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Friday, October 28, 2011

[ALOCHONA] Sindh permits Non Moslim Medical Students



Minority student allowed to take MBBS entry test

By Tahir Siddiqui | From the Newspaper

Sagar Ladhani, who completed his O and A levels, assailed the condition of studying Islamiat at O level to get an equivalence certificate from the local education board to appear in the forthcoming entrance test for MBBS admissions to medical colleges and institutions. – File Photo by AFP

KARACHI: The Sindh High Court on Friday provisionally allowed a religious minority student to appear in the forthcoming placement test for MBBS admission to the Dow University of Health Sciences.

Sagar Ladhani, who completed his O and A levels, assailed the condition of studying Islamiat at O level to get an equivalence certificate from the local education board to appear in the forthcoming entrance test for MBBS admissions to medical colleges and institutions.

A division bench headed by Chief Justice Mushir Alam put off the hearing of his petition to Nov 15 when the rights of the petitioner would be determined.

The petitioner stated that the subjects of religious studies, prescribed in the O level syllabus, were Islamic Religious Culture and Islamiat for Muslim students and Religious Studies and Bible for Christian students. However, he added, there was no subject in the O level curriculum for the students belonging to other religious minorities, including the Hindus.

He submitted that when he approached the Board of Intermediate Education to obtain an equivalence certificate of A level, he was told that it could be granted to him only if he had passed Religious Studies at O level or Ethics at the Secondary School Certificate (SSC) exams.

He said he was unable to apply to the DUHS for appearing in the forthcoming entrance test for MBBS admission, as the education board declined to grant him the equivalence certificate as required by the university.

The student was told by the education board that he would not be granted an equivalence certificate unless he passed the SSC examination of Ethics that was scheduled to be held in 2012.

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TURKMAN:

Its a great news for Non Moslim Pakistanis that Apartheid Pakistan's one province has now permitted them to go to Medical Colleges. And what were they protesting about in the West? ... Oh Islamophobia that has not restricted anything so far yet for Moslims except forcing Moslim Females to wear Veil in 3 countries. Yes sir, Religious and Human Rights of our greatest, most tolerant Civilization and Culture are being violated by un-civilized Blood Thirsty Savage Christians in the West.






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Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom



This guy, q.a. rahman, may be cryptic!  According to Sura al-Tawba, the non muslims are offered to chose between death or submission.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

My "Personal" opinion is Islam has a solution for all people ( Even those who do not practice Islam). Over the history Islam has shown how they can be protected without sacrificing ideals of Islam. ----- Q. Rahman
 
You have cited some good verses from the Quran and Hadith. They are all well and good. But, in your statement above, you said non-believers can be "protected" without sacrificing ideals of Islam. This statement says it all. Non-believers are your sacred property (Dhimmi) and you are supposed to protect them as you protect your other properties. This is the Quranic prescription for non-believers. Is this how you intend to give them their birth-rights?
 
As you know – Quran and other religious scriptures are full of contradictions. One verse says – do this, the other verse says don't do that. As a result, people get opportunity to use religious scriptures to their advantages to justify their heinous acts. Unfortunately, that's what is happening in this world. But, with your naivety, you will not be able to fathom it. You are trying to mold your arguments to fit your belief. Practicality is quite different.
 
Contradictions in the religious scriptures are quite natural phenomena, in my view, since these books were written over a long period by people with second/third/fourth/…. hand knowledge of the actual facts. As a result, they are not as precise as you believe them to be. I say - take these points into consideration as you read your religious scriptures. I take these points into consideration while reading my religious books. The bottom line is - even though these books are not written by God, there are many hidden treasures in those books.
 
Jiten Roy
 
 

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom

 
In any case, Jogen Mondal being foolish or not, the Hindus that he represented, and the other Hindus and non-Hindus that he did not necessarily represent, had a birthright on the land. For Bangladesh to be an honorable and decent nation, it necessarily has to separate Islam from the business of the state, and treat all religious groups with equal respect.

