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Saturday, October 13, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Thoughts on the Atrocities on the Buddhists of Ramu



"It is foolish to talk about Mohammad forgiving people who insulted him"- Contrary to the Islamist claim, the Prophet of Islam did not generally forgive the persons who insulted him according to his biographers.  Neither do his followers, many would even risk their lives to redress whatever they consider an insult on their prophet.

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Let me address some of the points made by Mr. Rahman and Mr. Chakrabarty.
 
First on Mr. Chakrabarty's points:
 
True, religious identity is just one of the many identities one has. The problem is, for some people their religious identity overshadows most other identities.
 
It is also true that in many cases religious identity does not dominate. Do you really think that most Bangladeshi Muslims fall into that category, Mr. Chakrabarty? If not, then you might see the Muslim psyche to be a problem for Bangladesh. Let us be honest here. It may be politically correct to not blame the overall psyche of a people. But tell me, would you expect in countries like the USA, the UK, Japan, China, and India, for example, even an intention of causing havoc on the Muslim community due to a fact of insult by one individual Muslim on the God or gods or prophet of Christianity, Buddhism or Hinduism? Make a distinction between intention and execution. A better law and order situation can stop an execution, but not an intention. To not have such intentions people overall need to be better educated.
 
Now, on Mr. Rahman's points:
 
Talking about 'we are mourning', we have seen this kind of 'mourning' many times in East Bengal. It did not stop the repetition of the atrocities.
 
Mr. Rahman's comparison between Ramu and Assam and Myanmar is devoid of rationale, if not insincere. In Assam, the cause was not an insult on any Hindu prophet (avatar) or God. In Myanmar, the cause was not an insult on Buddha. I hope he can now see the problem with the Muslim psyche.
 
While the symptom can be treated with improved law and order in Bangladesh, to cure the disease, Muslims would need the sense that an insult on Allah or His book, the Koran, or His prophet, Mohammad, should be punished only by Allah Himself, not by humans.
 
It is foolish to talk about Mohammad forgiving people who insulted him, while talking about the atrocities on the Buddhist community because of an alleged insult on the Koran. Forgiveness is great, and Mohammad was great when he forgave. But that would be comparable if someone insulted Mr. Rahman, and he forgave the insulter.
 
As I condemned the insults on Mohammad in the video, Innocence of Muslims, and in the magazine, Charlie Hebdo, I also condemn the insult on the Koran in the Facebook page of Uttam Barua. However, all the condemnations should have been in words, spoken or written, against the insulters only. Of course, the barbaric atrocities in Ramu and elsewhere in Bangladesh on the Buddhist and Hindu communities have overshadowed the condemnation part on the Koran-insulter, who in reality might not even be Mr. Barua.
 
Sukhamaya Bain       
 
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:17 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Thoughts on the Atrocities on the Buddhists of Ramu
 
Religious identity is just one of the many identities one has. Even the religious identity is not unique for all members of a particular religious community. It may not always be true that the religious identity will dominate. In many cases it does not. Moreover all the members belonging to a particular religious community do not react to the external conditions in the same way. Love for one's own religion is nothing wrong as long as this love tends to harm others irrespective of their religious or other identities. The bottom line is that use of the terms like "Muslim psyche" or "Hindu psyche" may be misleading as the terms are too general. 
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:41 PM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Thoughts on the Atrocities on the Buddhists of Ramu
 
.,,,,While we are mourning the loss we witnessed few days ago in Bangladesh, it would be wrong to stay obsessed with " Muslim psyche".  If you have any concerns for minority in Bangladesh.

Time and again we discussed this and I have pointed out it is lack of law and order and our disastrous "Political culture" that may cause such carnage. Few weeks before we have seen very similar attacks on Muslims in Assam and Myanmar. Did you question Hindu and Buddhist Psyche??   I don't recall any such mail. I only remember silence and blaming the victims by some other members.
Which shows that, you are looking for answer at the wrong place. It is a serious lack of accountability in part of police, RAB etc. Also from current administration. It is their DUTY to protect ALL citizens of Bangladesh. We the people did not elect them to simply put the blame on political opponents and pass the responsibility. There is NOTHING wrong, special or extra ordinary about "Muslim psyche". They are like rest of global population. Most people are decent and fair minded. However like every other communities Muslims have our share of bad actors. This kind of mindset will only spread communality among people of Bangladesh. All religious communities needs a little education in the age of internet. We have to adjust with new reality where common people have power to "Insult" others and we should use the same media to educate others about our faith, philosophy etc to reduce misunderstanding among all peace loving people. I have read about life of holy prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and I am convinced that if he was around, he would have simply forgiven any such "Personal" insults.   This is what Muslims should remember and take it as an opportunity to stand by victims and foster long term relationships with them. I hope and pray we don't see such assaults in Bangladesh in future. Shalom!
 
