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Monday, February 13, 2012

[ALOCHONA] Very few misdeeds of of Gen Zia out of his millions of crime, misdeeds -



Very few misdeeds of Gen Zia out of his millions of crime, misdeeds:

 

·         Gen Zia had illegally participated in President Election and party politics - though he was a government servant at that time!

 

·         Gen Zia illegally executed Coln Taher (A veteran freedom fighter & sector commander also his comrade and a disable freedom fighter) first then he made the law for execution

 

·         Gen Zia hanged thousands (highest number) of Army-Air force-Navy personal and political personal by summery trial or without trial

 

·         Many BCL & AL leaders-workers were GUM in Gen Zia's era (one example is, the then Dhaka City BCL leader Mahfuz Babu – who was hijacked by Gen Zia's special force and never returned dead or alive)

 

·         On 3rd November, 1979, Hartal day, Gen Zia's special police truck moved on the procession led by Razaak Vai-Tofael Vai near Dhaka Press club. AL & BCL workers saved them by building human shield and though their bloods and lives!

 

·         Gen Zia had pardoned the notorious convicted killer Shafiul Alam Pradhan. He was killer of 7 students of Dhaka University in 1974. Shafiul Alam Pradhan was popular General Secretary of BCL (Pro Govt) in 1974 and he was also Organizing Secretary of BCL (Pro Govt) in 1973. This killer, Shafiul Alam Pradhan was arrested and trialed during AL era, though he was top leader of BCL (Pro Govt) at that time. This convicted killer, Shafiul Alam Pradhan was caught while he was robbering a gold shop in Baitul Mukarram, Dhaka in Zia era and he (SAP) was pardoned again by Gen Zia.

 

·         It was General Zia who had appointed Shah Azizur Rahman, Col Mustafizur Rahman, Abdul Alim as his prime minister and home minister and Communication minister respectively, who were branded anti-liberation elements.

 

·         Gen Zia imposed overt and covert censorship on TV and print media

 

·         It was General Zia who had issued visa to Pakistani citizen Razakar Golam Azam for unlimited period and allowed to enter this anti Bangladesh person to Bangladesh and to carry on Jamat (NaPaki) politics!

 

·         It was General Zia who had not renewed the Bangladesh passport of Sayed Ashraf, the son of 1st Acting President of Bangladesh, Sayed Nazrul Islam and later revoked his BD passport and forced him to settle overseas.

 

What an irony, topmost Razakar Golam Azam (also Pakistani citizen) was allowed to come in Bangladesh and son of top most Freedom Fighter was barred to enter in Bangladesh!

 

 

Gen Zia had made all these crimes, for his vision of "difficult politics" for politicians. Gen Zia who had said, "I shall make politics difficult for the politicians".

 



 
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[mukto-mona] TROUBLE IN PARADISE: Maldives and Islamic Extremism



