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Monday, December 16, 2013

[mukto-mona] I respect both Sk. Mujib and Gen. Zia for their contributions to Bangladesh (Re: মিশন ইম্পসিবল!!)




Dear Readers,

1. As I mentioned previously that we need to praise our national leaders for their contributions to Bangladesh before criticizing them.
2. To me, we should never forget the contributions of Sk. Mujibur Rahman (the Father-of-our-Nation).
3. To me, we should neither forget the contributions of Gen. Ziaur Rahman (Hero-of-our-Nation).
4. Human being are not angels at all - they naturally make couple of mistakes in their life time.
5. Even if Sk. Mujib and Gen. Zia did any mistake, but I am still grateful to both of them.
 
With best regards,
Muktijoddha Dr. Emarat Hossain Pannah (USA)



From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মিশন ইম্পসিবল!!

 
Telling the truth is difficult with people. Collectively we often criticize Ziaur Rahman and some of them are valid. Still I feel he made many positive contributions as well. Why are we shy to speak that truth? Those who lived in Bangladesh know the challenges we faced and how Zia stabilized the country. Like many of you, I wished he made different choices in some cases but it is not fair to go after everything he did. Specifically when certain sub-human question his contribution as a leader of our war of independence.

I have known many Mukti-Joddhas who abhors many positions Zia taken as a leader of this country but I am yet to find a genuine freedom fighter who denied his leadership and courage during 1971.

It is a damn shame that, we live in a free country but do not show respect to a leader who was one of the top leaders of that war.

I feel free thinkers should really be free from baggage of politics when we discuss history.

Shalom!


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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মিশন ইম্পসিবল!!

 
Judicious responses to my following post might have, I am afraid, left an impression in the minds of the respectable free thinkers that I am a great fan of Zia, which I am absolutely not as should be evident from my earlier posts on Zia. I have used the word "undid" to summarize all the notorious things he did. He undid our basic constitutional principles. He undid the very political system based on which the country could have moved forward the democratic movement towards perfection. He has made every thing almost a mission possible and we are now in a total mess. 

I have used the word "pragmatism" in a narrow sense--it was a pragmatism exclusively from the perspective of Zia and his perpetuating the power. 

Yes, every ruler has made "adjustment" and is still making "adjustment" with the foreign interests. It is the power politics. They will compromise at the costs of national pride and freedom and sta y in power. We wish our rulers would not give in and work independently. The solution is not very realistic as our leaders would not risk losing power. This makes us as a nation unfortunate. And we know we are not alone. 

Again I insist that we do not need a foreign ruler to take care of our business. I am conscious that it will not happen in one day. Our leaders should have greater reliance on people and that should be the source of their strength. 

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On Dec 15, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Zia example does not prove that he was a man of low self esteem. The opposite was true. With his high self esteem and iron rule he did and undid things to his people and the political system of Bangladesh which nobody else could do. He would have never welcomed physically a foreign agent to supervise his job as the head of the country and the head of the state. This is true for any ruler Bangladesh has ever seen. 

It is possible that under Saudi request Zia stopped deploying female police on the street. Now as nation heavily dependent on foreign aid and earnings, Zia simply took a pragmatic decision. And this is typical of any ruler we have seen so far. It has nothing to do with the self esteem of a particular leader. 

I was referring to those intellectuals who believe from heart that the people of Bangladesh are not capable of running their own show and hence they need a foreign ruler. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 
Mr. Chakrabarty is not aware that much of the administrative decisions
are apparently not homegrown. Not long ago, it came from Pindi; now
it comes from Delhi. A lot comes also from New York, Peking and
Washington. During the tenure of Zia-ur-Rahman, Female Police were
not allowed on the street by an order from Saudi Arabia.

Before SC measures the self esteem of someone else, he should do it to his own.




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[mukto-mona] Fw:



Can you believe this news – even in a solemn national occasion of paying last respect to a man who ended apartheid in South Africans mostly through nonviolence, South African government had to use a bogus sign-language interpreter, who has extremely violent past? What an irony! Mandela must be turning in his grave.         

Jiten Roy
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On Monday, December 16, 2013 12:15 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Relative: Mandela signer in group that burned men

