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Friday, December 21, 2012

[mukto-mona] Re: Press Release: Please Publish [4 Attachments]

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2012/12/22 Bangabandhu Parishad USA <usa.bbp@gmail.com>

যুক্তরাষ্ট্র বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিষদ; বঙ্গবন্ধু সাংস্কৃতিক গোষ্ঠী; নির্মূল কমিটির উদ্যোগে 'মহান বিজয় দিবস' পালিত

'বঙ্গবন্ধু হত্যার বিচার যেমনি হয়েছে, যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচারও আমরা দেখতে পাবো'

যুক্তরাষ্ট্র বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিষদ; বঙ্গবন্ধু সাংস্কৃতিক গোষ্ঠী; নির্মূল কমিটির নিউয়রক স্টেট সিটি চ্যাপ্টারের যৌথ উদ্যোগে শুক্রবার ২১শে ডিসেম্বর সন্ধ্যায় এস্টোরিয়ার ক্লাব সনমে যথাযোগ্য মর্যাদায় 'মহান বিজয় দিবস' পালিত হয়। অনুষ্টানের শুরুতে শাহারিয়ার কবিরের প্রামান্য চিত্র, 'Portrait of Jihad' প্রদর্শিত হয়, যা দর্শকের ভূয়সী প্রশংসা কুড়ায়। এরপর শুরু হয় আলোচনা অনুষ্টান। এতে বিভিন্ন বক্তা বলেন, বিজয় দিবস তখনই সার্থক হবে যখন বাংলাদেশের মাটিতে যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচার সম্পন্ন হবে। বাংলাদেশের জনগণ যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচারের রায় চায় এবং সেই রায় অবিলম্বে কার্যকর দেখতে চায়। যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচার বানচাল করতে চারিদিকে ষড়যন্ত্র হচ্ছে। সেই ষড়যন্ত্র রুখতে হবে। মুক্তযুদ্ধের সপক্ষ শক্তিকে ঐক্যবদ্ধভাবে আর একবার ৭১-এর মত গর্জে উঠতে হবে এবং বিজয় ছিনিয়ে আনতে হবে। প্রধান অতিথি : নুরুন নবী বলেন, শত প্রতিকুলতা সত্বেও প্রধানমন্ত্রী জননেত্রী শেখ হাসিনা যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচারের যে উদ্যোগ নিয়েছেন, আমাদের সবাইকে সেটা সফল করতে হবে। তিনি বলেন, আমি আশাবাদী, বঙ্গবন্ধু হত্যার বিচার যেমনি হয়েছে, যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচারও আমরা সামনের বছর সম্পন্ন হবে বলে দেখতে পাবো।

 

অনুষ্টানে সভাপতিত্ব করেন নির্মূল কমিটির নিউয়রক কমিটির সভাপতি সফি চৌধুরী। প্রধান অতিথি ছিলেন বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিষদের সভাপতি : নূরন নবী। পরিচলনা করেন শিতাংশু গুহ এবং নির্মূল কমিটির সিটি চ্যাপ্টারের সভাপতি দুরুদ মিয়া রুমেল। অন্যান্যদের মধ্যে বক্তৃতা করেন, বিশেষ অতিথি সৈয়দ মহান্মদুল্ল্যাহ, শাহীন আজমল, সাধারণ সম্পাদক, স্টেট আওয়ামী লীগ; যুক্তরাস্ট যুব কমান্ড সভাপতি জাকারিয়া চৌধুরী; বঙ্গবন্ধু সাংস্কৃতিক গোষ্ঠীর সভাপতি লুত্ফুর্নাহার লতা; বঙ্গমাতা পরিষদের সভাপতি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা সোরাব সরকার; লীগ অব আমেরিকার সভাপতি আব্দুল কাদির শাহীন; স্বীকৃতি বড়ুয়া; রনক আহমদ চৌধুরী; সোলায়মান আলী; ইকবাল হোসেন প্রমুখ। বাংলাদেশ সোসাইটির নির্বাচিত সভাপতি কামাল আহমদ অনুষ্টান শুরুর পূর্বে বেশ কিছুক্ষণ থেকে সবাইকে বিজয় দিবসের শুভেচ্ছা জানিয়ে চলে যান। বাংলাদেশ আওয়ামী লীগের সভাপতি : সিদ্দিকুর রহমান অনুষ্টান শেষ হবার পর আসেন। অনুষ্টানের শুরুতে বিজয় দিবসের শুভেচ্ছা জানানো হয় এবং জাতির জনক বঙ্গবন্ধু সহ সকল শহীদ এবংশহীদ বুব্দীজিবী সিরাজঊদ্দিন হোসেন-এর স্ত্রী নুরজাহান সিরাজী আবদুল গাফ্ফার চৌধুরীর স্ত্রী সেলিমা আফরোজ চৌধুরীসহ গণতান্ত্রিক সংগ্রামে নিহত শহীদের প্রতি সন্মান জানিয়ে ১মিনিট নীরবতা পালন করা হয়।

