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Those who believe or sermonize that Marxism has failed reflect nothing but pompous ignorance. They may note than two-thirds of Marx's works (inGerman, Fench, Russian, English etc) were not published in the 20th Century.
SR

Natural Science Notes of Marx and Engels (1877 to 1883) - Part 1(http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2001/msg05490.html)

 
Pradip Baksi, translator of "Karl Marx: Mathematical Manuscripts", is one of the foremost authorities on
Marx and Engels living today. Below, in several parts, is a very recent article by him titled: "The Natural
Science Excerpts and Notes of Marx and Engels:  from the middle of 1877 to the beginning of 1883 (MEGA IV/31 -- A Review".
 
From this article it becomes clear that the popular conception of a supposed division of labor between
Marx (political economy) and Engels (natural science) is actually a misconception. Marx and Engels were not fragmented, narrow-minded, Eurocentric thinkers – they were concerned with the process of development (natural science and human history) of the whole world. To quote from the last part of Baksi's article.
 
"Marx and Engels lived and worked in many countries of Europe: in Germany, France, Belgium and England. Since the 1840s they developed an international perspective. This influenced their work. This is especially true of Marx. It appears from the various volumes of the MEGA and from a survey of the still unpublished notes and manuscripts preserved at Amsterdam and Moscow, that Marx not only studied a large number of disciplines like law, philosophy, history, political economy, technology, agriculture, chemistry, physics, geology, mathematics, physiology, ethnology etc., he also studied the history and conditions of a large number of countries such as Germany, France, England, Ireland, Scandinavia, Poland, Russia, the Balkans, Italy, Spain, the USA, the Latin Americas, Algeria, India, China etc. The legacy of Marx is founded upon and consists of these studies. The contemporary students of Marx and fighters for socialism are required to take off from these horizons of encyclopaedic depth and width."
 
Please note the word "encyclopaedic". In this list, superficial and ignorant comments have been made on
Marx's supposed racism and ignorance of pre-capitalist societies. Such writers should realise, now especially with the on-going MEGA project, that Marx never studied any subject superficially (Engels has also commented on this aspect). Another example: contrary to popular academic opinion (both Western and Indian) about Marx's supposed ignorance of India (for evidence of which the famous 1850 NYDT articles are cited), Marx studied India for over 4 decades almost to the end of his life. According to Marx, slavery and feudalism (in the western European sense) never existed in India. In order to grapple with the very
complex nature of pre-British Indian society, Marx used the term "Asiatic Mode of Production". The AMP
has been criticized by many subsequent historians and scholars. However, according to Baksi (who has a
profound knowledge of Indian history, religion and society), the AMP fits India (and also to some extent
the societies of Latin America before the Spanish conquest). How many of us know that Marx credited Manu (codifier of the Indian caste system) with the labour theory of value? How many of us have read Marx's later extracts on India from the work of the Russian historian Kovalevsky? If time permits, I may, in the future, post on the controversial AMP and India.     
According to Baksi, only 1/3 of Marx's writings have been published in the last century. So we have a
partial understanding of Marx. Reading Marx in the original German gives a different flavor than reading
him in translated English. The translation has also caused some distortion. This also reflects on the
current hegemony and fragmentary viewpoint of Anglo-American Marxism (a majority of the references
cited by Baksi are non-English). One also wonders if scholars like John Bellamy Foster (author of 'Marx's
Ecology'), David Harvey, and those of Monthly Review, have access to/are reading the MEGA volumes,
especially those relating to science and technology.
It will be a real service if these volumes will one day be translated into English for a global audience.
Before we, from our pedestrian levels, throw stones, let us remember this: Karl Marx was a giant - the
greatest mind ever produced by western civilization. But he transcends the west and belongs to the whole
world.    
Sid
 
------------------------------------------------
The Natural Science Excerpts and Notes of Marx and Engels: from the middle of 1877 to the beginning of
1883 (MEGA IV/31)  -- A Review
 
Pradlp Baksi
 
 
KarlMarx/Friedrich Engels: Gesamtausgabe (MEGA).
Herausgegeben von der Internationalen Marx-Engels-Stiftung, Amsterdam. IV Abteilung: 
Exzerpte, Notizen, Marginalien. Band 31: Naturwissenschaftliche Exzerpte und Notizen. Mitte
1877 bis Anfang 1883. Bearbeitet von Annèliese Griese, Friederun Fessen. Peter Jäckel und Gerd
Pawelzig.Berlin Akademie Verlag <e-mail info @ akademie-verlag.de>. 1999. In Zwei Ha1bbänder. Text:
XVI, 614S.; Apparat: S. 615-1055; 22 Abb. DM 298. ISBN
3-05-003399-1.
 