Associated Press
By TENDAI MUSIYA and ALAN CLENDENNING 3 hours ago



FILE - In this file photo from Dec.10, 2013, Thamsanqa Jantjie, right, interprets in sign language for President Barack Obama during his remarks at a memorial service at FNB Stadium in honor of Nelson Mandela in Soweto, near Johannesburg. The South African government says it is aware of reports that Jantjie faced a murder charge a decade ago, and says he is being investigated. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)
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JOHANNESBURG (AP) — The bogus sign language interpreter at last week's Nelson Mandela memorial service was among a group of people who accosted two men found with a stolen television and burned them to death by setting fire to tires placed around their necks, one of the interpreter's cousins and three of his friends told The Associated Press Monday.
But Thamsanqa Jantjie never went to trial for the 2003 killings when other suspects did in 2006 because authorities determined he was not mentally fit to stand trial, said the four. They insisted on speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the fake signing fiasco, which has deeply embarrassed South Africa's government and prompted a high-level investigation into how it happened.
Their account of the killings matched a description of the crime and the outcome for Jantjie that he himself described in an interview published on Sunday by the Sunday Times newspaper of Johannesburg.
"It was a community thing, what you call mob justice, and I was also there," Jantjie told the newspaper.
Jantjie was not at his house Monday, and the cousin told AP Jantjie had been picked up by someone in a car Sunday and had not returned. His cellphone rang through to an automatic message saying Jantjie was not reachable.
Instead of standing trial, Jantjie was institutionalized for a period of longer than a year, the four said, and then returned to live in his poor township neighborhood on the outskirts of Soweto. At some point after that, they said, he started getting jobs doing sign language interpretation at events for the governing African National Congress Party.
Jantjie told the AP last week he has schizophrenia and hallucinated, seeing angels while gesturing incoherently just 3 feet away from President Barack Obama and other world leaders during the Tuesday ceremony at a Soweto stadium. Signing experts said his arm and hand movements were mere gibberish.
In the interview last Thursday, Jantjie said he had been violent in the past "a lot" but declined to provide more details and blamed his violence on his schizophrenia, for which he said he was institutionalized for 19 months in a period that included time during 2006. The cousin and the three friends said the "necklacing" killing of the suspected thieves occurred within a few hundred meters (yards) from Jantjie's tidy concrete home near ramshackle dwellings.
The four spoke to the AP on Monday in Jantjie's neighborhood, and one of the friends described himself as Jantjie's best friend.
Necklacing was a method of killing that was fairly common during the struggle against apartheid by blacks on blacks suspected of aiding the white government or belonging to opposing factions. The method was also used in tribal disputes in the 1980s and 1990s. While people who encounter suspect thieves in South Africa have been known to beat or kill them to mete out punishment, necklacing them has been rare.
An investigation is under way by South African officials to determine who hired Jantjie as the onstage interpreter at the Mandela memorial service and if and how he received security clearance. The officials have not said how long their investigation will take place, and reaching them for updates was difficult Monday, a public holiday in South Africa.
Four government departments involved in organizing the historic memorial service have distanced themselves from the hiring of Jantjie, telling the AP they had no contact with him. A fifth government agency, the Department of Public Works, declined to comment and referred all inquiries about Jantjie to the office of South Africa's top government spokeswoman, who has only said a "comprehensive report" will eventually be released.
Jantjie told the AP he was hired for the event by an interpretation company that has used him on a freelance basis for years. The address that Jantjie provided for the company was occupied by a different company that is not involved in interpreting for the deaf.
The owner of the company was identified by the Sunday Times as Bantubahle Xozwa, who heads a religious and traditional affairs unit of the ANC.
Xozwa told the newspaper that Jantjie was an administrator in his company, South African Interpreters but "is not an interpreter" because he was "was disqualified years ago on the basis of his health."
"He was interpreting at the memorial service in his personal capacity," Xozwa said. The ANC has said it had no role in hiring Jantjie for the memorial service, but has acknowledged using him at party events in the past.
Two ANC spokesmen and a spokeswoman did not answer their cellphones on Monday, a public holiday, when AP tried to reach them for comment. A number listed for Xozwa in Johannesburg rang unanswered.
The Deaf Federation of South Africa has said it filed a complaint with the ANC about bogus signing by Jantjie at a previous event where South African President Jacob Zuma was present.
"We will follow up the reported correspondence that has supposedly been sent to us in this regard and where necessary act on it," the ANC said in a statement last week.
The AP was unable to verify the existence of the school where Jantjie said he studied signing for a year. An online search for the school, which Jantjie said was called Komani and located in Eastern Cape Province, turned up nothing. Advocates for the deaf said they have never heard of the school and said there are no known sign language institutes in the province.
The Star newspaper of Johannesburg reported Friday that Jantjie said he studied sign language interpretation in Britain at the "University of Tecturers." A British charity that awards qualifications for deaf and deaf-blind communications techniques said it had never heard of the university.




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[mukto-mona] Please STOP it - a group of people is trying to destroy the economy of Bangladesh




Dear Readers,

1. Nobody has the right to stop others from working.
2. Everybody has the right not to work himself or herself.
3. A group of people is trying to destroy the economy of Bangladesh.
4. Bangladesh cannot, should not, and must not tolerate this type of forced blockade.
5. Let the government of Bangladesh use all its power diligently and judiciously to STOP blockade.

