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Friday, November 28, 2014

[mukto-mona] দেশী ও বিদেশী ষড়যন্ত্রকারী তথা এশিয়া এনার্জি থেকে এলিয়াটিক সোসাইটি গোটা দেশবাসীর জিম্মি করে রেখেছে।





দিনাজপুরের ফুলবাড়ীতে এশিয়া এনার্জির বাংলাদেশ প্রতিনিধি গ্যারি এন লাইয়ের ষড়যন্ত্রমূলক সফর এবং গোপন বৈঠকের ঘটনায় গত ইয়াওমুছ ছুলাছা বা মঙ্গলবার ক্ষুব্ধ জনতা ফুলবাড়ীর এশিয়া এনার্জি অফিস এবং তাদের তিনটি গাড়ি ভাঙচুর করেছে। গত পরশু পত্রিকায় তা ফলাও করে ছাপা হয়েছে।
ফুলবাড়ী কয়লাখনি প্রকল্প বাস্তবায়নকারী সংস্থা এশিয়া এনার্জি। প্রস্তাবিত এই প্রকল্পে উন্মুক্ত পদ্ধতিতে কয়লা উত্তোলনের বিরোধিতা করে ওই এলাকায় আন্দোলন গড়ে উঠে। ২০০৬ সালের ২৬ আগস্ট খনিবিরোধী আন্দোলনকারীদের মিছিলে আইন-শৃঙ্খলা রক্ষাকারী বাহিনী গুলি চালালে তিন কিশোর নিহত হয়। আহত হয় হাজারেরও বেশি লোক। 
প্রসঙ্গত, ২০০৬ সালে রক্তাক্ত ওই ঘটনার পর খনির কাজ বন্ধ হয়ে যায়। সে সময়ই ফুলবাড়ী থেকে এশিয়া এনার্জির কার্যক্রম গুটিয়ে নেয়ার বিষয়টি চূড়ান্ত হয়। তবে আট বছর পর গ্যারি এন লাইয়ের গোপন সফরে আবারো উত্তেজিত হয়ে উঠে স্থানীয় জনতা। কারণ এশিয়া এনার্জির তৎকালীন স্বীকৃত তথ্য অনুযায়ীই খনি বাস্তবায়ন করলে পাঁচ হাজার ৯৩৩ হেক্টর জমি ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত হবে। এর মধ্যে কৃষি জমির পরিমাণ চার হাজার ৭৬২ হেক্টর। খনির মেয়াদকালে প্রায় ৪০ হাজার মানুষ ও প্রায় ২০ হাজার স্থাপনা সরাসরি ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত হবে। কিন্তু প্রকৃত ক্ষতি হবে আরো অনেক বেশি।
ওই ঘটনার পর এলাকায় ব্যাপক আন্দোলন গড়ে উঠে। আন্দোলনকারীদের দাবির মুখে এশিয়া এনার্জি এলাকা ছেড়ে যেতে বাধ্য হয়।
এশিয়া এনার্জির একটি সূত্র জানায়, গ্যারি লাই গত ইয়াওমুছ ছুলাছা বা মঙ্গলবার সন্ধ্যায় সস্ত্রীক ফুলবাড়ীতে আসে। শহরের এশিয়া এনার্জির গেস্ট হাউসে উঠে। সে তার লোকজনকে নিয়ে রাতে তিনটি সভা করে। 
গ্যারি লাইয়ের সভা করার খবর গত পরশু সকালে ফুলবাড়ী পৌর বাজারে ছড়িয়ে পড়ার সঙ্গে সঙ্গে উত্তেজনা ছড়িয়ে পড়ে। 
অপরদিকে ভেতরে ভেতরে এশিয়া এনার্জির সঙ্গে সরকারের নতুন চুক্তি সম্পাদনের কাজও এ লক্ষ্যে এগিয়ে নেয়া হচ্ছে বলে অভিযোগ উঠেছে। খবর বেরিয়েছে প্রধানমন্ত্রীর অনুমোদনের অপেক্ষায় আছে এশিয়া এনার্জির ফাইল; বাকি সব কাজ শেষ। কিছুদিন আগে জানা গেছে, ফুলবাড়ী কয়লাখনি উন্নয়নে এশিয়া এনার্জি সরকারকে নতুন প্রস্তাব দিয়েছে। নতুন এ প্রস্তাবে ৬ শতাংশ রয়্যালটি ছাড়াও ১০ শতাংশ 'ইকুইটি শেয়ার' প্রদান এবং নিজস্ব বিনিয়োগে খনিমুখে দুই হাজার মেগাওয়াট ক্ষমতার বিদ্যুৎ কেন্দ্র স্থাপনের কথা বলা হয়েছে। বিদ্যুৎ সঙ্কটের কথা বিবেচনা করে নতুন প্রস্তাবে সরকারকে বিদ্যুৎ কেন্দ্র করার টোপ দিয়েছে এশিয়া এনার্জি। সরকার এখনো সম্মতি না জানালেও কোনো বিরোধিতাও করেনি। সরকার এমনিতেই এশিয়া এনার্জিকে দীর্ঘদিন ধরে সুরক্ষা দিয়ে আসছে। একটি সূত্র জানিয়েছে, এরই ধারাবাহিকতায় সরকারের পক্ষ থেকেই এশিয়া এনার্জিকে জনমত গঠনের নির্দেশনা দেয়া হয়েছে। সেই পরামর্শ অনুযায়ী এশিয়াটিকের দ্বারস্থ হয়েছে তারা।
