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Thursday, July 12, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling



I agree with most of what Shah Deeldar and Q. A. Rahman have written below. Let me add a bit of my thoughts.
 
Indeed, boasting and arrogance are not good in any kind of people. However, it is a given that most religious people think their religion to be the best; otherwise they would not stay in that religion, at least not very seriously. In fact, a lot of religious people think their religion to be perfect. I see a problem with the thought of perfectness in a religion, boasting or not. When the religion is presumed to be perfect, all verifications of that are done with the thought of finding ways to establish that perfectness; with the mind being closed. That is essentially the end of improvement for the human mind.
 
I think boasting about one's religion being the best is not the most serious problem with religious people. A lot more serious is the religion-based hatred and injustice. Boasting can be ignored as a foolish act, hatred and injustice should not be ignored.
 
I am more than willing to tolerate people's thoughts, opinions and actions on their faith, as long as they do not translate into hatred and injustice.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
If religious people can keep their religion private and stop boasting about their religion being the best, there would not any problem.

>>>>>>>> I agree. Actually arrogance is bad for all people. It eats up best qualities from our personalities. However, if you ask me about my faith and how I feel about it, you should be able to tolerate my "Opinion" on MY faith matters. I have seen people have some preconceived notions about religious people and often go with it. Having tolerance and rejecting/reducing arrogance are "Best practices" for any peaceful communities. No matter if you want to view it from religious point of view or secular point of view. Shalom!
 
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-----Original Message-----From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 6:47 amSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
Only thing I can add here is that the people, who are truly spiritual and never stop asking questions about our origin and our relation to the universe should not have any problem with little critic.  If religious people can keep their religion private and stop boasting about their religion being the best, there would not any problem. But. that is not happening in practice and hence, they do deserve critic now and then. Any belief should be challenged now and then before it gets transformed as an universal truth. The next thing you will find that people will be demanding the religiously adjusted science in the public schools. Who would want that? How would reach to the next frontier with such compromised science?
-SD
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
I have thought about the question also - as to why people get offended by the criticism of their religions; why can't they leave it to God.  This is what I found.
People are interested in religion not only for the eternal rewards, but - also they are also interested in the brand name of the clan. Religion is no different from other commercial commodity. It needs to be sold for continued expansion, and criticism is not good for the business, and also for the reputation of the clan.  As a result, people cannot wait for God's punishment.
Now, the tolerance level of criticism varies from followers to followers. Some followers may care more about eternal rewards than expansionism. They will have more tolerance to criticism. Some followers could be totally indifferent of criticism. It's a matter of priority.
Having said that, I have to recognize that, while protecting the brand name is discouraged in some religions, it is mandatory in others. 
Jiten Roy---
 
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On Tue, 7/3/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 4:36 PM

Along with making a little correction in my post below, let me put forth my thoughts on one of the terms that I have used.
                                                                                                                   
Abusing Religion:
 
From time to time, many religious people accuse non-religious people and people of other religions of abusing their religion. Example: if someone were to open up the Bible and criticize something in it, he/she would be accused by some Christians of abusing their religion. I said "some" (as opposed to "many") for Christians, because I believe this group has progressed significantly for a lot of them to ignore such criticisms.
 
However, let us try some logic. What can be more abuse for God (Allah, Bhagaban, whatever else in other lanugages) than the so-called believers to think that He is not almighty, and that He needs help from them? What can be more doubting of God's power than thinking that He needs humans to fight for Him (or for His religion) in this world?
 
The way I see it, if someone actually insulted God or His messenger, a true believer could feel pity for the insulter. Because, according to the belief, the insult was against the most powerful, and the insulter might have invited big trouble for himself/herself in the form of punishment from God. If God knew best, the believer would have no business prescribing a punishment for the insulter. The most civilized and caring action for the believer would be to pray to God to change the insulter's mind, the power of which God certainly has according to his/her true belief.
 
The bottom line is, if religion was really for believing in the almighty God (Allah, Bhagaban, whatever else in other lanugages), as opposed to forming/maintaining/expanding a clan, there should be no reason for humans to fight, or to hate, for maintaining or promoting it.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:32 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
 
Indeed, I believe most of us in this forum are opposed to religion-peddling, as Ms. Majid wrote. As I wrote before, there is no point in opening up religious books for criticism, even when that might look scholarly.
 