>>>>>>> While I agree with the spirit of the statement you made ( Hindus have a birth right to be treated with fairness in Bangladesh). I don't think Islam is the problem here. Rather some greedy Muslims. It may amuse you to know that, Allah (SWT) even spoke about hypocrites who speak about Allah (SWT) and Islam but ONLY work for his/her own interest in several places.

My "Personal" opinion is Islam has a solution for all people ( Even those who do not practice Islam). Over the history Islam has shown how they can be protected without sacrificing ideals of Islam. Let me share a verse from The noble Qur'an...

And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

[ Source: The noble Qur'an (English by Yusuf Ali) chapter 2:78-79]

Also Hadith Al-Qudsi spoke about hypocrites who claims to be Muslims but Allah (SWT) knows what is in their hearts..


Hadith Qudsi 6:

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) say:

The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them. [ The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied - you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.

[Another] will be a man who has studied [religious] knowledge and has taught it and who used to recite the Quran. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I studied [religious] knowledge and I taught it and I recited the Quran for Your sake. He will say: You have lied - you did but study [religious] knowledge that it might be said [of you]: He is learned. And you recited the Quran that it might be said [of you]: He is a reciter. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.

[Another] will be a man whom Allah had made rich and to whom He had given all kinds of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I left no path [untrodden] in which You like money to be spent without spending in it for Your sake. He will say: You have lied - you did but do so that it might be said [of you]: He is open-handed. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.
It was related by Muslim (also by at-Tirmidhi and an-Nasa'i).

I am only sharing these Islamic scriptures, so you understand that our Maker knows our nature no matter how much some of us tries to hide it from the mass. He also gave clear instructions about hypocrites and those who abuse the name Islam to promote their own interests instead of serving humankind.

The bottom line is you are welcome to agree or disagree. However in order to judge Islam ( Or any religion for that matter), we need to study authentic history and scriptures of that religion. Just like we cannot study Christianity by looking at Hitler ( We need to study the Bible).

Unfortunately most people in Bangladesh are not well educated about Islam. They often follow some social practices and superstitions thinking it is Islam but often we see there is a difference between practice and what Islam says.

While I do understand where you are coming from ( From your experience with religion). I look at it a little differently. I think we (Muslims of Bangladesh) are often bad examples of Islam. Therefore, it would be fair to judge Islam based of it's authentic teaching than taking some political organizations as a representative of this global faith. Lastly I like to share what prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sanctioned for Christians of his time. Which will show that, even 1400 years ago Islam gave rights and privileges to non-Muslims along with Muslims.

PROPHET MUHAMMAD'S
CHARTER OF PRIVILEGES TO CHRISTIANS
LETTER TO THE MONKS OF ST. CATHERINE MONASTERY

In 628 C.E. Prophet Muhammad (s) granted a Charter of Privileges to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai. It consisted of several clauses covering all aspects of human rights including such topics as the protection of Christians, freedom of worship and movement, freedom to appoint their own judges and to own and maintain their property, exemption from military service, and the right to protection in war.
An English translation of that document is presented below.

This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).

This charter of privileges has been honored and faithfully applied by Muslims throughout the centuries in all lands they ruled.

 

Shalom!!


-----Original Message-----
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2011 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom

 
The fact that Jinnah made Jogen Mondal a cabinet minister of Pakistan is evidence enough for me to accept that the latter's support was important for a bigger East Bengal to be included in Pakistan. If Jinnah was alive for a bit longer, chances are that the Hindus of East Bengal would not have gotten marginalized in their motherland as fast as they did. Although I believe that Jinnah's game of using Muslim brotherhood for his personal supreme leadership clout in a sovereign country (Pakistan) would have ultimately led Pakistan to what it is today.
 