এশিয়াটিক বাংলাদেশে কাজ করছে ৪৬ বছর ধরে। এরা অনেক সাম্রাজ্যবাদী ও ষড়যন্ত্রকারী প্রতিষ্ঠানের সঙ্গে অনেকগুলো কার্যক্রম পরিচালনা করেছে। এবার তারা যুক্ত হলো বহুজাতিক কোম্পানি গ্লোবাল কোল ম্যানেজমেন্ট (জিসিএম), এদেশে এশিয়া এনার্জি নামে পরিচিত বিতর্কিত এই প্রতিষ্ঠানটির সঙ্গে।
এশিয়াটিকের প্রতিষ্ঠাতাদের মধ্যে রয়েছে কুখ্যাত পবিত্র দ্বীন ইসলাম উনার বিদ্বেষী ও তথাকথিত সংস্কৃতি ব্যক্তিত্বরা। তাদের ৪৬ বছরের অভিজ্ঞতাই প্রচারণামূলক মার্কেটিংয়ের। যার মাধ্যমে জনগণকে দিয়ে পণ্য গলাধঃকরণ করানো হয়। এশিয়াটিকের এসব কুযোগ্যতাকে এখন কাজে লাগাচ্ছে এশিয়া এনার্জি। 
তথাকথিত সুশীল সমাজের অনেকেই এখানে অপরাধের কিছু দেখে না। তারা মনে করে, একটি কোম্পানি তার নিজের বিনিয়োগে লাভবান হতে নিজের পক্ষে প্রচার চালাতেই পারে। কিন্তু এক্ষেত্রে বিষয়টি ভিন্ন বলে আমরা মনে করি। এজেন্সি যখন গণমাধ্যমকে ম্যানেজ করে, যখন গণমাধ্যমে কোনো ধ্বংসাত্মক প্রকল্পকে উন্নয়ন প্রকল্প হিসেবে চালানোর জন্য সাক্ষাৎকার, মতামত, বিশ্লেষণ ইত্যাদি প্রকাশ করে কিংবা অন্য কোনোভাবে, পরোক্ষ প্রচারণা চালায়- তখন সেগুলোকে বিশেষজ্ঞ মতামত, বিশ্লেষণ, ওপিনিয়ন হিসেবে চালায়। আবার তথাকথিত সেলিব্রেটি ইমেজ ব্যবহার করে জনগণের মতামত প্রভাবিত করে। কিন্তু এগুলো যে নানাভাবে কোম্পানি স্পনসরড তা গোপন করে। কারণ এটা প্রকাশ পেলে তো এগুলোর ভ্যালু বলে কিছু থাকবে না। ফলে জনগণের পক্ষে বোঝা মুশকিল হয়ে যায় কোনটা বিশেষজ্ঞ মতামত আর কোনটা কোম্পানির পয়সা খাওয়া মতামত। বলার অপেক্ষা রাখে না, এশিয়া এনার্জির পয়সা খাওয়া লোকজন এশিয়া এনার্জির পক্ষে বক্তব্য দিবে। এশিয়াটিক এটার প্রচার চালাবে 'বিশেষজ্ঞ মত' হিসেবে। এটা ভয়ঙ্কর এক আঘাত। এজন্য জনগণকে এখনই সচেতন হতে হবে।
কিছু স্বার্থাণ্বেষী মহল জনগণের ভালো খারাপের দিকে না তাকিয়ে ফুলবাড়ীর প্রাণ-প্রকৃতি-মানুষের ভাবনা বাদ দিয়ে এশিয়া এনার্জির লাভের ব্যবস্থা করে দিতে উদ্যোগী হয়েছে নিজেদের স্বার্থ হাসিলের জন্য।
সরকার এখানে সঠিক ভূমিকা নিচ্ছে না। সরকারের উচিত ছিল জনরায়ের পক্ষে হাঁটা। জনগণের স্বার্থ নিশ্চিত করা। দেশীয় প্রতিষ্ঠানগুলোরও দরকার ছিল দেশের স্বার্থের পক্ষে দাঁড়ানো। কিন্তু তার কিছুই হচ্ছে না। রক্তের বিনিময়ে ফুলবাড়ীতে যে চুক্তি স্বাক্ষরিত হয়েছে তা বাস্তবায়ন না হলে দেশ পড়বে গভীর সঙ্কটে। সরকারকে তাই সঠিক সিদ্ধান্ত নিয়ে এগিয়ে আসতে হবে এক্ষুনি। সঠিক সিদ্ধান্তের জন্য আবার যদি জনগণকে রক্ত ঝরাতে হয়, তবে তা হবে আত্মঘাতী ও গভীর পরিতাপের বিষয়।
মূলত, সব সমস্যা সমাধানে চাই সদিচ্ছা ও সক্রিয়তা তথা সততা। 



