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Friday, January 27, 2017

[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Watch Please



I have watched and am horrified. I condemn the killings, lootings, rapings etc.

Have you watched the Rohingya killings in Myanmar. The demolition of Babri masjid in India in front of the law enforcement officials and extremist politicians of BJP, RSS and their ilk.

Yearly anti-Muslim  riots in India since 1947.

The massacres of Muslims in Bosnia. Chechnya and shias of Pakistan?

The mass murders and collective punishment to the Palestinians in Israel and its occupied territories.

In fact one of the placards in your posting was treasonous!
Have you ever condemned anything of the above????

The world haas become a nasty place. the sooner it ends the better. I guess the new Pres of US might help expedite it, inadvertantly,of course.
 
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[mukto-mona] Fwd: posted by me discussion with Prof Sarwar Chowdhury




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From: PRAKASH GUPTA <prakashdg@aol.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:53 PM
Subject: posted by me discussion with Prof Sarwar Chowdhury
To: Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>


Prof. that's wrong answer. If I put the musk in my mouth first then I can breathe and save my child. Most people rapidly answer like you and us and not practical. Thus we are all suffering till today including you and progressive Muslim people and it will not stop in the near future or may be never.

 

You also said that that is what exactly they want- unfortunately our group is very small we cannot tackle them anymore. The way you thinking like Writer Mr. Humayun Azad and others. We saw what happen to him, but nothing happen to them their group is increasing in Bangladesh. To decrease their group new form of intervention need to think.

 

I already told you if I survive then I can stand for someone. To establish secularism many of us already dead and rest of us including you and all progressive Muslim and non-Muslim are at the eleventh hour of death.

 

Mahatma Gandhi and Moulana Azad also thought like you and us. Their idea is failed. If their idea is right/correct there would be no more Pakistan or partition of India. Their idea is failed that's why the whole Indian subcontinent is burning like Missippi burning Movie for communal fight.

 

The blood is shredding since 1947 and before that. Nobody thought to stop it completely. Politician took advantage of it. Victims are continue suffering. That's why we should find a permanent solution to stop communal blood shredding. We want a permanent solution. We want no minority should be suffer or persecuted in any country in the world.

 

No Muslim brother or Muslim leader want another Muslim brother dying or blood shredding, similarly no Hindu or Buddhist brother want their blood shredding.

From next second we don't want a single drop of blood shredding for communal fighting.

 

In south Asia minorities are suffering in all countries more or less. My idea is in the SAARCC there should be an agenda to stop communal fighting and minority issues in Indian subcontinent or total south Asia including Myanmar, Thailand, Philippine.

Exchanging minorities is one of the option can be implemented again. Therefore, there may be reconciling Nehru Liakat deed to keep it open for unlimited time. So people who want can take opportunity to migrate. And try to make and find many new options. May be for a mass vote in Indian subcontinents to exchange minority to stop permanently, like in east and west Punjab and also who don't want to migrate, there is no problem that majority can live first class and minority can live second class in any country, if they want, like we live in Bangladesh now as a second-class citizen. Otherwise the blood will shred eternal time there will be no solution or come to an end.

 

Last week I read the news of Munira begum in NY at Prothom-alo who wear an American flag as a hijab. Probably everybody notice. She claims she is American and she is Muslim and thus she feels proud.

Muslim people claim two identities first they claim the nationality of that country first thing first, then secondly Muslim identity or vice versa in the country where a Muslim people live. But other nations or religious nations claim one identity. Like Chinese or American or Russian never claim "Chinese and Buddhist" or "Buddhist and Chinese", or "Indian or Hindu" or "Hindu and Indian" or first Russian then Christian or first Christian then Russian. Islam is not loyal to any state or Islam does not confess loyalty to a state. Muslim in any state in the world form Islamic brotherhood. This is a problem for democracy when a particular religious group claim separate identity or nationality inside a country.

 

Establishment of Secularism is not possible in any country in the world forget about any Muslim country. India just started to establish but their leaders surrender to Muslim and other minority in different issues or give concession to a group of minority or excessive concessions to a group of minority or particularly Muslim, some time or most of the time to majority also. No other countries has secularism clause in their constitution except mistrial Indian constitution. That's why many political scientist and philosopher says the Indian democratic constitution is not true democratic constitution, it is their won made democratic constitution not according to Abraham Lincoln proposed democracy or democratic constitution. Many western still criticize about it.  But it is good for particularly one minority not for all minority or majority, not bad at all some how better for Muslim people.