MEGA IV/31 consists of two books Text and Apparat (text-critical Apparatus). The texts are divided into
two parts. Part I contains Marx?s incomplete excerpts and notes on inorganic and organic chemistry and.
electricity (pp. 3-473). Part 11 contains Engels? excerpts and notes on parts of physics and ecology
(pp. 475-614). The text-critical Apparatus contains a general introduction to the volume: separate
introductions to the sub-sections of the texts: inventories of variant readings, corrections and
comments ? everywhere indicating the corresponding page and line number of the text; a name index;
indexes of the literature used by the authors and, the editors; finally, a subject index (pp. 615-1055). The
technical standards of editing and production are veritable examples for others to follow.
 
MEGA IV/31 provides new materials related to the hitherto little noticed natural science studies of
Marx and, some materials related to Engels? Dialectics of Nature. These materials are of interest for the
study of the interrelationships of the natural and social sciences of 19th century, and, through them,
for the study of the relations of the sciences with the modern movement for socialism. But before we go
into the texts of MEGA IV/31 and their contexts, a few words about the MEGA itself.
 
(This is a part only)

 


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Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি



Those who believe or sermonize that Marxism has failed reflect nothing but pompous ignorance. They may note than two-thirds of Marx's works (inGerman, Fench, Russian, English etc) were not published in the 20th Century.
SR

Natural Science Notes of Marx and Engels (1877 to 1883) - Part 1(http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2001/msg05490.html)

 
Pradip Baksi, translator of "Karl Marx: Mathematical Manuscripts", is one of the foremost authorities on
Marx and Engels living today. Below, in several parts, is a very recent article by him titled: "The Natural
Science Excerpts and Notes of Marx and Engels:  from the middle of 1877 to the beginning of 1883 (MEGA IV/31 -- A Review".
 
From this article it becomes clear that the popular conception of a supposed division of labor between
Marx (political economy) and Engels (natural science) is actually a misconception. Marx and Engels were not fragmented, narrow-minded, Eurocentric thinkers – they were concerned with the process of development (natural science and human history) of the whole world. To quote from the last part of Baksi's article.
 
"Marx and Engels lived and worked in many countries of Europe: in Germany, France, Belgium and England. Since the 1840s they developed an international perspective. This influenced their work. This is especially true of Marx. It appears from the various volumes of the MEGA and from a survey of the still unpublished notes and manuscripts preserved at Amsterdam and Moscow, that Marx not only studied a large number of disciplines like law, philosophy, history, political economy, technology, agriculture, chemistry, physics, geology, mathematics, physiology, ethnology etc., he also studied the history and conditions of a large number of countries such as Germany, France, England, Ireland, Scandinavia, Poland, Russia, the Balkans, Italy, Spain, the USA, the Latin Americas, Algeria, India, China etc. The legacy of Marx is founded upon and consists of these studies. The contemporary students of Marx and fighters for socialism are required to take off from these horizons of encyclopaedic depth and width."
 
Please note the word "encyclopaedic". In this list, superficial and ignorant comments have been made on
Marx's supposed racism and ignorance of pre-capitalist societies. Such writers should realise, now especially with the on-going MEGA project, that Marx never studied any subject superficially (Engels has also commented on this aspect). Another example: contrary to popular academic opinion (both Western and Indian) about Marx's supposed ignorance of India (for evidence of which the famous 1850 NYDT articles are cited), Marx studied India for over 4 decades almost to the end of his life. According to Marx, slavery and feudalism (in the western European sense) never existed in India. In order to grapple with the very
complex nature of pre-British Indian society, Marx used the term "Asiatic Mode of Production". The AMP
has been criticized by many subsequent historians and scholars. However, according to Baksi (who has a
profound knowledge of Indian history, religion and society), the AMP fits India (and also to some extent
the societies of Latin America before the Spanish conquest). How many of us know that Marx credited Manu (codifier of the Indian caste system) with the labour theory of value? How many of us have read Marx's later extracts on India from the work of the Russian historian Kovalevsky? If time permits, I may, in the future, post on the controversial AMP and India.     
According to Baksi, only 1/3 of Marx's writings have been published in the last century. So we have a
partial understanding of Marx. Reading Marx in the original German gives a different flavor than reading
him in translated English. The translation has also caused some distortion. This also reflects on the
current hegemony and fragmentary viewpoint of Anglo-American Marxism (a majority of the references
cited by Baksi are non-English). One also wonders if scholars like John Bellamy Foster (author of 'Marx's
Ecology'), David Harvey, and those of Monthly Review, have access to/are reading the MEGA volumes,
especially those relating to science and technology.
It will be a real service if these volumes will one day be translated into English for a global audience.
Before we, from our pedestrian levels, throw stones, let us remember this: Karl Marx was a giant - the
greatest mind ever produced by western civilization. But he transcends the west and belongs to the whole
world.    
Sid
 