Indeed there are reasons for Hindus, especially the so-called scheduled caste Hindus, to be angry with Jogen Mondal. That is why I call him Jogen Chandal, even when I think that the caste system is the greatest stupidity in the Hindu religion/culture. I denigrate him, because he was foolish enough to fall for the false sense of security for his people in an absurd country that was being formed based mostly upon hatred. His foolishness got proven so fast that even he himself had to flee to India.
 
In any case, Jogen Mondal being foolish or not, the Hindus that he represented, and the other Hindus and non-Hindus that he did not necessarily represent, had a birthright on the land. For Bangladesh to be an honorable and decent nation, it necessarily has to separate Islam from the business of the state, and treat all religious groups with equal respect.
 
Sukhamaya Bain

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom

"- a major portion of Bangladesh would have been with India without Jogen Mondal's vote."----Jiten Roy
 
That's what we have heard from our parents and others during our childhood. Was Muslim League so stupid that they would let 'major portion' of Bengal go with India even if Jogen Mondal did not support Jinnah? What about Radcliffe's scissors that decidedly cut the map of Bengal almost illogically. Did Radcliffe really care much about what Jogen Mondal had done? I need more specific information to continue to believe the myth (or fact) that was injected into my head in my childhood.
There are reasons for Hindus to be angry with Jogen Mondal. Capitalizing on the tension that prevailed in the relations between caste Hindus and scheduled caste Hindus, Jinnah was successful in having him on his side. Jinnah kept his promise. He made him a central minister. But irony is that he had to flee Pakistan and take shelter in a country for which he had not voted. We know Suhrawardy faced similar fate. Even there is a complaint that he was responsible for Kolkata riots and he did it in support of Jinnah's Two-Nation Theory. New facts are emerging to challenge the traditional history.

 







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Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom



S. Hannan has no sense of history of any place.  Muslim League did not win in Punjab, the govt. there was a coalition between the Unionist Party and Congress. In the late 1930s, British Govt. forced the leaders of Unionist Party, Jiye Sind, KSP etc. to join Muslim League.  Without British cooperation, there would not be even a truncated Pakistan.  The party which Hannan belongs to was then led by Maududi, who did not support the formation of Pakistan. The partition has not enhanced the Muslim cause, it has  fractured Indian Muslim sentiment into three parts.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:26 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 

As I said before, if Congress would have abided by the principle of partition (that is Muslim majority provinces would go to Pakistan) then whole of Bengal and Punjab would be in Punjab . Congress with the aid of Mountbatten forced partition of Bengal and Punjab on Muslim League.Mr Jinnah was forced to  take a truncated Pakistan

If this would not have happened today's Bangladesh also would have benfitted.

Shah Abdul Hannan

 


From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kamal Das
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:36 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com


Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom

 

 

Obviously, you are unware of the exchange of Khulna and Jessore with Malda and Murshidabad.  From the side of Pakistan, a participating member was Hamidul Haque Choudhury, founder of the Observer group and then a minister in the Govt. of Pakistan.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:09 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

As a matter fact, Radcliffe submitted his plan to Mountbatten on August 9. Mountbatten kept it secret until after independence. On the day of independence all the hindu majority districts hoisted Indian flag and all the muslim majority districts hoisted Pakistani flag without knowing what was really in the plan. On August 17 when the plan saw the day of light, they were shocked by surprises. Khulna and Chittagong Hill Tracts which had hoisted Indian flag found themselves to be part of Pakistan. Similarly, Murshidabad and Malda districts which had hoisted Pakistani flag discovered themselves to be part of India. Jalpaiguri, Nadia, and Malda lost territories to Pakistan

Radcliffe finished his job in five weeks. All along he was sitting in Delhi. The boundary commission on Bengal had four members---two muslim justices and two hindu justices. They provided him all inputs. He used his own judgemnet or whims. He left for England on Aug 15.   

 

Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:55 PM


Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom

 

 

The districts of Khulna and Jessore had been in Indian territory in the Radcliff divide.  These were later exchanged against Maldah and Murshidabad.  Sylhet was brought in by a rigged vote and the Tapshili pockets were gained by the support of Jogen and Rasraj Mandals.  Now, consider the feasibility of East Pakistan without such a patch up.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

I concur with Kamal Das that - a major portion of Bangladesh would have been with India without Jogen Mondal's vote. Thereore, East Pakistan may not have been created if he opposed it.