 

তৃতীয় পর্যায়ে অনুষ্টিত হয় সাংস্কৃতিক অনুষ্টান। লুত্ফুর্নাহার লতা মাহবুবে খুদা রুমি এটি পরিচালনা করেন। জেড এইচ আরজু মুক্তিযুদ্ধের ওপর একটি কবিতা আবৃতি করেন। চন্দ্রা রায় স্বাধীনতার ওপর গান পরিবেশনা করেন। গীটারে দুটি গান পরিবেশনা করেন বাসমা। এরপর সমবেত দেশাত্বক সঙ্গীত পরিবেশনা করেন নির্মূল কমিটির তরুণ সাংষ্কৃতিক কর্মীরা। এদের মধ্যে ছিলেন, মামুনুর রশিদ; নুরুল কবির; গৌতম রায়; অনিন্দ্য; হৃদয়; ফিরোজ; রিসাত অনিক। জাতীয় সঙ্গীতের মধ্য দিয়ে অনুষ্টানের সমাপ্তি হয়।

 

ধন্যবাদ,

শিতাংসু গুহ

সাধারণ সম্পাদক, যুক্তরাষ্ট্র বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিষদ

২১শে ডিসেম্বর ২০১২





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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Who spawned communalism in India?



On the contrary, there were communal clashes wherever and whenever possible among the believers of different religions and subgroups of the same religion.  British did not have to spawn them.  The new converts might retain remnants of the old faith, conversion alone does not explain the remarkable decrease in the non Muslim population of India, mass slaughter and deportation as slaves abroad can.  Remember, over a period of roughly five hundred years, the number decreased by four hundred millions.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

"There is no denying the fact that Muslim rulers like Mahmud of Ghazni looted and destroyed temples and killed Hindus and to do these they used their soldiers. But are there any historical evidences of communal clashes between two groups of ordinary citizens that we see now? "

Mr. Chakraborty should know why there were no communal clashes among ordinary citizens during early Muslim period. One reason is - ordinary Muslims were recent converts, and many of them still maintained their ancestral last names and heritages. Another reason is - there was no need for communal clashes, because Muslim rulers were committing communal persecution on Hindus already. When a ruler or a commune attacks another commune on the basis of religion, it's a communal attack, not a communal clash. Mr. Chakraborty can rest assured that – there is no communal clash in Bangladesh also.    