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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.



Das is still confused. He is putting some one else's words in my mouth. In this case Nazrul or Gholam Mostafa's words. I have only presented positive remarks about Islam or the prophet. The objective is to see how you defy them---Rabindranath, Vivekananda, Nazrul or Gholam Mostafa. I have seen how silly your style of defiance is. 

Personally I don't know MA, AK or SKM. I have no idea about their knowledge of Islam or history of Islam. With due respect to them, for now I will stick to my gurus like Nazrul, Maulana Azad or even Ibrahim Khan. 

That Vivekananda praised Islam made you mad. Now you are happy that he also criticized Islam. This makes me neither happy nor sad. 


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On Nov 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The point of debate here is not whether Kazi Nazrul was devout or not, it is whether Prophet(pbuh) was a "koruner chobi" or a war monger. During his stay in Medina, he is said to have conducted eighty nine acts of violence killing about a thousand of innocent persons and ethnically cleaning Jews who refused to admit him as messiah. Mawlana Chakrabarty had been displaying his ignorance on this over a few years and questioning learned men in this respect. Is he better informed than Abul Kashem, Mohammad Asghar, Syed Kamran Mirza etc.?

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On Nov 28, 2014, at 5:38 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Kazi Najrul Islam was ahead of his time and place. He challenged the religious establishments and hatred of his time and place. He was a people's poet. He loved all kinds of people and wanted people to give up religious prejudices and to love each other as humans.
 