------------------------------------------------
The Natural Science Excerpts and Notes of Marx and Engels: from the middle of 1877 to the beginning of
1883 (MEGA IV/31)  -- A Review
 
Pradlp Baksi
 
 
KarlMarx/Friedrich Engels: Gesamtausgabe (MEGA).
Herausgegeben von der Internationalen Marx-Engels-Stiftung, Amsterdam. IV Abteilung: 
Exzerpte, Notizen, Marginalien. Band 31: Naturwissenschaftliche Exzerpte und Notizen. Mitte
1877 bis Anfang 1883. Bearbeitet von Annèliese Griese, Friederun Fessen. Peter Jäckel und Gerd
Pawelzig.Berlin Akademie Verlag <e-mail info @ akademie-verlag.de>. 1999. In Zwei Ha1bbänder. Text:
XVI, 614S.; Apparat: S. 615-1055; 22 Abb. DM 298. ISBN
3-05-003399-1.
 
MEGA IV/31 consists of two books Text and Apparat (text-critical Apparatus). The texts are divided into
two parts. Part I contains Marx?s incomplete excerpts and notes on inorganic and organic chemistry and.
electricity (pp. 3-473). Part 11 contains Engels? excerpts and notes on parts of physics and ecology
(pp. 475-614). The text-critical Apparatus contains a general introduction to the volume: separate
introductions to the sub-sections of the texts: inventories of variant readings, corrections and
comments ? everywhere indicating the corresponding page and line number of the text; a name index;
indexes of the literature used by the authors and, the editors; finally, a subject index (pp. 615-1055). The
technical standards of editing and production are veritable examples for others to follow.
 
MEGA IV/31 provides new materials related to the hitherto little noticed natural science studies of
Marx and, some materials related to Engels? Dialectics of Nature. These materials are of interest for the
study of the interrelationships of the natural and social sciences of 19th century, and, through them,
for the study of the relations of the sciences with the modern movement for socialism. But before we go
into the texts of MEGA IV/31 and their contexts, a few words about the MEGA itself.
 
(to be continued)

 






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"Marxism in America" by Lt. Gen. (Ret.) W.G. Boykin:


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  1. Marxist America | Young Americans for Liberty

    www.yaliberty.org/yar/marxist-america
    Marxist America. Has The Communist Manifesto replaced the Constitution? By: George Hawley When the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union imploded two ...
Has The Communist Manifesto replaced the Constitution? [US Constitution]

By: George Hawley
The peaceful death of the Soviet Empire did not necessarily indicate the demise of Marxism as a force in the world. In fact, a strong case can be made that the United States is more Marxist now than ever before. It is true that a socialist revolution did not occur, as Marx predicted, via an apocalyptic struggle between workers and the bourgeoisie, but a socialist revolution of sorts nonetheless occurred. To those who believe Marxism has been relegated to "the dustbin of history," I can only point to the words of Marx himself. The world we inhabit is not so different from the one Marx envisioned.

In 1848, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels published The Communist Manifestoimage, which provided an introduction to the Marxist theory of "historical materialism" and famously provided the clarion call, "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workers of the world unite!" The world remembers Marx's sharpest phrases, as well as the mountain of corpses his disciples constructed in the subsequent 140 years. More frequently forgotten, however, are the specific policies Marx promoted in his seminal work. Section II of the Manifesto explicitly declared what the Communists sought to achieve. Even a cursory examination of the United States today refutes the notion that Marxism is an exhausted intellectual force.