 
MALE — At the Maldives' National Museum, smashed Buddhist statues are testament to the rise of Islamic extremism and Taliban-style intolerance in a country famous as a laid-back holiday destination.
On Tuesday, as protesters backed by mutinous police toppled president Mohamed Nasheed, a handful of men stormed the Chinese-built museum and destroyed its display of priceless artefacts from the nation's pre-Islamic era.
"They have effectively erased all evidence of our Buddhist past," a senior museum official told AFP at the now shuttered building in the capital Male, asking not to be named out of fear for his own safety.
"We lost all our 12th century statues. They were made of coral stone and limestone. They are very brittle and there is no way we can restore them," he explained.
"I wept when I heard that the entire display had gone. We are good Muslims and we treated these statues only as part of our heritage. It is not against Islam to display these exhibits," he said.
Five people have since been arrested after they returned the following day to smash the CCTV cameras, he said.
The authorities have banned photography of the damage, conscious that vandalism of this kind which echoes the 2001 destruction of the Bamiyan Buddha statues in Afghanistan by the Taliban is damaging for the nation's image.
The gates of the two-storeyed grey building, which opened in 2010, are padlocked and an unarmed guard keeps watch.
The Maldives, a collection of more than 1,100 coral-fringed islands surrounded by turquoise seas, is known as a "paradise" holiday destination that draws hundreds of thousands of travellers and honeymooners each year.
Visitors' contact with the local population is deliberately kept at bay, however, with most foreigners simply transferring from the main international airport directly to their five-star resorts on outlying islands.
Few have any idea they are visiting a country of 330,000 Muslims with no religious freedom, where women can be flogged for extramarital sex and consuming alcohol is illegal for locals.
Islam is the official religion of the Maldives and open practice of any other religion is forbidden and liable to prosecution.
The religious origins of the Maldivian people are not clearly established, but it is believed that a Buddhist king converted to Islam in the 12th century.
Thereafter, the country practised a mostly liberal form of the religion, but more fundamentalist interpretations have spread with the arrival of money and ultra-conservative Salafist preachers from the Middle East.
In 2007, following a bombing that wounded a dozen foreign tourists, the former president Maumoon Abdul Gayoom banned head-to-toe coverings for women as a sign of his intent to battle conservative Islamic thinking.
At the museum, another official said that fundamentalists had threatened to attack the museum on previous occasions unless it withdrew the Buddhist display.
The country's ultra-conservative Islamic group, the Adhaalath Party, condemned the attack, but said they remained opposed to Nasheed's decision to accept three monuments from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
"Our constitution does not allow idols and that is why we objected to the monuments," General Secretary Mohamed Muizzu said, referring to the gifts to mark a South Asian summit held in November in the Maldives.
The monuments, which included one of pillar featuring Buddhist motifs, and which had been on display in the southernmost island of Addu, have all since been vandalised.
The Adhaalath party supports new president Mohamed Waheed, who Nasheed accuses of taking part in a coup, and is due to join the new government.
Waheed called the museum attack "totally unacceptable" and denied there was religious violence in his country.
Former foreign minister Ahmed Naseem disagreed.
He said extremists were thriving in the Maldives and that they were partly responsible for the toppling of Nasheed and the installation of Waheed. "What we had was a military coup backed by religious extremists," he said.
"There is a strong influence of Islamic fundamentalists in the country and they will get stronger," Naseem told AFP. "These groups are funded from abroad. "This threat is not only to us, but the rest of the world as well."
The moderate Nasheed, who was educated in Sri Lanka and Britain, was consistently accused of being under the control of Jews and Christians by religious opposition parties now linked to the government
There were also demonstrations over proposals from the transport ministry to allow direct flights from Israel.
"We strongly condemn the anti-Semitic words and the other commentary recently," US assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs Robert Blake said during a visit to Male on Saturday.
"Under President Nasheed, the Maldives tried to improve relations with Israel and showed what a progressive country they were and we really commend them for that."


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Re: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong



The historical fact is that many muslim conquerers, rulers, fanatics, militants, and miscreants have destoyed houses of worship of other religious communities. Even Shiite mosques are being bombed by Sunnis. You may get a lot of examples from the past as well as from the present. But if you say those who have done this or are still doing this are not true muslims, then that's a different matter.

From: Mohammad Choudhury <msuc@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong
 
It's against Islam to destroy anything or hate any human being whatever religion he/she follows [even in Islamic state any one can freely practice any religion, as "No compulsion in the religion"]. A Muslim is the one who follows the True Guidance, the Qur'an, which have been revealed for guidance of all human beings and in absence of the Prophet (sas) each and every Muslim is a representative of the Prophet to give the messages of the Qur'an to others who are not Muslims. It naturally follows that a Muslim cannot hate, undermine or even dishonor a non-Muslim since that person is a potential Muslim. This is the main reason for which a Muslim should honor any non-Muslim as his/her brother/sister [since Adam was our father and all human beings are from him] and give da'wa with wisdom. So how can a Muslim destroy a Church, Synagogue,  Temple or any other place of worship of any other human being? The main purpose of a Muslim's life will be shattered.

Mohammad Shu'a Uddin Choudhury
To: jnrsr53@yahoo.com; aanis06@yahoo.com; anis.ahmed@netzero.net; ovimot@yahoogroups.com; muktomoncho@yahoo.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.comCC: captchowdhury@yahoo.ca; srbanunz@gmail.com; manik195709@yahoo.comFrom: mohiuddin@netzero.netDate: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:47:18 +0000Subject: Fw: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong  
Mr. Roy,
 
Please send this video to Bangladesh  Prime Ministers office and BHBCUC(Bangladesh Hindu Bouddho Christian Unity Council)as well as to HRW office.
Hasina's chatukars won't let her watch this video,I believe.
Thanks for posting this important video.
Sincere3ly,
---------- Forwarded Message ----------From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.comSubject: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from ChittagongDate: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:18:24 -0800 (PST) 
Please click on the link below to see the Temple and Deity destruction in Chittagong. You can also play a video clip in the link by clicking on the arrow:
 
http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?id=218015&cid=2
 
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RE: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong



It's against Islam to destroy anything or hate any human being whatever religion he/she follows [even in Islamic state any one can freely practice any religion, as "No compulsion in the religion"]. A Muslim is the one who follows the True Guidance, the Qur'an, which have been revealed for guidance of all human beings and in absence of the Prophet (sas) each and every Muslim is a representative of the Prophet to give the messages of the Qur'an to others who are not Muslims. It naturally follows that a Muslim cannot hate, undermine or even dishonor a non-Muslim since that person is a potential Muslim. This is the main reason for which a Muslim should honor any non-Muslim as his/her brother/sister [since Adam was our father and all human beings are from him] and give da'wa with wisdom. So how can a Muslim destroy a Church, Synagogue,  Temple or any other place of worship of any other human being? The main purpose of a Muslim's life will be shattered.

Mohammad Shu'a Uddin Choudhury


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From: mohiuddin@netzero.net
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:47:18 +0000
Subject: Fw: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong

 

Mr. Roy,
 
Please send this video to Bangladesh  Prime Ministers office and BHBCUC(Bangladesh Hindu Bouddho Christian Unity Council)as well as to HRW office.
Hasina's chatukars won't let her watch this video,I believe.
Thanks for posting this important video.
Sincere3ly,


---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mukto-mona] Temple & Deity destrucion news from Chittagong
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:18:24 -0800 (PST)


 
Please click on the link below to see the Temple and Deity destruction in Chittagong. You can also play a video clip in the link by clicking on the arrow:
 
 
Jiten Roy
 
 


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RE: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom



Mr. Roy,
Why you should ignore?
Why not demanding justice from the government ?
How long you people will remain silent when Deity Murthi is destroyed ?
Speak to demand justice and culprits should receive justice.

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From: GT International <gti82@hotmail.com>
To: <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:46:23 +0000

 


 Mr. Roy,
I would suggest IGNORE..........IGNORE.........IGNORE....
By now hope you got to know Mr. Anwar little better as to what he stands for.
Thanks, Russel
 

To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:18:41 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom

 
Mr. Mohiuddin Said: "Do something to protect minority interest, otherwise Jamat will demand punishment for the Murthi destruction and monority harrasment."
 

 

I do not know if I will laugh or cry for joy hearing the above statement from Mr. Mohiuddin.

Jiten Roy


--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, jnrsr53@yahoo.com, guhasb@gmail.com, captchowdhury@yahoo.ca, rkhundkar@earthlink.net, aanis06@yahoo.com, ovimot@yahoogroups.com, dahuk@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:50 AM

 
Sri Jiten Roy,
 
Instead of criticizing  Jamat/BNP for the suffering f minorities in Hathazari area why don;t you blame BAL government for failing to
protect the minorities interest. Jamat/BNP not in power now and can't do any harm to any one because Bangladesh already became
a Police state. There is no gurantee for peoples lives under Hasina rule. Killing, abduction, looting ,tender terrorism, rape is out of control.
In addition to that minority suffering incresed. Stll minorities not protesting against the so called secular government. The reason is  unknown to us.
Unity Council doing practically nothing. They should have demonstrated against Hathazari incident at home and abroad. 
Do something to protect minority interest, otherwise Jamat will demand punishment for the Murthi destruction and monority harrasment.




na] Fw: Hathazari Pogrom
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:07:34 -0800 (PST)

 
FYI

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, unitycouncilusa@aol.com <unitycouncilusa@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues:
 
The incident of minority persecution that happened in Hathazari and its vicinity this past Thursday and Friday is not unusual in Bangladesh after the passage of the 15th Amendment. You all remember what happened throughout the country in 1988 after the passage of the 8th Amendment.  What shocked us is that when leaders of Unity Council urged the IG to intervene, he told them that the police were not equipped to stop the carnage.   This is clearly an absurd excuse.  It happened during the Luxmi Bazaar pogrom (Sutrapur eviction); there was clear instruction to the police not to intervene. The police stood-by while the campaign of cleaning continued.  The same thing repeated in this case also.
 
