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Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge




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-----Original Message-----
From: ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
To: alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 11:35 pm
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Dr Mohsin Ali - A challenge

 
Dear Junaid
 
There is nothing wrong with asking for a free debate. I have only just done it now for the first time after almost 10 years on the forum. Mr Mohsin is a public figure who has spoken many times in public often against those with differing views. I am a novice in comparison. He may well crush me but that's no reason not to have a debate. I am very argumentative and present argument as best as I can. I wish you would do the same. When I first wrote to him I had no idea who he was. But I did know he was used to the cut and thrust of political debate..  
 
My last email was in keeping with the tone of your last email. You could have argued with me. The tone of our exchanges is set by you.
 
I would love to meet you because you intrigue me. I know nothing of your politics or your opinions. All I know about you is that you think I am a smug cretin who talks a lot about things he knows nothing about. And though you object handsomely you reveal nothing about yourself or your politics. I am just informing you how you come across to me. I could be wrong.
 
You are definitely a bigger expert on Bangladesh than me. I just call it as I see it. You have always been free to argue why I am seeing wrongly.
 
I don't know how to have a debate with someone I don't know anything about, personally or politically, on any random subject in front of random people. With Dr Mohsin Ali there are many more sureties.
 
I have a suggestion in the spirit of friendship. When I am in Dhaka in December lets meet for dinner in a restaurant. Just you and me. Or I bring a friend and you bring a friend. We can split the bill or I will pay. I think it could be informative for both of us. What harm can it do to meet over a meal at least once? Life is short and we both care enough about our country to read mails from strangers J
 
I'm sure we won't turn it into a food fight and I promise to be on my best behaviour J
 