The ten program points from The Communist Manifesto:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

Although Americans still enjoy basic property rights, the state's power of eminent domain (reinforced in 2005 by the Supreme Court case Kelo v. City of New London) ensures that our right to our own property is subject to the state's whims. Zoning laws determine how property may be used. Heavy property taxes require you to pay what amounts to an annual rent on land you ostensibly own. Yes, you may own property, but only if the state does not think that property can put it to better use and only if you can afford to keep paying the state for the privilege.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The Constitution's 16th Amendment, ratified in 1913, provides the federal government the power to levy an individual income tax. As Marx wanted, that income tax is highly progressive and redistributive. The top earners in the United States pay a far higher tax rate—up to 35 percent of their income—than the rest of the population.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Although all rights of inheritance have not been abolished, the federal government and several of the states impose large estate taxes – called "death taxes" by opponents. When Americans die, much of their accumulated wealth is simply confiscated by government rather than being inherited by their descendants. The federal estate tax goes as high as 45 percent—and of course, if the estate is not liquid, the inability of heirs to pay the tax in cash can result in the loss of property. This is another way family businesses and childhood homes get taken away.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

As the United States has not experienced a massive exodus of wealth, this is not presently a major issue. But if America's economic decline continues, and people with means rationally decide to leave the country, do not be surprised if this Marxist notion finds a new multitude of proponents. Already the United States employs the highly unusual practice of taxing its citizens who live abroad.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913. The Federal Reserve is America's central bank. Although privately owned banks still exist, the Fed sets interest rates, regulates private banks, provides financial services for the U.S. government, and controls the money supply. Although our system of public and private cooperation is more convoluted than Marx might have imagined, the Federal Reserve has much more in common with Marx's vision than with a truly free banking system.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

The Federal Communications Commission, established in 1934, grants television and radio licenses and has broad regulatory powers. Thanks to new technologies, the government's ability to influence our communications and media consumption has taken a blow in recent years. Nonetheless, the expansion of NSA wiretapping powers, efforts to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine," and FCC demands that the media take steps to "promote diversity" make it clear that the state is not about to abide truly free communication. What's more, if passed, the recently introduced "Cybersecurity Act of 2009" will grant the federal government broad powers to censor free speech on the internet and violate internet-users' privacy rights if the president declares, for whatever reason, a "cybersecurity emergency." The FCC also seems to be moving closer to regulating the Internet under the guise of "net neutrality."

Meanwhile, the United States Department of Transportation, created by Congress in 1966, has broad powers to regulate transportation and create highways. Offices within the Department of Transportation include the Federal Aviation Administration (thank the FAA the next time you experience arbitrary hassles at the airport), the Federal Highway Administration, and the Federal Railroad Administration. Most means of transportation not controlled and maintained by the federal government are controlled and regulated by the states. Marx would be pleased.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

One of the less publicized consequences of the recent auto industry "bailouts" is the degree to which the government now has much broader powers to influence decisions made by American car manufacturers. The federal government owns majority shares in General Motors. The distinction between public and private is being slowly eroded thanks to our current economic crisis.

Although most major American industries are still under private ownership, it cannot be understated the degree to which Big Business and Big Government are in bed with each other. Rent-seeking runs rampant and appears to be getting worse over time, regardless of which party controls Congress or the White House. Furthermore, President Eisenhower's warning about the "military-industrial complex" is more relevant today than ever—defense contractors are dependent upon, in some ways as good as owned by, the federal government, while they in turn as good as own many congressmen. It is true that our current corporatist arrangements are not Marxist per se, but it would be equally erroneous to say the United States enjoys a truly free market.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Mercifully, our nation's leaders have (so far) ignored this particular suggestion.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

Again, we have not witnessed such a development, and it is unlikely that we ever will. If anything, our population is more crowded into major urban centers than ever before.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

Both demands have been met. Education is not only "free" (that is, paid for with other people's tax dollars) but compulsory. For most of America's history, public education was generally decentralized, with the most important decisions regarding policy and curriculum made at the local and state level. This is increasingly less the case. Although conservatives once promised to abolish the Department of Education, President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act pushed us perilously close toward complete nationalization of K-12 education.

The end of the Cold War and the fall of the Soviet Union was a great strike against tyranny, but it did not signal the end of Marxism. Although totalitarian communism is not the threat to human freedom it once was, we continue to move unabatedly toward greater collectivism and centralization. The United States bears a closer resemblance to Marx's "utopian" vision than most Americans care to acknowledge. Marx was mistaken about the means required to meet his ends; we now know that socialism can be realized without a bloody revolution. As the great economist Joseph Schumpeter pointed out, socialism is also perfectly compatible with democracy—an insight further reinforced by the American public's apparent acceptance of many Marxist policies.

