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Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Re: [ALOCHONA] Who Pioneered "Crossfire in Bangladesh?



Dear Mr Robin Khundkar,
Your statement
<<Well if he did he must have learnt it from the Al Badrs and Al Shams Razakars and their foreign masters who refined it onto an art alongwith with total deniability! !! >>
implies that Sheikh Mujib learned some of his tactics from Al Badrs. Does that mean that he was part of them and never wanted the freedom of Bangladesh, I won't be surprised.
 
<<I am curious at your shedding of crocodile tears at the death of Siraj Shikder the naxalite and a firm believer in the politics of annihilation. Do you really think he would shown you any mercy to hardcore communalists like you if he had ever come to power. >>
 
On the same token, we need to bring Nanak and Mirza Azam to the cross fire. If you were happened to be in the bus they burned, do you think they would have any mercy on their hardcore terror minds?
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink..net> wrote:

From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Who Pioneered "Crossfire in Bangladesh?
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 4:36 PM

 
Dear Sajjad Hossain
Well if he did he must have learnt it from the Al Badrs and Al Shams Razakars and their foreign masters who refined it onto an art alongwith with total deniability! !!
 
Cross fire/encounter killings/extra judicial murders are a long standing tradition in the subcontinent. From Peshawar to Chittagong from Delhi to the tip of Sri Lanka!
 
I am curious at your shedding of crocodile tears at the death of Siraj Shikder the naxalite and a firm believer in the politics of annihilation. Do you really think he would shown you any mercy to hardcore communalists like you if he had ever come to power.
 
If you really do I want some of your Kool Aid!
 
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Sajjad Hossain
Sent: Oct 18, 2009 11:19 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Who Pioneered "Crossfire in Bangladesh?

 
Crossfire or extra-judicial killings are now-a-days very common practice among the so-called law enforcers.
However, when it was pioneered in the history of Bangladesh? The historical facts show that it was Bangabondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman ever first introduced
"Crossfire" in Bangladesh. The first victim of his Crossfire was Siraj Shikder. After his brutal killing, the so-called "Jatir Pita" shouted in the Parliament "Where is Siraj Shikder Now?". What a Pita who sent his son to be tortured and brutally killed!
 
SH
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RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea




When fanatical views overcome reason wisdom is a far cry. This gentleman lived a life surpassing half a century but never had a chance to peep at the door of wisdom. His imprisoned soul thrives in ignorance. The lethal brew of ignorance and religion has poisoned his mind and his entire existence is nestling in darkness. He is afraid of light and freedom. His is a lost case.

 

Akbar Hussain



To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: sirajuz@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:04:24 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Dear Syed Abdul Hannan,
 
Wa Alaikum Salam. This is a muslim tradition.   Let me ask you a question. When you are posting an article  to a forum through internet, are you doing it for muslims only? Do you not think that these forums are also used by the non-muslims also? If so, why are you forcing your own tradition to who do not want respond back to you with "Wa Alaikum Assalam"?
Doing this you are exposing two of your attitudes: (1) You are trying to expand your your tradition to others by way of imposition, and (2) You don't care about the others who are not like you. So, with that why don't you talk to your like minded people only, not bothering the others. Having said that I don't mean to ignore you by the others or you to ignore the others; but I really mean that you will never be able to get your points through when you do not show respects to the others. That is why the golden rule is "Don't tell don't ask" about the controversial issues that creates more rifts between parties than doing good. Only following this principle you may peacefully co-exist with the others. I believe the peaceful co-existence of all kinds of people of all religions and of all ethnicities together must be the most priority of all people of the world at this modern era, regardless of where you live.
 
Middle-aged sectarian society format is vanishing up quickly. If you can not accept this vanishing up, you will soon be caught up with extreme backwardness. Of course, it depends upon what school of thoughts you believe in.
 