Best wishes
 
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" <junaid.sultan@...> wrote:
>
>
> One thing I must appreciate about Mr. Ejazur is his quick response.
>
> I thought that in this forum we try to convince each other to our view
> point by our arguments. Now new dimensions have been added. You can now
> ask for open debates also. Sad! It is not possible for me to visit
> Kuwait. But can we have a debate in Sonargaon (not Sonargaon hotel). I
> am ready to bring any number of people you want, (from any background
> AL, BNP, Jatiaya, Jamaat, Communist, Workers, etc. etc., you name it)
> as long as you pick the bill. I accept all your conditions. I leave it
> you to choose the topic also.
>
> And this is not a joke. I am damn serious. And mind you, I was not
> comparing Dr. Mohsin with Clinton or Obama. To me you are the only
> expert on Bangladesh affairs not Dr. Mohsin.
>
>
>
> Junaid
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> >
> > The joke of the year award is that I and Dr Mohsin Ali may have a
> debate in NY on the politics of Bangladesh? I suggest this does not
> require imagination but a certain 'in the field mentality'.
> >
> > What does require imagination is comparing Dr Mohsin Ali to Clinton or
> Obama :) I would not dare to debate those two brilliant minds.
> >
> > I must appreciate Junaid's light banter. Thanks Junaid. Keep it light.
> Cheers!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "junaid.sultan" junaid.sultan@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wah! Wah! Ghazab kar dia mere dost
> > >
> > > In seems we are in contest for joke of the year award. I must
> appreciate
> > > the person who is challenging. I must appreciate his height of
> > > imagination. I must appreciate fertility of his brain. However, I
> > > don't think that is the end of the story. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama
> > > are in the line also. The gentleman may visit Washington when he is
> > > visiting New York all the way from Kuwait. Mrs. Clinton and Mr.
> Obama,
> > > are you ready for the challenge?
> > >
> > > To person who is seconding this challenge, again I will use my very
> > > little knowledge of Urdu language by saying "Khawaja ka gawah
> > > daddu."
> > >
> > > Keep the good work. You are on right track.
> > >
> > > Junaid
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Friends
> > > >
> > > > The proposition of Mr. Ezazur is not only courageous but also
> timely
> > > since
> > > > the BALIST have made the life of Bangladeshis hell by playing the
> same
> > > > "Bhanga" record on and on thousands of days and on. They are
> trying
> > > their
> > > > best with the connivance of the congenital liars "Gwan Papis" the
> > > so-called
> > > > self declared Jibis to change the original history of our only
> pride
> > > > the great "Mohan mukti Judhdha".
> > > >
> > > > By such distortion of truth/facts the newly born Projonmo started
> > > believing
> > > > that the *" Historic Bhasha Andolon(the Language Movement)* was
> > > conducted
> > > > from Faridpur Jail and the Mohan Mukti Judhdha was directed from
> > > Cantonment
> > > > jail in Larkana, Pakistan by issuing* "CHIRCUT"(???)*.
> > > >
> > > > Ezazur Bhai go ahead all Bangladeshis are with you and the truth.
> But
> > > > brother, I doubt that whether the opponent do possess the courage
> to
> > > accept
> > > > challenge of truth ???????????
> > > >
> > > > Salam and sincere regards.
> > > >
> > > > Faruque Alamgir
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe that Sharmila Bose has questioned the narrative of
> people
> > > like
> > > > > you and Farida Majid and that can only be a good thing. As such
> I am
> > > morally
> > > > > obliged to take her side against blind party loyalists like you
> even
> > > though
> > > > > she could have done a much better job and has made mistakes in
> her
> > > approach.
> > > > > I was not around in 1971 - so I'm confident I'm not a rajakar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lets dance.
> > > > >
> > > > > I shall probably visit NY this summer. I invite you to reserve
> any
> > > venue in
> > > > > Astoria, Woodside, Jamaica etc. Book it for a 100 people
> including
> > > dinner. I
> > > > > will pick up the bill. We will have a frank debate - just you
> and
> > > me. I will
> > > > > come alone but if I can get a local youth organisation to attend
> I
> > > will do
> > > > > so. Please bring your fellow AL doctors, professors, advisors
> and
> > > committee
> > > > > members. I have the following non negotiable conditions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. At least 20 young people over the age of 18 must attend. At
> least
> > > > > 10 must be children of AL committee members. You must introduce
> me
> > > to each
> > > > > one before the discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. We each speak for 2 sessions of 30 minutes each - ie 2 hours
> in
> > > total.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. If I am interrupted by your members you pay me $1,000. And
> vice
> > > versa.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Two subjects: 1) the 3 million dead of 1971 and 2) the
> difference
> > > > > between your politics and my politics.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. You can choose any elder to be the conductor as long as he
> has a
> > > beard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will take any number of questions. There is no winner, just a
> free
> > > > > discussion. You are welcome to bring local Deshi tv. I will also
> > > try. The
> > > > > transcript of the discussion will be edited by a dignitary
> agreed by
> > > both of
> > > > > us in advance of the discussion. The edited transcript will be
> > > available for
> > > > > reproduction without permission from you or me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lets see if you know my real face or if I know your real face.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am waiting for your reply.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > >
> > > > > Kuwait
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. M. Mohsin Ali"
> drmohsinali@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE
> WHICH
> > > IS THE
> > > > > STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION WAR.
> YOU
> > > ARE
> > > > > SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY YOU
> NEVER
> > > LIKED
> > > > > SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS YOUR
> REAL
> > > FACE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of
> Bangladesh
> > > war of
> > > > > 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and the
> > > dominant
> > > > > post war narrative and those who have profited from it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were
> > > exterminated. As
> > > > > proven by the lack of any meaningful effort to measure the
> number of
> > > deaths
> > > > > by successive governments of Bangladesh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of 1971
> is
> > > real and
> > > > > that those who shout about it are those who are fit to govern
> best.
> > > As
> > > > > proven by the behaviour of every successive government.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those who have profited are those who have publicly promoted
> the
> > > myth and
> > > > > privately benefitted with power and money. As proven by the
> > > behaviour of
> > > > > every successive government.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question anything
> > > about 1971
> > > > > because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind, empowers her
> and
> > > her
> > > > > politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they want and
> rule
> > > as they
> > > > > see fit. Screw them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the
> > > ruination of
> > > > > our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges and
> > > export
> > > > > earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better.
> And
> > > as AL and
> > > > > BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self indulgence
> they
> > > ignore
> > > > > the future at the nation's peril.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as they
> do,
> > > the
> > > > > Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs commit
> rape,
> > > murder
> > > > > and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our country keep
> > > quiet.
> > > > > There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are true
> to
> > > their
> > > > > dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the soil
> of
> > > our
> > > > > country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our
> > > people and
> > > > > our beautiful country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just look at the condition of our country! You know why there
> is
> > > no class
> > > > > war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists can't bend
> their
> > > knees?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the
> truth
> > > and may
> > > > > that truth embrace the next generation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > > > > > With words that I should have said.
> > > > > > As I drown in my regrets
> > > > > > I can't take back
> > > > > > the words I never said.
> > > > > > Lupe Fiasco
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid farida_majid@
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.h\
> \
> > > tml
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila Bose in
> Al
> > > > > Jazeera.net :
> > > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the
> > > `dominant
> > > > > narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning:
> > > Memories of
> > > > > the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant to
> bust
> > > the myth
> > > > > of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's spin is
> strung
> > > around
> > > > > a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti fighters upon
> > > non-Bengali
> > > > > collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one denies those cruel
> > > acts of
> > > > > retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly. But by themselves
> those
> > > acts, or
> > > > > her other fieldwork denying widespread rape and murder
> (questioning
> > > the
> > > > > occurrence of any rape by Pakistani soldiers since she could not
> get
> > > figures
> > > > > of exact date, time and place of each sexual assault), have not
> been
> > > able to
> > > > > disprove any of the well-known incidences of crimes against
> humanity
> > > > > committed by an uniformed, fully equipped with modern arms and
> > > ammunition,
> > > > > professionally trained Pakistani army and its Bengali
> collaborators
> > > in 1971.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has
> unearthed
> > > could be
> > > > > presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense against the
> > > charges
> > > > > brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant
> narrative'
> > > the
> > > > > fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her citing
> of
> > > the
> > > > > example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught in
> the
> > > melee
> > > > > of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of 2011, shows
> to
> > > what
> > > > > pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in assessing
> the
> > > overall
> > > > > reality of people's struggle for freedom from oppression. Such
> > > struggles in
> > > > > the annals of history are messy, never picture-book perfect.
> Sarmila
> > > though
> > > > > is unforgiving, and is too mean-spirited to tolerate "freedom
> and
> > > > > democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators."
> She
> > > has to
> > > > > take up the arms of a `scholarly study' to bust the myth!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms Bose's
> > > so-called
> > > > > `research' and report, that genocide did not take place at all
> in
> > > 1971 in
> > > > > the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is all about
> > > partisan
> > > > > exaggeration and no one in the international community but her
> could
> > > detect
> > > > > the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so long
> from
> > > > > mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > > > > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's eighth
> most
> > > > > populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty and
> > > independence
> > > > > as a nation?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for
> independence
> > > from a
> > > > > colonized condition ought to be labeled as having "profited from
> > > > > mythologizing history." And that would include United States of
> > > America.
> > > > > > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and battles
> > > fought in
> > > > > the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all
> > > mythologised
> > > > > history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth that is in
> dire
> > > need of
> > > > > busting!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen. Yahya
> Khan
> > > at a
> > > > > radio interview at the launching of the Operation Searchlight in
> > > March, 1971
> > > > > in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of them, and they
> will
> > > eat out
> > > > > of our hands!" The number â€"3 million â€" is
> immaterial,
> > > though admittedly
> > > > > there is an irresolvable argument that swirls around it. What is
> > > legally
> > > > > relevant here, however, is the clear expression of goal and
> intent
> > > to commit
> > > > > genocide by Pak military apparatus in East Pakistan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of the
> war
> > > crimes
> > > > > of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye witnesses and
> > > personal
> > > > > encounters from among the Pakistani military personnel are
> coming up
> > > with
> > > > > accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman Ali, et al,
> exhibiting
> > > fierce
> > > > > anti-Bengali racism that underscored activities against unarmed,
> > > > > unthreatening civilians. Such activities were regarded as
> > > reprehensive by
> > > > > even the soldiers who carried out the orders because they
> violated
> > > the rules
> > > > > and norms of engagement in warfare. Several books have come out
> over
> > > the
> > > > > years by various Pakistani army personnel including one by the
> > > infamous
> > > > > General Niazi. They are all replete with quotations and records
> of
> > > utter
> > > > > racial contempt for the Bengalis of East Pakistan on the part of
> top
> > > brass
> > > > > military officers in the Pakistani army who wanted at least a
> > > partial
> > > > > destruction of the whole race of Bengalis as a punitive measure
> for
> > > their
> > > > > rebellion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U. N.
> > > Convetion:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment
> of
> > > > > Genocide (For full text click here)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any
> of
> > > the
> > > > > following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
> > > part, a
> > > > > national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > > > > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the
> > > group;
> > > > > > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
> > > calculated
> > > > > to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
> > > > > > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the
> > > group;
> > > > > > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another
> > > group.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (a) Genocide;
> > > > > > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salutes!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