Going back to Monira's news- so Islam only understands Muslim and Muslim only understand Islam not in democracy. Religion is for man or men is for religion in Muslim people and accordingly other religious people that 's a million dollar question we need to think.

 

Bidai haz-r last speech-a President Pronob Mukherjee advise India to become more tolerance to other religions and mutiidaialism. I do not know why he does not tell neighboring countries to become same. Or why he does not advise the rest of the world to become same. Only India needs to be secular, multiidealist, tolerable to other isms. He probably knows rest of the world will not listen to him or he is only scare of India.

 

Winston Churchill in British parliament with a book on his hand said as long as this book is (Quran) in the world there will be no piece. Please get this book and citation from Mr. Bipul Rana Dhar if anybody want. The jihad will continue until the whole world turn into Muslim world and everybody converted to Muslim. In this context you can search some video posting in the Facebook of Mr. Saniur Rahman and Writer Taslima Nasrin's interview in News today in the youtube. Last month I posted few of them. Also please find the news-The morocco convention "why minority cannot live in Muslim country."

 

Radical fundamentalism provoke India Israel USA to become alliance, it was just waiting of time, so there will be no surprise one day the whole world will be formed allies to destroy and demolish the Zionist Islamic fascism and fundamentalism.  The unexpected worst will be to harvest ripe mango unfortunately green mango will be also fall down. People who we are suffering like you and in your group are waiting for a movement of that time is coming. 

 

In my office one of my colleague asked me why terrorism is not stopping. I answered because of us. He asked me how- I replied. In my village if my brother do terrorism if you and I tell my brother to stop it, he will listen to you or me? Who do you think? My colleague answers me that my brother will listen to me not him because my brother doesn't know him. I said correct.

To stop terrorism and fundamentalism Muslim brother has to tell and come together and take initiative action to stop Islamic terrorism. All Muslim countries need to form allies against terrorism. Because they know like the example that their brother who is doing terrorism in a village or country. Otherwise no non- Muslim country or any super power country can stop it completely alone. President Obama also said same, because some of the terrorist group already acquired tactical weapons and their territory is in the whole world which also Mr. Bipul Rana Dhar mentioned in his posting.

A group of progressive Muslim intellectual keeps silence and thus provokes Islamic terrorism. That's why you and me, we are all suffering. We know leftist and rightist. But it is difficult to find out the character of people who are in between left and right. And they are very subversive for human society.

 

Gandhi and Azad said that India will not be separated on their body. They lived in fool paradise. The reality happened. So people who we are thinking positive attitude like you, we are probably living in a fool's paradise. I don't know now may be in the future we will know. In this context West Bengal BJP leader's speech you can listen and see the video in the Facebook what a young boy told about India partition in a meeting.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: শাহরিয়ার কবির সভাপতি, কাজী মুকুল সাধারণ সম্পাদক নির্বাচিত



I fully agree with you about your assessment of Shahriar Kabir. I admire the man for his courage and secular convictions. Could you nevertheless throw light on his alleged business connections with the Pakistani military. Not that any such connection by itself should mar anybody's reputation. But a clarification is good for him and would strengthen us in our fight against scandal-mongering by Islamists.  


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Shahriar Kabir is known as ' conscious of Bangladesh' and he is a gentleman. At this time he is the person talking loudly against Jamat and Islamists. So you understand, why those rotten Islamists don't like him. I had an opportunity to work with him last 20 years and know him from early 80's. He is a better human being and a patriot. But he is not an angel, so there may be some people against him, I know some Hindus also don't like him! But those critics in these forums are just a bunch of idiots and they would be razakars if it was 1971. If you notice they like only militant Islam and everyone else is bad! But one thing is that they will live in USA or West and will not live in those Islamic hubs like Pakistan or Iran! Better we ignore those neo-razakars! 