 

If East Pakistan was not created, at that time, my personal predictions are - either India would have been run by Bangalee or independent Bengal would have been created out of India, in a later stage. Non-Bengali Indian leaders, at that time, had these suspicions in their minds, which also contributed to the division of Bengal to create a geographically/culturally absurd state of Pakistan, called East Pakistan, which ultimately seceded to create Bangladesh in 1971.

 

Jiten Roy

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:08 PM


Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom

 

 

Hindus under the leadership of Jogen Mandal also made East Pakistan.  Without him that was impossible too.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

I have more agreement than disagreement with Mr. Matiur Rahman here. But let me make some comments on his points.

 

To call Mujib 'agitated a lot against the Pakistani regime' would be an injustice to the history of Bangladesh . An honest history of Bangladesh should read, "Mujib fought for the rights of the Bangalees within the framework of Pakistan ." 'Fear of his (Mujib's) leadership' to soft sell the crackdown by the Pakistani rulers would be an insult to the legitimate movements for the rights of the Bangalees, which ultimately led to the creation of Bangladesh .

 

Zia was not much greater a freedom fighter than most of the other sector commanders. It is a falsification of history to call him the first rebel. In reality, he was on his way to unload ammunitions that would kill the Bangalees, but he was alerted that he might be killed after he had done his service to Pakistan by unloading the ammunitions. He was an opportunistic, not a pre-committed, announcer of the independence of Bangladesh .

 

USA had an intention of helping the Pakistanis, thus hindering/stopping the independence of Bangladesh . It could not do what it wanted because of the India-USSR friendship treaty.

 

Without the Indian help, Bangladesh independence would have probably never happened. With all due respect for their passion, courage and sacrifice, the freedom fighters were no match to the Pakistani military. Moreover, the local collaborators to the Pakistanis were a formidable force that had a substantial public support.

 

Without Pakistan in 1947 there would be no Bangladesh in 1971; very true. But that is similar to a child that was born because of a rape giving credit to his rapist father. Without the rape, would that child be ever born? Certainly not that child; the one with genes from a raped mother and a raping father.

 

Talking about the Hindus of East Bengal, true they did not participate in large number in the freedom fight for Bangladesh . But without them being a huge burden on India , that country could not justify intervening in East Bengal , at last not to the extent it did and at the time it did.

 

The greater point of how the Hindus should be looked at by an honorable Bangladesh is this: they were victims of hate crimes by the Pakistani military. To me, hate crime by a state military against unarmed innocent civilians is a more serious crime than cruel torture on warriors. I think punishing or not punishing the hate criminals and war criminals really shows the character of a nation. While a freedom fighter that died in battle should be honored/saluted, the opponent that killed him can not necessarily be called a criminal. The way I see it, a nation's character is more revealed by how it treats its innocent people than by how it treats its heroes.

 

Sukhamaya Bain

 

 

From: Matiur Rahman <matiur1965@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bangladesh Wins Freedom

WHO CAUSED LIBERATION OF BANGLADESH

 

a. Sheikh Mujib: He agitated a lot against the Pakistani regime but till his surrender in the midnight of 25 March1971, he was negotiating for and was hopeful of becoming Prime Minister of Pakistan. His role in forming 'independent' Bangladesh is apparently minimal. Neither he declared independence, nor did he give any leadership during the fight for liberation.  Admittedly, it is fear of his leadership that led Pakistani rulers to crack down on East Pakistan (that caused the liberation of Bangladesh). 

