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[mukto-mona] FW: The Meaning of Life - a good read






What is the meaning of life? 

Would God be a good source for this information?


After having a near-death experience (nde), a few people have had a chance to communicate with God.  The meaning of life given by these people is surprisingly constant: l
ove.

More specifically, love expressed through random acts of kindness.

Mary W. says this of her nde,


"
Reviewing my random acts of kindness gave me the most joy because I was able to feel the difference I made in someone's life that I hadn't realized at the time …and I didn't even know them.  I was shown it is not the big things we do in life that make the difference.  It's all the little things we do each day that make the difference.  Little acts of kindness mean so much to God."


Dannion B. got this from his nde,



"random acts of kindness" turn out to be what matters most.


Many others say the exact, same thing!


In
closing, I would like to thank the man, in a Midwestern city, who stepped up and paid the rest of my bill at a sandwich shop, when I didn't have enough cash.  That was 2 years ago, and I haven't forgotten it.

When you help someone you don't know, you become "every other person in the world", to the human being who is in need at that moment. 

                        
                         YOU have an important role to play in this life
PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO THE PEOPLE IN YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS BOOK
                         and become a part of this ongoing adventure

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Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments



Whatever the case, it would be improper for sitting PM of a secular country to defend a particular religion or a religious group against any kind of cultural aggression, particularly if the perceived rival is another religion. If the cultural influence is potentially harmful, that has to be faced differently (education, arts, humanities, philosophy, ethics, etc.) The principle of separation of church and state came from Europe. England was a great partner in that endeavor. Light came from them for the modern world. It would be unfortunate if they now forget what they taught the world one day. They need to be fair: no appeasement, no aninosity either.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 

You are right – nobody is forcing them to embrace Islam. The threat is not from the conversion, it's from the cultural side. Islamists want to shape their societies, wherever they are, in their own way through Sharia Laws and other traditional cultural practices. No one can blame them; it's a part of their religious obligations/rights. Such cultural changes are bound to clash with the host cultural traditions, which is like a clash of civilization. This problem is beginning to show up in all free societies around the world.
A free society has to allow religious rights of others, while preserving their own cultural and traditional identities. This is an insurmountable problem, and it could end all amenities of a free society, as we know today, and polarize it strictly toward its traditional cultural roots. Signs are already visible in many countries around the world. It will only get stronger in the future, unless all parasitic cultures stop their invasive practices sooner than later.
Jiten Roy

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
Don't think anyone is able to force others to accept Islam in the UK ( Also it is not permitted by Islam). So if some English people decide to accept Islam as their religion, why it is taken as a "Threat"? Most English people do not go to church anyway. A large number of them are agnostics and atheists. Should the English Christians go after Hindus, atheists and agnostics as well?

You are right. Some other Euro "Populist" leaders ( Just for their vote banks) submitted to fear mongering. I feel if citizens do not have freedom to think without any barriers or join any group of their choices, it goes against core British identity as a 'Free country".


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:23 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The fact is, UK-society is experiencing pressure from ever-growing religious pressure from other religions (e.g., Islam). Actually, growth of Islam has become a threat to the Christian society there. Therefore, this is a defensive measure on the part of the Cameron government to save the Christian society in the UK. Australia and France have already adopted such measures.
Jiten Roy

