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Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Questions of God and Eternity



Jagadish
 Bose wrote an article in 1894 blending science with mythology. In his childhood he asked the Ganges, "River, where are you coming from?" He heard the voice of the Ganges, "From the jataa (interwoven hair) of Mahadev." At the age of 36, he asked the same question and he still heard the same distinct voice of the river Ganges, "Mahadever jataa hoite." There is no reason to believe that his scientific mind really heard the voice. Kalidas believed that it was the goddess Saraswati who made him write all the beautiful verses. The other day we read an article on the Indian mathematician Ramanujan who believed that all the theorems were revealed to him in dream from a god or goddess. Newton was a religious man. But his scientific works were not based on any faith. This is true for Jagadish Bose, Ramanujan, and all other scientists and mathematicians and even this is true for all the prophets or sages to whom knowledge was revealed. All the creations by humans were the result of sweat shed by them. There was nothing divine about them. Newton had to invent a telescope, for example, to study the nature of light.     
On Jan 1, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
 
One example of how faith influences science is the spectrum of sunlight as described by Sir Isaac Newton.  Nobody with common sense would find a difference between Blue and Indigo, but Newton did.  I suppose, he was deeply influenced by his heretic faith of Christian faith called Arian heresy.  He believed in the existence of seven heavens in which seven archangels sang religious songs, and probably as the light emitted by them reached the surface of earth, it became white(or colorless).  Religion is primitive science based mainly on cosmology and herbal therapy.  Mesopotamian civilization, in spite of being an advanced one compared to that of the Egyptians, did not need an afterlife and God(s) who would behave like a tyrant king, but the Egyptians needed such a creation of the priest king named Menes.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I believe you misread my comments. What I said is - how scientific assumptions can cross over to faith. Let me give you an example, some scientists believe in the man-made global warming theory, and when data did not support their belief, they manipulated data to stick to their belief. That's how science crosses over to faith.

Now, what is eternity? It's a big unknown, isn't it? Anytime you face an unknown, you are apprehensive about it, that's what I call a fear of the unknown. As you board a plane, you are apprehensive about what's lying ahead. This is a natural psychological response. Eternity is one such unknown. It is quite natural to wonder about the eternity. As we approach it - we get apprehensive about it. It's a fact. Isn't it? What's unscientific about the fear of eternity? I don't get it. Why are you thinking about punishment or reward? I am not talking about it?  I am talking about psychological response to the eternity, which is natural, if not scientific. Isn't it?

I think - you are trying to establish something that you already believe in, which I call faith-based discussion. Under this situation, you will not conceive alternative argument.

Jiten Roy
--- On Mon, 12/31/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Questions of God and Eternity
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, December 31, 2012, 7:54 AM
 
It may not be proper to use faith in the context of science. Science uses assumption, axiom, postulate, and hypothesis. But all of these are not wild guesses or imaginations. It is true that no formal proofs are offered, but they can be obvious and theories bases on these can have prediction capabilities. It follows the so called scientific method. 
Eternity of human life can be a philosophical proposition not a scientific one. So if you say that you have fear of eternity, then you are saying this on the basis of faith. Fear, right path, etc. cannot be scientific constructs, they can well fit into a religion--Godless or without God. Right path is a relative term and can be an important topic in ethics and moral philosophy. 
You have decided on your right path and as a matter of fact we all do. These are obviously important for an individual and the society he belongs to, but this is beyond the jurisdiction of science. 
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On Dec 30, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Assumption becomes faith when it is considered as truth, without any evidence. Scientists often assume (hypothesize) something, then investigate about its validity or truth. If they fail to validate, and yet believe in it, that becomes a faith.
 
There is another kind of assumption, in which a model is assumed which helps explain some unknown phenomena. If someone thinks that the model is the truth, and asks others to accept it - it becomes his faith. God and eternity are such phenomenological models to explain some unknowns. A scientist can assume these concepts if they help him understand those unknowns. Models can be physical structures or mathematical expressions. Therefore, if models have physical structures, they can be understood in a physical sense, as the concept of Gods and Goddesses in idols.
 
Fear of eternity/unknown is always with us. Such fears keep us in line. Some people can easily overcome fear of eternity or unknown, and can do certain things that most others can't imagine.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sun, 12/30/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] About communalism and non communalism--please see my writeup as lot peole accuse Islamists of communalism--please circulate
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:13 AM

 
Fear of Unknown eternity? My humble question: Can a scientist believe in eternity in the physical sense? What is this fear about? Is it about any punishment that you may have to face? If this is so, then what are the remedies? Good works? Don't all these boil down to a concept of faith?  Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I don't know if my belief in God is circumstantial or what; it could be due to the fear of unknown eternity also. But, one thing I know for sure – I have no fear of God, if you are asking about that. I try to do everything right; that's all. Some people believe in almighty God, yet always claim to be victims of aggression from others. 
 
