There is nothing divine in sex as reward.
To carry out moral duty or do the right thing, reward enticment is not a must unless are talk about bottom feeder. Dog trainer find reward technique handy. Those who to want to bring down their religion to gutter/swerage level will defend sex as reward. In ancient greek religion notion of whore in afterlife was promisef. When greek ruler Alexander, finding hard to convince his men to india crossing raging Jehlum river, he promised them at end of his conquest they will end up in city of promiscus fairy ( la hur) even in their death.
Later that become part of religions in greater of that religion. But Abrahmic religion did sanction any such fairy; that didnt stop perpetuating the practice. Jewish did for long time, christain to lesser extent. After prophet they tried to introduce it, but never made into Holy Quran.
So, some say the reference of lust green grapevine in have is code word hur pori, that just interprtation of not savvy.
When challenged some big time admirer omar and ali, to spot hur pori in anx verse in Holy Quran; when they fail, will start commotion like a dog not finding a reward , when it was exprcting one in the training.
I will be more thrilled find to the confirmation in one way or there. If anybody can identify the verse with full translation, in case it is there, that will be great.
<ko>
--------------
I do agree with you. I also don't feel like to response to these paid dogs. They haul for their living. Fearing my creator, my response are always as a protest, you are right, as Allah (SWT) mentioned. :: Razzak
তারা কি এই উদ্দেশ্যে দেশ ভ্রমণ করেনি, যাতে তারা সমঝদার হৃদয় ও শ্রবণ শক্তি সম্পন্ন কর্ণের অধিকারী হতে পারে? বস্তুতঃ চক্ষু তো অন্ধ হয় না, কিন্তু বক্ষ স্থিত অন্তরই অন্ধ হয়।
[Quran 22:46]
Wassaalam
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Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017, 10:12 PM
Syed Razzak, agree with your
frustration, muslims are suffering; but not they are cursed.
Almighty blessed them with oil. and many itellectualls. But
strong man in community chose to banish inteelilectuals
among them; a case in point, Dr Abdus Salam. As we speak,
much of their fortune are spend easy fun , glory , chasing
hur pori.
Children of the community are paying
the prices, often with life, simply because they refuse to
not glorify Omar and his like's cruelties. And to give up
the desire to torment believers of different faiths and
athesit, like kafir did in their positions. Many
Rohinga children"s fate sealed in the turf war between
bhuddist terroust and jihdist inspired by Omar.
Ranu bhai ( Ranu51@hotmail.com)
once said, Omar lying behind Prrophet when he was
dying, that was for good cause. Omar didnt care to
consult him on it. That But diidnt miss to demanded
to be the first Calipah. Prophet was hurt when he
found out about concocted imortality , that was either
because Omar was making fun of him on death bed or mockery
of His preaching, on mortality of life. The fact that
Omar ignored Him to preach devil worshiper"s position on
imortalty, especialy when involvolving prophet , is
cardinal sin. But omar admirer find it silly for prophet for
being hurt. Ignore his life from that poin to death, even
today don't talk about his days on death bed, when
insignificant events are debated and talked abiut for days,
analysed and over analyzed.
Maulana Maudidi ( founder jamati
islam) " admirer this devil worshiper omar in muslim grab
will share the same fate, as his". Omar convinced others to
ingonore Suraha Al kafirun and other with similar messages,.
those sura and messages are from prophet himselfm without a
doubt. He cannot be wrong so mantimes when omar is right
everytime. Many well intention but indoctrination happened
to so early in life, before age of tewleve, now for
them to accept the real truth, they will have to
go out of their comfort. Not too many are willing to do
that, especially when the price could be life.
Syed didnt see any hur pori mentioned
in Holy Quran, so so refused lie about. Those who are
disuading him from my claim, that no such suggestion of hur
pori made by prophet in the holy book are dishonourable,
period. I am. so wrong suggesting to strictly follow Surah
Alkafirun, the so be it, because it is such beautiful Sura,
even enemies of Islam can go for admires, and baffaled why
any muslims dont take it to heart . isnt that patetic.