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[ALOCHONA] India's unwanted girls



India's unwanted girls

ndia's 2011 census shows a serious decline in the number of girls under the age of seven - activists fear eight million female foetuses may have been aborted in the past decade. The BBC's Geeta Pandey in Delhi explores what has led to this crisis.

Kulwant has three daughters aged 24, 23 and 20 and a son who is 16.

In the years between the birth of her third daughter and her son, Kulwant became pregnant three times.

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Deepali Sah

My mother-in-law said if I had a daughter, my husband would leave me. Thankfully, I had a son."

End Quote Deepali Sah Health worker

Each time, she says, she was forced to abort the foetus by her family after ultrasound tests confirmed that they were girls.

"My mother-in-law taunted me for giving birth to girls. She said her son would divorce me if I didn't bear a son."

Kulwant still has vivid memories of the first abortion. "The baby was nearly five months old. She was beautiful. I miss her, and the others we killed," she says, breaking down, wiping away her tears.


Until her son was born, Kulwant's daily life consisted of beatings and abuse from her husband, mother-in-law and brother-in-law. Once, she says, they even attempted to set her on fire.

"They were angry. They didn't want girls in the family. They wanted boys so they could get fat dowries," she says.


India outlawed dowries in 1961, but the practice remains rampant and the value of dowries is constantly growing, affecting rich and poor alike.

Kulwant's husband died three years after the birth of their son. "It was the curse of the daughters we killed. That's why he died so young," she says.

Common attitude

Girl Power

How girls are valued varies widely across India. Over the years, most states in the south and north-east have been kind to their girls, and sex ratios are above the national average.

In the matrilineal societies of Kerala and Karnataka in the south and Meghalaya in the north-east, women have enjoyed high status and commanded respect. But the latest census figures show the good news even in these areas could be turning bad. A minor decline in the number of girls has begun in the three states which, campaigners worry, might be indicative of a trend.


What is seen as most distressing is the steep decline in the number of girls under seven in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh and in Sikkim, Nagaland, Manipur and Tripura in the north-east. Even though these states have registered numbers much higher than the national average, the decline is too substantial to ignore.

But all is not lost. Some states, such as Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh - which saw the gap between numbers of boys and girls widen in 2001 - have shown an improvement. That is cause for some cheer, campaigners say.

Her neighbour Rekha is mother of a chubby three-year-old girl.

Last September, when she became pregnant again, her mother-in-law forced her to undergo an abortion after an ultrasound showed that she was pregnant with twin girls.

"I said there's no difference between girls and boys. But here they think differently. There's no happiness when a girl is born. They say the son will carry forward our lineage, but the daughter will get married and go off to another family."Kulwant and Rekha live in Sagarpur, a lower middle-class area in south-west Delhi.Here, narrow minds live in homes separated by narrow lanes.


The women's story is common and repeated in millions of homes across India, and it has been getting worse.In 1961, for every 1,000 boys under the age of seven, there were 976 girls. Today, the figure has dropped to a dismal 914 girls.


Although the number of women overall is improving (due to factors such as life expectancy), India's ratio of young girls to boys is one of the worst in the world after China.

Many factors come into play to explain this: infanticide, abuse and neglect of girl children.

But campaigners say the decline is largely due to the increased availability of antenatal sex screening, and they talk of a genocide.

Graphic of girls in India

The government has been forced to admit that its strategy has failed to put an end to female foeticide.

'National shame'

"Whatever measures have been put in over the past 40 years have not had any impact on the child sex ratio," Home Secretary GK Pillai said when the census report was released.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described female foeticide and infanticide as a "national shame" and called for a "crusade" to save girl babies.

But Sabu George, India's best-known campaigner on the issue, says the government has so far shown little determination to stop the practices.

File photo of schoolchildren at a rally against female foeticide in Delhi Campaigners say India's strategy to protect female babies is not working

Until 30 years ago, he says, India's sex ratio was "reasonable". Then in 1974, Delhi's prestigious All India Institute of Medical Sciences came out with a study which said sex-determination tests were a boon for Indian women.

It said they no longer needed to produce endless children to have the right number of sons, and it encouraged the determination and elimination of female foetuses as an effective tool of population control.

"By late 80s, every newspaper in Delhi was advertising for ultrasound sex determination," said Mr George.

"Clinics from Punjab were boasting that they had 10 years' experience in eliminating girl children and inviting parents to come to them."

In 1994, the Pre-Natal Determination Test (PNDT) Act outlawed sex-selective abortion. In 2004, it was amended to include gender selection even at the pre-conception stage.

Abortion is generally legal up to 12 weeks' gestation. Sex can be determined by a scan from about 14 weeks.

"What is needed is a strict implementation of the law," says Varsha Joshi, director of census operations for Delhi. "I find there's absolutely no will on the part of the government to stop this."

Today, there are 40,000 registered ultrasound clinics in the country, and many more exist without any record.

'Really sad'

Ms Joshi, a former district commissioner of south-west Delhi, says there are dozens of ultrasound clinics in the area. It has the worst child sex ratio in the capital - 836 girls under seven for every 1,000 boys.

"Start Quote

Varsha Joshi

Something's really wrong here and something has to be done to put things right"

End Quote Varsha Joshi Delhi census chief

Delhi's overall ratio is not much better at 866 girls under seven for every 1,000 boys.

"It's really sad. We are the capital of the country and we have such a poor ratio," Ms Joshi says.