One thing remains unchanged: Marxism is incompatible with liberty. This is true even if Marxist goals are achieved incrementally and democratically rather than through blood-soaked insurgencies. The increasing centralization of power in Washington, D.C. is a threat to our prosperity and all of our fundamental freedoms. Although Marxism remains a relevant intellectual force, anti-Marxist scholarship remains equally relevant. Socialism unfortunately survived the Cold War, but the anti-socialist critiques of Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and Murray Rothbard are no less valid than they were at the time they were written. Centralized government control of our nation's economy and basic infrastructure is no less problematic than it was a century ago—a fact reinforced every time the state's "solutions" to our economic troubles only makes things worse.

Most conservatives and many libertarians were content to rest on their laurels when the Soviet Union fell; they assumed America's triumph signaled the victory of freedom over Marxism. They were wrong. Marxism is very much alive. Many Marxist policies are now so thoroughly institutionalized that few American politicians and pundits dare challenge them. In 2008, the American electorate was given the choice between two socialist visions that differed only at the margins. Despite a few hopeful signs, such as the recent "Tea Party" demonstrations, it is clear that freedom advocates still have a long road ahead of them.

George Hawley [hawley.gs@gmail.com] is a graduate student at the University of Houston.

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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:22 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I have not yet read the article by Dr. Avijit Roy on Marxism although I have read the main pints in his article indirectly by reading the review (or criticism) of his article by Daruchini Dweep. No doubt Avijit's article must be a well thought and well written article. The article by Daruchini Dweep is an article enriched by powerful analysis and relevant and updated data. Looks like he is in the trade and has studied the subject consistently and persistently with an open mind for a prolonged period. Personally I know a very little about the subject. Whatever I know is what I read in my student life. Even after 40 years and with little knowledge I cannot say very confidently that this theoretical system comprised of a philosophy, an economic, and a political theory can be readily dumped as Shah Saheb has done. 

I believe in Muktomona our assertions should not be faith based. Every assertion should be based on logic, data, and analysis. 

Daruchini Dweep has challenged Dr. Avijit Roy with due respect and thereby has given him the opportunity to further equip himself with clearer understanding of the subject. This is how the discourse can be fruitful and every one in the subject will be profited. 
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On Nov 15, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external>shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
Good plot with some pointed questions. If you read it few more times and tighten the text, it will flow far better! Thank you.

It is great that people have started questioning these clowns, who still might be dreaming about the free caviar and vodka days of Moscow without realizing that the emperor got no clothes.

-SD   

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:44 PM, daruchini dip <daruchinidip6@gmail.com" target='_blank' rel=external>daruchinidip6@gmail.com> wrote:
 
প্রিয় মডারেটর, আমি মুক্ত মনায় কিভাবে লেখা পাঠাতে হয় সেই পেজ পড়ে এই
লেখাটার চেষ্টা করেছি। আমি আপনার ব্লগে দারুচিনি দ্বীপ নামে মন্তব্য করে
থাকি। আমি http://mukto-mona.com/bangla_blog/?p=37992 এই লেখাটা আর কিছু
মন্তব্য পড়ে, একজন কে উত্তর দিতে গিয়েই লেখা আকারে দেয়ার চেষ্টা করেছি।

আমি জানি না যে লেখার শিরোনাম কি মেইলের সাব্জেক্ট হিসাবে ইউজ করতে হয়
নাকি, নিজে যে নামে মন্তব্য করছি সেই নাম। আমার এই সিমাবধতাকে
ক্ষমাসুন্দর দৃষ্টিতে দেখার অনুরোধ রাখছি। নিচে শিরোনাম সহ লেখাটা দিলাম,
আর লেখার শেষে আমার নিক নেমের সাক্ষর। বিনীত

দারুচিনি দ্বীপ


মার্ক্সবাদী দের প্রতি

( মার্ক্সবাদের সপক্ষে নামক লেখায় কিছু মার্ক্সবাদীদের; বিশেষ করে
সুব্রত সরকার কে প্রশ্ন করতে গিয়ে ভাবলাম যে লেখা আকারে দেবার চেষ্টা
করি)

প্রথমে একটা প্রশ্ন দিয়ে শুরু । কিছু মানুষ আজকাল ধুয়া তোলে, "পুঁজিবাদ,
সমাজতন্ত্র বুঝিনা, আমি চাই মানুষের পেটে ভাত থাক"! খুবই ভাল কথা সন্দেহ
নেই, কিন্তু এর বাস্তবতা কতখানি