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The British PM calling his country a 'christian country' is actually not too surprising. After all, Britain is still a monarchy, which is against democratic principles, which proclaims some human beings to be born superior to others. There is no need for the world to think that he or his country as it is today is perfect by any means. Thus, his proclamation for christainity for Britain would not justify islamic or hindu characterization of some other parts of the world.
Having said the above, I also see that in that same session he also said, "But they are also values that speak to us all -- to people of every faith and none. And I believe we should all stand up and defend them." Here he seems to include people that have no faith also in the category of "we", which most religious fanatics do not do.
The values that he talked about, "responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities" are good values. Being a Christian, he is proud to say that they are christian values. I would have no problem hearing from a Muslim that they are islamic values, or from a Hindu that they are hindu values. Of course, religious people and religion-mongers need to realize that they are also good non-religious human values.
Sukhamaya Bain  
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
Although the values mentioned by the British PM are not exclusively Christian, if he has said that in a closed door gathering of the church goers, it is OK. He might have done it for Christian votes. Even if he has addressed it to a particular group as an inspirational speech, that should also be OK.
However, for a country like UK with diverse religious groups it is not befitting that it be an official address by a sitting PM addressed to the whole nation. Looks like now-a-days it has become fashionable or even profitable in western develpoed countries to appeal to the voters with a mixture of politics and religion. That's dangerous trend.    
Cameron's conviction "--we should not be afraid to acknowledge" that "--they are Christian values" is lot similar to India's BJP's slogan "Be proud to say that you are a hindu". Both of these seem to be a defensive strategy. Defense against whom? The leaders of the muslim countries invoke Islam and Islamic values in both official and unofficial addresses.   
 
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The Bible has helped to shape the values which define our country," he said.
"Responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities -- these are the values we treasure.
"Yes, they are Christian values. And we should not be afraid to acknowledge that."


>>>>>>>> Just imagine if someone from Bangladesh said the SAME thing about Islam and the noble Qur'an?



Sometime it feels like some of us spends too much time to declare what they stand against but NOT enough time to clarify what they stand for?

Maybe some of us should spend time on that. Eh?


-----Original Message-----
From: lutful bari <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>
To: sah1947 <sah1947@yahoo.com>; progressive-muslim <progressive-muslim@yahoogroups.com>; political_analysts <political_analysts@yahoogroups.com>; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; mahdiunite <mahdiunite@yahoogroups.com>; sahannan sahannan <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: lutful bari <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 3:07 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The news below is a very important statement by the current British Prime Minister. He has emphasized the christian roots of Britain, the need for moral regeneration. He has called UK as a christian country.
Even if their is scope for difference about his statement, because the secularists may not accept UK as a christian country, I however feel that Mr. Cameron essentially has made a correct statement. I feel that any country with christian majority can be rightly called a christian country as any country with muslim majority can be called a muslim country. However, I want to stress that though the main identity of UK is christian, the identity of other religious communities such as that of Muslims, Shiks, Jews and Hindus are also a reality in the UK. It is like a muslim country where the identity of non-muslim community are or have to be respected in terms o the basic teachings of Islam.

The whole world has to be saved from moral collapse, as Cameron has said. This has to be done on the basis of the moral roots of every countries' religious teachings.

Shah Abdul Hannan
Poliitcal and religious researcher, Dhaka, Bangladesh.


Afp, London
Britain is a Christian nation and should not be afraid of standing up for Christian values to help counter the country's "moral collapse", Prime Minister David Cameron said Friday.
In a rare foray into religion by a British premier, Cameron said "live and let live" had too often become "do what you please" in Britain.
The "passive tolerance" of immoral behaviour had helped fuel the August riots, excess in the banking industry and home-grown Islamist terror, he said.
"We are a Christian country. And we should not be afraid to say so," Cameron said at an event in Oxford to mark the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible.
"The Bible has helped to give Britain a set of values and morals which make Britain what it is today. Values and morals we should actively stand up and defend.
The alternative of moral neutrality should not be an option."
Cameron described himself as a committed but only "vaguely practising" member of the Church of England, who was "full of doubts" about big theological issues.
"We've got stand up for our values if we are to confront the slow-motion moral collapse that has taken place in parts of our country these past few generations," he said.
"Moral neutrality or passive tolerance just isn't going to cut it any more.
Cameron said that along with the works of William Shakespeare, the King James Bible was a "high point of the English language".
"The Bible has helped to shape the values which define our country," he said.
"Responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities -- these are the values we treasure.
"Yes, they are Christian values. And we should not be afraid to acknowledge that."
"But they are also values that speak to us all -- to people of every faith and none. And I believe we should all stand up and defend them."