If anybody thinks, I am dressing down
some muslims herehere, they are woefully wrong. I am
pointing out most beautiful preaching of.
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On Tue, 10/3/17, 'zainul abedin' via
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wrote:
Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi
Community} Re: {PFC-Friends} দূর্গা পূজা
কিন্তু কখনই হিন্দুদের
কোন ধর্মীয় অনুষ্ঠান
ছিলো না।
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Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017, 5:35
PM
Salam,
I do not preach anything except
exchanging views
till that work. I like to say:
I think Razzak Bhai might think of
stopping the
reply to these people in disguise who
get the chance of
spreading/vomiting their dirty-things,
and instead Razzak
Bhai should leave them to the
"treatment of
nature," lest Allah. The more you talk
nice the more
dirts come out from them, while they
(such as K) pose that
they even know "Dirts" of Gods (may
Allah forgive
me!). After seeing all these, even
being a person of
patience, I do not have taste to talk
to the
dirty-people!
Most important is that, while you do
not know
what type of humans these people are,
but you already came
to know the dirts of them, should you
still continue with
those. While you believe in
"Summum-Bukmun...." of God's Decree,
disassociation is the best answer!
ZA
On
Tuesday, October 3, 2017,
10:48:49 AM CDT, Rezaul Karim
<rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear
Brother, Razzak,
I hope &
pray, your persistence, love &
concern for our
fellow humanbeing will pay off.
Ultimately, guidance
is in the hands of Allah. So, let's
leave it to Allah to
guide those he wills & not respond
to anyone with fake
identity.I admire your
patience. May Allah reward you
immensely
here & hereafter.-Rezaul
Karim
On
Oct 2, 2017 11:00 PM, "Khoniker
Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:
A true Muslim is always fear of
Hell
and keep crying from the
punishment in
grave. -Razzak
Kafir believed their god as
unforgiving to those who are not
totally obident. When Almighty is ever
merciful. Swaping
muslim with kafir in your above quote
would have made
perfect sense to then kafir.
You are not the first one to use that
tact, but how this
crept into muslim culture. I suspect,
omar and his lackey.
Omar liked to remebered as a kind
hearted, when
was quick to beheading. When a person
start beliving
beheading act of kindness, they
already lost great part of
humanity in them. And to them message
of peace, equality and
merciful God ring hollow; dominance
like kafir days are back
in fashion. His message overides
Prophet's message.
Adding conflicting message in the
revision and claiming as
original work is afront to Prophet's
preaching. Omars
claim was protected for 2 decades with
swords, by then that
got establish as truth in many mind.
People get beheaded for not taking
omars revision as
Almightys word. Now Omar worshiping
are now the
stewards of Islam. That explains why
muslims get killed by
muslims. And more Muslim leave their
community to live among
people ftom other beliefs. Other scale
down their religious
practices to keep their sanity. Today
Rohinga children for
the reputation omar worshiper (
hardcore sunni and wahbis)
in Islamic grabs. Shia, dont worship
omar but Ali.
Razzak, i am still waiting for the
verse in Quran that you
claim , has mentioned "hur pori". I
got news
for you, those words dont exist un tha
Book. This goes to
show after Prophet passed Islamic
messages changed. I came
accrosd more than one verson of
Prophets speech on his last
haj. But no mention of jihad in any
version. Now jihad
and hur pori are the operating words
to accepeted as
practicing muslim.
Fools dont need logic find beheading
caliphah kind and great
hearted. There are some account of his
kindness but that
doesnt absolve of cruelties. I knew a
guy who was kind to
many, then turn out be a mass murder.
