শেখ হাসিনার নিপুন পরিচালনায় উন্নয়নের জোয়ার আজ চারিদিকে। ইতিমধ্যে মধ্যম আয়ের দেশ হয়ে তাক লাগিয়ে দিয়েছে সারা বিশ্বকে। দেশের মানুষ আজ পেট ভরে খেতে পারছে , খাদ্যে স্বয়ংসম্পুর্ন হয়ে বাংলাদেশ এখন বিদেশে খাদ্য রফতানি করছে। জয়তু শেখ হাসিনা। শেখ হাসিনার সরকার , বার বার দরকার।
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