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
As some of you might know, I have very little time to write on socio-political issues, or to visit online forums and social websites. Besides, I am actually getting tired of talking about the Muslim psyche. But let me comment on Mr. Chakrabarty's point below.
 
If a Koran-insulting Facebook posting by an individual can be called a legitimate reason for destroying 50 houses and 12 temples, including one that was 250 years old, belonging to his community, most of which probably would not have approved such an insult, then a blasphemy law to prevent such insults on the Koran would be legitimate.
 
If the overall Muslim psyche found the atrocities on the Buddhist community to be too wrong, the fanatics (reactionaries) in that religious clan would not be talking, let alone proposing a blasphemy law. If the overall Muslim psyche found the atrocities on the Buddhist community to be too wrong, we would have seen some people abandoning their Muslim identity in an appropriate sense of shame and protest.
 
Unfortunately, Badruddin Umar's thought have a basis, looking at the reality on the ground. However, the point that educated people need to make is that the Muslim psyche needs some serious reeducation, so that the severe disease of senselessness and incivility that the Muslims (on an overall average) are suffering from could be cured.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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BTW: The Egyptian President releasing two 9 and 10 years old boys is nothing to be praised, if we were to maintain a reasonable standard below which everything is ordinary and no big deal. They should not have been in the jail to begin with. In a civilized society, someone probably would have told the boys parents that they have done a mischief of insulting a religious book, and the parents would have told them not to do it again, or at the most spanked them mildly; and that would have been the end of the story.
 
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb
 
.......I meant that the release of the child was a good news. Then I said that probably very shortly Egypt will have strict blasphemy law with pressure from fanatic Islamists. Badruddin Umar thinks that Ramu violence may give the reactionaries to come up with the proposal for blasphemy law.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Thoughts on the Atrocities on the Buddhists of Ramu



We don't have statistics to decide what percent of the people got involved in destruction of the Buddhist temples, what percent remained silent, and what percent of the population in the area tried to stop the destruction. Also we have to take into account what percent of the population is openly and sincerely condemning the destruction and what percent does not want this to be repeated. I mentioned that there is nothing wrong in showing respect to one's religion. But to believe that the majority of the Muslims because of their particular psyche supported the destruction does not make any sense if we do not have sufficient statistics to support the view. 

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On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Let me address some of the points made by Mr. Rahman and Mr. Chakrabarty.
 
First on Mr. Chakrabarty's points:
 
True, religious identity is just one of the many identities one has. The problem is, for some people their religious identity overshadows most other identities.
 
It is also true that in many cases religious identity does not dominate. Do you really think that most Bangladeshi Muslims fall into that category, Mr. Chakrabarty? If not, then you might see the Muslim psyche to be a problem for Bangladesh. Let us be honest here. It may be politically correct to not blame the overall psyche of a people. But tell me, would you expect in countries like the USA, the UK, Japan, China, and India, for example, even an intention of causing havoc on the Muslim community due to a fact of insult by one individual Muslim on the God or gods or prophet of Christianity, Buddhism or Hinduism? Make a distinction between intention and execution. A better law and order situation can stop an execution, but not an intention. To not have such intentions people overall need to be better educated.
 
Now, on Mr. Rahman's points:
 
Talking about 'we are mourning', we have seen this kind of 'mourning' many times in East Bengal. It did not stop the repetition of the atrocities.
 
Mr. Rahman's comparison between Ramu and Assam and Myanmar is devoid of rationale, if not insincere. In Assam, the cause was not an insult on any Hindu prophet (avatar) or God. In Myanmar, the cause was not an insult on Buddha. I hope he can now see the problem with the Muslim psyche.
 
While the symptom can be treated with improved law and order in Bangladesh, to cure the disease, Muslims would need the sense that an insult on Allah or His book, the Koran, or His prophet, Mohammad, should be punished only by Allah Himself, not by humans.
 