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On Mon, 10/2/17, 'Razzak Syed' via
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wrote:
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends}
দূর্গা
পূজা কিন্তু
কখনই
হিন্দুদের কোন
ধর্মীয়
অনুষ্ঠান ছিলো
না।
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Date: Monday, October 2, 2017, 2:51
AM
Stupid fools like you may get
tempted with Hur Pori. A true Muslim
is always fear of
Hell
and keep crying for escaping the
punishment in the
grave.
Hur Pori awarded to shahba's who
struggled most
to
establish Islam.
Read the
Quran carefully with open heart, you
will find the
answer.
In one of the verses it's clearly
mentioned:
"আল্লাহ
আরেকটি
দৃষ্টান্ত
বর্ণনা
করেছেন,
দু'ব্যক্তির,
একজন
বোবা
কোন কাজ করতে
পারে
না।
সে মালিকের
উপর
বোঝা।
যেদিকে তাকে
পাঠায়,
কোন সঠিক কাজ
করে
আসে
না। সে কি সমান
হবে ঐ
ব্যক্তির, যে
ন্যায়
বিচারের আদেশ
করে
এবং
সরল পথে
কায়েম
রয়েছে।"
Under current situations we Muslims
are like
'Dumb', we can't do anything for
our
'Deen', including myself. We will be
lucky if
only
can escape the hell fire n
punishment in the grave,
which
none can imagine, how tough it will
be.
May Allah (SWT) save us from the
Hell Fire.
Razzak A. Syed
Sent from my
iPhone
>
On 2 Oct 2017, at 5:08 pm, Khoniker
Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> I think
you are missguiding when suggested
prophet got it
wrong on
gxamut. Hur pori pimp had it all
figure out for you.
I
ticked you off, exposing Omar,
lied.about
imortality. He
was behead by his slave, whom he
claimed as a reward
from
Almighty, when He never approve of
slavary. His
beheading
was devine retribution. If dont
believe in the reason
for
qymat that prophet outlined, you are
not true
believer, just
anothet hyphanated muslims who lost
their omar as
sudo
prophet. Some worship him or ali.
They see hadis and
revised
Koran, which is full of
contridictions as the
Almighty
words. He is owner of the Universe,
not a mere
narrator of
Omars position. Omar admirer are
among those against
whom
Phropet warned.
> If you dont think Omar
grave sin in disobeying prophet at
his deathbed, then
I know
you fooled by satan. And beyound
help. A slave
couldnt
killed Omar in brutall way unless
Almighty wanted
it.
>
> Though I hate Jamati
Islam, but agree with its foundet
Miulana moudidi
criticism
of omar and charaterization of him
as bastrd. Many
othet
sunni parties in pakistan and
india accuse
moudidi as shia
in disguise; I dont about that but
was right on
that
instance.
>
------------------------------
--------------
> On Mon, 10/2/17, Razzak Syed
<amsmel@aol.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject:
Re: {PFC-Friends} দূর্গা
পূজা
কিন্তু কখনই
হিন্দুদের
কোন ধর্মীয়
অনুষ্ঠান
ছিলো না।
> To:
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> Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,
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> Date: Monday, October 2, 2017,
1:02 AM
>
> Mr. KO,
>
> Allah (SWT)
so great, he made us aware of the
people like
> you, as he warned in his great
Devine
>
> "তারা
শয়তানের
> মত, যে
মানুষকে
কাফের
>
হতে বলে।
অতঃপর যখন
সে
> কাফের হয়,
তখন
শয়তান
> বলেঃ
তোমার সাথে
আমার
> কোন
সম্পর্ক
নেই। আমি
>
বিশ্বপালনকর্তা
> আল্লাহ
তা'আলাকে ভয়
>
করি।"
>
> Your
> confession about
Allah (SWT) n his Prophet (SWT)
truly
>
matched with the verse in Surah
Al-Hashr.
>
> Capt. Razzak A.