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On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:22 AM, DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

We need solid proof rather than having somebody mentioning Mr. Kabir as a chicken supplier in the cantonment. Mr. Karim and his Jamati gang are known for spreading Face-book fake news as I have caught these scoundrels so many times. Mr. Kabir is a scholar, not a chicken businessman. Any idiot can write a book with fictitious facts and that does not make a person collaborator. To me, Mr. Kabir is a thousand times better patriot than many of these bankrupt Jamati scoundrels. It would be interesting to know where these Jamatis were fighting their little liberation war? Killing intellectuals and freedom fighters?! The lies and liars would not be able to change the liberation history.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Rezaul Karim <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com> wrote:
Enough is enough 
Let's now,scrap that crap.
To associate Shahriar Kabir anymore with our freedom struggle is a travesty of truth & justice. I's  shameful episode of event in our liberation war against the Pakistani Junta, when Mr. Kabir used to run a business to supply chickens to them. It's like adorning a thief becoming the spokesperson of the thieves.

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[mukto-mona] Saudis sleeping Terror cells religiously extremist Muslims in European cities and everywhere in the world….



Saudis sleeping Terror cells religiously extremist Muslims in European cities and everywhere in the world….
In US, UK, Europe or 3rd world…..The Saudis can hire the services of the Mafia-linked-organized-crime to harass dissident and liberal Muslims, atheist, ex-Muslims etc.

Amir Hakk, a Pakistani Islamic fundamentalist and extremist living in Madin,. attached to the Madina University – Saudi Arabia, is active again on Paltalk usually in Stay_Online's room at (www.paltalk.com),in Asia and Pacific category, Pakistan subcategory, … as on Facebook and other social media… He spies on people talking against Islam, or are liberal, agnostic Muslims… then he reports them to the Pkistani wing of the Saudi Religious Police, who them take action against these liberals through the local Islamic group, the sleeping extremist cells of resident Muslims in all cities and countries of the world.

 

... I remember that few weeks ago, a liberal Pakistani Muslim, Allama Ayaz Nizami had a one-to-one dialogue-Munaazra with him  on a delicate Islamic topic; the discussion was incomplete and was scheduled to re-start the very next day, Allama Sahib promised to come the next day but did not come. That was unusual of him, so I started a sort of investigate the matter. I recalled that during the first day of discussion with Allama sahib, Amir Hakk while losing the debate and his temper, particularly asked of Allama's present country of residence twice and somebody informed him of that in the text. Events moved which points to something dangerous in Amir Hakk's attitude.

(It is usual for the Arabs living in foreign countries to make good relations with the authorities through gifts of money or other things in the Western as well as other countries, and exploit the Islamic connections in Islamic countries. On the other hand, they use technology, as in the age of iphone sort of technology, it is easy to keep record, trace and harass anybody anywhere in the world, through city Islamic groups or through the agency of masjid-madrassa, even in the villages. They try to get scholars expelled calling them atheists or get them harassed by accusing them as Ahmedi etc. in Muslim countries.)                         Amir Hakk had been boasting of his international connections and his unusual powers etc. in his paltalk talks, as if he were a member of some Aalmi Mujahedeen Tanzeem (International Jihdi terrorist group) paid and supported by some rich Bedouins, directly or indirectly connected to Saudi religious secret service and other pro-Islamic terrorist groups... In the beginning I did not take him seriously, though…                                          Three days after Allama Sahib'sr Munaazra, I had a one to one discussion with him, he was losing and he asked the room my country of residence, somebody informed him in the text accordingly.

 

 