(1) If you think that men came for religion, you are rigid, tunnel visioned, self-centered, counting reward for here-after and seriously discounting human social welfare in this world and definitely the nature of this world isn't anything to you but a servant of a distant unknown all powerful master who caught up the imaginations of the billions in thousands of year. You are at the race of proving yourself to the better slave than the others such that you can have better and more rewards, not in this world, but in the here-after, with hundreds beautiful co-habiters and the best wine ever discovered the "sharaban tahura", for ever without any breaks and any ending.
 
(2) If you think that religion came for men, you may expect some of the above, but you would not be crazy for only that, but you additionally also think: that I am one of the billions of people of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of the religions of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of language of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of cultures of the world, that I live like every body in the world, that I need to breathe like everybody else, that I need to eat like everybody else, that I need to drink like everybody else, that I need to have parents and relatives like everybody else, that I need to have family like everybody else, that I need to have a family like everybody else, that I need to reproduce like everybody else, and so on and so on........! If these are my concerns, why should I see the others in the different eyes?
 
Perhaps, because of rigidity in the thought process, perhaps because of the continuous brain washing from birth up to this moment, by everybody around, by parents, by relatives, by the society where I lived, by the surrounding where I lived, and mostly perhaps I do not want to see the outside world, keep my tunnel vision within the realms of my self-claimed territory.
 
So, things can be changed just by widening the areas of thoughts, interactions, exposures, and the limits oif the school where belonged.
 
Mr. Hannan, I am sorry, I did have to abide by my father's tale, who used to say, "Give some money to a foolish, don't give your advice; because it will never work out". Knowingly, I made that mistake only for a reason, "Je Khane dekhibe chai, uraiya dekho tai; Pele-o Pa-ite paro omullo roton."  I am not for the omullo roton, as money or coin, but of human value, absolutely for humans, regardless of color, sect, shape or religion; which is the universal humanity.
 
Looking at your postings, I am sure you are very skilled in name calling. You won't go any step behind, as long as you are so. But please remember one thing, as long as you are at the race of reward collection, you won't have time to look at the others but yourself and contribute only selfishness to the society but not generosity to all people in common. Thanks.
 
 



From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:58:05 -0700
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalamu alaikum.This lady does not know anything of Islam or secularism or state religion.

 

She says, "       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India! "

 

In the thousand year of Muslim rule in India Shariah ( Islamic law ) was the basis of state and law and Qazis or judges used to judge according to this law.This is much more than state religion which is a softer way of a state  showing allegiance to Islam .

 

Secularism ( I call it in Bangla " Dharma Barjan Bad ") she does not understand at all  and it was never integral to our life or system.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

 

 
      Yet another PROOF of what I've been saying all along -----
       
        S. A. Hannan (and the whole Jamaati lot) is the embodiment of the Western-style 20th century Fascism.  State religion is a typically IMPORTED idea from the white Christian Europe. So is the idea of a 'State language' over which Pakistan made a such a fuss and we got terribly sentimental about Bangla as an 'endangered' language! Bangla is the fifth biggest language in the world and Bangladesh is the 7th most populous country! These days the Jamaatis are claiming that Islam is an endangered religion and they are the ONLY saviours of the 'deen' in Bangladesh.
 
       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India!
 
        Secularism is an integral part of our own history, culture and civilization.  The idea of a State Religion is totally foreign, and a trick of evil-intentioned anti-human politics.
 
          We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal.           
 
           Hannan's trumpeting of the "religion of the majority" is based on the British colonialists' computing of people of Bengal (in 1872 census) by their professed faith.  It was a bogus census with evil imperialist intention of controlling people and looting the wealth of Bengal as a colony. 
 
            It is time to DISCARD this colonial basis of classifying general citizenry by their religion.
 
          Please folks! We have suffered enough! It is time we all wake up to the dangers of these 20th century FASCISTS engulfing the hopes and dreams of our 21st century.
 