Jiten Roy


--- On Fri, 12/21/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Who spawned communalism in India?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 21, 2012, 8:07 PM


 

Among the ordinary citizens, not even five percent were Muslims.  If you had eyes on your forehead, and brain in your skull, you could find out that communal tension and clash existed in other forms.  Hinduism was never one religion.  In case of Bertrand Russell, I told you to read his autobiography.  Only reason, you might not have done it is that you don't spend money to buy books.  I quoted Vivekananda(because he was acceptable to you) who in his turn quoted Firestha to prove that Muslims did indeed decimate the non-Muslims mercilessly.  (I did it as you would not consider western reference authentic.  Where do you live, by the way?  If you don't find them worth trusting, should you not leave the area where they dominate?) When you find them of a very peaceful nature, you seem to forget the history of the Khiljis, Mughals, Nadir Shah, Ahmad Shah Durrani to name a few.  Even when King Dahir fell in Sindh to Mohammad bin Kasim due to the treachery of the Purohits, he had to send the virgin daughters of Dahir to his uncle commander.  Those poor women played a trick to take revenge.  They claimed that they were raped before being sent.  The uncle ordered his nephew to be brought to him in a skin bag sewed airtight.

Those who consider such manner civilized have nothing but rotten brain and is not worth a discussion of any variety.  Such uncivil manners are countless in Islam, the so called religion of peace.

Please spend a little time and money to learn.  There are enough resources around you.
  As you call me 'self claimed omniscient person', and Rahman a voracious (I suppose he chews the pages as food) reader, you should look for resources to any place but me.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

We have seen before that Das has least faith in Vivekananda. Now we see that Vivekananda is quotable to him. But that's O.K. But figures seem to be absurd. What happened? Hindus got killed by Muslim rulers or they converted to Islam? But Hindu and Muslim populations have not reversed during these five centuries! 
I would request Das to provide us with more details. I hope he will not ignore my request as he did in case of Bertrand Russell. 
There is no denying the fact that Muslim rulers like Mahmud of Ghazni looted and destroyed temples and killed Hindus and to do these they used their soldiers. But are there any historical evidences of communal clashes between two groups of ordinary citizens that we see now? 

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On Dec 19, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I do not cite Western references always, though they are more dependable than others.  Vivekananda cited Firestha, a Muslim historian of late twelfth century, and wrote the Hindu population was then 600 millions, during the Muslim rule it became 200 million in roughly five hundred years of Muslim rule.  Communal clash in India is a recent phenomenon, because before the British rule, it was one sided slaughter of Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs(who might have called themselves Shaikh to save their butts) committed by the Muslim rulers.  When somebody, a child of a spineless convert, calls Muslim rule peaceful, it is a tolerable lie.  The person suffers from identity crisis.  When an outright idiot of Katzu/Chakrabarty variety also believes such things, how and why does he think he has an opinion.  Instead of taking Katzu seriously, you should read Anwar Shaikh, a former rioter in favor of Muslims who became apostate.  He rightly points out the spinelessness of Hindus and the slaughter committed by Muslims on them through ages.

Am I 'nakedly' attacking anybody differing in opinion with me?  Are these empty heads worth my attack?


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Why is this Kamal guy like this? He is nakedly attacking every one with whom he differs in opinion. He seems to be a worshipper of orientalists. All his evidences come from orientalist sources. 
Instead of attacking me personally he should have done a little research to find why Katzu has opinions as presented in the article. My comment was based on my understanding of what he meant by communalism. I don't have to read Jadunath Sarkar to find that some Muslim rulers destroyed temples, killed innocent non-Muslims, and do on. Everybody knows it. But communal clash between Hindus and Muslims in general seems to be a recent phenomenon. To this has been added Hindu-Sikh and Hindu-Muslim clashes. While clash is the most extreme manifestation of communalism, we see other forms too. Katzu is right that this communalism is a great obstacle to economic progress. 
It is a thought provoking article and should be taken seriously. 
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On Dec 18, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

There was no communalism in India before 1857???!!!  Read Jadu Nath Sarker on the topic.  Communalism was at it's zenith during the Muslim rule.  The Chittorgarh fort alone was burnt thrice, last time by the 'non-communal' Akbar 'the Great'.  Over twelve thousand women had to drink poison and commit suicide in burning pyres.  Have you no sense of shame, if not any sense of history?  How were the Rajputs, Marathis and Sikhs crushed by the Muslim rulers?  In the Sultan period alone, eighty million Hindu heads rolled, countless women were sold as slaves.  Only non communal ruler among the Muslims, I suppose, was King Wazid Ali Shah of Oudh.  Even that was during the British rule.  Had the British not come, your fore fathers would have to chose between losing head or foreskin.