It is foolish to talk about Mohammad forgiving people who insulted him, while talking about the atrocities on the Buddhist community because of an alleged insult on the Koran. Forgiveness is great, and Mohammad was great when he forgave. But that would be comparable if someone insulted Mr. Rahman, and he forgave the insulter.
 
As I condemned the insults on Mohammad in the video, Innocence of Muslims, and in the magazine, Charlie Hebdo, I also condemn the insult on the Koran in the Facebook page of Uttam Barua. However, all the condemnations should have been in words, spoken or written, against the insulters only. Of course, the barbaric atrocities in Ramu and elsewhere in Bangladesh on the Buddhist and Hindu communities have overshadowed the condemnation part on the Koran-insulter, who in reality might not even be Mr. Barua.
 
Sukhamaya Bain       
 
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Thoughts on the Atrocities on the Buddhists of Ramu
 
Religious identity is just one of the many identities one has. Even the religious identity is not unique for all members of a particular religious community. It may not always be true that the religious identity will dominate. In many cases it does not. Moreover all the members belonging to a particular religious community do not react to the external conditions in the same way. Love for one's own religion is nothing wrong as long as this love tends to harm others irrespective of their religious or other identities. The bottom line is that use of the terms like "Muslim psyche" or "Hindu psyche" may be misleading as the terms are too general. 
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Thoughts on the Atrocities on the Buddhists of Ramu
 
.,,,,While we are mourning the loss we witnessed few days ago in Bangladesh, it would be wrong to stay obsessed with " Muslim psyche".  If you have any concerns for minority in Bangladesh.

Time and again we discussed this and I have pointed out it is lack of law and order and our disastrous "Political culture" that may cause such carnage. Few weeks before we have seen very similar attacks on Muslims in Assam and Myanmar. Did you question Hindu and Buddhist Psyche??   I don't recall any such mail. I only remember silence and blaming the victims by some other members.
Which shows that, you are looking for answer at the wrong place. It is a serious lack of accountability in part of police, RAB etc. Also from current administration. It is their DUTY to protect ALL citizens of Bangladesh. We the people did not elect them to simply put the blame on political opponents and pass the responsibility. There is NOTHING wrong, special or extra ordinary about "Muslim psyche". They are like rest of global population. Most people are decent and fair minded. However like every other communities Muslims have our share of bad actors. This kind of mindset will only spread communality among people of Bangladesh. All religious communities needs a little education in the age of internet. We have to adjust with new reality where common people have power to "Insult" others and we should use the same media to educate others about our faith, philosophy etc to reduce misunderstanding among all peace loving people. I have read about life of holy prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and I am convinced that if he was around, he would have simply forgiven any such "Personal" insults.   This is what Muslims should remember and take it as an opportunity to stand by victims and foster long term relationships with them. I hope and pray we don't see such assaults in Bangladesh in future. Shalom!
 
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
As some of you might know, I have very little time to write on socio-political issues, or to visit online forums and social websites. Besides, I am actually getting tired of talking about the Muslim psyche. But let me comment on Mr. Chakrabarty's point below.
 
If a Koran-insulting Facebook posting by an individual can be called a legitimate reason for destroying 50 houses and 12 temples, including one that was 250 years old, belonging to his community, most of which probably would not have approved such an insult, then a blasphemy law to prevent such insults on the Koran would be legitimate.
 
If the overall Muslim psyche found the atrocities on the Buddhist community to be too wrong, the fanatics (reactionaries) in that religious clan would not be talking, let alone proposing a blasphemy law. If the overall Muslim psyche found the atrocities on the Buddhist community to be too wrong, we would have seen some people abandoning their Muslim identity in an appropriate sense of shame and protest.
 
Unfortunately, Badruddin Umar's thought have a basis, looking at the reality on the ground. However, the point that educated people need to make is that the Muslim psyche needs some serious reeducation, so that the severe disease of senselessness and incivility that the Muslims (on an overall average) are suffering from could be cured.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
-----------------------
BTW: The Egyptian President releasing two 9 and 10 years old boys is nothing to be praised, if we were to maintain a reasonable standard below which everything is ordinary and no big deal. They should not have been in the jail to begin with. In a civilized society, someone probably would have told the boys parents that they have done a mischief of insulting a religious book, and the parents would have told them not to do it again, or at the most spanked them mildly; and that would have been the end of the story.
 