The south-west district shares its boundary with Punjab and Haryana, the two Indian states with the worst sex ratios.

Since the last census, Punjab and Haryana have shown a slight improvement. But Delhi has registered a decline.

"Something's really wrong here and something has to be done to put things right," Ms Joshi says.

Almost all the ultrasound clinics in the area have the mandatory board outside, proclaiming that they do not carry out illegal sex-determination tests.

But the women in Sagarpur say most people here know where to go when they need an ultrasound or an abortion.

They say anyone who wants to get a foetal ultrasound done, gets it done. In the five-star clinics of south Delhi it costs 10,000-plus rupees ($222; £135), In the remote peripheral areas of Delhi's border, it costs a few hundred rupees.

Similarly, the costs vary for those wanting an illegal abortion.

Delhi is not alone in its anti-girl bias. Sex ratios have declined in 17 states in the past decade, with the biggest falls registered in Jammu and Kashmir.

Ms Joshi says most offenders are members of the growing middle-class and affluent Indians - they are aware that the technology exists and have the means to pay to find out the sex of their baby and abort if they choose.

"We have to take effective steps to control the promotion of sex determination by the medical community. And file cases against doctors who do it," Mr George says.

"Otherwise by 2021, we are frightened to think what it will be like."

Graphic of sex ratios across India

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[ALOCHONA] CIA created own Taliban to wreak terror havoc on Pakistan

Oh sure, sure. Your Paki Army is saintly. Its not killing Non Punjabi Pakistanis through Taliban in Pakistan. USA is against Non Punjabis of Pakistan, right?
Pak Army is not trying to give an impression that Taliban are out of control and if USA and the West do not keep giving Charity of Aid and Loans, Taliban would take over Nukes and blow up the whole West. No, no the Beggar Pak Army is saintly. It could not be blackmailing the West plus backstabbing them in Afghanistan.
Who the hell are you trying to fool?
--------


--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Isha Khan <bdmailer@...> wrote:
>
> CIA has created own Taliban to wreak terror havoc on Pakistan, claims Pak
> paper
>
> Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives have infiltrated the Taliban
> and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan
> (TTP) force in order to destabilise Pakistan, a Pakistani newspaper has
> claimed.
>
> Much of the information-gathering network of Pakistan's supreme security
> service was curtailed in the country's tribal areas during former military
> ruler Pervez Musharraf's era, consequently giving an edge to America's CIA,
> The Nation reported.
>
> The CIA was given direct access to the entire territory of North and South
> Waziristan, which has since developed its stronghold in the belt, it added.
>
> According to sources, the CIA's operations, which were suspended in
> Balochistan, Punjab, Islamabad and other areas of the country after the
> Raymond Allen Davis (RAD) incident, have also been restored.
>
> Responding to a query, the sources said that the CIA operatives have
> infiltrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own
> TTP force, the paper said.
>
> This force has been recruited, trained and equipped by these CIA operatives
> to target the Pakistan Army personnel, armed forces' installations, markets,
> hospitals, schools and public places to destabilise Pakistan, the paper
> added.
>
> The paper quoted the sources, as claiming that the Soviet Intelligence
> Agency had already disclosed that CIA contractor Raymond Davis and his
> network had provided Al-Qaeda operatives with chemical, nuclear and
> biological weapons, so that US installations may be targeted and Pakistan be
> blamed, and pressed to do more in areas such as conducting operations in
> North Waziristan.
>
> "After the civil government justified the CIA operation in Abbottabad all of
> them have again indulged in their original nefarious activities," the
> sources added.
>
> Former ISI Punjab Regional Commander, Brigadier (retired) Aslam Ghuman, was
> quoted as saying: "During my visit to the US, I learnt Israeli spy agency
> Mossad, in connivance with Indian agency RAW, under the direct supervision
> of CIA, planned to destabilise Pakistan at any cost".
>
> The paper also quoted former Punjab Military Intelligence (MI) chief,
> Brigadier (retired) Mohammad Yousuf, as saying that over 7,000 CIA
> operatives have been conducting warfare within Pakistan.
>
> "Days after the mystery of 9/11, the CIA operatives landed in Pakistan in
> order to train Pakistani troops and authorities concerned for counter
> terrorism, but with the passage of time, their demands increased, and now
> the CIA network has a strong grip," said another ex- ISI Punjab Regional
> Commander, Brigadier (retired) Ghazanfar. (ANI)
> http://my.news.yahoo.com/cia-created-own-taliban-wreak-terror-havoc-pakistan-091621821.html
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[ALOCHONA] FW: Rising Literacy and a Shrinking Birth Rate



             I would like to remind readers of Amartya Sen's recent piece where he compared India with China, and then went on to give some telling figures where India fell behind Bangladesh in matters of rising female literacy and shrinking birth rate.
 
                  Farida Majid
 



Subject: Rising Literacy and a Shrinking Birth Rate

 
"SPIEGEL: Monsieur Todd, in the middle of the Cold War, in the days of Leonid Brezhnev, you predicted the collapse of the Soviet system. In 2002, you described the economic and imperial erosion of the United States, a global superpower. And, four years ago, you and your colleague Youssef Courbage predicted the unavoidable revolution in the Arab world. Are you clairvoyant?"

 

Rising Literacy and a Shrinking Birth Rate

A Look at the Root Causes of the Arab Revolution





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If anyone wants to play "The game" they pay for it. No big deal. Robi is not forcing anyone to take part in it. You can watch the contest free on TV.



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[ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of Bangladesh war of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net



Dear Ejazur

Thanks for your quote of Gen. Mushraf during his visit to Dhaka. I did remember it vaguely but not fully. I totally agree that this is not apology. But may I ask you what was the reaction of the then Government of Bangladesh? Hope you have not forgotten it but you did not mention it.

Mr.Ejazur, I do believe no proper investigation was conducted by the immediate Government after liberation of the country but if that Government failed to do so was not it the responsibility of the subsequent Governments? Why whenever there is demand of war criminal, a certain quarter always try to dilute the issue by questioning the no. of people killed? It is good that you mentioned that it is 2011. Man those crimes were committed in 1971, 40 years ago. If you would have appreciated the facts you would have not said," In 2011 we seek only that half a dozen collaborators are hanged". I am aware that you know history very well. Do you remember when trial of Nuremberg started and how long it continued?