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Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments




You are right – nobody is forcing them to embrace Islam. The threat is not from the conversion, it's from the cultural side. Islamists want to shape their societies, wherever they are, in their own way through Sharia Laws and other traditional cultural practices. No one can blame them; it's a part of their religious obligations/rights. Such cultural changes are bound to clash with the host cultural traditions, which is like a clash of civilization. This problem is beginning to show up in all free societies around the world.
A free society has to allow religious rights of others, while preserving their own cultural and traditional identities. This is an insurmountable problem, and it could end all amenities of a free society, as we know today, and polarize it strictly toward its traditional cultural roots. Signs are already visible in many countries around the world. It will only get stronger in the future, unless all parasitic cultures stop their invasive practices sooner than later.
Jiten Roy

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
Don't think anyone is able to force others to accept Islam in the UK ( Also it is not permitted by Islam). So if some English people decide to accept Islam as their religion, why it is taken as a "Threat"? Most English people do not go to church anyway. A large number of them are agnostics and atheists. Should the English Christians go after Hindus, atheists and agnostics as well?

You are right. Some other Euro "Populist" leaders ( Just for their vote banks) submitted to fear mongering. I feel if citizens do not have freedom to think without any barriers or join any group of their choices, it goes against core British identity as a 'Free country".


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:23 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The fact is, UK-society is experiencing pressure from ever-growing religious pressure from other religions (e.g., Islam). Actually, growth of Islam has become a threat to the Christian society there. Therefore, this is a defensive measure on the part of the Cameron government to save the Christian society in the UK. Australia and France have already adopted such measures.
Jiten Roy

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The British PM calling his country a 'christian country' is actually not too surprising. After all, Britain is still a monarchy, which is against democratic principles, which proclaims some human beings to be born superior to others. There is no need for the world to think that he or his country as it is today is perfect by any means. Thus, his proclamation for christainity for Britain would not justify islamic or hindu characterization of some other parts of the world.
Having said the above, I also see that in that same session he also said, "But they are also values that speak to us all -- to people of every faith and none. And I believe we should all stand up and defend them." Here he seems to include people that have no faith also in the category of "we", which most religious fanatics do not do.
The values that he talked about, "responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities" are good values. Being a Christian, he is proud to say that they are christian values. I would have no problem hearing from a Muslim that they are islamic values, or from a Hindu that they are hindu values. Of course, religious people and religion-mongers need to realize that they are also good non-religious human values.
Sukhamaya Bain  
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
Although the values mentioned by the British PM are not exclusively Christian, if he has said that in a closed door gathering of the church goers, it is OK. He might have done it for Christian votes. Even if he has addressed it to a particular group as an inspirational speech, that should also be OK.
However, for a country like UK with diverse religious groups it is not befitting that it be an official address by a sitting PM addressed to the whole nation. Looks like now-a-days it has become fashionable or even profitable in western develpoed countries to appeal to the voters with a mixture of politics and religion. That's dangerous trend.    
Cameron's conviction "--we should not be afraid to acknowledge" that "--they are Christian values" is lot similar to India's BJP's slogan "Be proud to say that you are a hindu". Both of these seem to be a defensive strategy. Defense against whom? The leaders of the muslim countries invoke Islam and Islamic values in both official and unofficial addresses.   
 
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The Bible has helped to shape the values which define our country," he said.
"Responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities -- these are the values we treasure.
"Yes, they are Christian values. And we should not be afraid to acknowledge that."


>>>>>>>> Just imagine if someone from Bangladesh said the SAME thing about Islam and the noble Qur'an?



Sometime it feels like some of us spends too much time to declare what they stand against but NOT enough time to clarify what they stand for?

Maybe some of us should spend time on that. Eh?