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Re: FW: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা ও অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism



This katmullah Mr. S. A. Hannan has a brain full of sawdust. His needs a course in history and politics.  He does not know that Islam and democracy do not go together.  Majilish-i-sura is not a democratic council.  Different parts of the world have been ruled by people by those who had hotlines with God and yet all the vices were generated and propagated there in the name of the almighty God.  I wonder how such a man could even pass the Civil Service Examination.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 

correcyed

 


From: S A Hannan [mailto:sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com'


Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--
রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism

 

Dear Mr.Jiten Roy,

I would love to see India ruled by Hindu religious teachings, only condition is fundamental rights of Non-Hindus should be guaranteed in the constitution. Similarly if the West rules by teaching and  moral code of Christianity, the world will be freed from much of immorality, selfishness, materialism etc.

In the state of Madina established by the Prophet, the state was based on Islam but all citizens including the Jews had similar rights.

Islamic states will not be theocracy; they would be ruled by elected people.

Shah Abdul HannanI

 


From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 6:00 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com


Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--
রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism

 

 

Many Islamic leaders aspire for religious theocratic states, wherever they are majority. This is one of the Islamist doctrines and goals. When Muslim population gains near majority in any area, Islamists start to promote the idea that - Muslims aren't allowed to be governed by non-Muslims, and they initiate the process to control the power of that area. Islamists are Muslim-supremists, much like Nazis or skinheads (KKK). They are driven by the doctrine of Islamic Ummah.

 

Obviously, Mr. Hannan supports the Islamist agenda, without much thought. He may not realize, if every religion follows similar doctrine, the world would be unlivable. I would like to ask him - if he wants to see India as a Hindu state, since 85% is Hindu there. Hindu-supremists will agree with him. In the same token, Western countries will be Christian states also.

 

In India, Muslim majority areas (Murshidabad, Nadia, Kashmir, Assam, etc.) are tremendously volatile because of this Islamist doctrine. Muslim majority areas in other parts of the world (e.g., Mayanmar, Thailand, Europe, etc.) are going through turmoil also. Bangladesh and Turkey are under tremendous pressure from the Islamists, but hanging onto the brink until now. God knows how long that will last. I have no solution, except to think that - proper education may heal this wound someday.

 

Jiten Roy

 


--- On Wed, 10/10/12, sentu tikadar <sentu92003@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: sentu tikadar <sentu92003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--
রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism
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Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 10:10 PM

তাই মুসলমানেরা যেখানে সংখ্যাগরিষ্ঠ, সেখানে তাদের ইসলামি সমাজ বা রাষ্ট্র গঠন করার সব ধরনের চেষ্টা করা তাদের অধিকার। এটাকে সাম্প্রদায়িক চেতনা বলে নিন্দা করা যায় না।

 

Thik koichen apni. Ekkebare hasa kotha koichen..... Sahi kotha, Qurane pary tai ache.   

Apni jemon temon koichen.

 

Make Bangladesh an Islamic Sariah country and cut throat the Hindus and other minorities in broad day light.  Or either foercefully convert their women and marry them.  If they are not agreed to marry your people then rape them.  This PRACTICE is not new in Islam.  It was a common practice in Nabiji's time. Nabiji himself had raped many Jews and nonbelievers women (on this context Mollahs are very defensive to shield Nabiji and admire Nabiji). Then mentally and also physically torture  them in any place, e.g. market, town, or when they walk  by your mosque side.  Drive them to India and grasp their properties.   

  

Where there are Muslim majority, Hindus and other minorities are at razor danger.  Examples are  Deganga of North 24 Parganas (90 % Muslims) , Kashmir (99% Muslims), Mollah Puram (60 % Muslims) of KeralaIndia.  So it can be easily understandable what will be the condition of Hindus and  Buddhists  in a Muslim majority geographical country.  Hundreds of thousands are like  you in Bangladesh.  So in coming future there will be mass murder of Hindus and Buddhists in Bangladesh or they have to convert to desert Bedouin religion / dictatorship. 

 

But Muslims in Hindu Majority areas are well protected by Indian Laws and society people and they are happy.

 

What the Talebans are doing in Pakistan and Afghanistan is also nayez as per Quran specially the part written during Nabiji's  stay in Medina.