Anyway, I don't dwell on the existence of God or its form, because I find the concept as a very powerful psychological sanctuary. The existence of God is less important when it's a conceptual entity. So, I leave it alone, and do not feel the need to abandon the idea of God. Instead, I feel strongly that - we should abandon the concept of religion altogether, which is nothing but exploitation of the image of God to serve the petty interests of religion-peddlers on this earth.  
 
It's also not about which scientist believes in what; they are as clueless about God as any one of us. It's really a matter of personal choice. Many people do not need the concept of God, that's fine - as long as they do the right things. 

Jiten Roy

--- On Fri, 12/28/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] About communalism and non communalism--please see my writeup as lot peole accuse Islamists of communalism--please circulate
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:06 AM

 
Thanks. Virtually I don't see any difference between your "prayer" and a non-believer's "wish" for some thing. Fear factor probably is absent in your belief, I suppose. You would know better. 
Any way, recently Higgs (predictor of the so called God particle/Goddam particle or technically called Higgs-Boson), despite he himself being a non-believer has called Richard Dawkins a fundamentalist. Dawkins himself has said that an evangelical and he himself can be matched, but the former would not revise his belief in theological theories in creationism while he will do so with the new scientific and experimental evidences. 
The other day we saw the results of a survey according to which many great scientists have admitted to be believers. It is hard if not impossible to overcome the belief that has been in our psyche for centuries. Are yourself not a victim of this? 
Interestingly the Nobel Laureate physicist who coined the term "God particle" preferred the name "Goddam particle" but the latter was not acceptable to the publisher of the book he wrote. 
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On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
" How do you use your God? Meditate on  Him? If yes, how? Any rituals? And why do you need it any way? Do you pray? And if yes, what are your prayers? I mean what do you pray for?"

I use God whenever I need it for psychological support. I do not pray without specific need, and there is no special language or verse for prayer. 

Someone was about to die of lung cancer. When the news spread, people arranged a mass-prayer session in the a temple. They asked me to join the prayer, and I did. About 200 people gathered in the temple. Everybody was praying for his recovery from this dreadful disease. I was hoping that at least someone in the crowd will be able to draw the attention of God through his/h


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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]




 "Give it some time Muslims will again produce world class leaders, thinkers and innovators."

Is it a decade or hundred years? I would not hold my breath to see such great thinkers and innovators to emerge from vacuum
. Where is Muslim Harvard or MIT? If they are ever produced, they will be produced by non-Muslim countries.

Brother, more religion is not solution to anything. No country has improved it's economy with more temples, mosques and churches.
-SD


"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Reading and reflecting on the holy Qurán is a idea for all people. However to get a scholarly level knowledge of Islam one needs to have information on the Hadith and fiqh as well.

As far as Muslims migrating to western world is concern, it has been part of human history. When Bengal was rich Arabs, Europeans and Persians immigrated and even (Europeans) colonized this part of the world. During dark ages of Europe, they traveled to southern Spain where Muslims were ruling for around 800 years. It has more to do with economics than religion in most cases.

There is NO disagreement that there are plenty of room to improve in most Muslim communities. That has more to do with history (Like colonization and land grab) than religion itself. Give it some time Muslims will again produce world class leaders, thinkers and innovators.  


Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Read more Quran - it's such a good advice to the Muslim. 

--- On Tue, 1/1/13, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 10:42 AM

 
Please stop beating a dead horse! Studying a religious text book with further rigor would not serve a bit to our modern societies. The exercise would only aid religious bigots/zealots to take us to the dark days of the past that we would like to forget. No, thanks! The proof is in the pudding! Muslims are forced to migrate to other non Muslim countries for better life and education. So, more Quran is not the solution! Please sell this to the illiterates if that gives you pleasure and a free ticket to the heaven.

How do you facilitate creating an Islamic Newton or Einsteins amongst mediocre Muslims should be number one priority before Muslims loose the next game. Becoming more religious without scientific knowledge and critical thinking would only lead to a dead end and more misery. Follow the light, my dear friends!

With an Islamic constitution, Egypt has committed its first blunder. Minorities are already marginalized with that ironic democratic vote. Majority do not vote to limit minority rights. Think about Americans voting to limit Muslims rights? Would that be acceptable to you? Egypt can beat the dead horse but it won't get any mileage from the dead animal. It is sad to see Morsi becoming another Mubarak.
With regards,
Shah Deeldar 

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: mohammad miah <mahalim02@yahoo.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]

 
Thank you Mr. Qamruddin Chowdhury. I am agree with you. It very important for everybody to spend some moments of their time to learn about Islam. There are so many English translated Holy Quran, Hadith and Fiqh book is available and even there are so many Islamic Website you can find your answer too.
Thank you. May Allah blessed everyone with best Islamic knowledge.
 
Happy New to all.