-----Original Message-----
From: lutful bari <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>
To: sah1947 <sah1947@yahoo.com>; progressive-muslim <progressive-muslim@yahoogroups.com>; political_analysts <political_analysts@yahoogroups.com>; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; mahdiunite <mahdiunite@yahoogroups.com>; sahannan sahannan <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: lutful bari <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 3:07 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The news below is a very important statement by the current British Prime Minister. He has emphasized the christian roots of Britain, the need for moral regeneration. He has called UK as a christian country.
Even if their is scope for difference about his statement, because the secularists may not accept UK as a christian country, I however feel that Mr. Cameron essentially has made a correct statement. I feel that any country with christian majority can be rightly called a christian country as any country with muslim majority can be called a muslim country. However, I want to stress that though the main identity of UK is christian, the identity of other religious communities such as that of Muslims, Shiks, Jews and Hindus are also a reality in the UK. It is like a muslim country where the identity of non-muslim community are or have to be respected in terms o the basic teachings of Islam.

The whole world has to be saved from moral collapse, as Cameron has said. This has to be done on the basis of the moral roots of every countries' religious teachings.

Shah Abdul Hannan
Poliitcal and religious researcher, Dhaka, Bangladesh.


Afp, London
Britain is a Christian nation and should not be afraid of standing up for Christian values to help counter the country's "moral collapse", Prime Minister David Cameron said Friday.
In a rare foray into religion by a British premier, Cameron said "live and let live" had too often become "do what you please" in Britain.
The "passive tolerance" of immoral behaviour had helped fuel the August riots, excess in the banking industry and home-grown Islamist terror, he said.
"We are a Christian country. And we should not be afraid to say so," Cameron said at an event in Oxford to mark the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible.
"The Bible has helped to give Britain a set of values and morals which make Britain what it is today. Values and morals we should actively stand up and defend.
The alternative of moral neutrality should not be an option."
Cameron described himself as a committed but only "vaguely practising" member of the Church of England, who was "full of doubts" about big theological issues.
"We've got stand up for our values if we are to confront the slow-motion moral collapse that has taken place in parts of our country these past few generations," he said.
"Moral neutrality or passive tolerance just isn't going to cut it any more.
Cameron said that along with the works of William Shakespeare, the King James Bible was a "high point of the English language".
"The Bible has helped to shape the values which define our country," he said.
"Responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities -- these are the values we treasure.
"Yes, they are Christian values. And we should not be afraid to acknowledge that."
"But they are also values that speak to us all -- to people of every faith and none. And I believe we should all stand up and defend them."










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Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments



Don't think anyone is able to force others to accept Islam in the UK ( Also it is not permitted by Islam). So if some English people decide to accept Islam as their religion, why it is taken as a "Threat"? Most English people do not go to church anyway. A large number of them are agnostics and atheists. Should the English Christians go after Hindus, atheists and agnostics as well?

You are right. Some other Euro "Populist" leaders ( Just for their vote banks) submitted to fear mongering. I feel if citizens do not have freedom to think without any barriers or join any group of their choices, it goes against core British identity as a 'Free country".


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:23 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The fact is, UK-society is experiencing pressure from ever-growing religious pressure from other religions (e.g., Islam). Actually, growth of Islam has become a threat to the Christian society there. Therefore, this is a defensive measure on the part of the Cameron government to save the Christian society in the UK. Australia and France have already adopted such measures.
Jiten Roy