While he proclaimed no religious books to be greater than the human mind and no religion to be bigger than humanity, he did not open up the books of the religion that he got by birth to analyze them rationally. In fact, he showed considerable weakness toward Islam when he wished his dead body to be buried near a mosque. He erroneously/falsely proclaimed that Islam gave women equal rights as men. He praised Muslims for willing to die for religion. By the honest and rational standard, he actually had a good deal of religious stupidity,
 
I will elaborate my thoughts on Najrul later. Thanks.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:44 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
A blunt prejudice! I have no extra love for Das and Roy. But, I do find them more to be in the 'right' side than you. That is my opinion. 

You are a good man with plenty of political correctness. It is not secret that you too make some great points in the forum. But this time, I simply could not see your point of bringing Nazrul in the discussion. He would have been a dead murtad in current Bangladesh. The man might not even moved to Bangladesh? He was a man beyond of his time. I am sure he had very vague idea about Islam and its history. So, writing few superficial lyrics does not make him a good follower of Islam.

I would not really put you in the same basket with the Moulanas like QR and Hannan but you would be the one who could in principle agree with those two imbeciles in certain issues. Again, that is my personal opinion and observation.

Happy Thanksgivings to all Muktomonas!
-SD
 


On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:41 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
It was expected that Deeldar would also join the chorus. I am taking all their comments as jokes and enjoying them. I would request Das-Roy-Deeldar to do a conference call and jointly disprove my points. Please do not hit me under the belt. Play by the rules. Let us make the debate meaningful. If you don't have knowledge, patience, or analytical capability, please stay out of it. Please don't be blinded by love or hatred. Be rational and analytical. 

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
As a good brahmin he has been doing a great job to keep the flame burning... now that QR and Hannan guys have abandoned from this forum. Yes, the man loves political correctness and that is OK with me.
-SD
 


On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:34 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
We have a devout Muslim in this forum by the name of Mr. Chakrabarty. Like an ordinary Muslim he hasn't read any version of Sirat al Nabi, Hadith by Bukhari, Gazzali and others, or the Holy Quran. Though he finds Hindu traditions deplorable, he is full of praise for Islam. "Swadarme nidhanam sreya, parodharma bhoyabaha", though a verse written under the influence of Islam, does not impress him. He pretends to be a Hafiz, but in reality, he is a Mafiz.

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:12 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Nazrul was a free-thinker. I would not drag him here. If a cognitively alert Nazrul were alive today in Bangladesh, he would be asking bigger trouble than Rushdie and Nasrin. He was a human first...man!
-SD
 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
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On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:57 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 



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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.



Thanks. I can see your points. I hope Kamal Das also could spend some time to organize 
his thoughts first and then present it respectfully. All he does is make sweeping comments and boast his incoherent knowledge. 
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On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

"Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious    by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants? "-  S. Chakrabarty

People have given that relative freedom since the inception of Islam but it is like one step forward followed by two steps backward. It is the religious Mullahs who call the shorts. These people are so 'afraid' that they think Islam needs to be protected by any means. Anybody converts to an atheist or something else is a dead meat. So, freedom is not an issue.

ISIL has rather become very popular amongst many enlightened European Muslims. And that is not a fluke. The gullible Muslim moderates would pretend to fight the evils but they will surrender the bigger causes of Islam. That is why nothing has happened since PM death. That is why evil forces like ISIL, Boko-harams and Talibans would be coming in many different flavors with more notoriety. And, moderates will chant the same mantra as these people being not true Muslims. Meanwhile, minorities will be converted or thrown out from many parts of the Muslim dominated countries. And, nobody can be blamed for those notoriety. A moderate would be sorry but he would not mind to live amongst those imbeciles as evidenced by so many cruel incidents and events. There goes his/her freedom and stance against his/her evil brethren. People like Malala can't go back to her own country but she is a great Muslim? I find this very ironic and maybe little self-serving (call it my sarcastic conspiracy theory) agenda from a different angle.

Yes, nobody can do anything about this deadly menace. I bet Nazrul knew that cruel fact when he was young and cognitively alert. Thank you. I stop here.