I am opposed to the use, misuse and abuse of religions, all of which have caused a lot of division, hatred and injustice in the world. While I do not follow any religion, I am not unwilling to do something just because if was found in a religious book. In other words, I am perfectly OK to implement in my life anything that is good in the Koran, for example.
 
To me, all religious books are part of my history. None of them are "my religion" or "someone else's religion." I am open to follow anything good in any book. I have no animosity toward any religion. For me, no religion needs to have cadres of defenders.
 
However, I am certainly for discarding anything bad in any book. And I am unwilling to dig for contexts by which a seemingly bad teaching can be interpreted to be OK or good. Nor do I have time for overly-brainwashed 'scholars', who try to sustain and promote nonsense in what they think is 'their religion'.
 
The bottom line is, we should fight division, hatred and injustice that are promoted via use, misuse and abuse of religions.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Voice of the People
 
There is a gray area between religion itself and the way it is used by vested interest groups. In a God fearing society it is unproductive and sometimes catastrophic to bluntly criticize a religion. It antagonizes common people and the reactionary forces get an excuse to pull them on their own side. But can a society really progress without pointing out the weaknesses in a religion? Obviously, No. But if we do so, religious feelings of the believers cannot but be hurt. It is a dilemma indeed. When Dipa Mehta shows in her film "Water" the quote from Gandhi and Manusanhita side by side, the Hindutvabadis do not like it. But we come to know that Gandhi did not endorse all of sage Manu's sacred pronouncements.
 
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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Voice of the People
 
                  Do we all agree, on this one point, that we are all opposed to religion-peddling? I fervently hope that the answer is: YES.                 If so, then it is our solemn duty to understand the matter of 'religion-peddling'.                          In this business of religion -peddling it is the 'peddling' part that should command our attention.  And that requires certain in-depth and close attention to politics. Religion is a very powerful cultural artifice, and since both politics and religion deal with a community of people, there has been a mix of the two from time immemorial.  But we are constantly talking about religion-related  social symptoms, and mis-diagnosing them as 'religion'.  Why? There are several reasons.  One, mental laziness.  It takes a lot more patience and astute observation to do a political analysis. It needs historical information.              Throughout the 16th century in Europe , for instance, the Catholic Church was fighting an intense political battle with the breaking up of the Church.  The execution of the Nolan Magus and poet, Giordano Bruno, who was not a scientist or mathematician like Nicholas Copernicus, and the persecution of astronomer Galileo, a couple of decades later are indicative of the Church's political authority under severe pressure.  It is silly to cite this as the paradigmatic 'science v. religion' struggle.  It is a singular historical event within the context of Europe .               Both Dawkins and Hitchens are being totally dishonest in their discussions against religion. Dawkins is addressing the Creationists exclusively, and Hitchens's arguments apply to the Jehadists only.  Neither has the courage and intelligence of Karen Armstrong who discards the construction of the binary opposition of 'science v. religion' and refuses any hierarchical positioning of the two branches of knowledge.               Two, critiquing religion is a mask for communalism.  More on that later.                               Farida Majid
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Why talk about Higgs alone for God's particle, why not talk about Bose as well



The following pieces have been taken (rearranged at my own choice) from the news item forwarded by Jiten Roy. It is no substitute for the original. My intention was to grasp the spirit of the article. 
 
Bose had little direct involvement in theorizing the Higgs boson itself. Higgs, the English physicist, and others (I think Salam was included among them---Subimal) proposed the Higgs boson's existence in 1964 to explain what might give shape and size to all matter.
 
The annoyance (over not highlighting Bose 'properly'---Subimal) marks yet another case in the ever-growing list of perceived global snubs Indians feel they suffer, from the U.S. airport searches of Bollywood star Shah Rukh Khan to the naming of a superbug after New Delhi, where it was found.
"Indians are touchy about this. All post-colonial societies are touchy about this," said political psychologist Ashis Nandy of the Delhi-based think tank Center for the Study of Developing Societies. "The sooner we get out of that, the better."
 
 "Many people in this country have been perplexed, and even annoyed, that the Indian half of the now-acknowledged 'God particle' is being carried in lower case," The Economic Times wrote in an editorial Monday. What most don't realize is that the naming of all bosons after Bose "actually denotes greater importance."

