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Wednesday, May 6, 2015

[mukto-mona] কবিতা (মানবতা দিশেহারা)



মানবতা দিশেহারা


রকি চৌধুরী

 

তুমি করেছো সকল সৃষ্টি, তোমারে করেছে কারা?

মানুষ হয়েছে দলে দলে ভাগ, মানবতা দিশেহারা।

 

ঈশ্বর তুমি পরম দয়ালু, সত্যিই তুমি বড়

তাইতো গরিব পায়না খেতে, ধনীরা পায় আরো!

 

শাসক-শোষক-অত্যাচারিরা অট্টালিকায় থাকে,

বঞ্চিত কত পথশিশু কেন জীবন বাজি রাখে?

 

মানব প্রেম আজ অতি জঘন্য,

ঈশ্বর প্রেমে সকল পুন্য,

সবকিছু কেন তোমার জন্য?

কী বলি স্বার্থপর ছাড়া!!!

 

তুমি করেছো সকল সৃষ্টি, তোমারে করেছে কারা?

মানুষ হয়েছে দলে দলে ভাগ, মানবতা দিশেহারা।

 

মানুষ হয়ে জন্মেজে সব, তোমার নামেতে বাটোয়ারা,

আপন ধর্ম উচিয়ে সবাই একে অন্যেরে করে তাড়া।

 

কিছু গ্রন্থ রচিয়া, গ্রন্থ পূজিয়া মানুষ হয়েছে দাস;

আপন কারাতে বন্ধী হইয়া, নারীরে দিয়াছে ফাঁস।

 

আজ দাসত্বে-ই সকল মত্ত,

হারাইয়া গিয়াছে মনুষ্যত্ব,

ভন্ডামীতে-ই পূর্ণ মর্ত্য,

সত্য গিয়াছে মারা!!!

 

তুমি করেছো সকল সৃষ্টি, তোমারে করেছে কারা?

মানুষ হয়েছে দলে দলে ভাগ, মানবতা দিশেহারা।



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Hindu societies from India to Indonesia had plenty of faults. These fell easily to Muslim invasion. So did even the Persians. They fell even more easily. In fact, the four major caste system was a Persian innovation. Modern day theologians don't consider it ineffective. The system decomposed when belonging to high caste became inheritance. 

Alliance among the Dalits and Muslims is a fact of politics in India even today. Jogen Mandal and his followers voted for Pakistan. He was assured a cabinet post in lieu of it. When Indian army marched into Hyderabad, the repercussion set into the form of riot in East Pakistan. Fearing arrest, Mandal left for Calcutta. The poor subaltern Hindus were uprooted due to their bad judgment. Along with blaming the Brahmins, the low caste should also blame themselves for the events. The downtrodden should overthrow the oppressor first and then choose a new destiny.

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On May 6, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We, gentlemen, let me make some comments here.
 
The Hindu caste system has been no less harmful for the Indian subcontinent than the Hindu-Muslim divide. To compare the extra-religious and far less defined caste mentality among the Muslims with the Hindu caste system is preposterous. Here, I am in serious disagreement with Dr. Roy and Dr. Das. Look, even as recently as in 1947, much of the present day territory of Bangladesh fell into the insanity of Islamic fanaticism because a so-called low-caste Hindu community decided that their Muslim brothers would be better than the so-called high-caste Hindus.
 
Discrimination against women in Hindu religion/tradition has also been an egregious and indefensible offence.
 
I am also puzzled by Mr. Chakrabarty's notion that the preacher in the video was "spreading hatred against women." The preacher asked people to not look at women on Earth lustfully, because that would be a sin; and if they could avoid that sin, they would get the prize of having so many attractive, sexy and lustful young women in heaven. Here he surely did not preach anything like subjugating or harming women. He was just stupid, preaching a bunch of stupider people; and no honorable human being would associate himself/herself with thing kind of morons. We could add/emphasize that this kind of stupid people can be manipulated to do a lot of bad things for their belief, and they should be re-educated - hell with religion, if needed.
 