I bet, we are heading towards the elephant in the room.
-SD
 
 



On Friday, November 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Nazrul was a Muslim by birth and name. He never converted to any other religion although it has been said that for a certain time period he became a Kali sadhak. Through one of his poems he expressed his desire to be buried by the side of a mosque. He was above religion. He was more a Bengali than a Muslim. He did not suffer from religious meanness. That's why he could so easily write beautiful kirtans in addition to naad, hamd, and gajal. He wrote much more Hindu songs than Islamic songs because of the higher demand for the former. 

My point was not to prove that Nazrul was a devout Muslim. He was a rebel against the use of religion as a tool of exploitation. He was aware that common people were religious and he must not do any thing that would make him isolated from people as one of his goals was to liberate the oppressed. That's what I wanted to say. Some one made a rude comment about Kerry. My question was if he would make the similar comment about Nazrul as he tried to glorify the prophet of Islam in his song. 

I will never ask Kamal Das this question as he is not worth debating with. He got mad when he heard that Rabindranath called Muhammad a great sage. He stopped so low that he attacked Rabindranath by saying that his writings were not free from spelling mistakes. He loves to attack some one out of context. As far as I remember he  was also mad when he came to know that Vivekananda praised the concept of equality in Islam. He accuses but cannot say on what point. 

That ISIS is following the true Koranic Islam is now a favorite theory in certain quarters which include Islamophobiac communalists. The theory may be well founded or not---I don't know as my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited. Also I don't care. My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS. Will it not be rude to tell them that they are half Muslims and in order to become true Koranic Muslims they have to follow ISIS word for word? Will this not be divisive and make fight against ISIS weak? Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious    by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants? 

I have asked you few questions in a separate mail. I would be looking forward to hearing from you soon. 

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On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Does this song makes him a Muslim? How about his so many ShreeKrishna Kirtan and Sama Sangit? Do they make him a Hindu? It does not.

This is your problem. Let me help you - Nazrul is not Muslim or Hindu, he represented humanity.

It is a totally hopeless deliberation, so this is my last comment on you.

Jiten Roy
 

From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
Where have I said that Nazrul was a practicing Muslim? But he wrote Islamic sings like "tora dekhe ja Amina mayer kole". 

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I have presented why I think - your thoughts are illogical. Think again - what is Kazi Nazrul Islam, as per your judgment? Was he a practicing Muslim, as you have presented him to be? 


From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
I thought Jiten Roy knows how to play by rules. I can see bad influence of Kamal Das on him. Dr. Roy, you need to counter argue if you have the capability. You have to say exactly what I have said illogical and what is inconsistent in my message. If you can't do it, you need to pity yourself for ignorance or lack of clear understanding. 

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
He is our resident Moulana Chakraborty, isn't it - Dr. Das? He knows all about Islam, otherwise he could not be our Moulana for nothing. He possesses the most inconsistent mind in the forum; no one can follow his mind - it wonders around all over. He brought Poet Kazi Nazrul Islam in the discussion to prove that ISIS is not following Islam, and they are not real Muslims, as Kazi Nazrul Islam was. Go figure!
Jiten Roy 
 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
We have a devout Muslim in this forum by the name of Mr. Chakrabarty. Like an ordinary Muslim he hasn't read any version of Sirat al Nabi, Hadith by Bukhari, Gazzali and others, or the Holy Quran. Though he finds Hindu traditions deplorable, he is full of praise for Islam. "Swadarme nidhanam sreya, parodharma bhoyabaha", though a verse written under the influence of Islam, does not impress him. He pretends to be a Hafiz, but in reality, he is a Mafiz.

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:12 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Nazrul was a free-thinker. I would not drag him here. If a cognitively alert Nazrul were alive today in Bangladesh, he would be asking bigger trouble than Rushdie and Nasrin. He was a human first...man!
-SD
 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:57 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Moreover John Kerry's statement is a political statement. Kerry does not want to see Islam through the eyes of the ISIS leaders. Also he does not want to read scriptures between lines as this is nothing but a fundamentalist attitude. This is a time when, as America thinks, a broader coalition is needed to fight ISIS. World leaders must take this fact into cognizance. I don't see any wisdom in ridiculing Kerry or his statement. This is meanness. 