From: qamruddin chowdhury <qamruddinc@yahoo.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
Quran, Hadis and Fiqh make our religion complete for abidance. Holy Quran, the divine book, was revealed to the last Prophet SAS.  And Holy Quran confirms that Rasul Allah SAS did not say anything about religion of his own.  So, Hadis is also explantions of Quran through the life, deeds and sayings of Rasul Allah SAS. Fiqh is Islamic jurisprudence and there is no contradiction in it in general.  The problem is with us so called followers of Islam who have no or little knowledge of Quran, Hadis or Fiqh but are masters of giving advice and opinions against Islamic jurisprudence.  Strictly speaking, we are today muslims by name or by birth but not by faith, except a few.   We may call ourselves anything, but in the end it's upto Allah SWT to accept us as Muslims or not. The very first questions in the grave will answer whether we are muslims or not. 
 
I request all through this forum to read the translations of the holy Quran translated by Abdulla Yusuf Ali (in English) and also the life of Prophet SAS (The Sealed Nector - available from hilalplaza.com).  This is very basic to our understanding and following.  And for informal education in a group Tablig jamat is the best without any political/worldly motives and invite you to spend four months with tablig jamat at the earliest opportunity to set the first foot in the way of aakheraat (our permanent abode).
 
Best wishes and regards.  
 
From: Taj Hashmi <taj_hashmi@hotmail.com>
To: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
Shariah is not only about chopping hands of thieves but also about enslaving women and minorities beacuse it is based on Hadis and Fiqh, not the Divine Holy Quran which is good for women and non-Muslims.

Happy New Year to All!

Taj Hashmi
To: alapon@yahoogroups.com From: qamruddinc@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:24:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America] 
Let Egypt lead.
 
By the way Sharia law does not contain only one rule, namely, chopping off of hands.  This extreme punishment is an exemplary punishment in a total secure state where there is no robbery or thuggery.  Why not implement all other Sharia laws if we call ourselves Muslims? 
 
Since we are not thieves, we do not have to be afraid of this extreme law also.  Only the thieves, robbers and thugs need to be afraid of Sharia law.  Yes, we want their hands or anything Sharia dictates chopped off, so that we normal human beings are kept safe, secure and sound.
 
 
From: Jamal Hasan <poplu@hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: [Alapon] Will Egypt become a totalitarian state? by Robert R. Reilly [former director of the Voice of America]
 