 

\

 Sentu

 

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Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--
রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism

 

         Example from Mr. Hannan' writing where there are, on average, 3-5 grand lies per sentence:মুসলমানেরা যেখানে সংখ্যাগরিষ্ঠ, সেখানে তাদের ইসলামি সমাজ বা রাষ্ট্র গঠন করার সব ধরনের চেষ্টা করা তাদের অধিকার। এটাকে সাম্প্রদায়িক চেতনা বলে নিন্দা করা যায় না। অসাম্প্রদায়িক অর্থ যার কোনো সম্প্রদায় নেই। তার মানে তার কোনো আদর্শ নীতিবোধ নেই। ধরনের নীতিহীনতা নীতিহীন লোক দিয়ে কোনো কল্যাণ হতে পারে না।
             The majority/minority of population count depends on what principle of classification? 
We REJECT the British-introduced system of pre-selected classification of people  by their religion.  The principle of categorizing of people by their religion is not followed by any official administrative procedure in Bangladesh.  Why should it be the basis of declaring the State to have a religious identity? You want another massacre of 1947?  The rest of Hannan's statements are too evil and too ridiculous to even find words to rebut!                     Shame on such lie-mongering munafiqui! This is truly veering closely on committing 'kufr' on a grand scale.

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I wonder, how,having few words exchanged, you gave me titles like "dark mind" "jahil" etc. I even didn't present any view, I just put the references and said its up-to the audience to decide. Who is to blame to be judgmental? Me who would love to call himself an Islamist or a self proclaimed 'secular muslim' like you? who is more open minded or liberal for instance?

I should say (if I not, I should be guilty of hiding the truth) that Sayyid Abul A'la Mawdudi never ever cooperated with the British and neither did he approved of it and everything that is said about his ideas to implement "fascism" is all lies. Again a claim should be verified with references, which seems a not-so-comfortable thing with you. And i gave part of your line because I was really shocked to see the word
perpetrators of communalism before S A Hannan. That was my point of interest. I was not trying to manipulate or anything. And again you don't wanna give references to "Jahils" like me, nothing to do in my part.

I am not the type of person who gives random fatwa about random people, I leave the matter of you with Allah subhanahu ta'la, the omnipotent the merciful.

And I pray to Him that may Allah(SWT) shower your life with joy, love and may his hands of mercy encompass you.

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

 

 

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Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--
রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism

        Dear Mr. Nirjhor.                                 It is strange to read your response! Why have you quoted only HALF my sentence and left out the part that I emphasized with bold letters?  Here is my sentence again:Communalism is an artificially generated ethnic and religious hatred and though its perpetrators, like S. A. Hannan, would like it to be about 'religion' it is really about Politics of power.
      It is what has been termed as "identity politics" that was started by the British colonial Admin.  They are the ones who began counting people (in 1872 Census of Bengal) by their religious identities. It was the mainstay of their "divide and rule" policy.  Never before did any Muslim ruler of any part of India made any calculation of majority/minority of population division by religion. The history of Bengal (and the rest of Indian subcontinent) is marked by interactive, multi-religious characteristics. "Our religion is not our only identity, nor necessarily the identity to which we attach the greatest importance" (Amartya Sen in a lecture before Oxford University, 1999).       I have studied the British colonial writings and their policies to rule India.  So had Abul ala Moududi who had the added advantage of having lived under imperialism.  I hate almost every aspect of colonialism.  Moududi secretly admired British imperialism and wanted to replace the Western Empire with his own Islamic Empire. The Partition of India in 1947 was according to the British prescription of "identity" politics.  The War of Liberation in 1971 rejected this colonial legacy of "identity" politics.            Therein lies the difference between the Jamaat and the Mukti dreamers who fought for Bangladesh, FREE from colonial policy-induced religious identity.
                 We do not reject religion or even its cultural importance. We, secular Muslims, do not shun or quarrel with Islam. Some of us may even be namazee mussulmans. What we reject is this "identity politics". Is that CLEAR? We do not love EMPIRES. Therefore NO ISLAMIC EMPIRE FOR US.  Thank you.             Sorry, I am unable to "enlighten" your dark mind with "a single piece of writing of S A Hannan"  because neither you nor Hannan have let Allah's Noor enter your Jahil heart. " Wa Allahu bi killi 'sha'i 'alimun."               Farida Majid

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:43:12 -0700 From: nirjhor019@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism To: farida_majid@hotmail.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; eliasfaridpur@yahoo.com; su_maiya1@yahoo.com; azizbiit@gmail.com; aftabbiit@gmail.com; humaira_parveen@yahoo.com; umaira@live.com

Dear Farida,

You wrote,

\\Communalism is an artificially generated ethnic and religious hatred and though its perpetrators, like S. A. Hannan//

 

Could you please enlighten us with just a single piece of writting of S A Hannan where he even slightly instigated or approved it? If you can't do so then we are sorry to buy this idea.

