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Friday, September 11, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics



Do Buddhists believe in God? I don't think so. Gautam Buddha was silent about God. It is fear that motivates people to believe in sacred things and phenomena----he opined. Besides this logic of fear factor, he thought that there was no need for a God. After the death of Buddha, the religion (or the path that humans should follow) originated by him came under influence of the then Hindu beliefs and practices. Buddhadev came to be known as Bhagwan Buddha. It became more and more complex (and probably corrupted) in different ways. Yantra Sadhana became part of it. The three distinct lines are Hinayana, Mahayana, and Vajrayana (also known as Tantrayana). 

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On Sep 11, 2015, at 4:28 PM, sbiswas1 SBiswas1@aol.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Where there is no prof there is controversy. 


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From: "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]"
Date:09/10/2015 10:17 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics

 

We can break religion in two parts – 1) believing in God, and 2) worshipping God. There is no controversy over the first part, but second part is controversial, because different religious faiths prescribe different ritualistic practices to worship God.
All religions agree on the concept that God exists in spirit. If that's the view, what's the point of ritualistic practices to worship a non-existent spirit?  
As a result, most (smart) people usually believe in God, but try to avoid the controversial second part in their lives, as much as possible. This way - their mental faculties remain free from numerous ritualistic practices, which enable them to think about other constructive ideas that make them successful in life.


From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics

 
You have a point. But things do not seem to be so simple. How much 'religious garbage' will fill one's mental faculty varies from person to person. Rabindranath probably had almost zero 'religious garbage' in his mind. He had a God, but he did not share many religious views like casteism, animal sacrifice, subjugation of women, etc. We cannot call him an atheist. Religion is an integral part of human society and as such it is almost impossible even for a creative genius to escape its influence. This will be particularly true for creative geniuses from less industrialized countries. 

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On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I do not think rationalists (atheists) get offended so easily, nor do they need defending.

As for the question by Mr. Chakrabarty, most people in the world over the last few millennia had religious baggage. Thus, many of the creative geniuses in the world had two compartments in their brain; one filled mostly with religious garbage and the other filled mostly with rational thinking. You need to realize that in its early days even Harvard was under clergy control. So, it was only natural that a lot of the creative geniuses in the world were not atheists. But guess what, the world is progressing and the control of intellectual exercises at places like Harvard, Cambridge, Oxford, etc. are no longer in the hands of the clergy. And there is a trend of diminishing size of the religious garbage compartment in the brains of the geniuses, as well as a trend of having more atheists and agnostics being seen in prestigious schools like Harvard.

Sukhamaya Bain 

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:26 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I have no intention to offend or defend the atheists. I have a simple humble question: Were or are all the creative geniuses atheists? 

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On Sep 9, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
This is expected, because atheists can direct unfettered creativity into practice, whereas, religiosity wastes part of the creativity of a person.  

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:17 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics

 








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[mukto-mona] Israel, Kashmir and Tripura - My Comments on Partha Chatterjee's Article



Partha Chatterjee's likening of Kashmir and Tripura with Israel is hardly rational.
The non-Muslims of other parts of India did not consider Kashmir anything like a 'promised land' to settle in, the way the Zionists of the world did to Palestine. In fact, there is an Indian law that prevents non-Kashmiris to buy land there. If the Kashmiri religious majority had an opportunity, that land most likely would have been something like a Pakistan or Bangladesh today, with the non-Muslims of that land totally expelled/marginalized. Even with all the Indian military presence there, the Muslim majority there have driven out the minority Hindu Pandits from the Kashmir valley. The Muslims of that land have all the power there, except for making that land an Islamic nation of injustice and atrocity. The Muslims of Kashmir certainly have a lot more sovereignty than what the Arabs have in Israel.
Similarly, Tripura was not considered a 'promised land' by the settlers from East Bengal (today's Bangladesh). The persecuted Hindus of East Bengal went to India, including Tripura, for shelter, not for ruling, not for subjugating the local population. Being more educated, they had an advantage over the local population of Tripura. Being too many in number from the densely populated East Bengal, they also became a majority in the land that had been sparsely populated. But their intent was never like what the Zionists wanted to do to the Palestinians. As Mr. Chatterjee has also observed, the Bengali dominated government has been trying to build bridges between the Tribal and the Bengali populations. There is no policy of settling more Bengalis from other parts of the world in Tripura; quite unlike what is going on in Israel.