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/will_egypt_become_a_totalitarian_state  Will Egypt become a totalitarian state?   The Muslim Brotherhood wants to control all aspects of the state and personal life after consolidating its power.
The Muslim Brotherhood has made another giant step forward in consolidating its rule in Egypt through the successful passage of the newly drafted constitution by some 64 percent of those who voted. Next come the parliamentary elections in two months through which the Brotherhood will regain control of the legislative branch. In the interim, it has stacked the upper house of Parliament, called the Shura Council, with its own members who will have the power to legislate until the new lower house is elected. President Mohammed Morsi has already successfully decapitated and made peace with the powerful Egyptian military. The new constitution has given him the power to purge the Supreme Constitutional Court by reducing its size from 18 to 11 members. The president of the Lawyers' Syndicate, Sameh Ashour, pointed out the goal: "These are monopolistic plans. The Brotherhood wants to control all aspects of the state." In other words, this will be a clean sweep. Why worry? Isn't Islamist democracy just a step on the way to democracy as it is understood in the West? Isn't that why the United States is supporting Egypt, and why the US administration has courted the Muslim Brotherhood since President Barack Obama seated its members in the front row for his famous speech in Cairo in 2009? Isn't this all part of the Arab spring? The novelist Saul Bellow once wrote that, "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." To maintain the illusion that the Muslim Brotherhood is intent on transforming Egypt into a democracy requires the application of considerable ignorance. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 in reaction to Kemal Ataturk's abolition of the caliphate in 1924. Its ultimate aim is to restore the caliphate. Its vehicle for doing so, according to founder Hassan al-Banna, is a one-party system akin to that of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Al-Banna envisaged a bottom-up strategy in which people would be Islamized at the local level first. For this purpose, he created his party. After winning the masses, the Muslim Brotherhood would take total control. Why is total control necessary? The chief ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sayyid Qutb, wrote that, "Islam chose to unite earth and heaven in a single system." What does this mean? It means that the separate realms of the divine and the human have collapsed into each other, and that it will now be possible, as Qutb said, "to abolish all injustice from the earth." This, of course, is a millenarian vision similar, in many ways, to the Marxist dream of creating a classless society based on the abolition of scarcity. If perfect justice is to be achieved here, rather than before God's throne in the final judgment, several things will be required by those who institute it. They will, in fact, need the very same things that God is thought to possess in his ability to achieve perfect justice. Those two things are omnipotence and omniscience. The omnipotence will be gained through the establishment of a totalitarian regime. The omniscience will be obtained, as it always has been in totalitarian regimes, through an extensive secret police apparatus. What does the Brotherhood's version of Islam look like in this scheme? As indicated above, it does not look like a normal religion, which preserves the distinction between the earthly and the transcendent. It is a revolutionary ideology aimed at the total transformation of reality. Here is its view, as expressed by the de facto spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi: "Islam is a comprehensive school of thought, a creed, an ideology, and cannot be completely satisfied but by [completely] controlling society and directing all aspects of life, from how to enter the toilet to the construction of the state." However, some analysts suggest that, since its founding 84 years ago, the Muslim Brotherhood has evolved and, when in power, will evolve even more. This is always the hope of those who fail to recognize the essentially totalitarian nature of certain political movements and principles that are not subject to change. Similar hopes were expressed about the Nazi Party and various Marxist parties. They would mature in power, the exercise of which would transform them in a moderate direction. This, of course, did not happen, though these parties often fostered the impression that it was. Rather, these widely held illusions actually enabled these totalitarian parties to consolidate their power. The Muslim Brotherhood is a hard-core cadre party. It takes eight years of training to become a full member. Let us listen to the Brotherhood's leadership today concerning its mission and its prospects of changing. The Deputy Guide of the Brotherhood, Khairat al-Shater, said: "The mission is clear: restoring Islam and its all-encompassing conception; subjugating people to God; instituting the religion of God: the Islamization of life, empowering of God's religion; establishing the Nahda of the Ummah [Muslim nation] on the basis of Islam." As for change, al-Shater proclaimed that, "no one can come and say: 'let's change the overall mission'… No one can say, 'forget about obedience, discipline and structures'… No. All of these are constants that represent the fundamental framework for our method; the method of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is not open for developing or change." So, this is where Egypt is now headed. Some, such as Alber Saber, 27, who was accused of blasphemy this past fall, say of the Brotherhood, "They are no different from the former regime. The weapons have changed, but they are both oppressive regimes." He might very well wish this were so, but it is common experience that authoritarian regimes are considerably more limited in their reach and cruelty than totalitarian regimes. They wish to maintain power, but do not have the metaphysical ambition of transforming reality. This, in other words, will be worse than Mubarak. Sudanese writer Al-Hajj Warraq, got this exactly right in an Egyptian television interview earlier this year: "Democracy is about more than just the ballot box. Democracy is a culture engraved upon the cerebral box before it is the ballot box. One cannot talk about freedom in the absence of free minds. The tragedy of the Arab Spring is that when the tyrannical regimes fell, the fruits were reaped by movements that preach closed-mindedness, rather than free thinking. The outcome will be regimes that are worse than those that were toppled." As indicated earlier, totalitarian regimes, before achieving total control, can display considerable tactical flexibility. When the economy of the Soviet Union was near a state of collapse in the 1920s, Vladimir Lenin had no trouble in instituting a limited free market New Economic Policy, which was later revoked once the danger had passed. The Soviets were expert in creating the impression that they were changing in some fundamental way in order to gain aid from the West to save the revolution. The Muslim Brotherhood has already displayed this kind of tactical dexterity through its use of democratic rhetoric and elections to gain assistance from the West and to lull its opponents. As the Islamist Prime Minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan once said, "democracy is just the train we board to reach our destination." Displaying this kind of flexibility, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, suggested that Islamic law, sharia, should be implemented gradually in Egypt: "I think that in the first five years, there should be no chopping off of hands." One must prepare the ground first. However, the final destination has been clear from the beginning. Brotherhood founder al-Banna announced: "it is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its laws on all nations and extend its power to the entire planet." Stop the train: I want to get off.Robert R. Reilly is a member of the board of the Middle East Media Research Institute and the author of The Closing of the Muslim Mind.






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[mukto-mona] মধুপুরে ধর্ষণ ॥ যুবদল নেতাসহ গ্রেফতার ৫ জন রিমান্ডে