আপনি নিজে যদি একবেলা পেটভরে খাবার খান, তবে যে অন্য আরেকজন কে বঞ্চিত
করেই খাবারটা খাচ্ছেন এটা বোঝেন কি? যেখানে দুনিয়াতে বিলিওন মানুষ না
খেয়ে থাকে আর বিনা চিকিৎসায় ধুকে ধুকে মরে, সেখানে আপনি যদি ৩ বেলা শুধু
মাত্র ভাত খেয়েও থাকেন তবু কি সেটা স্বার্থপরতা নয়? আপনি কি আরেকজন কে
বঞ্চিত করেই খাবারটা খাচ্ছেন না? একটু পৃথিবীর মোট জিডিপি কে জনসঙ্খ্যা
দিয়ে ভাগ করেই দেখুন না যে ১% এর সম্পদ কেড়ে নিলেই কি বাকি ৯৯% এর পেট
ভরে যাবে?

সেখানে কিছু প্রত্যক্ষ এবং পরোক্ষ মারক্সিস্ট শুধু যে ৩ বেলা খাবার খান
তা নয়, শীত কালে খুবই আরামদায়ক পোশাক পড়েন, অনেকের হয়ত গাড়িও আছে। যেখানে
কত লোক কঠিন শীতের ভেতরে খালি গায়ে ফুটপাতে শুয়ে হিহি করে কাঁপছে, আর
মৃত্যুর প্রহর গোনার পাশাপাশি এই বসে আছে যে কখন কেউ তাদের একটা গরম
কাপড় দিয়ে যাবে?

তাহলে এখানে আপনারা নিজেরা এত আরাম করেন, আর মুখে সমানাধিকারের বুলি
আওড়ান, কিন্তু কাজের কাজ কতটা করছেন এখানে?

আধুনিক পুঁজিবাদের এই বিরাট যদি দাঁড়িয়ে থাকে লক্ষ কোটি মানুষের অদৃশ্য
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Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি




Dr Subimal Chakrabarty has very correctly stated that Marxism should not be the state principle. Marx, Rabindranath Tagore too, had been opposed to state.In a letter to Dr Ludwig Kugelman, he wrote on 12/4/1871,"If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it, and this is essential for every real people's revolution on the Continent. And this is what our heroic Party comrades in Paris are attempting." Rabindranath's ideation of coveted social order is encapsulated in his lyric- "আমরা সবাই রাজা আমাদের এই রাজার রাজত্বে/নইলে মোদের রাজার সনে মিলব কি সত্বে?

And Marx's works are a jungle. From the IISH, Amsterdam 114 volumes of works of Marx and Engels, their notes, letters (to and fro) in original languages (Marx wrote one of the manuscripts of Capital Vol II in French); 57 of them have been published. In fact, I too have written an introductory on the project MEGA in kafila.org, I wrote in one of the mails here.
Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology.
Here is one on Math Manuscripts by Pradip Baksi (http://cfcul.fc.ul.pt/varios/Karl_Marx_small.pdf) , one of the most erudite scholars in not only on Marx and Engels, but linguistics, philosophy. He was the first to translate Math Manuscripts into Bengali and English. Interested members/netizens may write to Pradip - pradipbaksi@gmail.com -asking for his papers, although that's a huge repository.
Best,
SR





From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:57:59
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি
 

One may preach some thing and practice some thing else. It applies to any political ideology. Marxism and a Marxist are not synonymous in the same way as Islam and an Islamist are not. It would be illogical to blame Islam if an Islamist Madrassa principal rapes a young boy. The question that should be asked is if Marxism teaches a Marxist to mock the poverty of the poor by building a palace near a slum. 

I don't think any one in this forum wants Marxism to be the state principle. The primary objective here is to engage in intellectual intellectual exercise which is not easy at all as the Marxist literature is a vast jungle. 

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On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:07 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.


>>>>>>>>>>> (Except a tiny percentage) Leftists of Bangladesh are no different. They "sell" idea to make money and it is probably the "Best sounding idea" of our time. A nice debate can take place if we should focus on "Equal treatment" or "Justified treatment" of all people.

Status of people can be equal but talent/skills/knowledge varies with people and even societies.

Shalom!



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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Cc: bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

 
With no malice to Marx or his philosophy, I was only trying mock some diehard clowns, who still love to cling onto the ideas that have been rejected and discarded by the ordinary people and naive proletariat. I am sure there are some intrinsic academic values in Marx's economical philosophy and that is truly great for the development of our human society. But, I would not stretch it beyond that. Marxists should practice their philosophy  as much as they want but I do not want that POS to be applied in my backyard. I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.
 -SD

"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss


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