Syed
>
>
> Sent from my
>
iPhone
>
>
>>
> On 2 Oct 2017,
at 3:22 pm, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Razzak
>> Do you know,
>
Prophet had premonition, all kinds
of suedo /
hyphenated
> muslims increasingly many of
whom will
be so interested
> conquering and
bloodleting, plundering all in the
name
>
Islam, that Almighty will have to
end it with qyamut
with
> disgust. He was so right,
mankind didnt
have to wait too
> long, it started with
Omar. Conquering replace preaching,
in
>
Islam peace has diminishing role,
more and more
like
> bloodletting like kafir is
taking over the
authority of what
> Islam should be like.
Duplicity will be mode conduct.
Talk
> of
peace when cornered or to fool, like
dishonest
sob.But
> conquer when it is convinient
or recruit
some unsavvy with
> promise of hur
pori.
>>
>>
Tell me if said anything wrong on
>
qyamat.
>>
>>
>
------------------------------
--------------
>> On Sun, 10/1/17, Razzak
Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Subject:
> Re:
{PFC-Friends} দূর্গা
পূজা
> কিন্তু
কখনই
হিন্দুদের
> কোন
ধর্মীয়
অনুষ্ঠান
> ছিলো না।
>> To:
>
"Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,
> "bangladesh-progressives
googlegroups"
<bangladesh-progressives@
googlegroups.com>,
> "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com"
> <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,
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>> Date: Sunday, October 1,
2017, 9:55
PM
>>
>> Mr.
KO,
>>
>> "Zakir
> in
one youtube video confirmed, Prophet
wanted
>> to demolish kaba, but Omar
was opposed
it.
> To prove to
>> prophet, he doesn't
> worship kaba, he had to climb
on the
>>
> top of kaba,
recited Azan. Kafir dont step on
their
>> religious artifactsm; shia
and sunni
as
> new convert from
>> kafir found hard
> those practices."
>>
>> Neither Mr.
Zakir nor myself
>> or anyone of us
present at the time of
> Prophet
(SAW).
>> However, to the best of
> my knowledge through various
>> religious
>
scholars like mufti or aleems,
prophet (SAW)
>> wanted to remove those
Idols from
the
> Kabah, not demolishing
>> the house of
>
Allah (SWT). There is a huge
difference between
>> removing Idols and removing
the house.
>>
>> Besides
that you are
> talking like the
>> controversial people
> used to confront prophet (SAW),
as
>>
> Allah (SWT)
mentioned in the Quran, meaning is
like
>
"
>> oh, Mohammad, neither you
or
the
> questioner were present at
>> the cave,
> only
I(Allah) know how many of them were
there and
>> the dog, it's not the
matter of
> argument with numbers,
>> it's a
> matter
of truth."
>>
>> So, what is the point you
are arguing?
Do
> you
>> believe
in Kalima 'Tyabah'?
> Do you
believe Prophet
>> Mohammad (SAW)
> was the last Messenger and
slave of
>>
> Allah(SWT)? If
don't, then you aren't a Muslim.
>>
>> Razzak A.
Syed
>>
>>
>> Sent from my
>>
> iPhone
>>
>>
>>> On 2 Oct
2017, at 12:29 pm,
> Khoniker
>> Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Zakir in one youtube
>> video confirmed, Prophet
wanted to
> demolish kaba, but Omar
>> was opposed it.
>
To prove to prophet, he doesn't
worship
>> kaba, he had to climb on
the top of
kaba,
> recited Azan.
>> Kafir dont step on their
> religious artifactsm; shia and
>> sunni as
> new
convert from kafir found hard
those
>> practices.
>>
>
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Tuesday, October 3, 2017
[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} দূর্গা পূজা কিন্তু কখনই হিন্দুদের কোন ধর্মীয় অনুষ্ঠান ছিলো না।
[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} দূর্গা পূজা কিন্তু কখনই হিন্দুদের কোন ধর্মীয় অনুষ্ঠান ছিলো না।
Syed Razzak, agree with your frustration, muslims are suffering; but not they are cursed. Almighty blessed them with oil. and many itellectualls. But strong man in community chose to banish inteelilectuals among them; a case in point, Dr Abdus Salam. As we speak, much of their fortune are spend easy fun , glory , chasing hur pori.