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:42 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Why talk about Higgs alone for God's particle, why not talk about Bose as well
 
Satyen Bose, Chairman of the Department of Physics, D.U., Bangldesh, invented Boson; Higgs (or so called God's particle) is a boson also. If you visit the link below, you will learn about racism 101, and see how world media is talking about Higgs, without ever mentioning Bose, for the birth of Higgs boson. It is like - describing a hand without ever mentioning whose hand it is. It's an eye-opener.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/india-enough-higgs-lets-discuss-boson-113942299.html
 
Anyway, Higgs boson, the so called God's Particle, is born, meaning - the foundation block for the construction of the universe is found. Now what? Does this invalidate intelligent design? What do you think?
 
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[mukto-mona] The Last War Crime -- a film on Dick Cheney





Former Vice President Dick Cheney in Washington, 10/06/11. (photo: AP)
Former Vice President Dick Cheney in Washington, 10/06/11. (photo: AP)



The Last War Crime: Indicting Cheney for Torture

By Jeanine Molloff, Nation of Change

12 July 12

 
uring this summer of Occupy and subsequent police brutality, the subject of torture is hotly denounced by protesters and conveniently ignored by candidates. Like that ostrich diving head first into the sand of political expediency–Americans want to focus on the alleged debt crisis or gay marriage–anything that absolves us from the messy subject of tortures committed in our names by the Bush/Cheney administration and which continue under Obama to the present day. The entire Bradley Manning debacle speaks volumes to this accusation.

In spite of strong evidence identifying Dick Cheney as the mastermind behind this torture regime–the subject remains taboo, both in the 'news' business and in Hollywood–that is until Hollywood executives watched trailers for the anti-war documentary–The Last War Crime.

Written, produced and directed by a new talent known only as 'The Pen,' this film documents the torture protocol ordained by the Bush-Cheney administration. Since it first circulated a trailer on the web; it has been heavily censored and cyber attacked. You Tube has removed it at intermittent intervals and MTV (which is owned by Viacom) has refused to sell air time for a commercial.

Apparently, there are some things that Viacom won't accept money for—namely any film or story which exposes the regular torture ordered by Vice-President Cheney. Curious about this documentary and the blatant censorship–(I couldn't download it)–I contacted the artist aka The Pen. Here is the interview.

JM : What are you hoping this film will accomplish in terms of genuine political change?

The Pen:" The Last War Crime Movie is about indicting Cheney for torture. And isn't that something billions of people want to see? They say sometimes life can imitate art. But first we felt it was important that we retrace our country's steps as to how torture was used to get the false intelligence to sell us on a war with Iraq. The real story of how this happened has been buried under an avalanche of pseudo history. They want people to forget the Downing Street minutes and the foreknowledge that the British had that Cheney and Bush were determined to invade Iraq, even if they had to "fix the facts around the policy" to do so. They want to obliterate the memory of the flimsy legal arguments in the torture memos. So we dig out all the true facts, and put them on the big screen, together with an entertaining narrative story about what it would have been like if justice had already prevailed.

The people who committed these war crimes believe they can escape accountability by changing the way people think, by selling the American people on the idea that torture was a great thing that got us wonderful intelligence to protect us. But the only people making these arguments are the torturers themselves and their propaganda advocates. All other percipient witnesses confirm the opposite, which we knew already, that torture does not even work, and that any actionable intelligence they got was obtained before they started torturing people. So part of the mission of this movie is to counter their ongoing lies initiative, to change the way people think back to the truth, and then we can have good policy change, which is political change.

JM : Do you expect more interference, and if so–in what form?

The Pen: Based on what we have run into already, the attempted YouTube censorship (which we forced them to reverse after more than 7,000 direct protests), the rejection of the ad submitted to MTV (Viacom Inc.), it is clear that we are encountering serious censorship interference from the very beginning. Obviously we are telling a story that certain people don't want heard. The American people believe that we have free speech. It was on that justification that the Supreme Court said in the Citizens United decision that the gloves were off, and that corporations with unlimited war chests should be permitted to flood our political process with money favoring their point of view. But now we see that the other side of that bargain was a fraud, that these same corporations believe they can discriminate against points of view they disagree with. So for the actual people, we find that even if we have the money, we cannot even BUY "free" speech.