This area is strategically important for Jamat/BNP and pro-Pakistani forces in Bangladesh. Jamat/Shibir has many militant training outposts in the vicinity of the border-belt; we believe - they are unable to establish the logistical linkage of those facilities to the mainland because of large religious minority population in this area. Radical Islamists have opened numerous Madrassas in this largely religious minority community - yet, failed to gain control of this area. They have been trying to persecute religious minority communities to vacate this area for a very long time. If anything, religious minorities in this area deserve protection from the Awami-government, who claims to be secular,  for acting as a buffer against the radical Islamists� invasion. Unfortunately, they were surprised to see that Awami-government was nowhere near them when they desperately needed protection. This is a defeat for spirit of secularism in Bangladesh.
 
Please peruse the attached news and also watch the video.  We are doing what we can within our limited ability. We are trying to appraise the world of the role the government played as the Islamic nationalists/extremists were conducting their campaign of minority cleansing. 
 
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Dwijen Bhattacharjya
General Secretary
Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council, USA
 
 
 
 
Temples, shops of Hindus attacked at Hathazari
 
 
 
Fri, Feb 10th, 2012 7:09 pm BDST
 
 

Chittagong, Feb 10 (bdnews24.com) � Authorities clamped Section 144 banning public gathering at Hathazari on Friday amid mounting tensions after several Hindu temples were vandalised and torched there.

Local people claimed religious bigots of Jamaat-e-Islami and its student wing Chhatra Shibir incited the vandalism and arson of the temples from Thursday evening to Friday noon.

Tensions that boiled over into violence originated Thursday morning following rumours that a mosque had been attacked. Allegations have it that houses of Hindus in the area were also attacked. The leaders of the Hindu minority there blamed the 'indifference' of the administration for the situation.


Another group of people took to the Chittagong-Rangamati road blocking traffic from Nandirhat to Hathazari Sadar Upazila around 11am Friday. They also said their Friday prayers on the road.

They alleged a mosque had allegedly been hurled with brick bats from a procession of Loknath Sebashram Thursday morning. The blockaders demanded arrest of those linked with 'hurling brick bats on the mosque'.

After simmering tensions through the day, primary and mass education minister Afsarul Ameen, city Awami League president A B M Mohiuddin Chowdhury, Chittagong Development Board chairman Abdus Salam and city Awami League's joint secretary Ibrahim Hossain Chowdhury Babul went to the area and calmed the agitated locals in the afternoon.

"Tensions mounted following a misunderstanding. Security in temples and mosques in the area has been strengthened and the law enforcers have been alerted," Ameen said.

Chittagong district deputy commissioner Faiz Ahmed told reporters about the ban on public assembly through the imposition of Section 144.

"Police will take action if they see any gathering," he said.

TIT FOR TAT: THE ORIGIN

According to the local people, Hindus in the area took out a procession to celebrate the founding anniversary of Loknath Sevasram Thursday morning.

They used microphone and drums in the procession.

When the procession was passing a mosque, Muslims in the mosque forbade them to drums. At one stage, someone hurled a brick bat on the procession.

An altercation took place at once which turned into chase and counter-chase when someone from the procession responded by throwing a brick bat.

Police organised a meeting between the two parties which was allegedly delayed with ill-intention. A group of Muslims said that the meeting will be held in the mosque and the Hindus agreed.

The meeting started in the evening. Requesting anonymity, several of those who attended the meeting told bdnews24.com that a handful of miscreants vandalised a temple on the Loknath Sevasram premises when the meeting was underway.

They also vandalised seven to eight cars of the temple's visitors.

Puja Udjapon Committee convenor Ashok Kumar Deb told bdnews24.com that someone broke a windowpane of the mosque after the incident in the morning and a rumour that Hindus vandalised the mosque spread in the area.

On Friday morning, temples in the area were vandalised and shops owned by Hindus were torched and looted after madrasa students in the area gathered following an announcement through a PA system.

A bdnews24.com correspondent in Chittagong said he saw tell-tale signs of vandalism in three other temples in the area. They are the Sri Sri Jagadeshwari Ma Temple and Jagannath Bigroho Temple at Nandirhat and Kalibari Temple at Sadar Upazila.

The Sri Sri Jagadeshwari Ma Temple was burnt, too.

JAMAAT-SHIBIR BLAMED

Many of the people in the area said a quarter is provoking the incident and Zila Parishad administrator M A Salam pointed the finger at Jamaat-e-Islami and its student wing Islami Chhatra Shibir.