বৃহস্পতিবার, ৩ জানুয়ারী ২০১৩, ২০ পৌষ ১৪১৯
মধুপুরে ধর্ষণ ॥ যুবদল নেতাসহ গ্রেফতার ৫ জন রিমান্ডে
চিকিৎসাধীন স্কুলছাত্রী এখন মানসিক ভারসাম্যহীন
নিজস্ব সংবাদদাতা, টাঙ্গাইল, ২ জানুয়ারি ॥ মধুপুর উপজেলা যুবদলের যুগ্ম সম্পাদক মনিরুজ্জামান মনির নেতৃত্বে একদল নরপশুর নির্মম গণধর্ষণের শিকার নবম শ্রেণীর স্কুলছাত্রী (১৫) ঢাকা মেডিক্যাল কলেজ হাসপাতালের ওয়ানস্টপ ক্রাইসিস সেন্টারে চিকিৎসাধীন রয়েছে। সে মানসিক ভারসাম্যহীন হয়ে পড়ায় সুস্থ হয়ে উঠতে বেশ সময় লাগবে বলে চিকিৎসকরা জানিয়েছেন। এদিকে টাঙ্গাইলে পুলিশ ৪ ধর্ষক ও ধর্ষণে সহায়তাকারী এক তরুণীকে গ্রেফতার করে বুধবার দুপুরে সিনিয়র জুডিশিয়াল ম্যাজিস্ট্রেট খ-অঞ্চলের বিচারক জান্নাতুল ফেরদৌস ইবনে হকের আদালতে হাজির করে। পুলিশ আসামিদের ৭ দিনের রিমান্ডের আবেদন করলে আদালত ৪ ধর্ষককে ৩ দিন ও সহায়তাকারী বিথি আক্তার ইভাকে এক দিনের রিমান্ড মঞ্জুর করেন।
আটককৃতরা হলো ধর্ষিতার বান্ধবী বিথি আক্তার ইভা, মনিরুজ্জামান মনি, শাজাহান আলী, নুরুজ্জামান গেদা, হারুনুর রশীদ। এ গণধর্ষণের সঙ্গে জড়িতদের সর্বোচ্চ শাস্তির দাবিতে বুধবার দুপুরে টাঙ্গাইলে বিভিন্ন সংগঠন সমাবেশ ও মানববন্ধন কর্মসূচী পালন করেছে।
টাঙ্গাইল ডিবি পুলিশের ওসি হুমায়ুন কবীর জানান, গত রবিবার রাতে ধর্ষিতার বান্ধবী বিথি আক্তার ইভাকে রসুলপুর গ্রামের বাড়ি থেকে আটক করা হয়। পরে তার কথামতো সোমবার সকালে মধুপুর উপজেলার সুপ্তি কম্পিউটার দোকানে অভিযান চালিয়ে দোকানের মালিক ও মধুপুর উপজেলা যুবদলের ৩নং যুগ্ম সম্পাদক মনিরুজ্জামান মনিসহ অন্যদের গ্রেফতার করা হয়। ভিডিও দোকান থেকে অশ্লীল ভিডিও চিত্র, দুইটি কম্পিউটার, দুইটি ক্যামেরা ও সিডি উদ্ধার করে ডিবি পুলিশ।
মধুপুরের স্থানীয় জনগণ জানায়, উপজেলা যুবদলের যুগ্ম সম্পাদক মনিরুজ্জামান মনির নেতৃত্বে একটি চক্র দীর্ঘদিন ধরে এ ধরনের কুকর্ম করে আসছিল। যুবদল নেতা মনি ও তার সহযোগী বিথি নাটক, সিরিয়াল, মিউজিক ভিডিও তৈরি করত। এসব তৈরি করে তারা ডিস লাইনের মাধ্যমে প্রচারের কথা বলে টাঙ্গাইলসহ বিভিন্ন এলাকা থেকে স্কুল ও কলেজপড়ুয়া মেয়েদের এসব কাজে উদ্বুদ্ধ করত। যেসব মেয়ে মনি ও বিথির খপ্পরে পড়ত তাদের বিভিন্নভাবে যৌন নির্যাতন চালিয়ে অশ্লীল ভিডিও চিত্র ধারণ করে রাখত। পরে মনির কম্পিউটার দোকান থেকে সিডি আকারে তা বাজারে বিক্রি করা হতো।
ডিবি পুলিশের ওসি হুমায়ুন কবীর আরও জানান, ধর্ষিতা স্কুলছাত্রীর বাড়ি টাঙ্গাইল সদর উপজেলার শিবপুর তারাবাড়ী গ্রামে। তার দিনমজুর পিতার নাম ফয়েজুদ্দিন। সে সদর উপজেলা আগ বিক্রমহাটি মাহমুদুল হাসান উচ্চ বিদ্যালয়ের নবম শ্রেণীর ছাত্রী। গত ৬ ডিসেম্বর বিয়ের দাওয়াত খাওয়ার কথা বলে বিথি তার স্কুল সহপাঠীকে (ধর্ষিতা) নিয়ে যায় মধুপুরে মনির মালিকানাধীন কম্পিউটার দোকানে। সেখান থেকে তারা নির্জন পাহাড়ী এলাকার একটি বাড়িতে যায়। এরপর দিনে সেখানে তারা বিভিন্ন পাহাড়ী লোকেশনে 'নিয়তি' নামক নাটকের শুটিং করে। পরে পূর্বপরিকল্পনা মতো নুরুজ্জামান গেদার বাড়িতে যায়। রাতে মনিসহ শাজাহান আলী, নুরুজ্জামান গেদা, হারুনুর রশীদ তাকে গণধর্ষণ করে। এ সময় বিথি পাশের রুমে অবস্থান নিয়ে জোরে গান বাজাতে থাকে। এভাবে ৩দিন তাকে ওই বাড়িতে আটকে রেখে গণধর্ষণ করে। শুধু তাই নয়, নরপশুরা এ ধর্ষণের ভিডিও চিত্রও ধারণ করে। 