This is not a tolerable situation. Must we generate thousands of protests every time we want to run an ad when it is rejected for political reasons?

Already Viacom has received over 12,000 protest messages in response to our call to action there, and in that situation apparently they think "we the people" can just be ignored. We are seriously considering a federal lawsuit, the argument has to be made, that if they accept political advertising of any kind, at least in that case, it must be some kind of 14th Amendment equal protection violation to practice what we would call "speech discrimination". Only by bringing such a case can we determine if we actually have free speech or not.

JM: Has there been any direct retaliation or threats connected with the release of this film aimed at you? Any suspected retaliation?

The Pen : Gandhi is reputed to have said, "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win". At this point we are still mostly at the attempted "ignore you" stage.

JM: What has Hollywood's reaction been to this film's coming debut? Are you encountering the same kind of cowardice that Michael Moore experienced after his Oscar night comments about the war?

The Pen: We are just starting to get the word out about this film. The censorship attempts are doomed to fail, but we still don't have enough visibility to where the rest of the Hollywood film community would be called on to react. It would not surprise me if some of the censorship we've been talking about was based in part on cowardice. Of course we all remember when Michael Moore called out the fiction of the basis for the war in Iraq at the Oscars. But in that case another reasonable possible explanation is that those who booed him then would object to any attempt to politicize the Academy Awards ceremony. The problem is that when you say you don't want to hear about this political issue here, and you don't want to hear about it there, you may end up with the dynamic we are confronting now with The Last War Crime movie, that the corporations that dominate our media really don't want these issues talked about anywhere.

JM: Anything else you would want to add?

The Pen: "The soul of America is on trial right now. We have thrown not just international law overboard, we have repudiated our own long established law. We have always considered waterboarding to be torture. We have always prosecuted waterboarding in the past as torture. So what's the difference now, that the war criminals have a big "R" after their names? We are called by history, the real history, to stand up and speak out about this, to bring America back to its highest calling. So if your readers are interested in participating in the Viacom action they can go to , where you can also see the ad that MTV

rejected. And there is a Facebook page where we are posting video clips, still shots from the movie, including behind the scenes shots, and more on a daily basis, so you can follow our progress and help get this movie out in real theaters where it belongs and deserves to be."

It should be noted that as of May 22nd, 2012, The Last War Crime was presented at the Cannes Film Festival. There was no refusal to air the film, no censorship–corporate or otherwise. Apparently the independent artistic community in Cannes and similar venues knows something that evades the vapid corporate offices of Hollywood.

 


 



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[mukto-mona] Fw: [KHABOR] খালেদা-ইউনুস কড়চা ৷




----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:07 PM
Subject: [KHABOR] খালেদা-ইউনুস কড়চা ৷