With best regards,
Muktijoddha Dr. Emarat Hossain Pannah (USA)

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আজ ভোর থেকে ফের ৭২ ঘণ্টার অবরোধ

ইত্তেফাক রিপোর্ট
নির্দলীয় সরকারের দাবিতে আজ মঙ্গলবার ভোর ৬টা থেকে শুক্রবার ভোর ৬টা পর্যন্ত সারাদেশে ৭২ ঘণ্টা দেশজুড়ে রাজপথ, রেলপথ ও নৌপথ অবরোধের কর্মসূচি দিয়েছে বিএনপি নেতৃত্বাধীন ১৮ দলীয় জোট। গতকাল সোমবার সন্ধ্যায় বিএনপি চেয়ারপারসনের গুলশান কার্যালয়ে আয়োজিত এক সংবাদ সম্মেলনে বিএনপির স্থায়ী কমিটির সদস্য নজরুল ইসলাম খান এ কর্মসূচির ঘোষণা দেন। .....
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[mukto-mona] Do all Religions Teach the Same Truth



Do all Religions Teach the Same Truth

Friends in two minutes I have tried to argue that all major religions teach the same Truth. Enjoy and share.

http://www.vidoyen.com/questions/do-the-major-religions-point-to-the-same-truth/answers/dr-muqtedar-khan

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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: MCB Press Release: 'Muslim Council of Britain condemns the execution of Bangladesh’s opposition Leader'



The Muslim Council of Britain is heavily subsidised by Saudi Arabia to propagate Wahhabism. As Wahhabism and al-Qaeda are  connected at the umbilical cord, the short answer to your question is yes. 


From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 16 December 2013, 5:21
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: MCB Press Release: 'Muslim Council of Britain condemns the execution of Bangladesh's opposition Leader'

 
Is the 'Muslim Council of Britain' an al-Quada organization?


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:40 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
 
We, the Muslims in Britain, condemn the blatant partial attitude adopted by the so-called 'Muslim Council of Britain'. What authority has this 'Muslim Council of Britain' got to claim the voice of all Muslims in Britain? 
Where was this 'Muslim Council of Britain' when this Quadir Molla along with his henchmen killed a number of families - Muslims as well as Hindus? One Muslim family member (who was in hiding) gave a vivid account how Molla men dragged family members, one by one, out of the house and killed by striking with machetes. These barbarians then shouted the Pakistani slogans and asked if there were any more AL supporters. 
This Muslim Council should apologise for its totally one sided view.

- AR 



From: Totonji Al Hajj <ahmadtotonji@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2013, 17:08
Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: MCB Press Release: 'Muslim Council of Britain condemns the execution of Bangladesh's opposition Leader'

 


On Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:06 PM, Totonji Al Hajj <ahmadtotonji@yahoo.com> wrote:


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From: <mcbnews@mcb.org.uk>
Date: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Subject: MCB Press Release: 'Muslim Council of Britain condemns the execution of Bangladesh's opposition Leader'
To: "mcbmedia@mcb.org.uk" <mcbmedia@mcb.org.uk>, "mcbnews@mcb.org.uk" <mcbnews@mcb.org.uk>


Press Release

Muslim Council of Britain condemns the execution of Bangladesh's opposition Leader

13th December 2013

The Muslim Council of Britain adds its voice in condemning the execution of a Bangladesh opposition leader, Abdul Quader Molla, on Thursday 11 December.

The Bangladesh government has defied calls from the international community to act justly.

The United Nations made a last ditch attempt to call a halt to the execution. Human rights groups such as Amnesty International condemned this state murder, others, such as Human Rights Watch, criticised the trial of Mr Mollah that led to his execution.

And in Britain, the Foreign Office Minister Sayeeda Warsi had urged the Bangladesh government not to proceed. Baroness Warsi was joined by shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander.

Farooq Murad, Secretary General of the MCB said:

"It is a sad day for Bangladesh and sad day for democracy and justice. The trial process of Abdul Quader Molla was fraught with flaws and the international community including the UN and all respected Human Rights organisations world over strongly criticised the trial as unfair, biased and politically driven."

"Many British Bangladeshi Muslims still have ties to that country and there is deep unease that this act will propel Bangladesh, a country of some 155 million, into further instability at best, anarchy at worst."

"Bangladesh has a proud tradition of religious pluralism. We call on all Bangladeshis to exercise dignity and wisdom to preserve this pluralism following this unjust execution."

"Abdul Quader Mollah was tried for crimes committed during Bangladesh's war of independence in 1971. We agree that those guilty of such crimes should be brought to book. However, Mr Mollah vehemently contested the charges put to him, and he was not allowed to properly defend himself in an open and transparent judicial process, supervised by international jurists."

"We now have a situation where there will be more bereaved families, more impunity and more unanswered questions for justice."

The Muslim Council of Britain expresses its sincere condolences to the family of Abdul Quader Molla and call on the British government to urgently review its relationships with the Bangladeshi authorities. These include a review of aid delivered to Bangladesh, and a review of Bangladesh's position within the Commonwealth.

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