          Farida Majid



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RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea



It has been stated at the early part of the thread:

"We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal"  

Actually, Bangladesh was under the rule of the Sultans, about 500 years of which were completely independent. The rulers, bad and good,  employed Qazis who ruled according to the Shariah. Upto the beginning of the last century the Muslims were ruled by the Khalifas. To say that a state religion is foreign to the Muslim society is misleading. By and large, the Muslim Khalifas and the Muslim societies were tolerant of the minorities because of the mandate of Islam. When a society is ruled by a Muslim Sultan or a Khalifa, declaration of a state religion is redundant.

A true democracy led by pious, honest, hard working and God fearing Muslims would also possibly eliminate the necessity of a state religion for Bangladesh. But there is nothing in the horizon to make the people hopeful

Aziz Huq
 


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:05:15 -0700
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalasmu Alaikum.It is permitted in Islam to greet a joint audience with the greeting of Assalamu Alaikum.

 

.I am not responding to other points which I feel are just twistings and frivolous.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Siraj Zaman
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:04 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

 


Dear Syed Abdul Hannan,
 
Wa Alaikum Salam. This is a muslim tradition.   Let me ask you a question. When you are posting an article  to a forum through internet, are you doing it for muslims only? Do you not think that these forums are also used by the non-muslims also? If so, why are you forcing your own tradition to who do not want respond back to you with "Wa Alaikum Assalam"?
Doing this you are exposing two of your attitudes: (1) You are trying to expand your your tradition to others by way of imposition, and (2) You don't care about the others who are not like you. So, with that why don't you talk to your like minded people only, not bothering the others. Having said that I don't mean to ignore you by the others or you to ignore the others; but I really mean that you will never be able to get your points through when you do not show respects to the others. That is why the golden rule is "Don't tell don't ask" about the controversial issues that creates more rifts between parties than doing good. Only following this principle you may peacefully co-exist with the others. I believe the peaceful co-existence of all kinds of people of all religions and of all ethnicities together must be the most priority of all people of the world at this modern era, regardless of where you live.
 
Middle-aged sectarian society format is vanishing up quickly. If you can not accept this vanishing up, you will soon be caught up with extreme backwardness. Of course, it depends upon what school of thoughts you believe in.
 
(1) If you think that men came for religion, you are rigid, tunnel visioned, self-centered, counting reward for here-after and seriously discounting human social welfare in this world and definitely the nature of this world isn't anything to you but a servant of a distant unknown all powerful master who caught up the imaginations of the billions in thousands of year. You are at the race of proving yourself to the better slave than the others such that you can have better and more rewards, not in this world, but in the here-after, with hundreds beautiful co-habiters and the best wine ever discovered the "sharaban tahura", for ever without any breaks and any ending.
 
(2) If you think that religion came for men, you may expect some of the above, but you would not be crazy for only that, but you additionally also think: that I am one of the billions of people of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of the religions of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of language of the world, that I have one of the hundreds of cultures of the world, that I live like every body in the world, that I need to breathe like everybody else, that I need to eat like everybody else, that I need to drink like everybody else, that I need to have parents and relatives like everybody else, that I need to have family like everybody else, that I need to have a family like everybody else, that I need to reproduce like everybody else, and so on and so on........! If these are my concerns, why should I see the others in the different eyes?
 
Perhaps, because of rigidity in the thought process, perhaps because of the continuous brain washing from birth up to this moment, by everybody around, by parents, by relatives, by the society where I lived, by the surrounding where I lived, and mostly perhaps I do not want to see the outside world, keep my tunnel vision within the realms of my self-claimed territory.
 
So, things can be changed just by widening the areas of thoughts, interactions, exposures, and the limits oif the school where belonged.
 
Mr. Hannan, I am sorry, I did have to abide by my father's tale, who used to say, "Give some money to a foolish, don't give your advice; because it will never work out". Knowingly, I made that mistake only for a reason, "Je Khane dekhibe chai, uraiya dekho tai; Pele-o Pa-ite paro omullo roton."  I am not for the omullo roton, as money or coin, but of human value, absolutely for humans, regardless of color, sect, shape or religion; which is the universal humanity.
 