b. Zia: He was a great freedom fighter, one of the successful battle field leaders. He is unparalleled as he was the first to rebel and fight back Pakistani army. He is unparalleled because it him who declared independence of Bangladesh on 27 March 1971 when the nation was totally confused in absence of any guidance from Sheikh Mujib, or any other national leader like Bhashani, Awami League or any other party. However, as far as causation of liberation of Bangladesh is to be addressed, his role is limited to his declaration of independence from 27 March to 1 April 1971.

c. Yahha Khan: Played a major role (in causing liberation of Bangladesh) by deciding to crack down on East Pakistan. His role was indeed a decisive factor. If he had allowed Sheik Mujib to form government of Pakistan, following Dec1970 election,  as he promised in February and early March 1971, there would be no independent Bangladesh today. 

d. Mr Bhutto: Played a major role by obstinately  resisting election of Sheikh Mujib as the Prime Minister of Pakistan after victory of Awami League in the Election of1970. If he agreed, Shekh would form the government of Pakistan and the hope of liberating Bangladesh, if any one had, would not ever see light.

e. USA: USA's role is not clear in my assessment. It helped by not helping Pakistani Regime in November, December. Its 7th fleet could do havoc; did nothing.

f. USSR: Its support was important.

g. India: People of East Pakistan would not be able to fight for liberation in a successful way if India did not give them shelter and arms. The air assault of December 1971 was smart enough to compel the Pakistan Army in East Pakistan to decide to wrap up and surrender. Otherwise the people of East Pakistan would have to struggle longer. Fighting was continuing near Khulna till the afternoon of 17 December. On the other hand, without the help of Indian forces, Quader Siddiqui was very near  to Dhaka with his capable Bahini. Indian support all in all was vital. 

h.Mrs Indira Gandhi: Her decision to help people of Bangladesh was critically important Her decision to help people of East Pakistan in their fight against Pakistani regime was bold and crucially important. 

i. West Pakistanis: Not any significant role. (Honestly, I am not sure, got  to research)

j. Freedom Fighters:  It is their selfless, fearless spirit that led to the establishment of independent Bangladesh.They started with revenging the killing of their father or mother, sister or brother, of friends and relatives in the hands of Pakistanis.  However, gradually it transformed into the fight against an 'occupation army'. They dreamed of liberating East Pakistan from Pakistani occupation. They succeeded at the cost of their lives.

k. Bengali language: A role may be traced back to 1952, that's it. In 1971, language movement was only a referral point without much 'conspicuous' significance.

l. Mohajirs: Am not aware of any significant role in 'causing' liberation of Bangladesh. They suffered huge causality in the month of (end) March to (early) May 1971 just because they spoke Urdu like the Pakistanis. Their complicity with Pakistani Army in 1971 played no significant role in establishing independent Bangladesh. .

m. Bengali Hindus: Count of Bengali Hindus among the freedom fighters was unfortunately very very low. However, a majority proportion of Indian people who gave shelter to people of Bangladesh were Bengali Hindus of West Bengal, Meghalaya, Asam and Tripua.

n. Bengali Muslims: (i) Most of the freedom fighters were Bengali Muslims. (ii) Bangladesh would have remained today merely a state of India, like West Bengal, after partition in 1947, if Bengali Muslims did not demand a separate state. If East Pakistan was not born 1977, there would be no scope of liberating it and establishing independent Bangladesh in 1971.

o. Indian Army: Played a very vital role in training people of Bangladesh who wanted to fight against the armed forces of Pakistan. Their role in December was very significant. Otherwise war of liberation, that is fight against the Pakistani army would continue for a few more months.

q. Pakistani Army: Most significant role. It is because of their crackdown, killing, torture, arson, rape and destruction that the entire nation decided to cut off with Pakistan and go for an independent country.

r. Israel: Am not aware of any role.

s. CIA: Am not aware of any significant role.

t. KGB: Am not aware of any significant role.

u. Swadhin Bangla Betar Kendar: Played a very VERY significant role since 27 March 1971 with declaration of independent Bangladesh from it Kalurghat Chittagong. For the first time, a dream of independent Bangladesh was floated in unequivocal terms. A message was created and passed on that people of Bangladesh have to fight for liberating their country occupied by Pakistani army.

