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Saturday, December 12, 2015

[mukto-mona] The accusation against Jamaat that it is not democratic is false.



 

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Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM

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To: "dahuk@yahogroups.com" <dahuk@yahogroups.com>

 

Jamaate Islami, Bangladesh is a major democratic and Islamic party of Bangladesh.It has talen part in three recent democratic movements along with others.It took part in movement against General Ershad regime along with BNP and Awami League in 1989-90..
Second it took part in the movement for caretaker government in 1995-96 along with Awami League and Jatiya party.
Third it took part in the movement for restoration of caretaker government and fair election in 2014 along with BNP and twenty parties.

The accusation against Jamaat that it is not democratic is false.
Shah Abdul Hannan

 



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Must watch. This video is for all brain-dead liberal people in the world.

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Re: [mukto-mona] Scalia argues black students benefit from ‘slower’ colleges




Yes, there are mediocre people in the society, and they need special help to get back on track. Treating mediocre as talent is deception and wrong.
The New York City has many magnet schools for over achieving talented kids. A pool of talented kids from all other regular schools get selected for these Magnet schools. If some mediocre students demand that they have the right to go to these schools, and school should downgrade their standard for them, should the be done?  All sane people will say – that should not be done, and no system should give in to such demand.
As I understand, recent students' movement about demanding 'safe-zone' for certain students in Universities is nothing but demanding for lower standard for them. These students are overwhelmed by the high standard, and failing in tests. Obviously, these Universities are not suitable for them, but affirmative action has put them in such Schools.
I think Justice Scalia is trying to address that issue here head-on, and he has been too blunt to categorize them as a race.

Jiten Roy



From: "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Scalia argues black students benefit from 'slower' colleges

 
Once again, Sukhamoy proves his mettle -- he cannot but be sympathetic to a racist remark by Antonin Scalia.


Dec 10 2015

NYT Rewrites Scalia to Make Him Sound Less Racist

Antonin Scalia (cc photo: Steven Masker/Wikimedia)
Antonin Scalia wasn't just talking about blacks with "inferior academic credentials." (cc photo: Steven Masker/Wikimedia)
New York Times Supreme Court correspondent Adam Liptak (12/9/15) recounted a startling moment in the Court's oral arguments over the University of Texas' affirmative action plan:
In a remark that drew muted gasps in the courtroom, Justice Antonin Scalia said that minority students with inferior academic credentials may be better off at "a less advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well."
"I don't think it stands to reason that it's a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many blacks as possible," he added.
But part of the reason that the remark drew "muted gasps," surely, is that that's not what Scalia said–he didn't say minority students "with inferior academic credentials" would be better off at worse schools, he said African-Americans in general would. Here's the whole passage:
There are those who contend that it does not benefit African-Americans to get them into the University of Texas, where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less–a slower-track school where they do well. One of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas…. They come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they're being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them.
He goes on to suggest that "really competent blacks" would be better off if they were "admitted to lesser schools":
I'm just not impressed by the fact that ­­ that the University of Texas may have fewer [black students]. Maybe it ought to have fewer. And maybe some, ­­you know, when you take more, the number of blacks, really competent blacks, admitted to lesser schools turns out to be less. And I don't think it stands to reason that it's a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many blacks as possible.
 http://fair.org/home/nyt-rewrites-scalia-to-make-him-sound-less-racist/
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New York Times Supreme Court correspondent Adam Liptak recounted a startling moment in the Court's oral arguments over the University of Texas' affirmative action ...




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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:19 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Scalia argues black students benefit from 'slower' colleges
 
 
Well, I articulated myself OK, but had two typos in my last message, which I have corrected now.

To the point of affirmative actions in the USA, let me add that the beneficiary students in the universities are also likely to suffer from inferiority complex; because they know that they did not get their by virtue of their merits. So, providing historically backward and oppressed people with opportunity to grow up to be as good as anyone else should be at the very childhood stage where children do not understand differences in people's social and financial statuses.

SuBain 

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On Thursday, December 10, 2015 6:28 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Scalia's problem was his inability to articulate what he meant. I believe what he meant, and I myself feel, is that each school needs to decide its minimum standard of academic background for its prospective students. Students that do not meet that standard should not be admitted, irrespective of their race, gender, national origin, etc. For diversity on the campus, that standard should not be lowered. It should be a matter of the standard of the school and fairness to all prospective students, and not about diversity on campus, or about helping any race, gender, nationality, etc.

Indeed, there are many options in the USA for students of all backgrounds; and a lot of the graduates from lower ranking schools are known to succeed in life and do better than a lot of graduates from Ivy league schools. Painting any of them in terms of race, gender etc. is not a controversy that a justice of the US Supreme Court should have gotten into. 

Sukhamaya Bain

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On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 10:41 PM, "Shah DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Insensitive comment from a supreme court justice? Politically incorrect truth?








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[mukto-mona] Fw: Video Tells The Truth !!!!





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On Saturday, December 12, 2015 6:12 PM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:




On Saturday, December 12, 2015 6:11 PM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:


Video tells the truth . Kindly watch the attached video to know the atrocities done by the barbaric Pakistani forces on innocent Bengalis in 1971 . This report made by the world renowned TV broadcast channel CBS of USA . This video should be a slap on the face of Pakistani junta who still deny any crime done by the Pakistani forces in 197 . Heartfelt thanks to our Hon. PM , Jananetri Sheikh Hasina to bring those war criminals into justice . 


Joy Bangla , Joy Bangabandhu ,

Dr. Manik ,
Atlanta , GA .