Do yourself a little favor, don a round white cap and never again exhibit your ignorance.  Muktomona forum, I believe, is not for those who have lost their minds.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

AMU does not seem to be a factor as Katzu has said that 80 percent of both Hindus and Muslims have fallen victims to the evil designs of the British rulers. My opinion is that 80 percent is too big a number. It is only a big fraction of the educated people who are proactively communal. Ordinary people are least communal. 
There is nothing wrong in being communal as long as intention is not to favor people of one's own community unjustifiably and harm the members of a perceived rival community without a valid reason. 
The Divide and Rule policy that British adopted to rule India has been pointed to by others also. There was no communalism before 1857---seems to be true to me when I look at all the major communal riots between Hindus and Muslims, Muslims and Sikhs, and Hindus and Sikhs all of which happened over the last 100 years. 

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On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Justice Katzu has delivered a politically correct speech in the environment of Aligar Muslim University.  Only fools would take his speech seriously.  There is not much truth in it.  Communalism existed in India even from ancient times.  The concept of any religion considering itself superior to others is the root of communalism.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


"He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics."

 

British may have fomented communalism in the Indian-subcontinent, but – the torch-bearers of communalism from then on have been our good politicians. I don't blame British so much; they did what they thought Indians will bite, and they did. It worked so well that Indians started to chew thumbs for 200 years, and British started to rule the country even though it was not their initial intent. Therefore, if we want to blame anybody for communalism, we have to blame our politicians; they can't seem to have enough of it.

Justice Markandey Katju is right – those who are real instigators of communalism never get punished. Only the foot soldiers of communalism get punished, not the queen-bees, who trade communalism. In Bangladesh, politicians use communalism for politics. While Awami League uses communalism covertly, BNP uses communalism nakedly; it's a part of BNP political strategy.

How can we ever end communalism, if the queen-bee of communalism controls the power structure?

Jiten Roy

 


--- On Sun, 12/16/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: Who spawned communalism in India?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 6:58 AM


 
  I sincerely believe in this statement which can be applicable to Pakistan and Bangladesh as well:

<< Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."  >>


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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 09:49:05 +0800
Subject: [india-unity] Who spawned communalism in India?

 

British spawned communalism. History books doctored?: Justice Katju

December 15, 2012 by admin   


Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Uttar Pradesh, December 13, 2012: Addressing a huge gathering at the Kennedy Auditorium organized by the Aligarh Muslim University Chapter of the Progressive Writers' Association, the Chairman of the Press Council of India, Justice (Retd.) Markandey Katju asserted that in 1857, there was almost zero percent communalism in the country while today 80% of both Hindus and Muslims had fallen prey to the devil's designs.
Quoting extensively from historical documents, Katju said, "There is a plethora of documentary evidence available including correspondence between different Viceroys and British government, which makes it clear that history books were deliberately doctored by the British rulers to spawn communalism in India."
Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."
He added that it might take a few decades for the people to grasp the full reality of the roots of Hindu-Muslim conflict which was engineered by the British as a deliberate state policy for maintaining the British hold over India.
Making a point, Justice Katju declared that the real tragedy was that while the British sowed the seeds of discords in hearts and minds of the people, after independence agent provocateurs were continuing this nefarious policy. He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics.
Referring to the ongoing battle against terror in the Indian Subcontinent, Katju said that there was ample evidence to suggest that whenever incidents of terror took place in India, very frequently innocent Muslim youth were randomly picked up by the security forces. This is not only unjust but also helps the actual perpetrators of such heinous crimes from esca





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