v. Other factors: Awami League leaders of April of 1971: By forming a government of independent "Bangla Desh", they gave a shape to the idea of a "liberation of East Pakistan" that Sheikh Mujib did NOT do.

w. Other factors: Pakistan government of November1971: Half way through November, the then government of Pakistan decided to 'desert' East Pakistan; and this decision was critical. Though there was no declaration reinforcement was discontinued in the last week of November, and many parts of Bangladesh saw light of the day as an independent land in the first week of December as Pakistan army started to wind up; and move to Dhaka.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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Re: [mukto-mona] THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN



Mr. Chakravarty Subimal is wrong, not Chakravarty Raja Gopalacharya.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:38 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Raja Gopalacharya's prognosis turned out to be wrong! To him any neighboring country with Muslim majority was a Pakistan. That was a political statement.    

Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN

 
On Dec. 16, 1971 Raja Gopalacharya reacted to the news of the surrender of the Pakistan Army in Dacca, "Her father created one Pakistan, she created two".  Secularism is a pipe dream here, with strong religious institutions supported by government financing it is indeed not possible.  Bangladesh today has over ten times more madrasahs than the whole subcontinent had before the partition of the subcontinent.  Even the Hindu fundamentalism is on the rise here.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I am actually no fan of Napoleon Bonaparte; just used his quote to make the point of agreeing with Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty that re-unification of the Indian sub-continent is not totally impossible, while maintaining myself that it would be very much unlikely in the foreseeable future.
 
As for Nehru's quote, I would say that re-unification of India with today's Pakistan would be a much bigger problem for India than just a carbuncle on the butt; it would be like a huge cancerous tumor. Being born and raised up to 25 years and having a lot of friends and relatives there, I am reluctant to use the phrase "carbuncle on the butt" on Bangladesh. Moreover, I do see some ray of hope for Bangladesh. The country overall is certainly much better than Pakistan in terms of secular humanism, which seems to be in a growing mode there now.
 
Sukhamaya Bain

 
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:41 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN

 
About reunification Nehru said, "I don't want a carbuncle on my butt."  We all know what Napoleon did to himself and France.

 












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Avijit
I will appreciate if you kindly add Deb Kumar Som to your group.

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To: Debkumar Som <debkumarsom@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Barda How r u?

Deb
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From: Debkumar Som <debkumarsom@gmail.com>
To: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:57 AM
Subject: Barda How r u?


Barda,
 
I was on seven days Nepal tour. Resumed office today, have seen your mail. I wish to include myself with mukto mon is it possible?
 
Have seen Ogrobeej  advt. in Desh, haven't receive the copy.

With regards,

Debkumar Som
Kolkata
9830729876








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[ALOCHONA] Corridor:Uneasy moves mar Indian transit

Uneasy moves mar Indian transit

Quite a lot of unexplaineddevelopments are taking place involving
transit to India using Ashugonj river portand Akhaura land customs
en-route to Agartala in the Indian state of Tripura.

Nobody knows and none is speakingout what is the real status of the
movement of Indian cargoes at this momentusing Bangladesh territory to
its northeastern region. One segment of thegovernment says they are
running transit on trial basis while others sayregular transit has
already begun over a week ago.

Nobody knows when the trialtransit has ended. There was no official
statement on the development and nogazette notification informing the
public on the present status of the transit.

Meanwhile, business leaders havestarted decrying the impact of free
transit of Indian goods to its northeasternstates saying it poses a
direct threat to their locally manufactured goods andexports,
especially to the seven northeastern states of India.

Leaders of three re-rolling andsteel mills associations Monday
demanded immediate halt of the duty free movementof Indian steel and
iron materials to the northeastern region of India statingthat it is
destabilizing their industry and exports.

They said they have set up there-rolling and steel industries at a
huge cost and they are now facing directthreat from Indian business.
They urged the government to impose transit feesand other duties on
the Indian goods to ensure a level playing field.Otherwise, local
industry will be totally ruined, they said.