Looking at your postings, I am sure you are very skilled in name calling. You won't go any step behind, as long as you are so. But please remember one thing, as long as you are at the race of reward collection, you won't have time to look at the others but yourself and contribute only selfishness to the society but not generosity to all people in common. Thanks.
 
 


From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:58:05 -0700
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalamu alaikum.This lady does not know anything of Islam or secularism or state religion.

 

She says, "       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India! "

 

In the thousand year of Muslim rule in India Shariah ( Islamic law ) was the basis of state and law and Qazis or judges used to judge according to this law.This is much more than state religion which is a softer way of a state  showing allegiance to Islam .

 

Secularism ( I call it in Bangla " Dharma Barjan Bad ") she does not understand at all  and it was never integral to our life or system.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Farida Majid
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Trumpeting State Religion -- a thoroughly 20th century Fascist idea

 

 

 
      Yet another PROOF of what I've been saying all along -----
       
        S. A. Hannan (and the whole Jamaati lot) is the embodiment of the Western-style 20th century Fascism.  State religion is a typically IMPORTED idea from the white Christian Europe. So is the idea of a 'State language' over which Pakistan made a such a fuss and we got terribly sentimental about Bangla as an 'endangered' language! Bangla is the fifth biggest language in the world and Bangladesh is the 7th most populous country! These days the Jamaatis are claiming that Islam is an endangered religion and they are the ONLY saviours of the 'deen' in Bangladesh.
 
       Show me the instance of a forcibly imposed "state religion" in the 1000 years' Muslim rule in India!
 
        Secularism is an integral part of our own history, culture and civilization.  The idea of a State Religion is totally foreign, and a trick of evil-intentioned anti-human politics.
 
          We, Bengalis never had a State Religion in all the 800 years of Muslim rule of Bengal.           
 
           Hannan's trumpeting of the "religion of the majority" is based on the British colonialists' computing of people of Bengal (in 1872 census) by their professed faith.  It was a bogus census with evil imperialist intention of controlling people and looting the wealth of Bengal as a colony. 
 
            It is time to DISCARD this colonial basis of classifying general citizenry by their religion.
 
          Please folks! We have suffered enough! It is time we all wake up to the dangers of these 20th century FASCISTS engulfing the hopes and dreams of our 21st century.
 
          Farida Majid


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[ALOCHONA] What Obama Reads



What Obama Reads

In the photo here, Obama is spotted with a book penned by Fareed Zakaria, The Post-American World. Zakaria's book argues that a world order is emerging led by the authoritarian slave state China and India.
 
 
election politics   What Obama Reads
 
 
"Criticism of the book focused on certain assertions made by Zakaria, as well as the focus of the book mirroring back a ruling narrative to meet the needs of the global elite," a Wikipedia write-up notes.
 
It makes sense Zakaria is talking to the elite. He is one of their trusted minions.In addition to working as the editor of Newsweek International, Zakaria is a member of the Aspen Strategy Group, where he hangs out with insiders such as Brent Scowcroft, CFR president Richard Haass, and CFR member and former Clinton college roomate Strobe Talbott. Zakaria is a Bilderberg attendee, a senior staff member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and is a member of the Trilateral Commission. He was the editor of the CFR's house organ, Foreign Affairs.
 
It makes sense Obama is reading Zakaria. He is one of the leading intellectuals of the New World Order.
 



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[ALOCHONA] Pepe Escobar - Jundallah versus the mullahtariat



 

Oct 21, 2009 

THE ROVING EYE

Jundallah versus the mullahtariat

By Pepe Escobar

Asia Times

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KJ21Ak04.html

 

Fasten your seat belts; it's gonna be a bumpy ride. As a crucial subplot of the New Great Game in Eurasia, Balochistan - on both sides of the Iran-Pakistan border - promises turbulence aplenty. Welcome to United States General Stanley McChrystal's self-fulfillment prophecy - "Chaos-istan" in action.

 

There are few doubts the deadly (as many as 49 fatalities) suicide bombing on Sunday in Pishin, near Sarbaz, in the deserted, impoverished Iranian province of Sistan-Balochistan, was carried out by Pakistani Balochistan-based Jundallah ("Soldiers of God").