I agree with you that we are a nation of world class excuse makers. You further said that you are from Sylhet and perhaps you should start looking for mass graves there. I know for sure when someone shall ask you to do it you make an excuse.

Mr. Ejazur it is human nature that when we run out of arguments we start throwing challenges. You did the same thing. And what is the result? You and your compatriots tried to make mountain out of a mole hole. You made a big fuss out of it just by playing with the words. But when one alochok made a counter challenge, you acted like a tamed cat.

If you knew the history well you would have not commented," How do you have 3 million killed and then release ALL the killers in return for recognition by Pakistan?! Because India or the Saudis required it?" Do you have any idea how many Bengalis were stranded in Pakistan at that time? Not only military but civilians also. What was the treatment to them, when asked for, they opted for Bangladesh? Even the civilian head of families were taken to concentration camps leaving back their families to pull along on their own. To educate you more on this subject, Pakistan agreed to release the stranded Bengalis only after the Simla pact. To the best of my knowledge (I may be wrong), Pakistan recognized Bangladesh much later and Saudi Arabia recognized Bangladesh after 1975.

With best regards

Shafiq

--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Shafiq
>
>
>
> No regets needed – we are all busy. Damned modern life!
>
>
>
> Here is Musharraf on a visit to Dhaka in July 2002:
>
> "Your brothers and sisters in Pakistan share the pains of the events of
> 1971. The excesses committed during the unfortunate period are
> regrettable," Musharraf said at the banquet on Monday night.
>
> "Let us bury the past in the spirit of magnanimity. Let not the light of
> the future be dimmed. Let us move forward together," Musharraf said,
> adding that 'courage to compromise is greater than to confront'.
>
> This is no apology by any definition at any level. It is fuzzy wuzzy
> language used everyday by our political classes to justify the failures
> of their preferred political party. Genocide and mass rape cannot be
> regrettable excesses to be simply buried. He dared to say so because he
> was speaking personally and not at a State level, because his host was
> the poor foreign minister Morshed Khan, and because he does not take
> Bangladesh's numbers seriously.
>
>
>
> Certainly Sheikh Mujib had his hands full after 1971. But he is
> nevertheless accountable for what happened on his watch. Even now, when
> our Prime Minister, as Defence Minister, fails to surround the BDR Camp,
> we forgive her because apparently she `did her best'. Well we
> are a very understanding lot it seems J
>
>
>
> We claim that in 1971 3 million of our country men were killed and
> 400,000 raped. Since 1971:
>
>
>
> 1. No state level investigation into the murders and rapes
> 2. No international inquiry into the murders and rapes
> 3. In 2011 we seek only that half a dozen collaborators are hanged
> 4. No effort to name the dead as much as is possible
> 5. No effort to identify the bodies as much as is possible
> 6. No effort to locate the mass graves as much as possible
> 7. All Pakistani POWs released without trial after killing 3 millions
> 8. No state level agenda for apologies or reparations from Pakistan
> 9. No inquiry by India on the number of Bengali refugees who died
> 10. No investigation into whether the number 3 lac was translated into
> 3 million
> 11. No improvement in social attitudes towards rape victims in the 4
> decades since
> 12. Blah blah blah
>
>
>
> And now in 2011 we have only the silent tears of those who lost loved
> ones and a lot of sentimental songs. And the use of the numbers as
> landmarks in our rotten political narrative.
>
>
>
> How do you have 3 million killed and then release ALL the killers in
> return for recognition by Pakistan?! Because India or the Saudis
> required it?! What country does not look for the mass graves of 3
> million murdered people? Is it pointless? Or is it because the vast
> majority of our dead are poor people whom no one in power ever really
> missed? We tend to make a great fuss about our educated martyrs and the
> odd symbolic member of the lower classes.
>
>
>
> We are a nation of world class excuse makers.
>
>
>
> Nobody gives a crap what Bangladesh's official position is on the
> number. The Indians don't comment and the Pakistani's are
> incredulous. Sigh.
>
>
>
> Imran Khan has done a better job than us of demanding Pakistan
> apologises properly to Bangladesh!
>
>
>
> We are better than this. And our martyrs deserve better than a monument
> and a bunch of songs.
>
>
>
> I am from Sylhet. Perhaps I should start looking for mass graves there.
> I could ask my local MP to help but I suspect he's busy trying to
> get a banking licence J
>
>
>
> Please do write when you can.
>
>
>
> My best wishes to you.
>
>
>
> Ezajur Rahman
>
> Kuwait
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, shafiq013@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Ejazur
> >
> > I regret for a late response
> >
> > I believe in your admission and I also agree with you that not enough
> > was done to seek apologies from Pakistan by any Government of
> > Bangladesh, present or past.
> >
> > General Parvaiz Musharraf said something on the subject and it may be
> > close to apology but that was not enough. We ask for and we expect a
> > full fledge apology for all the atrocities, irrespective of different
> > estimations.
> >
> > I again agree with you that a formal estimation could have and should
> > have been done by the then immediate Government. Hey! I am not
> defending
> > anybody but may be the then Government had lot of other problems for a
> > war ravaged country. Government priorities did change after the 1975
> > changeover. Today, it will be very unfortunate if AL (or for that
> matter
> > BNP) uses these figures for petty personal or political gains. As
> > regretfully, no census was done immediately after 1971, the official
> > Bangladesh stand remains for 3 million dead.
> >
> > I wish I could touch other points you raised in your posting like
> > corruption etc., but I should leave it for some other time and
> > opportunity.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Shafiq
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Shafiq
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No, I am not trying to undermine a crime against humanity. I have
> > > already called the murders of 1971 a crime against humanity and
> > > genocide. I would have to be a cannibal to side with willful mass
> > murder
> > > and rape. I hope you do not think of me so poorly - I could never
> > assume
> > > such a thing about you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I do not care for what the Pakistanis think as they were the
> > aggressors.
> > > I hardly ever mention that country. Of course they cover up even
> their
> > > own estimate of the true numbers. The number of 28,000 killed in The
> > > Hamoodur Report must be most grossly understated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But our victims deserve reparations, admission and apologies from
> > > Pakistan. Why should Pakistan get away with it just because we
> cannot
> > > demand or present our case properly?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I ask because I don't know what the correct figure is and because
> > > the number has been made sacred by the very same people (BNP and AL)