SuBain
 
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On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 7:43 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Exactly, Dr. Das, Islam has various castes, and so do all other religions also. I am not sure how someone, like Mr. Chakraborty, could equate caste-ism to religious communality.
His extra eagerness to expose my favoritism to Hinduism by pointing out my willful omission of Hinduism from the list of organized religions made him persistent on my response. I understood his intention, and ignored his first response. I knew - he did not know what an organized religion was. He insisted on my response again, and I had to reply.  
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
Contrary to common belief, even Islam ain't free from caste system. Al Barani, a contemporary of Muhammad bin Tughlaq defended it. In his time, the number of castes in Islam was a little less than four hundred. Buddhism, Christianity, and Judaism also have it. An ignoramus can put as much mud on himself as he wants. Such an idiot should follow the steps of Suman Kabir.

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On May 5, 2015, at 5:57 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
"Dr. Jiten Roy compared casteism and discrimination against women in Hinduism as a mosquito bite while the same thing in other organized religions as tiger bites."
I always regret to reply to idiotic response, like this, because it's a misstatement of my comment.
The format of this forum does not allow me to qualify all comments with enough details that is required for some people to understand.
First, Hinduism is not an organized religion; in fact, it's the most disorganized religion on earth, which recognizes all religions, all interpretations (Mots), and all paths (ways).  
Second, caste-ism is not the religious communality, because - caste-ism occurs within the same religious boundary, and affects communities within the same religion only. On the contrary, religious communality occurs across the religious boundary, and affects all other religious communities.
In fact, caste-ism of Hinduism helped other organized religions (Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, etc.) to spread and flourish in India, instead of affecting them negatively.
That why, I compared caste-ism of Hinduism to mosquito-bite, and religious communality with tiger-bite. Also, Mr. Chakraborty, this comment has nothing to do with discrimination of women in religion, which is a different topic altogether.
I think - your thoughts are messed up with too many issues.   
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
I think both Bangladesh and india have some sort of blasphemy law. He can be prosecuted if the government wants to. Having said this I must say that I do not believe in blasphemy law. 

Moreover, spreading hatred against women in an open forum can be taken seriously by the women's rights groups and the feminists. I claim myself to be belonging to the latter group. So logically I am justified to seek justice. 

In a different but related thread Dr. Jiten Roy compared casteism and discrimination against women in Hinduism as a mosquito bite while the same thing in other organized religions as tiger bites. He did not elaborate on it. It was a single liner. 

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On May 3, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
If bringing to justice means punishment by a court of law or worse, Professor Chakrabarty's statement would be disappointing; as he is an otherwise rational intellectual. If the speaker committed the so-called blasphemy, even by intentional falsification (which is worse than misinterpretation) of Islam, the punishment for him should be from the proclaimed almighty, Allah, not from humans individually or collectively (society/government). The so-called Ulema and people in general could criticize/disown him, nothing more.
 
SuBain
 
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On Sunday, May 3, 2015 1:37 PM, "subimal chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
If Prof. Majid is right (I am sure she is), the speaker is committing 'blasphemy' by mentioning a Surah which does not exist in the Koran. He should be identified, caught, and brought to justice. The entire Ulema should also protest. 



On Sunday, May 3, 2015 10:31 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 
The trouble is - not many people has the ability to interpret the religious scriptures, and they depend on these readily available sources for understanding the religious teachings, which should be a grave concern for the society, in my view.
Unfortunately, there is no accountability of any preacher, and anything can go in the name of religion. Some cunning people are taking advantage of this situation, and they have taken up the religious preaching, as a living, without knowing much about the religion, and they are passing political and personal interests as divine religious doctrines.  This should not be the case.
Since the society revolves around religion, Government must control these individuals through the Religious Affairs' Ministry. Otherwise, society will be polluted beyond repair. We need to remember, religious freedom only gives freedom to practice religion. Unfiltered religious propaganda is not a part of the religious freedom.  
Jiten Roy
    
 

From: "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 1:28 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
He is LYING in the name of Allah! He has uttered gobbledygook - some Arabic sounding gibberish. It is certainly not any ayah from any Surah of the Qur'an that says what he says it says. There is no Bokhari, no Muslim Hadith that say what he says they say. His audience is fooled and bullied. He should be reported to the Police for purposefully distorting Holy Scriptures in order to incite social unrest.