 

This is being billed by Iranian state-controlled media as the worst suicide bombing ever in the country. Key casualties include the number two of the armed forces of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), Brigadier Nour-Ali Shoushtari, a veteran of the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, the provincial IRGC commander and assorted Sunni and Shi'ite tribal leaders.

 

The IRGC - the key component of the dictatorship of the mullahtariat currently in power in Tehran - is seething, to say the least. It is one thing to repress student protests in Tehran; but how could they not see this coming, and how could they not prevent it, considering their allegedly good ground intelligence on Jundallah's support by the US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?

 

Ibrahim Raisi, the vice president of Iran's judiciary, says there's evidence the US and Britain support Jundallah not only with intelligence but with weapons. Conservative paper Resaalat denounces "Saudi money" and "American spies" who "have tried for years to raise ethnic tension in the region".

 

Tehran's paranoia does contain an element of truth: Iran is in effect encircled by the US in invaded Iraq and occupied Afghanistan, and it is a victim of terrorist attacks from outfits based in third countries. The head of the IRGC, General Mohammad-Ali Jafari, said that an Iranian team would go to Islamabad to "prove" that Jundallah was "supported by American and British intelligence services and unfortunately the Pakistani intelligence service".

 

Meet the new contras

Jundallah was founded in 2003 by Nek Mohammad Wazir - a top, charismatic Pakistani Taliban commander killed by Islamabad's forces in 2004. Its current leader is the youthful Abdel Malik Rigi, who studied at the famous Binori mosque in the southern Pakistani port city of Karachi, the alma mater of many a Taliban luminary.

 

Approximately 2,000 strong, Jundallah claims to represent the Sunni Balochi struggle against the centralizing power of Tehran. Nonsense: pan-Balochi aspirations actually are better represented by other Balochi nationalist groups, such as the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) in Pakistan. Jundallah for its part does not threaten Islamabad; it is an ultra-sectarian, anti-Shi'ite outfit immersed in the intolerant Deobandi interpretation of Islam.

 

Jundallah has its headquarters in Karachi and bases in both Balochistans. It does have a firm connection to the South Waziristan tribal areas; it has been connected to the hardcore Sunni and viscerally anti-Shi'ite Lashkar-e-Jhangvi; and is definitely tactically connected to al-Qaeda, "talking" if not to the historic leadership ensconced, in theory, in South Waziristan, at least to the "new generation" al-Qaeda.

 

It was Jundallah that, last December, perpetrated the first suicide bombing ever in Iran, after spending a few years basically practicing sabotage, kidnapping officials and killing border guards. In May, only three weeks before the Iranian presidential election, Jundallah raised the stakes with an attack on the top mosque in Zahedan, the largest city in the southern part of Sistan-Balochistan.

 

Islamabad - as always when it comes to anything regarding Balochistan - is perplexed. It never knew how to deal with Balochi separatist movements in the first place - apart from iron-clad repression. But as far as Jundallah is concerned, Islamabad did try, it handed over Rigi's brother, Abdul Hamid, to Tehran, branding Jundallah as a "terrorist organization", and always protesting its innocence of the outfit's designs.

 

Furthermore, in the middle of a sprawling, make-or-break offensive against the Mehsud tribe in Waziristan, the last thing Islamabad needs is diplomatic hell with regard to neighbor Iran. And there's the inescapable Pipelineistan angle - how will the Iran-Pakistan (IP) pipeline ever take off with both Balochistans on fire?

 

That inevitably brings out the US connection. Rigi's brother, condemned to death in Iran, gave an interview to Iranian Press TV a few months ago in which he confirmed direct links between the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Jundallah, not only in terms of support but with cash changing hands. The CIA during the George W Bush years always loved Jundallah's potential to cause havoc in eastern Iran. It's no secret that during Bush's second term, "regime change" in Iran was to be pursued by any means necessary.