এরপর গত ১০ ডিসেম্বর সোমবার সদর উপজেলার রসুলপুর রেললাইনের ওপর ধর্ষিতা স্কুলছাত্রীকে মুমূর্ষু অবস্থায় ফেলে রেখে তারা চলে যায়। সংবাদ পেয়ে স্কুলছাত্রীর বড় ভাই রফিকুল আলম রেললাইন থেকে তাকে উদ্ধার করে গত ১২ ডিসেম্বর বুধবার টাঙ্গাইল সদর জেনারেল হাসপাতালে ভর্তি করেন। সেখান থেকে গত সোমবার রাতেই বাংলাদেশ মানবাধিকার বাস্তবায়ন সংস্থা পরিচালিত এসএএইচ আর প্রকল্পের আইএফও টাঙ্গাইল শাখার মাধ্যমে তাকে ঢাকায় প্রেরণ করা হয়। এ ঘটনায় ধর্ষিতার ভাই রফিকুল আলম বাদী হয়ে পাঁচজনকে আসামি করে মধুপুর থানায় মামলা দায়ের করেছে। এদিকে ধর্ষিতা স্কুলছাত্রী ঢাকা মেডিক্যাল কলেজ হাসপাতালে চিকিৎসাধীন ওই ছাত্রী এখন মানসিক ভারসাম্যহীন হয়ে পড়েছে বলে তার চিকিৎসক ডা. বিলকিস বেগম জানিয়েছেন। তিনি জানান, ঘুমের ওষুধেও তার এখন কাজ হচ্ছে না। সে মাঝে মধ্যে বলছে নরপশুরা তার ধর্ষণের চিত্র ইন্টারনেটে ছেড়ে দেয়ার হুমকি দিয়েছে। যুবদলের নেতার বিষয়ে জেলা যুবদলের সাধারণ সম্পাদক আশরাফ পাহেলী বলেন, মনি দোষী হয়ে থাকলে তাকে সংগঠন থেকে বহিষ্কার করা হবে। মামলার বিষয়ে টাঙ্গাইলের পুলিশ সুপার সালেহ মোহাম্মদ তানভীর সাংবাদিকদের বলেন, রিমান্ডে তাদের জিজ্ঞাসাবাদ করা হবে। এ চক্রের সঙ্গে আরও কেউ জড়িত থাকলে তাদেরও গ্রেফতার করা হবে। এ বিষয়ে কোন ছাড় দেয়া হবে না। 
ন্যক্কারজনক এ ঘটনায় মধুপুরসহ পুরো টাঙ্গাইলে সমালোচনার ঝড় বইছে। এ ঘটনার তীব্র নিন্দা, ক্ষোভ ও ধর্ষকদের কঠোর শাস্তির দাবি জানিয়ে ধনবাড়ী উপজেলা প্রেসক্লাব চত্বরে বুধবার বিক্ষোভ সমাবেশ করা হয়েছে। বাংলাদেশ মানবাধিকার বাস্তবায়ন সংস্থা ধনবাড়ী উপজেলা শাখা, প্রেসক্লাব ও সাংবাদিক স্মৃতি পাঠাগার মিলিতভাবে এ বিক্ষোভ সমাবেশের আয়োজন করে। মানবাধিকার বাস্তবায়ন সংস্থার সভাপতি আব্দুল্লাহ আবু এহসানের সভাপতিত্বে সমাবেশে ধর্ষকদের দৃষ্টান্তমূলক শাস্তির দাবি জানিয়ে বক্তব্য রাখেন প্রেসক্লাব সভাপতি স ম জাহাঙ্গীর আলম, মানবাধিকারকর্মী ও সাংবাদিক স্মৃতি পাঠাগারের সভাপতি আনছার আলী, জাপা নেতা জীবন মাহমুদ শক্তি, আশরাফুজ্জামান, মানবাধিকার কর্মী শাহাদৎ হোসেন, লাভলী ইয়াসমিন, রমজান আলী, সাংবাদিক বেলাল হোসেন, ডা. আবুবকর সিদ্দিক প্রমুখ।
টাঙ্গাইলে দুপুরে শহরের কোর্ট চত্বরে ইয়ুথ এন্ডিং হাঙ্গার প্রজেক্ট টাঙ্গাইল জেলা শাখার ব্যানারে মানববন্ধন করা হয়। এতে বিভিন্ন সংগঠনের নেতৃবৃন্দ স্কুলছাত্রী ধর্ষণে জড়িতদের ফাঁসি, নারীদের নিরাপত্তা এবং ধর্ষিতা ও তার পরিবারকে সর্বোচ্চ নিরাপত্তার দাবি জানান। তা না হলে তারা এর চেয়ে আরও কঠোর আন্দোলনে যাবে বলে হুমকি দেন। 