Children of the community are paying the prices, often with life, simply because they refuse to not glorify Omar and his like's cruelties. And to give up the desire to torment believers of different faiths and athesit, like kafir did in their positions. Many Rohinga children"s fate sealed in the turf war between bhuddist terroust and jihdist inspired by Omar.
Ranu bhai ( Ranu51@hotmail.com) once said, Omar lying behind Prrophet when he was dying, that was for good cause. Omar didnt care to consult him on it. That But diidnt miss to demanded to be the first Calipah. Prophet was hurt when he found out about concocted imortality , that was either because Omar was making fun of him on death bed or mockery of His preaching, on mortality of life. The fact that Omar ignored Him to preach devil worshiper"s position on imortalty, especialy when involvolving prophet , is cardinal sin. But omar admirer find it silly for prophet for being hurt. Ignore his life from that poin to death, even today don't talk about his days on death bed, when insignificant events are debated and talked abiut for days, analysed and over analyzed.
Maulana Maudidi ( founder jamati islam) " admirer this devil worshiper omar in muslim grab will share the same fate, as his". Omar convinced others to ingonore Suraha Al kafirun and other with similar messages,. those sura and messages are from prophet himselfm without a doubt. He cannot be wrong so mantimes when omar is right everytime. Many well intention but indoctrination happened to so early in life, before age of tewleve, now for them to accept the real truth, they will have to go out of their comfort. Not too many are willing to do that, especially when the price could be life.
Syed didnt see any hur pori mentioned in Holy Quran, so so refused lie about. Those who are disuading him from my claim, that no such suggestion of hur pori made by prophet in the holy book are dishonourable, period. I am. so wrong suggesting to strictly follow Surah Alkafirun, the so be it, because it is such beautiful Sura, even enemies of Islam can go for admires, and baffaled why any muslims dont take it to heart . isnt that patetic.
If anybody thinks, I am dressing down some muslims herehere, they are woefully wrong. I am pointing out most beautiful preaching of.
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On Tue, 10/3/17, 'zainul abedin' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: {PFC-Friends} দূর্গা পূজা কিন্তু কখনই হিন্দুদের কোন ধর্মীয় অনুষ্ঠান ছিলো না।
To: "Rezaul Karim" <rezaulkarim617@gmail.com>, "Bangladesh-progressives Googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, "Bangladeshi Americans" <bangladeshiamericans@googlegroups.com>, "Nabdc Group" <nabdc@googlegroups.com>, "BDPANA" <bdpana@yahoogroups.com>, "Pfc" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017, 5:35 PM
Salam,
I do not preach anything except exchanging views
till that work. I like to say:
I think Razzak Bhai might think of stopping the
reply to these people in disguise who get the chance of
spreading/vomiting their dirty-things, and instead Razzak
Bhai should leave them to the "treatment of
nature," lest Allah. The more you talk nice the more
dirts come out from them, while they (such as K) pose that
they even know "Dirts" of Gods (may Allah forgive
me!). After seeing all these, even being a person of
patience, I do not have taste to talk to the
dirty-people!
Most important is that, while you do not know
what type of humans these people are, but you already came
to know the dirts of them, should you still continue with
those. While you believe in
"Summum-Bukmun...." of God's Decree,
disassociation is the best answer!
ZA
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017,
10:48:49 AM CDT, Rezaul Karim
<rezaulkarim617@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear
Brother, Razzak,
I hope &
pray, your persistence, love & concern for our
fellow humanbeing will pay off. Ultimately, guidance
is in the hands of Allah. So, let's leave it to Allah to
guide those he wills & not respond to anyone with fake
identity.I admire your
patience. May Allah reward you immensely
here & hereafter.-Rezaul
Karim
On
Oct 2, 2017 11:00 PM, "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:
A true Muslim is always fear of
Hell
and keep crying from the punishment in
grave. -Razzak
Kafir believed their god as unforgiving to those who are not
totally obident. When Almighty is ever merciful. Swaping
muslim with kafir in your above quote would have made
perfect sense to then kafir.