 
                   খালেদা-ইউনুস কড়চা
খালেদা : হেলো , ইউনুস সাহেব , কেমন আছেন ? এত ভোরে ঘুম থেকে
          তুলে দেওয়ায় কিছু মনে করেন নি তো ?
ড: ইউনুস : না , না , কিছু মনে করতে যাবো কেন ! এটা তো আমার
            সৌভাগ্য যে আপনার মত "মহান বেক্তিত্ব " আমাকে এত কষ্ট
            করে ফোন করেছেন !  আপনি কেমন আছেন ?
খালেদা : আমি অর্থ্যাত আমরা সবাই ভালো এবং ফুরফুরে মেজাজে আছি ,
          "মেঘ না চাইতে বৃষ্টির মত" বিশ্ব ব্যাঙ্কের ইসুটা আমাদের "ধারহীন আন্দোলনে "
           কিছুটা আশার আলো দেখাচ্ছে , আর সেই জন্য আপনাকে আমাদের সবার
          পক্ষ থেকে অশেষ ধন্যবাদ
ড: ইউনুস : মেডাম , দেওয়ালের ও  কান আছে , আমার ভয় হচ্ছে দেশের মানুষ যদি জেনে যায় ,
             তা হলে আমার সর্বনাশ হয়ে যাবে ! "নিজের নাক কেটে পরের যাত্রা ভঙ্গ " করার জন্য
             আমি এটি খুব চতুরতার সাথে করিয়েছি , দেশের ক্ষতি হোক তাতে আমার কিছু যায় আসে না !
             ওরা আমার যা ক্ষতি করেছে আমি তার বদলা নিয়েছি ৷ আপনার নিকট বিনীত অনুরোধ আমাদের
             এই কথোপকথন বাইরের কেও যেন না জানে !
খালেদা : ইউনুস সাহেব , আপনি সে ব্যপারে নিশ্চিত থাকুন , কেও এমনকি "ফালু"ও জানবেনা ! আপনার মত
          আমার ভেতর ও প্রতিহিংসার আগুন জলছে , আমিও দেখে নেবো , ছারখার করে দেবো সব কিছু ! তাতে দেশ
          ধংশ হয়ে গেলেও আমি তোয়াক্কা করি না ! কেননা দেশের চেয়ে আমার পরিবার বড় ! আমি কথা দিচ্ছি
          আমরা ক্ষমতায় গেলে আপনার গ্রামীন বেংক আপনাকেই ফিরিয়ে দেবো আর সেই সাথে দেশের পরবর্তী
          "রাষ্ট্রপতি" হিসাবে আপনাকেই দেখতে চাই
ড: ইউনুস : মেডাম , অসংখ্য ধন্যবাদ আপনার এই বদন্নতার জন্য , তবে আমাকে গ্রামীন বেংক ফিরিয়ে দিলেই
             সব চেয়ে খুশি হব ৷ "রাষ্ট্রপতি" পদের ব্যপারে আমাকে একটু ভাবতে দিন , কেননা ডা : বদরুদ্দোজার
             সাথে আপনারা যেই ব্যবহার করেছেন তাতে আমি শংকিত ওই পদের বেপারে !
খালেদা : না, না তেমন আর হবে না ! আমরা ভুল থেকে অনেক কিছু শিখেছি , আপনি কোনো চিন্তা করবেন না
         এখন পরবর্তী নির্বাচনে জেতার জন্য আপনার "আশির্বাদ" খুবই দরকার , আপনিত জানেন যুক্তরাষ্ট্র
         এ বেপারে বিরাট ভুমিকা পালন করে
ড: ইউনুস : মেডাম , কোনো চিন্তা করবেন না , আমার উপর আস্থা রাখুন , আমার সাধ্য মত আমি সব ই করব
             মনে রাখবেন , আগামী নির্বাচন আমাদের দুজনারই "বাংলাদেশে টিকে থাকার" নির্বাচন !
            আজ এখানেই রাখছি , আবার কথা হবে

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[mukto-mona] খালেদা-ইউনুস কড়চা ৷