 

Shahriar Kabir has a very definite vested interest and is himself from a particular tent which is well known for its political witch haunting Jamaat-phobic attitude. His reference can't be acceptable. Why can't we rather try more academic one like

1. Vanguard of Islamic Revolution The JamaAt-I Islami of Pakistan 

by Seyyed Vali Reza Nasr Univ. of Cal. Press ( A phD dissertation and a prosecution document of Intl Crimes Tribunal Dhaka)
[http://www.amazon.com/Vanguard-Islamic-Revolution-Islami-Pakistan/dp/0756754577]

2.Pakistan-Failure in National Integration
[Hardcover]

Rounaq Jahan
Studies of the East Asian Institute, Columbia University. University Press Ltd ,Bangladesh
[http://www.amazon.com/Pakistan-Failure-National-Integration-R-Jahan/dp/9840512676]

I hope A prosecution document of ICT and a book by Rounaq Jahan from UPL will be 'non-partisan' to all of us. Serious and sincere discussion will help us understand that What Jamaat e Islami and other global moderate Islamist trends think about communalism and minority rights.

 

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 3:06
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--
রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism

 

সাম্প্রদায়িকতা বলতে বাম সেকুলাররা ইসলাম, ইসলামি দল, ইসলামপ্রীতি ইসলামি রাষ্ট্র দাবির প্রতি ইঙ্গিত করে থাকেন। এরা ইসলামি দল নিষিদ্ধ করা চান, শিক্ষায় ইসলামের কোনো স্থান চান না।
    
The above is a horrible tangle of BIG lies and half-truths all knotted and twisted cleverly in a jilebi.
First, no one, not even a  moron, ever called Islam, the religion itself,
সাম্প্রদায়িকতা. Communalism is an artificially generated ethnic and religious hatred and though its perpetrators, like S. A. Hannan, would like it to be about 'religion' it is really about Politics of power.
       
          
From the inception of Jamaati Islami politics the party, in the mid-1940s, has been stamped with unmistakable signs of European fascism. Moulana Abul Kalam Azad took one look at the draft-manifesto presented by Abul ala Moududi and sternly told him to abandon the fascist idea.

 [People are requested hereby to view the documentary movie made by Shariar Kabir called Jihad Without Border where there is an extensive interview of Moududi's son, Haider Faruq Moududi talking about the folly of his father]

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From: sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:21:18 +0600
Subject: [mukto-mona] : Shah Abdul Hannan--
রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা ---Ramu, Communalism and Noncommunalism

 

 

http://sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=9813
 

রামু, সাম্প্রদায়িকতা অসাম্প্রদায়িকতা

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কক্সবাজারের রামুতে দু'টি অত্যন্ত দুঃখজনক ঘটনা ঘটেছে। একটি হচ্ছে ফেসবুকে উত্তম কুমার বড়য়ার অ্যাকাউন্টে কুরআনের এক চিত্র, যার ওপর একজন নারী পা দিয়ে রেখেছে। দ্বিতীয়ত, এর প্রতিক্রিয়ায় রামুর বৌদ্ধ গ্রামে হামলা এবং কয়েকটি বৌদ্ধ উপাসনালয় পুড়িয়ে দেয়া। দু'টি ঘটনাই ক্ষমার অযোগ্য। কুরআনের অসম্মান মুসলিম জাতির কাছে অসহ্য একটি বিষয়। অন্য দিকে একদল মুসলিমের প্রতিক্রিয়ায় বৌদ্ধপল্লীতে হামলা কোনো বিচারেই মেনে নেয়া যায় না। ইসলামেও এর কোনো স্থান নেই। জন্য বাংলাদেশের সব ইসলামি দল এর বিরুদ্ধে বিবৃতি দিয়েছে। অক্টোবর ডেইলি স্টারের রিপোর্টে দেখা যায়, একটি ফোন রিপেয়ারের দোকান থেকে এর সূত্রপাত। দোকানের মালিক উমর ফারুক উত্তম কুমার বড়য়ার ফেসবুকের অ্যাকাউন্টে কুরআনের




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