As the area is only three kilometres away from the Chittagong University (CU), many of the leaders and activists of Chhatra Shibir's CU unit live there.

Moreover, the largest madrasa of the country is located in the area and Shibir allegedly controls it.

Zila Parishad administrator Salam said adequate police were not deployed in the area to tackle the situation after Thursday's incident.

Salam, an Awami League leader, said Jamaat and Shibir leaders were fuelling the tension to destabilise the situation after CU was ordered shut on Wednesday following deaths of two Shibir men in clashes with activists of pro-government students.

Hathazari Thana BNP chief S M Fazlul Haque blamed the administration for the unpleasant events.

"The situation would not have been like this in the first place had the administration been on alert at the beginning," he said.

Haque added that all local supporters and activists of BNP were asked to work together to protect communal harmony in the locality.

Local MP and Jatiya Party presidium member Anisul Islam Mahmud went to the area in the morning but failed to get the situation any better.

The disturbing developments prevented the annual festival of the Loknath Temple to begin Friday morning. A large number of Rapid Action Battalion members and police have been deployed there.
 
 
Please click  to see the video of the pogrom: http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?id=218015&cid=2

bdnews24.com/corr/mu/mc/ost/bd/2345h
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly



"In which language hamra means an alter".  Before you learn anything, first learn the difference between 'altar ' and 'alter'.  Arabic, by the way, is a derivative of the Nestorian language; the kufic script being made international by the Assyrians.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

In which language hamra means an alter where the children were sacrificed? Aramic, Hebrew, anything else?
 
There is no end of learning :-)
 
I thought hamra is an Arabic word meaning red.
 
 
There is a massive palace in Granada, Spain named Al-hamra (also written as Alhambra) built by Moorish rulers. Calat AlHambra (Qillatul Hamra = Red Fort in Arabic) is a designated World Heritage Site. 'Ab' generally means father (Abu or Abi means someones father).
 
I'll become crazy if I keep getting such big doses of 'knowledge'.


--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, February 13, 2012, 9:49 AM

Now a days, it is believed that Abraham changed his name at ninety
nine years of age from Ab-hamra, hamra being the altar where the
children were sacrificed, and he was a professional slaughterer.  As
he was not certain of his parenthood of either of the children, he
banished the first one with his mother to the desert of Mecca, and
took the second one to the mount of Moriah.  In the last moment he
changed mind, and slaughtered a sheep, came back to where he lived and
told his Phoenician friends that sacrificing one's own child.
However, the practice did not wither away soon.  It lasted till the
time advent of Christianity.

Why were the first born children sacrificed, one may ask?  It was
widely believed that children were born due to the cardinal sin of
making love.  So the God had to be appeased by sacrificing the first
born child as burnt offering.  The real reason might have been much
more heinous.  The priests loved the roasted meat of newly born
children.  In those days, animal farming was not done on a commercial
scale.  Child sacrifice was common across the known world.  Even
Agamemnon had to sacrifice his eldest daughter Iphigenia before he
could sail his armada towards Troy.