Two days later in my Central European city of residence, I saw a dark colored Bedouin in his traditional dress angrily gazing me at the shopping centre; next day he appeared in an Indian shop where I was shopping and was angrily looking at me. Then next three days, different Arab women followed me wherever I went, on buses and underground. It had never happened to me before. Therefore I mentioned it to some local people and this following stopped.                                                Two weeks later, I went to Stuttgart in Germany for a conference on Refugees and Migrants. I had to change 4 trains to reach Stuttgart and then had to take a local train. While waiting at Stuttgart station, I saw an Arab/Italian girl, she stood near me, took my photograph with her mobile and sent the photo and text to somebody via her mobile. After three local stops, an Arab and an African boarded the train and sat on the seater next to me. There were very few people in that section of the train: the Arab started making loud noises and thumping the table, creating chaos, obviously hoping that I shall react and ask him to keep quiet and then may be a quarrel may start. I was highly suspicious and kept quiet. To confirm that they were after me. I went to the train door one stop before mine, to see what they do. Both came after me to the door, I did not descend from the train, and they didn't either, so it was confirmed that they had come after me to harass me and to quarrel with me, and to inure me … as I could now see a knife in the Arab boy's pantaloon pocket.                                On my return journey, when I arrived at Stuttgart, an Arab was there at the station waiting there, however, it was a high speed train so I was saved from any trouble.                                       How did they know of my program;…. in high tech western countries, it is common for the secret services, private security agencies and the Italian-Mafia linked-organized-crime to lodge some kind of computer virus like Trojan horse in the computers of anybody who is intellectually active and so they keep a record of the programs of their activities and travels etc.: anybody can pay them and have the data. Moreover, the Mafia-linked organized crime has the duplicate keys of nearly all the apartments in various cities and countries here as elsewhere and they can enter when one is gone for shopping and can steal documents, copy or re-edit the USB data, remove/delete the files, disrupt or re-program the computer, delete the e.mails, and do what they like, and the police may refuse to register these crimes, so you see the connections.                             Saudis have sleeping cells of terrorists and other religiously mischievous Muslims everywhere in the world, whether US, UK, Europe or 3rd world, and they can harass and make life difficult for religious dissidents, liberals and atheists. They inform the secret services in Islamic countries, like ISI in Pakistan, and have the liberal and agnostic Muslims, the vocal non-Muslims etc. 'killed or disappeared'.  

                                         Amir Hakk is one of those dangerous Muslims, in charge of Pakistani section, he is located in Madina-Saudi Arabia, linked to some department of the Medina University and had international links, and he is a very dangerous Muslim…..



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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} watch



There is nothing to be defensive about this video. A Muslim man beating his wife in public. It would be an offense in any civil society but in many Muslim dominated countries, people might look the other way and give the man free pass. The man would not be prosecuted by a civil court or Sharia court. Do other people beat and kill their wives? Yes, they do! Would we call it a Christian or Hindu phobia? Probably not! So, Farida equating this as Islamophobia is simply wrong. Farida should rather focus on remedies that prevent these kinds violence against women. Mr. Guha is merely a messenger.  


On Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:23 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I think at least on face value this video is unfair to Islam. A man is beating a woman, presumably his wife. He is not saying or implying that he is doing it as per Islam. So, calling this video something like 'our eye on Islam' is wrong.

However, if the Koran or the Hadits contain edicts of beating wife, honorable people should trash those edicts, if not Islam as a whole. So, I think instead of assuming that a man beat a woman because of Islam, people should cite verses from Islamic books to back up their 'our eye on Islam' kind of mottos. If criticizing unjust and hateful edicts of Islam makes one an Islamophobe, he/she should be proud of being so.

SuBain  

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On Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:01 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Farida Majid:"If this isn't Islamophobia I don't know what is! ! ! !"

I viewed some of those clips, and found that these are about  women's right/mistreatment in Saudi Arabia, and in some other Muslim countries.
Being a woman, you should have publicized such unjust treatments of Women by yourself. Instead, you are accusing the person, who has circulated video clips about mistreatments of Muslim women, as Islamophobe. And, by doing so, you are also saying that these videos are as per Islamic traditions, so, circulation of such video clips is equivalent to spreading phobia about Islam.
So, let me ask you, are such mistreatments of women part of Islam? If it is, I will admit that circulation of such videos could be considered as spreading Islamophobia.
I, know, Islamophobia is a favorite term in your vocabulary, but, I really think, you may not understand the meaning of this term. Sorry to say that!
Jiten Roy



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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:15 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} watch

 

If this isn't Islamophobia I don't know what is! ! ! !  What is the reason for it to be posted here in mukto-mona by Sitangshu? Of what benefit is this to  the Bangladeshi society - - - to mankind ?
 There are other such videos  generated by Zionist organizations circulated by Sitangshu .
Read the comments -- if you are in any doubt about the real nature of this ugly propaganda . . .


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