Nazrul found greatness in Islam. Again beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. How do you look at the line from Nazrul "Araber nabi karunar Chhobi"?

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On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Abul Kasem abul88@hotmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
No wonder PC master Secretary John Kerry says: Islam is the beautiful 
 
Wonderful, John Kerry--
After you lose your job as Obama's side-kick, you will get the job of an Imam in a Saudi Arabis.
Saudis will love you--
 
AK

 

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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.



Caliphate is originally a Jewish concept. In it Kings and Messiahs would belong only to the House of David. After the descendants of Solomon was exterminated by the Assyrians, the concept also died away. Islamic version of it never materialized. The Ottomans falsely claimed to descend from the House of the Prophet as do the Hashemites of Jordan. But by now, Muslims are too diverse to be led by any of them.

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On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sorry, Mr. Roy and Mr. Chakrabarty, to come into your controversy. Since I see in Mr. Roy's comments that most Muslims perhaps want a caliphate, may I refer you to a recent article of mine in The Daily Star on the subject?
Because of my preoccupations (and old age), I do not want to start another controversy.
The link is given below.
 
 
 
Mahfuzur Rahman
 
 
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From: Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
Do you think I have archived all your past comments? If you want, you can compile them yourself. All I know is this – I always point out what I am commenting against.
For example, here you said – "Some one made a rude comment about Kerry." And, it hurt you so much that - you had to jump into action, without understanding that it was a politically correct statement from a politician. You may not know that, but most members in the forum know that already.   
You said, "My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS." Do you know majority Muslim population in the world support idea of Caliphate all over the world? Go take a poll in the Muslim majority country, and find it out. Don't just start shooting blanks.   
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
Nazrul was a Muslim by birth and name. He never converted to any other religion although it has been said that for a certain time period he became a Kali sadhak. Through one of his poems he expressed his desire to be buried by the side of a mosque. He was above religion. He was more a Bengali than a Muslim. He did not suffer from religious meanness. That's why he could so easily write beautiful kirtans in addition to naad, hamd, and gajal. He wrote much more Hindu songs than Islamic songs because of the higher demand for the former. 

My point was not to prove that Nazrul was a devout Muslim. He was a rebel against the use of religion as a tool of exploitation. He was aware that common people were religious and he must not do any thing that would make him isolated from people as one of his goals was to liberate the oppressed. That's what I wanted to say. Some one made a rude comment about Kerry. My question was if he would make the similar comment about Nazrul as he tried to glorify the prophet of Islam in his song. 

I will never ask Kamal Das this question as he is not worth debating with. He got mad when he heard that Rabindranath called Muhammad a great sage. He stopped so low that he attacked Rabindranath by saying that his writings were not free from spelling mistakes. He loves to attack some one out of context. As far as I remember he  was also mad when he came to know that Vivekananda praised the concept of equality in Islam. He accuses but cannot say on what point. 

That ISIS is following the true Koranic Islam is now a favorite theory in certain quarters which include Islamophobiac communalists. The theory may be well founded or not---I don't know as my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited. Also I don't care. My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS. Will it not be rude to tell them that they are half Muslims and in order to become true Koranic Muslims they have to follow ISIS word for word? Will this not be divisive and make fight against ISIS weak? Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious    by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants? 

I have asked you few questions in a separate mail. I would be looking forward to hearing from you soon. 

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On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Does this song makes him a Muslim? How about his so many ShreeKrishna Kirtan and Sama Sangit? Do they make him a Hindu? It does not.

This is your problem. Let me help you - Nazrul is not Muslim or Hindu, he represented humanity.

It is a totally hopeless deliberation, so this is my last comment on you.

Jiten Roy
 

From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.

 
Where have I said that Nazrul was a practicing Muslim? But he wrote Islamic sings like "tora dekhe ja Amina mayer kole". 

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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



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