I have forwarded the video to a member of the Law Commission asking for suggestions to curb such outrageous public bullying.






From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 13:46:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
Can we get reference? I understand it was in Dhaka, but who is the speaker? Does he belong to an Islamic political party? Has it been recorded by the speaker for public consumption or some one videoed it secretly and then put the same on YouTube? 

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On May 2, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Sitangshu Guha guhasb@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:















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Let me first correct two typos in my last post: "We, gentlemen …" was meant to be "Well, gentlemen …" and "…no honorable human being would associate himself/herself with thing kind of morons" was meant to be "…no honorable human being would associate himself/herself with this kind of morons."
 
Now, let me add some more of my thoughts on the points made mostly by Dr. Jiten Roy. As a humanist, I do not differentiate between inter-religion injustice/hatred and intra-religion injustice/hatred. In fact, in the nations that can be called largely civilized, you cannot abuse even your own wife/children by making a foolish statement like, "oh, it is my family matter and it is not hurting anyone outside of my family." Similarly, it is wrong to suggest that hatred/injustice within the Hindus (or within the Muslims) is not as deplorable as that between Hindus and Muslims.
 
The good thing that I see among the Hindus is that they are abandoning a lot of the nonsense/injustice/hatred that are part of Hinduism, whether it is a religion or not. (Although I also feel that the change should be much faster and should reach the rural areas of India as well.)
 
SuBain
 
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On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 8:12 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Dr. Bain, I understand how caste-ism affected Indian subcontinent. It was the main cause for disunity among Indians, which paved the way for the foreign invaders, and caste-ism was also responsible for the breakup of the greater Indian subcontinent. But, all those are our black past.
Now, no matter what residual caste-ism is doing to people, it is nowhere near as harmful as the religious communality, which is engulfing not only the Indian subcontinent but also the entire world. That's why I called caste-ism as the mosquito-bite and religious communality as the tiger-bite.  
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
We, gentlemen, let me make some comments here.
 
The Hindu caste system has been no less harmful for the Indian subcontinent than the Hindu-Muslim divide. To compare the extra-religious and far less defined caste mentality among the Muslims with the Hindu caste system is preposterous. Here, I am in serious disagreement with Dr. Roy and Dr. Das. Look, even as recently as in 1947, much of the present day territory of Bangladesh fell into the insanity of Islamic fanaticism because a so-called low-caste Hindu community decided that their Muslim brothers would be better than the so-called high-caste Hindus.
 
Discrimination against women in Hindu religion/tradition has also been an egregious and indefensible offence.
 
I am also puzzled by Mr. Chakrabarty's notion that the preacher in the video was "spreading hatred against women." The preacher asked people to not look at women on Earth lustfully, because that would be a sin; and if they could avoid that sin, they would get the prize of having so many attractive, sexy and lustful young women in heaven. Here he surely did not preach anything like subjugating or harming women. He was just stupid, preaching a bunch of stupider people; and no honorable human being would associate himself/herself with thing kind of morons. We could add/emphasize that this kind of stupid people can be manipulated to do a lot of bad things for their belief, and they should be re-educated - hell with religion, if needed.
 
SuBain
 
=========================================
 



On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 7:43 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Exactly, Dr. Das, Islam has various castes, and so do all other religions also. I am not sure how someone, like Mr. Chakraborty, could equate caste-ism to religious communality.
His extra eagerness to expose my favoritism to Hinduism by pointing out my willful omission of Hinduism from the list of organized religions made him persistent on my response. I understood his intention, and ignored his first response. I knew - he did not know what an organized religion was. He insisted on my response again, and I had to reply.  
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
Contrary to common belief, even Islam ain't free from caste system. Al Barani, a contemporary of Muhammad bin Tughlaq defended it. In his time, the number of castes in Islam was a little less than four hundred. Buddhism, Christianity, and Judaism also have it. An ignoramus can put as much mud on himself as he wants. Such an idiot should follow the steps of Suman Kabir.