> > who
> > > have brought our country to its current condition. And I don't
> > > believe them. And I don't buy it when those who are the most senior
> > > defenders of this number defend it only with a calculator and
> > simplistic
> > > assumptions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I apologise for using the word exaggeration as it offends you. It
> was
> > > not my intention. But the political classes of my country are prone
> to
> > > exaggeration, sometimes out of sentimentality (I am one of them
> too!)
> > > and sometimes for political gain (unforgiveable).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Come on Shafiq. Let us not pick on the limitations of mere words.
> What
> > > do you think we get our facts right on? The environment? The
> > population?
> > > The stock market manipulators? The BDR tragedy? Smuggling? Black
> > money?
> > > The deals that our politicians have made? The deals our businessmen
> > > make? The deals our Army makes? Corruption?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The electorate does not get the facts.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is not enough, for me at least, that a Pakistani soldier, however
> > > honest, said this and that a UN report, informed by any of our
> > > governments, said that. What about my country? Why can't my country
> > > get even this most important subject right?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am facing a lot of abuse (not from you) but that's okay. I'm
> > > nobody and I can easily be ignored. But I think the next generation
> > > must, and will, question everything. If they do then we stand a
> > fighting
> > > chance of building the nation that so many gave their lives for in
> > 1971.
> > > God knows those who followed them have made an almighty mess of it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is more about us and the way we conduct ourselves than about
> the
> > > Pakistanis. Just because we hate the Pakistanis does not mean that
> we
> > > cannot establish, with the best of our efforts, a formal estimate of
> > the
> > > number of our countrymen murdered in 1971. But we are simply happy
> > that
> > > Time and Newsweek gave some estimates. The best estimate may turn
> out
> > to
> > > be 5 millions. And it may turn out to be 1 million (personally, I
> > > don't think it can be less). We should be serious about the number
> > > of our dead.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Life has always been cheap in our country. The truth has always been
> > > manipulated. We should try to change that. Let's count our dead.
> > > Everybody else tries.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You see Shafiq, sometimes no matter what we say, people see what
> they
> > > want to see. I'm sure I am guilty of the same sometimes. I am not a
> > > freak of nature (you did not say it, I am saying it). My opinions
> and
> > my
> > > politics are fuelled by the people I meet everyday, of every age and
> > > class. I find disagreement only with those who are locked into a
> > > political party – be it BNP, AL, JP or JI. And, in my life
> > > experience, such locked people are in the vocal minority – not
> the
> > > silent majority.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have no reason to think I am better informed or even of sounder
> mind
> > > than you. But if I differ with anyone it is only, in essence,
> because
> > > they are not protesting against our politics. Perhaps they do and I
> > > could be wrong in a particular case. But I have found people choose
> to
> > > be silent regarding their party no matter how bad things might be.
> > > That's why there is no meaningful reform in the country.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I often choose to be obnoxious because I find the silence of those
> who
> > > are better informed and better placed than me to be obnoxious. Its
> > good
> > > to hear their voice, no matter how hostile.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have written to you sincerely. Even though we may continue to
> differ
> > I
> > > hope you will consider my failings to be those of a sincere man.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ezajur Rahman
> > >
> > > Kuwait
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, shafiq013@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are still trying to undermine the crime committed against
> > > humanity.
> > > > The 3 million figures is an estimate and are not only mentioned in
> > > some
> > > > UN reports but even in some Pakistani reports. You call it an
> > > > exaggeration absolutely like the official Pakistani stand.
> > > >
> > > > Knowing Pakistani mentality, there is no reason to believe this
> > > > "exaggerated figure" being the reason for no reparations or
> > > > apologies from Pakistan. Let them apologies even for 28 thousands,
> > > they
> > > > estimate were killed per Hamoodur Rahman commission report. Again,
> > > this
> > > > also is an estimate only. Do you believe this being the correct
> > > figure?
> > > >
> > > > And why you believe that 3 million figure is exaggerated like the
> > > > official Pakistani stand? Then what is the correct figure?
> > > >
> > > > It was nice to know that we never get our facts right on anything.
> > > What
> > > > it is? News or your desire
> > > > Shafiq
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why the number 3 million is important is that this
> > number
> > > > is symbolic of our societal and politcal failures. If we can lie
> > about
> > > > this number we can lie about anything. A nation that exaggerates
> its
> > > > dead for political gain and dramatic effect, and does not count
> its
> > > > dead, is doomed to rotteness.
> > > > >
> > > > > And are we in a rotten condition or not?
> > > > >
> > > > > Many good people are sleeping or have given up hope or have been
> > > > beaten into submission. If yelling about this 3 million annoys
> them
> > > > enough to make them yell back - then thats just fine!
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact is that there were crimes against humanity. Of course
> > this
> > > is
> > > > true. The fact also is that the exaggeration of those crimes
> > actually
> > > > diminshes the crimes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is why we have no reparations or apologies from Pakistan.
> > > > >
> > > > > We never get our facts right on anything.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, shafiq013@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What a logic. You said "There was killing by Pakistani army as
> > > they
> > > > > > were tried to protect Pakistan and that's fact." Gentleman,
> Can
> > > you
> > > > > > explain why women were raped? Which Pakistan they were trying
> to
> > > > protect
> > > > > > by raping women? Why there was loot and arson? Was this
> another
> > > > attempt
> > > > > > to protect Pakistan? Yes, we killed Urdu speaker after the war
> > and
> > > > > > that's a fact. But if you were old enough to see the war in
> > 1971,
> > > > you
> > > > > > should be able to answer why. The story of the Balouch
> Pakistani
> > > > soldier
> > > > > > is just a story. Even at present there are not many Balouchs
> in
> > > > Pakistan
> > > > > > Army not to talk about in 1971. Yes, there was a Balouch
> > regiment
> > > > but
> > > > > > was occupied by Punjabis mostly. And Ziaur Rahman was not
> > setting
> > > up
> > > > the
> > > > > > radio at Kalurghat in the middle of war. And above everything,