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Re: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics



Where there is no prof there is controversy. 


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]"
Date:09/10/2015 10:17 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics

 

We can break religion in two parts – 1) believing in God, and 2) worshipping God. There is no controversy over the first part, but second part is controversial, because different religious faiths prescribe different ritualistic practices to worship God.
All religions agree on the concept that God exists in spirit. If that's the view, what's the point of ritualistic practices to worship a non-existent spirit?  
As a result, most (smart) people usually believe in God, but try to avoid the controversial second part in their lives, as much as possible. This way - their mental faculties remain free from numerous ritualistic practices, which enable them to think about other constructive ideas that make them successful in life.


From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics

 
You have a point. But things do not seem to be so simple. How much 'religious garbage' will fill one's mental faculty varies from person to person. Rabindranath probably had almost zero 'religious garbage' in his mind. He had a God, but he did not share many religious views like casteism, animal sacrifice, subjugation of women, etc. We cannot call him an atheist. Religion is an integral part of human society and as such it is almost impossible even for a creative genius to escape its influence. This will be particularly true for creative geniuses from less industrialized countries. 

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On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I do not think rationalists (atheists) get offended so easily, nor do they need defending.

As for the question by Mr. Chakrabarty, most people in the world over the last few millennia had religious baggage. Thus, many of the creative geniuses in the world had two compartments in their brain; one filled mostly with religious garbage and the other filled mostly with rational thinking. You need to realize that in its early days even Harvard was under clergy control. So, it was only natural that a lot of the creative geniuses in the world were not atheists. But guess what, the world is progressing and the control of intellectual exercises at places like Harvard, Cambridge, Oxford, etc. are no longer in the hands of the clergy. And there is a trend of diminishing size of the religious garbage compartment in the brains of the geniuses, as well as a trend of having more atheists and agnostics being seen in prestigious schools like Harvard.

Sukhamaya Bain 

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:26 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I have no intention to offend or defend the atheists. I have a simple humble question: Were or are all the creative geniuses atheists? 

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On Sep 9, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
This is expected, because atheists can direct unfettered creativity into practice, whereas, religiosity wastes part of the creativity of a person.  

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:17 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] More atheists and agnostics entering Harvard than Protestants and Catholics

 








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[mukto-mona] Re: Which war did Abid Bahar really fight? A fake fighter is finally caught!



Why you are asking me? ask him. Why you are sending me email?


From: Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
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Cc: Muazzam Kazi <kazi4986@yahoo.com>; bachchuhaq13 <bachchuhaq13@yahoo.com>; Suhas Barua <suhasboston@gmail.com>; NewEngland Awami League <bishawdipta@yahoo.com>; Syeda Hasan <poplu@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Which war did Abid Bahar really fight? A fake fighter is finally caught!

So, you are another fake fighter? 11 years old child fighting 71 war? On what front? In dreams? This is hilarious! Can you explain to us why Abid has been lying about his war credentials? Can we expect the truth from this liar?



On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Muazzam Kazi <kazi4986@yahoo.com> wrote:

Pal: darling please tell your ghost to take religious hate, deception, coward mentality
from my heart. It will help me to sleep with
peace.
Pal wife: ghost told me your mind is full with hate and hate, which is close to infinity, if he multiply infinity with millions it will remain infinity. 

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On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

It is good see liars like Bahar gets caught with his own stupidity. I always knew that this man is a creep and congenital liar. He generally boasts about his credentials as a freedom fighter during 71 war. If he is a 55 years old (see the link) (http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=575003a7-4539-4ace-ad12-0dd1bf7a293f) now, he must have been a 11 years' lad in 1971. So how many 11 years did get military training during 71 liberation time, let alone carried heavy Kalashnikovs? Where is fake certificate, dear?

"Liars need to have good memories."A. Sidney





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