Sent from my iPad



On May 5, 2015, at 5:57 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
"Dr. Jiten Roy compared casteism and discrimination against women in Hinduism as a mosquito bite while the same thing in other organized religions as tiger bites."
I always regret to reply to idiotic response, like this, because it's a misstatement of my comment.
The format of this forum does not allow me to qualify all comments with enough details that is required for some people to understand.
First, Hinduism is not an organized religion; in fact, it's the most disorganized religion on earth, which recognizes all religions, all interpretations (Mots), and all paths (ways).  
Second, caste-ism is not the religious communality, because - caste-ism occurs within the same religious boundary, and affects communities within the same religion only. On the contrary, religious communality occurs across the religious boundary, and affects all other religious communities.
In fact, caste-ism of Hinduism helped other organized religions (Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, etc.) to spread and flourish in India, instead of affecting them negatively.
That why, I compared caste-ism of Hinduism to mosquito-bite, and religious communality with tiger-bite. Also, Mr. Chakraborty, this comment has nothing to do with discrimination of women in religion, which is a different topic altogether.
I think - your thoughts are messed up with too many issues.   
Jiten Roy

 

From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
I think both Bangladesh and india have some sort of blasphemy law. He can be prosecuted if the government wants to. Having said this I must say that I do not believe in blasphemy law. 

Moreover, spreading hatred against women in an open forum can be taken seriously by the women's rights groups and the feminists. I claim myself to be belonging to the latter group. So logically I am justified to seek justice. 

In a different but related thread Dr. Jiten Roy compared casteism and discrimination against women in Hinduism as a mosquito bite while the same thing in other organized religions as tiger bites. He did not elaborate on it. It was a single liner. 

Sent from my iPhone



On May 3, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
If bringing to justice means punishment by a court of law or worse, Professor Chakrabarty's statement would be disappointing; as he is an otherwise rational intellectual. If the speaker committed the so-called blasphemy, even by intentional falsification (which is worse than misinterpretation) of Islam, the punishment for him should be from the proclaimed almighty, Allah, not from humans individually or collectively (society/government). The so-called Ulema and people in general could criticize/disown him, nothing more.
 
SuBain
 
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On Sunday, May 3, 2015 1:37 PM, "subimal chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
If Prof. Majid is right (I am sure she is), the speaker is committing 'blasphemy' by mentioning a Surah which does not exist in the Koran. He should be identified, caught, and brought to justice. The entire Ulema should also protest. 



On Sunday, May 3, 2015 10:31 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 
The trouble is - not many people has the ability to interpret the religious scriptures, and they depend on these readily available sources for understanding the religious teachings, which should be a grave concern for the society, in my view.
Unfortunately, there is no accountability of any preacher, and anything can go in the name of religion. Some cunning people are taking advantage of this situation, and they have taken up the religious preaching, as a living, without knowing much about the religion, and they are passing political and personal interests as divine religious doctrines.  This should not be the case.
Since the society revolves around religion, Government must control these individuals through the Religious Affairs' Ministry. Otherwise, society will be polluted beyond repair. We need to remember, religious freedom only gives freedom to practice religion. Unfiltered religious propaganda is not a part of the religious freedom.  
Jiten Roy
    
 

From: "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 1:28 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
He is LYING in the name of Allah! He has uttered gobbledygook - some Arabic sounding gibberish. It is certainly not any ayah from any Surah of the Qur'an that says what he says it says. There is no Bokhari, no Muslim Hadith that say what he says they say. His audience is fooled and bullied. He should be reported to the Police for purposefully distorting Holy Scriptures in order to incite social unrest.

I have forwarded the video to a member of the Law Commission asking for suggestions to curb such outrageous public bullying.






From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 13:46:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Enjoy

 
Can we get reference? I understand it was in Dhaka, but who is the speaker? Does he belong to an Islamic political party? Has it been recorded by the speaker for public consumption or some one videoed it secretly and then put the same on YouTube? 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Sitangshu Guha guhasb@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



















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Posted by: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>


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Mukto Mona plans for a Grand Darwin Day Celebration: 
Call For Articles:

http://mukto-mona.com/wordpress/?p=68

http://mukto-mona.com/banga_blog/?p=585

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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
               -Beatrice Hall [pseudonym: S.G. Tallentyre], 190





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