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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen



Mr. Roy,
Your points are well thought and very sensible approach towards a far safer America. I am sure, if enough people vote with their feet, something will happen with the US gun laws. But that is not happening as far as I can see. If these gun violence against innocent children or masses starts happening every other week, things might move faster towards far more stricter gun control laws. Ironically, you can find some NRA members within the parents of Sandy Hook dead children. And, there lies the problem.

The biggest elephant in the room is the attitude of certain group of people, who think they own America. Their fear is that they will be marginalized demographically soon or later and thereby loose the "control". Since this attitude is not politically correct or democratic, people have been trying to hide behind the second amendment. It is not that they are scared of commies or outer space aliens, they will take on anybody if their interest is threatened. As long as they are ruled by their own kinds, they will lay down their arms willingly.

Here is my point: If US were a homogenous country, guns would been totally controlled by its citizens and government as they are in China, Japan or many other countries with more or less homogeneous populations.
-Shah. D
  

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Avijit <charbak_bd@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 11:22 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen

 
Right Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty.

If anyone thinks we need more security and protection at schools not less, I am with him. But security in school does not have to be mutually exclusive idea of stricter gun laws for the country as a whole.

As I pointed out (in my article), the US homicide rates are 6.9 times higher than rates in similar countries. For example, Gun-homicide rate per capita in the US is almost 30 times that of Britain and Australia, 10 times that of India, and 4 times that of Switzerland. Nobody will say that the USA contains 30 times more crazy people compared to Britain. However, what the US actually has is easy access to guns.

Something is definitely fundamentally wrong in the USA when we see those statistics. I cited an example from Singapore where I lived for more than eight years and I have seen how the stricter gun-laws prohibited mass killings. I mentioned about an incident as well that just happened few hours ago when a 36-year-old man attacked 22 children at a primary school in China. None of the kids died from that incident since the man in China was only carrying a knife. Imagine what would have happened if he could get a semiautomatic rifle as easily as Adam Lanza could. I can give an example from Japan too --

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

Some points to ponder from the article :

"what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone….

Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories."

I am not saying every crime will abruptly get resolved if you apply stricter gun control laws. But when you see fifteen of the worst twenty-five mass shootings in the past half century have occurred in the U.S., then you should think twice before defending existing laws. As Michael R. Bloomberg already pointed out something like 48,000 Americans will be killed with illegal guns in the next year" if you do not change the law which I think, definitely inspire gun violence.

Avijit

--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@...> wrote:
>
> More security and protection in school will mean more gun sales. It is American Rifle Association's pet idea. Total ban will be unconstitutional and probably undesirable at this time, but restriction of kinds of fire arms a private individual should be allowed to possess legally is not. All loopholes in the licensing, registration, and trades have not inly to be removed, the processes have to be made stricter also. The government should at least achieve this much in the near future.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:
>
> > Gun-culture in the USA is going to be hard for people, like me, to understand as I came to this country from a place, where civilians have no right to bear or own arms; only criminals in the society have arms. I do not understand why it is a sport to hunt animals or be a member of the shooting range. I do not understand why no one complains about violent video games and movies, which fill young impressionable minds with violent outbursts, and make them insensitive to violence and killing. I do not understand why people buy or own so many high power-firearms for personal protections. I do not understand why President cannot halt assault weapon sell to the public right away using his executive power, if he is so touched by the recent event in Connecticut. I do not understand why he is asking senators and congressmen, who are influenced by lobbyist, to do it. I do not understand the cowboy culture in America. So, it is easy for me to ask for the ban of these weapons.
> >
> > I know President said when he was first elected to the office that he wanted to see a strong civilian force as powerful as military, if not more. Do we know what did he mean? He wanted to arm civilians for what, except to fight ideological battle or for personal protection? I know - he did not do it, but - that was the intent. I smelt Pol Pot or Stalin or Mao Tse Tung in the intent of the President, and millions of Americans do so.
> >
> > I believe - banning firearm-ownership will only disarm civilians and empower culprits. Haven't we banned drugs already? Why do we still see thousands of drug related deaths and violence on the street? Now we are begging for legalizing drug. Have we thought about it? I see civilians are ready to surrender their rights, but culprits are not. Have we thought about it?
> >
> > I know �" tragedy happened in Connecticut, but is gun control the solution? Don't we have laws against access to firearms for mentally challenged people? That did not stop this psychopath to get access to the firearms. I think - we need more security and protection at schools, not less.
> >
> > Jiten Roy
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/31/12, Avijit Roy <charbak_bd@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Avijit Roy <charbak_bd@...>
> > Subject: [mukto-mona] Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen
> > To: "Mukto-mona YahooGroups" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, December 31, 2012, 2:21 PM
> >
> >
> > I wrote a blog just after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on the necessity of Gun control in the USA:
> >
> > [Just after the Shikh Temple massacre in Wisconsin a few months ago, Time Magazine published an article titled 'The Case for Gun Control', where the author Fareed Zakaria made a strong case in favor of stricter gun control laws. Although he offered valuable insight concerning the topic, the masses paid him little attention after the media revealed that he had plagiarized a portion of the article.
> >
> > Since then, two more major massacres have taken place. Of them, the recent one was the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that occurred earlier this month in Newtown, Connecticut, where a man armed with two semiautomatic pistols killed 7 adults and 20 children, most of whom were only six years old. ] Read more from here:
> >
> > http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=1564
> >
> > I am glad to see that the modified version has also been appeared in NFB today:
> >
> > http://bangladesh-web.com/new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5829:gun-control-in-the-usa-time-to-make-it-happen&catid=39:highlights&Itemid=438
> >
> > Regards
> > Avijit
> >
>