You are not the first one to use that tact, but how this
crept into muslim culture. I suspect, omar and his lackey.
Omar liked to remebered as a kind hearted, when
was quick to beheading. When a person start beliving
beheading act of kindness, they already lost great part of
humanity in them. And to them message of peace, equality and
merciful God ring hollow; dominance like kafir days are back
in fashion. His message overides Prophet's message.
Adding conflicting message in the revision and claiming as
original work is afront to Prophet's preaching. Omars
claim was protected for 2 decades with swords, by then that
got establish as truth in many mind.
People get beheaded for not taking omars revision as
Almightys word. Now Omar worshiping are now the
stewards of Islam. That explains why muslims get killed by
muslims. And more Muslim leave their community to live among
people ftom other beliefs. Other scale down their religious
practices to keep their sanity. Today Rohinga children for
the reputation omar worshiper ( hardcore sunni and wahbis)
in Islamic grabs. Shia, dont worship omar but Ali.
Razzak, i am still waiting for the verse in Quran that you
claim , has mentioned "hur pori". I got news
for you, those words dont exist un tha Book. This goes to
show after Prophet passed Islamic messages changed. I came
accrosd more than one verson of Prophets speech on his last
haj. But no mention of jihad in any version. Now jihad
and hur pori are the operating words to accepeted as
practicing muslim.
Fools dont need logic find beheading caliphah kind and great
hearted. There are some account of his kindness but that
doesnt absolve of cruelties. I knew a guy who was kind to
many, then turn out be a mass murder.
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On Mon, 10/2/17, 'Razzak Syed' via PFC-Friends
<pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} দূর্গা
পূজা কিন্তু কখনই
হিন্দুদের কোন ধর্মীয়
অনুষ্ঠান ছিলো না।
To: "Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,
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Date: Monday, October 2, 2017, 2:51 AM
Stupid fools like you may get
tempted with Hur Pori. A true Muslim is always fear of
Hell
and keep crying for escaping the punishment in the
grave.
Hur Pori awarded to shahba's who struggled most
to
establish Islam.
Read the
Quran carefully with open heart, you will find the
answer.
In one of the verses it's clearly mentioned:
"আল্লাহ
আরেকটি দৃষ্টান্ত
বর্ণনা করেছেন,
দু'ব্যক্তির, একজন
বোবা
কোন কাজ করতে পারে
না।
সে মালিকের উপর
বোঝা।
যেদিকে তাকে পাঠায়,
কোন সঠিক কাজ করে
আসে
না। সে কি সমান হবে ঐ
ব্যক্তির, যে ন্যায়
বিচারের আদেশ করে
এবং
সরল পথে কায়েম
রয়েছে।"
Under current situations we Muslims are like
'Dumb', we can't do anything for our
'Deen', including myself. We will be lucky if
only
can escape the hell fire n punishment in the grave,
which
none can imagine, how tough it will be.
May Allah (SWT) save us from the Hell Fire.
Razzak A. Syed
Sent from my
iPhone
>
On 2 Oct 2017, at 5:08 pm, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> I think
you are missguiding when suggested prophet got it
wrong on
gxamut. Hur pori pimp had it all figure out for you.
I
ticked you off, exposing Omar, lied.about
imortality. He
was behead by his slave, whom he claimed as a reward
from
Almighty, when He never approve of slavary. His
beheading
was devine retribution. If dont believe in the reason
for
qymat that prophet outlined, you are not true
believer, just
anothet hyphanated muslims who lost their omar as
sudo
prophet. Some worship him or ali. They see hadis and
revised
Koran, which is full of contridictions as the
Almighty
words. He is owner of the Universe, not a mere
narrator of
Omars position. Omar admirer are among those against
whom
Phropet warned.