Moreover they have demanded dutyfree access of their steel and iron
rods to the Indian markets, especially tothe northeast saying the
large scale Indian big business houses which produceat low cost should
not enjoy extra support in terms of subsidized transportationof their
raw materials.

Cement producers are also worriedabout the future of their industry.
President of Bangladesh AutoRe-rolling and Steel Mills Association
Sheikh Masudul Alam Masud spokeyesterday about their plight. He said
Indian producers are now shipping ironingots, billets and such other
raw materials from Kolkata to produceconstruction materials in the
northeastern region which was dependent on importfrom Bangladesh so
long. The government should protect itsown industry and save its own
business first before helping others, he said. On transit front,
Shipping ministry officials said they are not aware of that

India is running transit now onregular basis. But it is evident from
the government instructions to Akhauracustoms officials that they
should allow Indian trucks to enter into Bangladeshto take the cargo
goods to Tripura.

It will essentially requireagreements between the two countries; the
shipping ministry official told themedia.

But he said he has no knowledgeabout such agreement. But what is
visible is that Bangladeshi truckers are nowcarrying Indian goods from
Ashugonj river port to Akhaura and Indian truckersare taking them from
there to inside Tripura.

Initially Bangladeshi truckscarrying foods inside Tripura but in final
arrangement, India did not agree toallow Bangladeshi truckers to carry
their goods to Agortala and even insideIndian border.

But there is none to explain whyBangladeshi truckers can't enter into
Indian territory and why the Indian truckerscan come to Akhaura to
pick up merchandise.

The Shipping ministry officialsaid an inter-ministerial meeting will
evaluate on the basis of results fromtransit on trial basis whether it
will bring good results or the country willstand to lose from it.

The government may take decisionon transit fees and other charges in
the light of the evaluation report, hesaid. He was unable to comment
on whether transit is running now on regularbasis.

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Re: [mukto-mona] THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN



I would not yet flatly call Raja Gopalacharya's prognosis wrong. After all Bangladesh has a constitution that begins with Bismillah and proclaims Islam as the state religion. May be Gopalacharya did not realize that Pakistan would go as much into the ditch as it is today. Bangladesh is better than Pakistan now, but it is nowhere near India in terms of respecting the religious minorities. It has been a semi-Pakistan for most of its life, and could be just one election away from there now.

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN

 
Raja Gopalacharya's prognosis turned out to be wrong! To him any neighboring country with Muslim majority was a Pakistan. That was a political statement.    

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN

 
On Dec. 16, 1971 Raja Gopalacharya reacted to the news of the surrender of the Pakistan Army in Dacca, "Her father created one Pakistan, she created two".  Secularism is a pipe dream here, with strong religious institutions supported by government financing it is indeed not possible.  Bangladesh today has over ten times more madrasahs than the whole subcontinent had before the partition of the subcontinent.  Even the Hindu fundamentalism is on the rise here.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I am actually no fan of Napoleon Bonaparte; just used his quote to make the point of agreeing with Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty that re-unification of the Indian sub-continent is not totally impossible, while maintaining myself that it would be very much unlikely in the foreseeable future.
 
As for Nehru's quote, I would say that re-unification of India with today's Pakistan would be a much bigger problem for India than just a carbuncle on the butt; it would be like a huge cancerous tumor. Being born and raised up to 25 years and having a lot of friends and relatives there, I am reluctant to use the phrase "carbuncle on the butt" on Bangladesh. Moreover, I do see some ray of hope for Bangladesh. The country overall is certainly much better than Pakistan in terms of secular humanism, which seems to be in a growing mode there now.
 
Sukhamaya Bain

 
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:41 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: THE PARTITION AND TODAY'S PAKISTAN

 
About reunification Nehru said, "I don't want a carbuncle on my butt."  We all know what Napoleon did to himself and France.

 













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