On 2/13/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With a lot of reluctance, I am commenting on the illogical and
> less-than-honest verbiage in Mr. Rahman's post below. He highlights only a
> part of a sentence and 'wants to 'correct' some wrong assumption'! Anyone
> who can comprehend English would see that I did not criticize the Muslim
> practice of sacrificing animals in general; I criticized the practice of
> killing/sacrificing one particular animal which the Hindus consider like a
> god. The essence/implication of my point was, why cow, why be hurtful to
> your neighbor, why not find a different animal? Let me preempt people like
> Mr. Rahman by advising them not to bother finding a cow to be 75% similar to
> the animal that was sacrificed as per the holy story, as opposed to a goat
> being 60% similar. Muslims could certainly give up the extra 15% similarity
> out of respect for their neighbors, and out of caring for a harmonious
> coexistence with the neighbors, while following their own religious
> tradition.
>
> Now let me bring up a point that I did not do in my last post or in the
> above paragraph. It is regarding this tradition of sacrificing
> animals/humans for God. As far as I know, the pre-Islamic prophet Ibrahim
> was ready to sacrifice his son Ishmail to express his true devotion to God.
> The Hindus used to sacrifice little children to please their God by offering
> the purest/most sinless thing. Of course, this kind of human sacrifices
> would be seriously prosecuted in today's world, because we are civilized
> enough to realize that the person that is to be offered/sacrificed has a
> right to this world, which even his/her father can not take away; devotion
> to God or not.
>
> Sukhamaya Bain
>
> From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
>
>
> Here is an example of hatred that is based upon religious identity, as
> opposed to religious belief. The Muslims of Bangladesh kill cows with a lot
> of fanfare at one of their holy days. So far I know, Islam does not tell
> Muslims to kill or sacrifice cow. The way I see it, they could follow their
> religion fully without killing an animal that their Hindu neighbors consider
> like a god.>>>>>>>>>>  As I stated many times in this forum that, ignorance
> leads to misunderstanding between people and communities. I have no issues
> with the points made and opinions shared. Just wanted to 'Correct" some
> wrong assumptions. Actually for our Eid-ul-adha (AKA Korbanir eid) is to
> honor sacrifices made any prophet Abraham (PBUH). Since Biblical time people
> have been sacrificing animals in various religions. Hindus of this
> sub-continent are also known for "Boli dan" with animals as well. I do
> understand that, cow is respected by practicing Hindus. Albeit scholars of
> Hinduism
>  at times say beef is not mentioned in the Gita and ancient Hindus actually
> consumed beef but stop taking it after Jainism became popular in India.
> Either this was adopted for religion or culture is not very important but it
> is essential for Muslims to sacrifice animal during this Eid.
>
>
> My feeling is if conversions to Islam in the subcontinent had more love for
> Islam, as opposed to hatred for the Hindus, cow killing and beef eating
> would not have been like a religious ritual for the Muslims>>>>>>>>>> Again
> this goes back thousands of years and Muslims all over the world sacrifice
> animals (Camel, cows, goat etc) during this Eid-al-Adha. I think we could
> get away with lot less "Sacrifices" during this festival. Wealthy people
> sometime sacrifice too many animals to show off. Only God knows true
> intentions and I speak based on my "Personal" observation only. I also
> realize it is a difficult time for many of our Hindu citizens of Bangladesh.
> Overall I think Bangladeshis managed to have a balanced approach with our
> festivals. I think last year or year before Durga puja happened during holy
> month of Ramadan (AKA ramjan) and it went pretty smoothly. Lastly there is
> no doubt that there are many opportunities to improve understanding from
> both
>  communities. Just wanted to replace some wrong information with Islamic
> info (Since you were commenting on Islamic rituals here!). Shalom!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>To:
> mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 10:20
> amSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
>
> I agree with Dr. Das's sarcasm, "The Indian subcontinent offers a glaring
> example of 'religious tolerance'." I also agree to a large extent with his
> point on the killing, forcible conversion, and displacement of millions of
> people in our subcontinent.
>
> However, I would point to two hate factors, religious belief and religious
> identity, the latter was probably more responsible for the devastation that
> Dr. Das mentioned.
>
> Here is an example of hatred that is based upon religious identity, as
> opposed to religious belief. The Muslims of Bangladesh kill cows with a lot
> of fanfare at one of their holy days. So far I know, Islam does not tell
> Muslims to kill or sacrifice cow. The way I see it, they could follow their
> religion fully without killing an animal that their Hindu neighbors consider
> like a god.
>
> My feeling is if conversions to Islam in the subcontinent had more love for
> Islam, as opposed to hatred for the Hindus, cow killing and beef eating
> would not have been like a religious ritual for the Muslims. I would welcome
> any historical knowledge and correction/clarification from Dr. Das and
> others on this.
>
> Talking about eating beef, personally I do eat beef; we even cook beef at
> our home. But I would not kill a cow in front of anyone who considers the
> animal like a god, nor would I entice anyone to eat pork if I know that he
> considers eating that meat as a sin.
>
> Well, that's all for now,
>
> Sukhamaya Bain
>
> From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
>
>
> The Indian subcontinent offers a glaring example of 'religious tolerance'.