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Re: [mukto-mona] Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen



except to fight ideological battle or for personal protection? I know - he did not do it, but - that was the intent. I smelt Pol Pot or Stalin or Mao Tse Tung in the intent of the President, and millions of Americans do so.


>>>>>>>>>>  This type of talk is good for election year but lost relevance now. No matter how you cut it, president Obama is still leader of the " Capitalist world". I don't think he ever wanted to turn it into anything near communist system. Maybe average Americans know VERY little about communist system and gullible enough buy such propaganda.

However like every system, American laws and culture needs to be re-visited. Gun was important and essential 280 years ago when natives and settlers gotten into frequent fights but today it became more of a burden on " Modern America". 

Now we are begging for legalizing drug

>>>>>>>>>> The movement is to legalize Ganga/Marijuana not hard core chemicals. While I am against it but calling it "Begging for legalizing drug" is a bit inaccurate.

I see civilians are ready to surrender their rights


>>>>>>>>>>> Now a days very few educated people call carrying guns a " Right". Even in conflict torn Israel have much stricter gun control laws (Albeit government regularly arm settlers) in most cases. In a civilized and modern country, no citizen should be forced to carry guns to protect themselves. Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, UK, U.A.E has lot less violence than the US.

As I said earlier, this will be tough discussion because gun culture is engrained in American culture. I do not think most mid-western and southern states will be willing to give it up to any perceived liberal president. So unless some republican come up with a bold proposal, this discussion will die down like many earlier discussions.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:55 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen

 
Gun-culture in the USA is going to be hard for people, like me, to understand as I came to this country from a place, where civilians have no right to bear or own arms; only criminals in the society have arms. I do not understand why it is a sport to hunt animals or be a member of the shooting range. I do not understand why no one complains about violent video games and movies, which fill young impressionable minds with violent outbursts, and make them insensitive to violence and killing. I do not understand why people buy or own so many high power-firearms for personal protections. I do not understand why President cannot halt assault weapon sell to the public right away using his executive power, if he is so touched by the recent event in Connecticut. I do not understand why he is asking senators and congressmen, who are influenced by lobbyist, to do it. I do not understand the cowboy culture in America. So, it is easy for me to ask for the ban of these weapons.

I know President said when he was first elected to the office that he wanted to see a strong civilian force as powerful as military, if not more. Do we know what did he mean? He wanted to arm civilians for what, except to fight ideological battle or for personal protection? I know - he did not do it, but - that was the intent. I smelt Pol Pot or Stalin or Mao Tse Tung in the intent of the President, and millions of Americans do so.

I believe - banning firearm-ownership will only disarm civilians and empower culprits. Haven't we banned drugs already? Why do we still see thousands of drug related deaths and violence on the street? Now we are begging for legalizing drug. Have we thought about it? I see civilians are ready to surrender their rights, but culprits are not. Have we thought about it?

I know – tragedy happened in Connecticut, but is gun control the solution? Don't we have laws against access to firearms for mentally challenged people? That did not stop this psychopath to get access to the firearms. I think - we need more security and protection at schools, not less.

Jiten Roy

--- On Mon, 12/31/12, Avijit Roy <charbak_bd@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Avijit Roy <charbak_bd@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Gun Control in the USA: Time to Make It Happen
To: "Mukto-mona YahooGroups" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, December 31, 2012, 2:21 PM

 
I wrote a blog just after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on the necessity of Gun control in the USA:

[Just after the Shikh Temple massacre in Wisconsin a few months ago, Time Magazine published an article titled 'The Case for Gun Control', where the author Fareed Zakaria made a strong case in favor of stricter gun control laws. Although he offered valuable insight concerning the topic, the masses paid him little attention after the media revealed that he had plagiarized a portion of the article.

Since then, two more major massacres have taken place. Of them, the recent one was the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that occurred earlier this month in Newtown, Connecticut, where a man armed with two semiautomatic pistols killed 7 adults and 20 children, most of whom were only six years old. ]
Read more from here:

http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=1564

I am glad to see that the modified version has also been appeared in NFB today:



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