 

Although no smoking gun is likely to arise, it makes sense - the CIA using Jundallah as a proxy army, the new "Balochi contras" (remember Nicaragua?) fighting "evil" Tehran. It's the same modus operandi of Washington's support for the Mujahideen-e-Khalq in Saddam Hussein's Iraq and disgruntled Sunni Arabs living in western Khuzestan (or "Arabistan") province, where the bulk of Iran's oil is located.

 

Cynics in Tehran, commenting on the suicide bombing, note the massive US aid package to Pakistan is seemingly being put to good use. But the Obama administration knows very well it needs Tehran to keep western Afghanistan stable. And this attack further complicates the already ultra-sensitive Iranian nuclear negotiations that were back on the table on Monday in Vienna. But one thing is the Obama administrations' priorities; another is the agenda of "full spectrum dominance" types at the Pentagon and the CIA.

 

Pipe nightmares

Then there's all-encompassing Pipelineistan. Chaos in Iranian Balochistan derails the IP pipeline - something that is an absolute priority for full spectrum dominance: Washington wants its horse, the Trans-Afghan (TAP) pipeline, to win at all costs. A "victory" of the IP pipeline means Gwadar port in Balochistan falling into China's orbit, not the US's (China built the port to start with).

 

For the Pentagon, the only acceptable scenario is to "win" Gwadar as a key node of Pipelineistan meeting the US empire of bases. (See Balochistan is the ultimate prize, Asia Times Online, May 9, 2009). There's a key, new US base in the Dasht-e-Margo desert in southern Afghanistan, a stone's throw from Pakistani Balochistan. There are another two US-controlled air bases in Dalbandin and Panjgur, in Pakistani Balochistan. Jundallah is resolutely anti-pipeline. It's easy to see which interests converge.

 

Although still negligible in terms of a strategic threat to Tehran, Jundallah gains weight when it becomes a component of a warped "vision" - a hardcore Sunni strategic corridor straddling Nangarhar province in eastern Afghanistan, the Khyber Agency in the Pakistani tribal areas, and Pakistani and Iranian Balochistan, with al-Qaeda as the glue. This is directly related to a recent "surge" of Balochis from Pakistan training in al-Qaeda camps in both North Waziristan and South Waziristan.

 

Tehran has many reasons to wonder whether the Pakistan army during the current, highly publicized offensive in South Waziristan will finally find and clear these camps. It won't be easy: Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) is on all-out fund-raising mode, demanding cash for weapons, food and medicine from assorted tribal politicians, businessmen, drug lords and jewelers, insisting the fight will be long. Only then will the Pakistan army's offensive in Waziristan really dovetail with strangling Jundallah.

 

On the other side of the border, the war is set: it's the IRGC against Jundallah and the massive drug trafficking in Sistan-Balochistan. But in terms of the turbulent, internal political equation in Iran, the symbolic meaning of the suicide bombing could not be more devastating.

 

It paints the IRGC - the key pillar of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's military dictatorship - as weak and incompetent, capable of beating up students in urban Tehran but incapable of controlling the country's porous borders. Full spectrum dominance types could not dream of a better outcome.

 

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His new book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

 

He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com

 

 



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Re: [ALOCHONA] The Father of "Crossfire in Bangladesh?



Thank you dear great BAL supporter. OK I did not know that Sheikh Mujib got training for crossfire from the Razakars and Al Badr.
I am not shedding any tears for Siraj Sikder. Whether he was a killer or not that was a legal issue. If someone abides by the rule of law, Siraj Sikder should not have sent to crossfire. It was your great leader Sheikh Mujib who did not have any respect for rule of law. Therefore, he found only solution "extra judicial killing". He also ordered killing of more than 30,000 JSD workers. Anyway, there is something called "natural justice" and through that process this "Danob" was eleminated.
 
SH
Toronto
 

 


From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 12:36:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Who Pioneered "Crossfire in Bangladesh?

 

Dear Sajjad Hossain

Well if he did he must have learnt it from the Al Badrs and Al Shams Razakars and their foreign masters who refined it onto an art alongwith with total deniability! !!