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The British PM calling his country a 'christian country' is actually not too surprising. After all, Britain is still a monarchy, which is against democratic principles, which proclaims some human beings to be born superior to others. There is no need for the world to think that he or his country as it is today is perfect by any means. Thus, his proclamation for christainity for Britain would not justify islamic or hindu characterization of some other parts of the world.
Having said the above, I also see that in that same session he also said, "But they are also values that speak to us all -- to people of every faith and none. And I believe we should all stand up and defend them." Here he seems to include people that have no faith also in the category of "we", which most religious fanatics do not do.
The values that he talked about, "responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities" are good values. Being a Christian, he is proud to say that they are christian values. I would have no problem hearing from a Muslim that they are islamic values, or from a Hindu that they are hindu values. Of course, religious people and religion-mongers need to realize that they are also good non-religious human values.
Sukhamaya Bain  
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
Although the values mentioned by the British PM are not exclusively Christian, if he has said that in a closed door gathering of the church goers, it is OK. He might have done it for Christian votes. Even if he has addressed it to a particular group as an inspirational speech, that should also be OK.
However, for a country like UK with diverse religious groups it is not befitting that it be an official address by a sitting PM addressed to the whole nation. Looks like now-a-days it has become fashionable or even profitable in western develpoed countries to appeal to the voters with a mixture of politics and religion. That's dangerous trend.    
Cameron's conviction "--we should not be afraid to acknowledge" that "--they are Christian values" is lot similar to India's BJP's slogan "Be proud to say that you are a hindu". Both of these seem to be a defensive strategy. Defense against whom? The leaders of the muslim countries invoke Islam and Islamic values in both official and unofficial addresses.   
 
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The Bible has helped to shape the values which define our country," he said.
"Responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities -- these are the values we treasure.
"Yes, they are Christian values. And we should not be afraid to acknowledge that."


>>>>>>>> Just imagine if someone from Bangladesh said the SAME thing about Islam and the noble Qur'an?



Sometime it feels like some of us spends too much time to declare what they stand against but NOT enough time to clarify what they stand for?

Maybe some of us should spend time on that. Eh?


-----Original Message-----
From: lutful bari <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>
To: sah1947 <sah1947@yahoo.com>; progressive-muslim <progressive-muslim@yahoogroups.com>; political_analysts <political_analysts@yahoogroups.com>; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; mahdiunite <mahdiunite@yahoogroups.com>; sahannan sahannan <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: lutful bari <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 3:07 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] David Cameron says UK is a cristian country - my comments

 
The news below is a very important statement by the current British Prime Minister. He has emphasized the christian roots of Britain, the need for moral regeneration. He has called UK as a christian country.
Even if their is scope for difference about his statement, because the secularists may not accept UK as a christian country, I however feel that Mr. Cameron essentially has made a correct statement. I feel that any country with christian majority can be rightly called a christian country as any country with muslim majority can be called a muslim country. However, I want to stress that though the main identity of UK is christian, the identity of other religious communities such as that of Muslims, Shiks, Jews and Hindus are also a reality in the UK. It is like a muslim country where the identity of non-muslim community are or have to be respected in terms o the basic teachings of Islam.

The whole world has to be saved from moral collapse, as Cameron has said. This has to be done on the basis of the moral roots of every countries' religious teachings.

Shah Abdul Hannan
Poliitcal and religious researcher, Dhaka, Bangladesh.


Afp, London
Britain is a Christian nation and should not be afraid of standing up for Christian values to help counter the country's "moral collapse", Prime Minister David Cameron said Friday.
In a rare foray into religion by a British premier, Cameron said "live and let live" had too often become "do what you please" in Britain.
The "passive tolerance" of immoral behaviour had helped fuel the August riots, excess in the banking industry and home-grown Islamist terror, he said.
"We are a Christian country. And we should not be afraid to say so," Cameron said at an event in Oxford to mark the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible.
"The Bible has helped to give Britain a set of values and morals which make Britain what it is today. Values and morals we should actively stand up and defend.
The alternative of moral neutrality should not be an option."
Cameron described himself as a committed but only "vaguely practising" member of the Church of England, who was "full of doubts" about big theological issues.
"We've got stand up for our values if we are to confront the slow-motion moral collapse that has taken place in parts of our country these past few generations," he said.
"Moral neutrality or passive tolerance just isn't going to cut it any more.
Cameron said that along with the works of William Shakespeare, the King James Bible was a "high point of the English language".
"The Bible has helped to shape the values which define our country," he said.
"Responsibility, hard work, charity, compassion, humility, self-sacrifice, love, pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another, to our families and our communities -- these are the values we treasure.
"Yes, they are Christian values. And we should not be afraid to acknowledge that."
"But they are also values that speak to us all -- to people of every faith and none. And I believe we should all stand up and defend them."