> a
> > > > single
> > > > > > soldier cannot help you in this situation like this even if he
> > > wants
> > > > to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The famous Hamoodur Rahamn commission said around 28-30
> thousand
> > > > > > Bengalis were killed. The official Bangladeshi stand is that 3
> > > > million
> > > > > > Bengalis were killed. The fact is that there were crimes
> against
> > > > > > humanity. Don't try to exploit the number of people killed to
> > > dilute
> > > > > > the issue. The biggest truth of 1971 is 16th December. Nothing
> > > less
> > > > > > nothing more. Sorry you did not like it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shafiq
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course the Pakistanis committed massacres - enough for
> the
> > > word
> > > > > > genocide to be used. And they killed many more Bengalis than
> > vice
> > > > versa.
> > > > > > The issues are:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Were 3 million Bengalis killed?
> > > > > > > 2. How has this number been exploited by polictians?
> > > > > > > 3. What have the lies about 1971 - by BNP and AL - cost our
> > > > country
> > > > > > since 1971?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Jamil Ahmed jamil_dhaka@
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was old enough to see the war in 1971. There was killing
> > by
> > > > > > Pakistani army as they were tried to protect Pakistan and
> that's
> > > > fact.
> > > > > > We killed Urdu speaker after the war and that's a fact. In a
> > war,
> > > > it's
> > > > > > the general people who gives a lot of sacrifice.There
> story
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > never told. Just to add one fact that I had seen is that in
> the
> > > > middle
> > > > > > of war as Ziaur Rahman was setting up the radio at Kalur ghat
> > and
> > > > > > Pakistani army took over our area. Obviously we all are
> shaken,
> > > one
> > > > > > Pakistani solder told us not to be afraid, and added that he
> is
> > a
> > > > > > baluch. I am sure there is lotof stories like that and those
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > > covered by weight of atrocities of other Pak solders.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, Dr. M. Mohsin Ali drmohsinali@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Dr. M. Mohsin Ali drmohsinali@
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] A response to Myth-busting of
> Bangladesh
> > > war
> > > > of
> > > > > > 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 12:58 PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SO, MR. EZAJUR, YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF MS. SHARMILA BOSE
> > > WHICH
> > > > IS
> > > > > > THE STORY OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY ABOUT OUR GREAT LIBERATION
> > > WAR.
> > > > YOU
> > > > > > ARE SIGNING WITH THE PAKISTANIS AND THE RAZAKARS. THAT'S WHY
> YOU
> > > > NEVER
> > > > > > LIKED SHEIKH MUJIB AS HE BROKE YOUR BELAOVED PAKISTAN. THAT IS
> > > YOUR
> > > > REAL
> > > > > > FACE.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/14/11, ezajur Ezajur@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: ezajur Ezajur@
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: A response to Myth-busting of
> > > Bangladesh
> > > > war
> > > > > > of 1971 by Sarmila Bose in english.aljazeera.net
> > > > > > > > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 10:25 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sarmila Bose has made a stand against the myth of 1971 and
> > the
> > > > > > dominant post war narrative and those who have profited from
> it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The myth of 1971 is that 3 million people Bengalis were
> > > > > > exterminated. As proven by the lack of any meaningful effort
> to
> > > > measure
> > > > > > the number of deaths by successive governments of Bangladesh.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The dominant narrative of 1971 has been that the myth of
> > 1971
> > > is
> > > > > > real and that those who shout about it are those who are fit
> to
> > > > govern
> > > > > > best. As proven by the behaviour of every successive
> government.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Those who have profited are those who have publicly
> promoted
> > > the
> > > > > > myth and privately benefitted with power and money. As proven
> by
> > > the
> > > > > > behaviour of every successive government.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What Farida cannot abide is that anyone can question
> > anything
> > > > about
> > > > > > 1971 because it is the myth of 1971 that, in her mind,
> empowers
> > > her
> > > > and
> > > > > > her politics, to focus on what they want, ignore what they
> want
> > > and
> > > > rule
> > > > > > as they see fit. Screw them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The creation of the myth of 1971 was the first step in the
> > > > ruination
> > > > > > of our country. We have been on our knees ever since. Bridges
> > and
> > > > export
> > > > > > earnings cannot measure our people. Our people deserve better.
> > And
> > > > as AL
> > > > > > and BNP and Jammat relish the orgy of their gross self
> > indulgence
> > > > they
> > > > > > ignore the future at the nation's peril.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If BNP of JI thugs commit rape, murder and extortion, as
> > they
> > > > do,
> > > > > > the Farida Majids of our country will protest. If AL thugs
> > commit
> > > > rape,
> > > > > > murder and extortion, as they do, the Farida Majids of our
> > country
> > > > keep
> > > > > > quiet. There are Farida Majids in BNP and JI.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Screw all these bloody hypocrites. They believe they are
> > true
> > > to
> > > > > > their dead leader, their dead father and their dead values.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They, and the rest of us, will soon enough return to the
> > soil
> > > of
> > > > our
> > > > > > country, in which lies buried the truth and best spirit of our
> > > > people
> > > > > > and our beautiful country.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just look at the condition of our country! You know why
> > there
> > > is
> > > > no
> > > > > > class war in Bangladesh? You know know why our guitarists
> can't
> > > bend
> > > > > > their knees?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > May our soil accept our flesh and bones as payment for the
> > > truth
> > > > and
> > > > > > may that truth embrace the next generation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To all hypocrites - ££££ you!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its so loud, inside in my head
> > > > > > > > With words that I should have said.
> > > > > > > > As I drown in my regrets
> > > > > > > > I can't take back
> > > > > > > > the words I never said.
> > > > > > > > Lupe Fiasco
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid
> > <farida_majid@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.h\
> \
> > \
> > > \
> > > > \
> > > > > > tml
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bangladesh war of 1971 Myth-busting Piece by Sarmila
> Bose
> > in
> > > > Al
> > > > > > Jazeera.net :
> > > > > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here we have Sarmila Bose whining on and on against the
> > > > `dominant
> > > > > > narrative' and pushing her insubstantial book, Dead Reckoning:
> > > > Memories
> > > > > > of the 1971 Bangladesh War, as a scholarly work that is meant
> to
> > > > bust
> > > > > > the myth of Bangladesh war of independence in 1971. Her book's
> > > spin
> > > > is
> > > > > > strung around a few instances of atrocities committed by Mukti
> > > > fighters
> > > > > > upon non-Bengali collaborators of Pakistan at the time. No one
> > > > denies
> > > > > > those cruel acts of retaliation. All wars are cruel and ugly.
> > But
> > > by
> > > > > > themselves those acts, or her other fieldwork denying
> widespread
> > > > rape
> > > > > > and murder (questioning the occurrence of any rape by
> Pakistani
> > > > soldiers
> > > > > > since she could not get figures of exact date, time and place
> of
> > > > each
> > > > > > sexual assault), have not been able to disprove any of the
> > > > well-known
> > > > > > incidences of crimes against humanity committed by an
> uniformed,
> > > > fully
> > > > > > equipped with modern arms and ammunition, professionally
> trained
> > > > > > Pakistani army and its Bengali collaborators in 1971. I
> > > > > > > > doubt whether any of the `uncomfortable truth' she has
> > > unearthed
> > > > > > could be presented at a War Crimes Tribunal as legal defense
> > > against
> > > > the
> > > > > > charges brought by the Prosecution at such a Tribunal.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The harder Sarmila Bose whines about the `dominant
> > > narrative'
> > > > the
> > > > > > fuzzier gets her rationale for wanting to debunk it. Her
> citing
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > example of Lara Logan, the CBS correspondent haplessly caught
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > melee of Tahrir Square in Cairo in the spring uprising of
> 2011,
> > > > shows to
> > > > > > what pathetic extent Bose lacks sympathy and imagination in
> > > > assessing
> > > > > > the overall reality of people's struggle for freedom from
> > > > oppression.
> > > > > > Such struggles in the annals of history are messy, never
> > > > picture-book
> > > > > > perfect. Sarmila though is unforgiving, and is too
> mean-spirited
> > > to
> > > > > > tolerate "freedom and democracy-loving people rising up
> against
> > > > > > oppressive dictators." She has to take up the arms of a
> > `scholarly
> > > > > > study' to bust the myth!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What is the 'myth' that she is so anxious to bust?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is genocide in Bangladesh, 1971, a myth?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If it is a myth then are we to understand, after Ms
> Bose's
> > > > > > so-called `research' and report, that genocide did not take
> > place
> > > at
> > > > all
> > > > > > in 1971 in the then East Pakistan? The "dominant narrative" is
> > all
> > > > about
> > > > > > partisan exaggeration and no one in the international
> community
> > > but
> > > > her
> > > > > > could detect the "uncomfortable truth" in all these 40 years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Who does she mean by those "who have profited for so
> long
> > > from
> > > > > > mythologising the history of 1971"?
> > > > > > > > > Does she mean the people of Bangladesh, the world's
> eighth
> > > > most
> > > > > > populous nation? Does `profit' mean gaining the sovereignty
> and
> > > > > > independence as a nation?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If so, then all nations who have had to fight for
> > > independence
> > > > > > from a colonized condition ought to be labeled as having
> > "profited
> > > > from
> > > > > > mythologizing history." And that would include United States
> of
> > > > America.
> > > > > > > > > Go tell an American that the chronicles of wars and
> > battles
> > > > fought
> > > > > > in the American War of Independence during 1775-1783 are all
> > > > > > mythologised history, and hence a `dominant narrative', a myth
> > > that
> > > > is
> > > > > > in dire need of busting!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us remind ourselves of the announcement of Gen.
> Yahya
> > > Khan
> > > > at
> > > > > > a radio interview at the launching of the Operation
> Searchlight
> > in
> > > > > > March, 1971 in East Pakistan: "We will kill three million of
> > them,
> > > > and
> > > > > > they will eat out of our hands!" The number â€"3 million
> > > â€"
> > > > is
> > > > > > immaterial, though admittedly there is an irresolvable
> argument
> > > that
> > > > > > swirls around it. What is legally relevant here, however, is
> the
> > > > clear
> > > > > > expression of goal and intent to commit genocide by Pak
> military
> > > > > > apparatus in East Pakistan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > New evidences are emerging, not just from the victims of
> > the
> > > > war
> > > > > > crimes of 1971, but from the perpetrators themselves. Eye
> > > witnesses
> > > > and
> > > > > > personal encounters from among the Pakistani military
> personnel
> > > are
> > > > > > coming up with accounts of General Niazi, General Rao Farman
> > Ali,
> > > et
> > > > al,
> > > > > > exhibiting fierce anti-Bengali racism that underscored
> > activities
> > > > > > against unarmed, unthreatening civilians. Such activities were
> > > > regarded
> > > > > > as reprehensive by even the soldiers who carried out the
> orders
> > > > because
> > > > > > they violated the rules and norms of engagement in warfare.
> > > Several
> > > > > > books have come out over the years by various Pakistani army
> > > > personnel
> > > > > > including one by the infamous General Niazi. They are all
> > replete
> > > > with
> > > > > > quotations and records of utter racial contempt for the
> Bengalis
> > > of
> > > > East
> > > > > > Pakistan on the part of top brass military officers in the
> > > Pakistani
> > > > > > army who wanted at least a partial destruction of the whole
> race
> > > of
> > > > > > Bengalis as a punitive measure for their rebellion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We can then proceed to take a peek at the following U.
> N.
> > > > > > Convetion:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and
> > Punishment
> > > > of
> > > > > > Genocide (For full text click here)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means
> any
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or
> in
> > > > part, a
> > > > > > national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (a) Killing members of the group;
> > > > > > > > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of
> > the
> > > > group;
> > > > > > > > > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of
> > life
> > > > > > calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or
> > in
> > > > part;
> > > > > > > > > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within
> > the
> > > > group;
> > > > > > > > > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to
> another
> > > > group.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (a) Genocide;
> > > > > > > > > (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > > > (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > > > (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
> > > > > > > > > (e) Complicity in genocide. "
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us all work for peace as best as each of us can.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Salutes!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


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