 

Cross fire/encounter killings/extra judicial murders are a long standing tradition in the subcontinent. From Peshawar to Chittagong from Delhi to the tip of Sri Lanka!

 

I am curious at your shedding of crocodile tears at the death of Siraj Shikder the naxalite and a firm believer in the politics of annihilation. Do you really think he would shown you any mercy to hardcore communalists like you if he had ever come to power.

 

If you really do I want some of your Kool Aid!

 

Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Sajjad Hossain
Sent: Oct 18, 2009 11:19 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Who Pioneered "Crossfire in Bangladesh?

 

Crossfire or extra-judicial killings are now-a-days very common practice among the so-called law enforcers.
However, when it was pioneered in the history of Bangladesh? The historical facts show that it was Bangabondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman ever first introduced
"Crossfire" in Bangladesh. The first victim of his Crossfire was Siraj Shikder. After his brutal killing, the so-called "Jatir Pita" shouted in the Parliament "Where is Siraj Shikder Now?". What a Pita who sent his son to be tortured and brutally killed!
 
SH
Toronto






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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pakistan Army Headquarter Seize Ends: What about Hasina style



Dear Shumon - I understand you are trying to make a case for your man the arch traitor Golam Azam's son. No problem with that you need to do what you need to do.

 

But  dont say that the Pakistan Army crushed the terrorists strong handedly. They did not! they only turned on their pets after there was tremendous pressure borne on them by US and increasing audacity of the attacks. The double game of running with hares and hunting with the hounds continues albeit with some restraint and more transparency than before.

 

Even their operational handling of the GHQ attack has come under cticism from a military experts. See below

 

I will concede that compared to BD military and Indian Military's handling of Peelkhana and the Bombay, Pak Army command & control response was much better. There are many reasons for that I am sure being defacto rulers helped in no small measure there are no bloody civilians to deal with. Not to speak off hogging 70 percent of the budget and concurrent significant chunks of Pakistan's GDP for the last 60 years. With that kind of resources even the dumbest organization could have done much better in keeping the country intact than the Pakistanis have done.  

http://pakistan-observer.blogspot.com/2009/10/ghq-attack-serious-questions-ah-amin.html 

Increase the level of discourse from just brawl level and dont think your interlocutors are idiots and will accept any thing you say without thinking.

 

Robin Khundkar

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shumon Ahmed
Sent: Oct 18, 2009 6:37 PM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com, khabor@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pakistan Army Headquarter Seize Ends: What about Hasina style

 

Again a big lie. Golam Azam's son served in the military for 30 years. In 30 years, didn't break the law for even once. Earned respect from colleagues for professionalism. Sk Hasina soon after gaining the power of Bangladesh within 3 months she made the terror hot spot in Bangladesh, 30 years a long time to test someone.
Pakistan strong handedly crushed the terrorists while your leader Sk Hasina had a wonderful connection with the terrorists of Pilkhana. Her nephew gave the terrorists a way out of Pilkhana wile her golden boys the great terrors serving in a so callled democratic government Mirza Azam and Nater guru Guru Nanak were busy killing the military officials. Do you know the fact that on the earth at this moment only two known terrorists are in the cabinet of any government and they are - Nanak and Azam?
 
 
 

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, ShamimC <veirsmill@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ShamimC <veirsmill@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pakistan Army Headquarter Seize Ends: What about Hasina style
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 3:27 PM

 

Think what would happen if Golam Azams son were still in the army, a known Taliban supporter would lead the attack. God saved our country by ousting him from the army.

 

Pakistani story is different, more or less all Pakistani governments are part of talibani regime. Pakistan chooses to share their bed with terrorist since its emancipation as nation and will continue to do so until its total destruction.

Shamim Chowdhury

Maryland, USA
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> Paki leadership ( I am not sure if one exists) have done a good job. They have done an excellent job right after Pilkhana incident in a police compound where thugs attacked the Pakistani Police Cadets. Remember the Pakistani security forces didn't deal with the rebels they dealt with the suicide squad.
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