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[mukto-mona] Gita controversy : Russia apologetic, but court to decide



Gita controversy : Russia apologetic, but court to decide

ASHOK B SHARMA, 20-Dec-2011 08:49:28 AM
 
 
 
New Delhi, Dec 20 : The Indian people are perturbed over the attempts by some motivated individuals seeking to ban Bhagawad Gita in Russia. They are eagerly waiting for the decision on final hearing by the Tomsk District Court rescheduled on December 28.

Certain group of individuals in Siberia in Russia has apparently alleged that the third Russian edition of the publication "Bhagawad Gita As It Is" – a translation of a commentary by Swami Prabhupada, founder of ISKCON – has certain portions that are "objectionable" and "extremist" in nature.

The public anguish was very much echoed in the Indian Parliament by leaders cutting across party barriers who demanded that India take up this matter with Russia. This prompted the Russian Ambassador in India Alexander M Kadakin to issue an apologetic statement late Monday night.  

The Indian External Affairs Minister, SM Krishna, responding to the public anguish On Monday said in the Lok Sabha (Lower House of the Parliament)  : "The International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) representatives were advised to take legal recourse to counter this misdirected complaint. We have also taken up this matter at the senior levels of the Russian Government. The Ministry of External Affairs has been in regular touch with our Embassy in Moscow on this issue. The matter was also taken up with the Russian Ambassador based in India, H.E. Mr. Alexander Kadakin who is himself a well-known Indologist. In fact the Ambassador has been publicly critical of this episode. He has stated that Bhagavad-Gita is a great source of wisdom for the people of India and the world. He also said that Russia is a secular and democratic country where all religions enjoy equal respect."

"Russia, as it is known to anyone, is a secular and democratic country where all religions enjoy equal respect. Even more applicable it is to the holy scriptures of various faiths - whether it is the Bible, the Holy Quran, Torah, Avesta and, of course, Bhagavad-Gita -- the great source of wisdom for the people of India and the world," the Russian Ambassador said

"It is strange that such events are unfolding in the beautiful university city in Siberia, as Tomsk which is famous for its secularism and religious tolerance……Well, it seems that even the lovely city of Tomsk has its own neighborhood madmen. It is sad indeed," said Ambassador Kadakin.

Further expressing his personal views he said :"I consider it categorically inadmissible when any holy scripture is taken to the courts. For all believers these texts are sacred."

"It is not normal either when religious books are sent for examination to ignorant people. Their academic scrutiny should be done at scientists' fora, congresses, seminars, etc but not in courts," he said.

The final hearing in the Tomsk District Court was due on December 19, 2011, but has been rescheduled for December 28, 2011, as the Court has agreed to seek the opinion of the Russian Ombudsman on Human Rights in Tomsk District, and of Indologists from Moscow and St. Petersburg, who have greater knowledge and expertise on India.

Following the initial proceedings in August 2011, the District Court appointed its own three member expert group from the University of Kemerovo (in Siberia), which was to submit a report within three months. The final hearing in the Tomsk District Court was due on December 19, 2011, but has been rescheduled for December 28, 2011, as the Court has agreed to seek the opinion of the Russian Ombudsman on Human Rights in Tomsk District, and of Indologists from Moscow and St. Petersburg, who have greater knowledge and expertise on India.

Further assuring the Indian Parliament, Krishna said : "Hon'ble Members would agree that the Bhagwad Gita is not simply a religious text; it is one of the defining treatises of Indian thought and describes the very soul of our great civilization. The Gita is far above any cheap propaganda or attacks by the ignorant or the misdirected. In Russia itself, we have many great Indologists, scholars and experts who understand the essence of the Gita and have written on it with reverence and passion. We do not want to dignify with too much attention some misdirected individuals who have filed an absurd complaint. We are confident that our Russian friends, who understand our civilizational values and cultural sensitivities, will resolve this matter appropriately."
 


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