                   খালেদা-ইউনুস কড়চা
খালেদা : হেলো , ইউনুস সাহেব , কেমন আছেন ? এত ভোরে ঘুম থেকে
          তুলে দেওয়ায় কিছু মনে করেন নি তো ?
ড: ইউনুস : না , না , কিছু মনে করতে যাবো কেন ! এটা তো আমার
            সৌভাগ্য যে আপনার মত "মহান বেক্তিত্ব " আমাকে এত কষ্ট
            করে ফোন করেছেন !  আপনি কেমন আছেন ?
খালেদা : আমি অর্থ্যাত আমরা সবাই ভালো এবং ফুরফুরে মেজাজে আছি ,
          "মেঘ না চাইতে বৃষ্টির মত" বিশ্ব ব্যাঙ্কের ইসুটা আমাদের "ধারহীন আন্দোলনে "
           কিছুটা আশার আলো দেখাচ্ছে , আর সেই জন্য আপনাকে আমাদের সবার
          পক্ষ থেকে অশেষ ধন্যবাদ
ড: ইউনুস : মেডাম , দেওয়ালের ও  কান আছে , আমার ভয় হচ্ছে দেশের মানুষ যদি জেনে যায় ,
             তা হলে আমার সর্বনাশ হয়ে যাবে ! "নিজের নাক কেটে পরের যাত্রা ভঙ্গ " করার জন্য
             আমি এটি খুব চতুরতার সাথে করিয়েছি , দেশের ক্ষতি হোক তাতে আমার কিছু যায় আসে না !
             ওরা আমার যা ক্ষতি করেছে আমি তার বদলা নিয়েছি ৷ আপনার নিকট বিনীত অনুরোধ আমাদের
             এই কথোপকথন বাইরের কেও যেন না জানে !
খালেদা : ইউনুস সাহেব , আপনি সে ব্যপারে নিশ্চিত থাকুন , কেও এমনকি "ফালু"ও জানবেনা ! আপনার মত
          আমার ভেতর ও প্রতিহিংসার আগুন জলছে , আমিও দেখে নেবো , ছারখার করে দেবো সব কিছু ! তাতে দেশ
          ধংশ হয়ে গেলেও আমি তোয়াক্কা করি না ! কেননা দেশের চেয়ে আমার পরিবার বড় ! আমি কথা দিচ্ছি
          আমরা ক্ষমতায় গেলে আপনার গ্রামীন বেংক আপনাকেই ফিরিয়ে দেবো আর সেই সাথে দেশের পরবর্তী
          "রাষ্ট্রপতি" হিসাবে আপনাকেই দেখতে চাই
ড: ইউনুস : মেডাম , অসংখ্য ধন্যবাদ আপনার এই বদন্নতার জন্য , তবে আমাকে গ্রামীন বেংক ফিরিয়ে দিলেই
             সব চেয়ে খুশি হব ৷ "রাষ্ট্রপতি" পদের ব্যপারে আমাকে একটু ভাবতে দিন , কেননা ডা : বদরুদ্দোজার
             সাথে আপনারা যেই ব্যবহার করেছেন তাতে আমি শংকিত ওই পদের বেপারে !
খালেদা : না, না তেমন আর হবে না ! আমরা ভুল থেকে অনেক কিছু শিখেছি , আপনি কোনো চিন্তা করবেন না
         এখন পরবর্তী নির্বাচনে জেতার জন্য আপনার "আশির্বাদ" খুবই দরকার , আপনিত জানেন যুক্তরাষ্ট্র
         এ বেপারে বিরাট ভুমিকা পালন করে
ড: ইউনুস : মেডাম , কোনো চিন্তা করবেন না , আমার উপর আস্থা রাখুন , আমার সাধ্য মত আমি সব ই করব
             মনে রাখবেন , আগামী নির্বাচন আমাদের দুজনারই "বাংলাদেশে টিকে থাকার" নির্বাচন !
            আজ এখানেই রাখছি , আবার কথা হবে

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Re: [mukto-mona] British Army in India in 1858



The superior quality of the British guns and better discipline in their army brought them the victory.  

Absolutely. Add a little conspiracy, backstabbing and that can only help when you aim for the crown....

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 4:57 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] British Army in India in 1858

 
 "Crowning Jewel"?  The term is rather 'Jewel in the Crown'.  British Army in India was not the biggest army in any single country till date.  The Mughal Army was much bigger in previous days and even when it faced the British on different occasions.  The superior quality of the British guns and better discipline in their army brought them the victory.   

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

                     Now you know how keen the British were to make India the "Crowning Jewel" of the Empire!  How scared they were of the very idea of 'India'!  No wonder then why they could not tolerate the idea of leaving it intact when the Crown had to give it up.  If only we did not suffer so miserably from our inferiority complex -- but the that is the PSYOP trick they played on us and we are continuing their game to this day ---
                                                                                         Farida Majid

British Army in India , biggest army in any single country in history till that date in 1858 for fighting Indian rebels

British Army in India , biggest army in any single country in history till that date in 1858 for fighting Indian rebels

The Honourable Sir John William Fortescue KCVO (28 December 1859 – 22 October 1933) was a British military historian.

Fortescue is best known for his monumental work on the British Army, which he wrote between 1899 and 1930. During most of this time (from 1905 to 1926) he was working as the librarian of Windsor Castle. In 1911, he was elected to deliver the Ford Lectures at Oxford University. He served as president of the Royal Historical Society from 1921 to 1925.

Fortescue wrote as following about strength of British troops in India in 1857-58:--

" Never ,I think, before 1858 , there had been a British army of equal strength in any one country--a vast country , it is true--as in India during the Mutiny.Excluding the British troops in the East India Company's service , there were in India at the end of 1858 eight regiments of British cavalry and sixty-eight battalions of British infantry."

This makes all three Afghan Wars , English East India Companys successful humbling of China in two opium wars and humbling of Iran in 1856 , minor military affairs.

11 hours ago by Capt. Agha Amin




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