> If you dont think Omar
grave sin in disobeying prophet at his deathbed, then
I know
you fooled by satan. And beyound help. A slave
couldnt
killed Omar in brutall way unless Almighty wanted
it.
>
> Though I hate Jamati
Islam, but agree with its foundet Miulana moudidi
criticism
of omar and charaterization of him as bastrd. Many
othet
sunni parties in pakistan and india accuse
moudidi as shia
in disguise; I dont about that but was right on
that
instance.
>
------------------------------ --------------
> On Mon, 10/2/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject:
Re: {PFC-Friends} দূর্গা পূজা
কিন্তু কখনই
হিন্দুদের
কোন ধর্মীয়
অনুষ্ঠান
ছিলো না।
> To:
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> Date: Monday, October 2, 2017, 1:02 AM
>
> Mr. KO,
>
> Allah (SWT)
so great, he made us aware of the people like
> you, as he warned in his great Devine
>
> "তারা
শয়তানের
> মত, যে
মানুষকে কাফের
>
হতে বলে। অতঃপর যখন
সে
> কাফের হয়, তখন
শয়তান
> বলেঃ
তোমার সাথে আমার
> কোন সম্পর্ক
নেই। আমি
>
বিশ্বপালনকর্তা
> আল্লাহ
তা'আলাকে ভয়
>
করি।"
>
> Your
> confession about
Allah (SWT) n his Prophet (SWT) truly
>
matched with the verse in Surah Al-Hashr.
>
> Capt. Razzak A.
Syed
>
>
> Sent from my
>
iPhone
>
>
>>
> On 2 Oct 2017,
at 3:22 pm, Khoniker Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Razzak
>> Do you know,
>
Prophet had premonition, all kinds of suedo /
hyphenated
> muslims increasingly many of whom will
be so interested
> conquering and
bloodleting, plundering all in the name
>
Islam, that Almighty will have to end it with qyamut
with
> disgust. He was so right, mankind didnt
have to wait too
> long, it started with
Omar. Conquering replace preaching, in
>
Islam peace has diminishing role, more and more
like
> bloodletting like kafir is taking over the
authority of what
> Islam should be like.
Duplicity will be mode conduct. Talk
> of
peace when cornered or to fool, like dishonest
sob.But
> conquer when it is convinient or recruit
some unsavvy with
> promise of hur
pori.
>>
>>
Tell me if said anything wrong on
>
qyamat.
>>
>>
>
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>> On Sun, 10/1/17, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Subject:
> Re:
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> কিন্তু কখনই
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> কোন
ধর্মীয় অনুষ্ঠান
> ছিলো না।
>> To:
>
"Khoniker Othithee" <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com,
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>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2017, 9:55
PM
>>
>> Mr.
KO,
>>
>> "Zakir
> in
one youtube video confirmed, Prophet wanted
>> to demolish kaba, but Omar was opposed
it.
> To prove to
>> prophet, he doesn't
> worship kaba, he had to climb on the
>>
> top of kaba,
recited Azan. Kafir dont step on their
>> religious artifactsm; shia and sunni
as
> new convert from
>> kafir found hard
> those practices."
>>
>> Neither Mr.
Zakir nor myself
>> or anyone of us
present at the time of
> Prophet
(SAW).
>> However, to the best of
> my knowledge through various
>> religious
>
scholars like mufti or aleems, prophet (SAW)
>> wanted to remove those Idols from
the
> Kabah, not demolishing
>> the house of
>
Allah (SWT). There is a huge difference between
>> removing Idols and removing the house.