> In the last century, over a million killed and tens of millions displaced
> due to religious belief.  The number of forcible conversions are beyond
> count.  Mr. Chakravarty is not only an appeaser and an optimist who would
> see no evil, hear no evil, though speak evil sometimes.
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, when I talk about "How to follow religions correctly", I certainly
>> mean what should be the "practiced versions of religions." To practice
>> religions like civilized human beings who care about harmonious
>> coexistence of all innocent people, followers of most religions have to
>> edit their religions and/or ignore some aspects of their religions to fit
>> their common sense and what Dr. Roy called "human compassion."
>>
>>I am sure Mr. Chakrabarty and I have seen innocent people who actually have
>> very little knowledge of their religions. They realize that their God has
>> also created people who do not have the same thoughts about God. They
>> could see that it would be wrong for them to hate, discriminate against,
>> or commit atrocities against other kinds of people. These people are good
>> primarily because of their good common sense, not because of their
>> religions.
>>
>>I have no argument with Mr. Chakrabarty about good practiced versions of
>> religions. However, "Every religion teaches tolerance about other
>> religions"is a wrong statement if we go by what quite a few of the
>> religions are by their books.
>>
>>Sukhamaya Bain
>>
>>
>>From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
>>To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 11:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
>>
>>    * Both Jiten Roy and Sukhamaya Bain need to read my message on the
>> "practiced" version of a religion. Peaceful coexistence is not a myth
>> (exampe, Hindus vs Muslims in Bengal). Peace has sometimes been broken by
>> nasty politics. During communal riots the members of the two different
>> religious communities give shelter to one another. We just need to reflect
>> on the past and the present as well.
>>    * Religion is not a unique thing. It has infinite versions. There are
>> infinite levels of religious belief. If you want to program your GPS, make
>> sure where you want to go, in other words, which version of religion is
>> your destination.
>>
>>    * Here you go Mr. Roy: "Whatever tolerance we see is due to societal laws,
>> and out of human compassion." That is what I am talking about: this is the
>> practiced religion. You have mentioned only two determinants. There are
>> many more forces that tend to keep religions universally appealing. That
>> helps build communal harmony. But there is always a risk.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
>>To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
>>
>>
>>Religion is like a GPS device, if you follow the turn-by-turn direction of
>> it, you will end up in a predefined culture. This part is well tested and
>> verified. Anything else is just guesswork or pipedream.
>>
>>Religion, being a GPS system that can only take you to a predefined
>> culture, cannot be used as a political system for a multicultural society.
>> If you do, you will enforce a particular culture onto a multicultural
>> society, and the outcome will be chaos and calamity in an otherwise
>> peaceful society.
>>
>>When we talk about religious tolerance, we should also remember that
>> religion is a business also. Do you think any business like competitors?
>> Whatever tolerance we see is due to societal laws, and out of human
>> compassion. In my view, religion is a cultural hegemony, nothing more. As
>> a result, the history of religious coexistence is written in blood.
>>
>>Jiten Roy--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
>>>To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 8:26 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I would like to comment on the following two comments:
>>>
>>>S. Chakrabarty: "Every religion teaches tolerance about other religions."
>>>
>>>J. Roy: "Most people believe in Allah in their own way."
>>>
>>>S. Bain: Mr. Chakrabarty is very wrong here. I like Dr. Roy's statement.
>>> Please see below for some elaborations of these two comments.
>>>
>>>None of the Abrahamic religions tolerate idolatry, which is a Hindu
>>> religious practice. People who identify themselves in terms of an
>>> Abrahamic religion, yet tolerate idolatry, do it in spite of their
>>> religion, not because of it. For example, many Christian communities in
>>> the USA allow Durga Puja in the churches because they have advanced
>>> enough to ignore some of the aspects of their religion, not because
>>> Christianity is not against idolatry. Enough reading and honest
>>> interpretations of the fundamentals of religions would show that many
>>> religions consider the following of other religions to be inappropriate,
>>> wrong, sinful and even punishable. I am personally reluctant to dig
>>> deeper into that. But I am sure Mr. Chakrabarty would find the example of
>>> idolatry that I noted here to be a valid one.
>>>
>>>While almost all Muslims use the Arabic word Allah for the English word
>>> God, the word Allah was in use long before Islam came into being. Thus,
>>> Muslims really do not have a proprietary right on the word Allah. When a
>>> Christian or a Hindu prays to God, he is praying to Allah. In fact the
>>> Arab Christians do call God Allah. A Hindu should be able to use the
>>> Arabic word Allah as much as he uses the English word God to do his way
>>> of praying, including what would be clearly un-Islamic. A Bangalee Muslim
>>> should have no problem using the word "Ishwar" instead of the word
>>> "Allah." That should not cause anyone to lose his Islam.
>>>
>>>Well, that's all for now.
>>>
>>>Sukhamaya Bain
>>>**************************************************
>>>
>>>"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>>> to say it".                -Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre],
>>> 190
>>>
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