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Re: [mukto-mona] Scalia argues black students benefit from ‘slower’ colleges



Several years ago in this very forum there was a debate over the quota system. Quota system in admission to college in india was mainly discussed. I remember Mandal Commission report was discussed at that time. We saw two extreme groups when it came to supporting or trashing the report. There were some who were in between.
Personally I am in favor of quota system both in cases of admission and employment. But should 50% seats be reserved for the scheduled castes? Probably this magic number is too political and controversial. But the number should no doubt well exceed the percentage of the scheduled caste population. 

Blacks in America are no exceptions. Affirmative actions are a must in America too. I don't quite agree to 'lower levels' theory. I would not mind relaxing the requirement to a reasonable level to accommodate blacks --and indigenous Indians. Once an equilibrium is achieved, the law can be made null and void. It is a matter of spirit, compassion, and empathy. This is one way the nation can wash away the sins it has committed over the several hundred years. 

I don't agree that the blacks are genetically or inherently mediocre. All that matters is how much opportunity one gets. It takes time or maybe generations. It is a proven fact. 

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On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, this judge is a truly blunt one. He does not mince words. Not sure, how would you sugarcoat the obvious truth? Affirmative actions should be encouraged at the very lower level. Otherwise, the mediocrity would be the best product that a society can gloat about. People are equals, but they are not equally brilliant or successful no matter we feed them with.



On Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:44 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Scalia's problem was his inability to articulate what he meant. That I believe what he meant, and I myself feel, is that each school needs to decide its minimum standard of academic background for its prospective students. Students that do not meet that standard should not be admitted, irrespective of their race, gender, national origin, etc. For diversity on the campus, that standard should not be lowered. It should be a matter of the standard of the school and fairness to all prospective students, and not about diversity on campus, or about helping any race, gender, nationality, etc.

Indeed, there are many options in the USA for students of all backgrounds; and a lot of the graduates from lower ranking schools are known to succeed in life and do better than a lot of graduates from Ivy league schools. Painting any of them in terms of race, gender etc. is not a controversy that a justice of the US Supreme Court should have getten into. 

Sukhamaya Bain

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On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 10:41 PM, "Shah DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Insensitive comment from a supreme court justice? Politically incorrect truth?






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Re: [mukto-mona] Scalia argues black students benefit from ‘slower’ colleges



Once again, Sukhamoy proves his mettle -- he cannot but be sympathetic to a racist remark by Antonin Scalia.



Dec 10 2015

NYT Rewrites Scalia to Make Him Sound Less Racist

Antonin Scalia (cc photo: Steven Masker/Wikimedia)

Antonin Scalia wasn't just talking about blacks with "inferior academic credentials." (cc photo: Steven Masker/Wikimedia)

New York Times Supreme Court correspondent Adam Liptak (12/9/15) recounted a startling moment in the Court's oral arguments over the University of Texas' affirmative action plan:

In a remark that drew muted gasps in the courtroom, Justice Antonin Scalia said that minority students with inferior academic credentials may be better off at "a less advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well."

"I don't think it stands to reason that it's a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many blacks as possible," he added.

But part of the reason that the remark drew "muted gasps," surely, is that that's not what Scalia said–he didn't say minority students "with inferior academic credentials" would be better off at worse schools, he said African-Americans in general would. Here's the whole passage:

There are those who contend that it does not benefit African-Americans to get them into the University of Texas, where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less–a slower-track school where they do well. One of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas…. They come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they're being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them.

He goes on to suggest that "really competent blacks" would be better off if they were "admitted to lesser schools":

I'm just not impressed by the fact that ­­ that the University of Texas may have fewer [black students]. Maybe it ought to have fewer. And maybe some, ­­you know, when you take more, the number of blacks, really competent blacks, admitted to lesser schools turns out to be less. And I don't think it stands to reason that it's a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many blacks as possible.

 http://fair.org/home/nyt-rewrites-scalia-to-make-him-sound-less-racist/

fair.org
New York Times Supreme Court correspondent Adam Liptak recounted a startling moment in the Court's oral arguments over the University of Texas' affirmative action ...





From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:19 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Scalia argues black students benefit from 'slower' colleges
 
 

Well, I articulated myself OK, but had two typos in my last message, which I have corrected now.

To the point of affirmative actions in the USA, let me add that the beneficiary students in the universities are also likely to suffer from inferiority complex; because they know that they did not get their by virtue of their merits. So, providing historically backward and oppressed people with opportunity to grow up to be as good as anyone else should be at the very childhood stage where children do not understand differences in people's social and financial statuses.

SuBain 

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On Thursday, December 10, 2015 6:28 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Scalia's problem was his inability to articulate what he meant. I believe what he meant, and I myself feel, is that each school needs to decide its minimum standard of academic background for its prospective students. Students that do not meet that standard should not be admitted, irrespective of their race, gender, national origin, etc. For diversity on the campus, that standard should not be lowered. It should be a matter of the standard of the school and fairness to all prospective students, and not about diversity on campus, or about helping any race, gender, nationality, etc.

Indeed, there are many options in the USA for students of all backgrounds; and a lot of the graduates from lower ranking schools are known to succeed in life and do better than a lot of graduates from Ivy league schools. Painting any of them in terms of race, gender etc. is not a controversy that a justice of the US Supreme Court should have gotten into. 

Sukhamaya Bain

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On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 10:41 PM, "Shah DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Insensitive comment from a supreme court justice? Politically incorrect truth?






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