>>
>> Besides
that you are
> talking like the
>> controversial people
> used to confront prophet (SAW), as
>>
> Allah (SWT)
mentioned in the Quran, meaning is like
>
"
>> oh, Mohammad, neither you or
the
> questioner were present at
>> the cave,
> only
I(Allah) know how many of them were there and
>> the dog, it's not the matter of
> argument with numbers,
>> it's a
> matter
of truth."
>>
>> So, what is the point you are arguing?
Do
> you
>> believe
in Kalima 'Tyabah'?
> Do you
believe Prophet
>> Mohammad (SAW)
> was the last Messenger and slave of
>>
> Allah(SWT)? If
don't, then you aren't a Muslim.
>>
>> Razzak A.
Syed
>>
>>
>> Sent from my
>>
> iPhone
>>
>>
>>> On 2 Oct
2017, at 12:29 pm,
> Khoniker
>> Othithee <khoniker.othithee@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Zakir in one youtube
>> video confirmed, Prophet wanted to
> demolish kaba, but Omar
>> was opposed it.
>
To prove to prophet, he doesn't worship
>> kaba, he had to climb on the top of
kaba,
> recited Azan.
>> Kafir dont step on their
> religious artifactsm; shia and
>> sunni as
> new
convert from kafir found hard those
>> practices.
>>
>
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[mukto-mona] Fwd: Something Odd About ISIS Taking Credit For The Las Vegas Massacre
From: Jamal G. Khan <m.jamalghaus@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:50 AM
Subject: Something Odd About ISIS Taking Credit For The Las Vegas Massacre
To:
There Was Something Odd About ISIS Taking Credit For The Las Vegas Massacre
The deadliest shooting in modern American history took place on Sunday night, when 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock killed at least 58 people and injured hundreds more at a country music festival on the Las Vegas strip.
The Islamic State militant group quickly took responsibility for the mass killing on Monday through its Amaq news agency. The FBI and local police have disputed the claim, saying there is currently no indication of any connection between Paddock and an international terror group.
For several reasons, there has been increased skepticism of ISIS's claim this time around. If the militant group's statements turn out to be groundless, however, that would be unusual. ISIS rarely takes official responsibility for an attack without having played a role in it. Sometimes that role is limited to ideological inspiration for the attackers, but there is usually some justification for the group's claim.
In Paddock's case, there is little immediate evidence to indicate that he had ties with ISIS or supported its ideology. His family said that he never expressed such extremist views to them and that he had no religious or political affiliation.
Paddock is not known to have traveled to Syria, Iraq or Libya as some ISIS-related attackers had, including the suicide bomber who killed 22 people at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, earlier this year. He is also a good deal older than the average age of Americans charged with offenses related to ISIS, which is 28. Unlike many other mass killers, he was not previously known to federal authorities and had no criminal record.
Analysts who monitor ISIS messaging and attacks have expressed puzzlement since the group took credit on Monday. Rita Katz, head of online terrorism tracker Site Intelligence Group, tweeted that it was "the strangest" of all the ISIS claims she's seen.
For the most part, the militant group's statements about the deadly attack followed a now familiar pattern in how the extremist group claims responsibility. But there were subtle peculiarities.
The group initially sent out a fairly boilerplate statement claiming credit and referring to Paddock as a "soldier" of the caliphate, which is the standard language it uses for attackers. Then ISIS followed up with an uncommon second message, which asserted that Paddock had converted to Islam several months ago.
Later in the day, ISIS sent out another statement that identified Paddock by the name "Abu Abd El Bar," but still offered no supporting evidence for its claim.
ISIS has become increasingly desperate for propaganda victories as it loses territory in Iraq and Syria. Although it has maintained a certain degree of reliability in its credit taking, some analysts noted that some of its claims in recent months have raised questions. ISIS took credit for an attack on a Manila casino that killed 32 people in June, but Philippine police denied the crime was terror-related and said the attacker was a gambler deep in debt.
The investigation into what led Paddock to kill so many people in Las Vegas is still in the early stages.
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