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Sunday, June 21, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] ভারতে যোগ দিবস



I disagree. I am an avid lover of yoga and some other physical sports. I consider yoga is rather a personal mental/physical exercise and see no point why Indian government should be batting for it. There is no need for it. This is very childish. Think about Chinese declaring a Tai-Chi day? Or, Muslims declaring a prayer day? That would be really silly!
 




On Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:40 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:


"I would agree with that nobody really needs an Yoga day" - This is an immature conclusion.

Apparently, millions, in India and around the world, do care about yoga, and it is gaining popularity every day. While many smell religion in yoga and reject it, others in the Western world call this a very potent exercise for all, young and old. This trend is a gift to the world - that remained untapped until now. Things are really changing.
Although many people in the Indian subcontinent are keeping this practice untouchable, others are moving forward with full force. You can visit the link below, and get information about yoga retreats around the world, where you can take your family and friends and have a real good time:
http://www.kripalu.org/catalog_request/
Jiten Roy

 

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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ভারতে যোগ দিবস

I would agree with that nobody really needs an Yoga day but your way of seeing this as a conspiracy of creating more Hindu bigots during the Ramadan month is rather an farfetched extreme assumption. The Ramadan fasting will go on for month and you want world not to celebrate any day or occasion? What that makes you?
 




On Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:35 AM, "Soham Kar sohamkar@live.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

হঠাৎ করে কোথ্থাও কিছু নেই বিশ্ব যোগ দিবস, তার আগে স্বচ্ছ ভারত অভিযান। কোটি কোটি টাকা নষ্ট করে বিজ্ঞাপন দেএয়া।
এই সবই এক প্রকারের আই ওয়াশ।
খালি পেটে যোগ ব্যায়ম করবে লোকে? এদেশের মানুষ তো খেতেই পায় না দুবেলা। আসলে এই সবের পেছনেই চলছে, একটা অন্য ষড়যন্ত্র। যোগের মাধ্যমে ভারত সরকার দায়িত্ব নিয়ে, ধর্মের প্রচার করছে। আধ্যাতিকতার প্রচার করছে, এর পেছনেই প্রচুর হিন্দু সন্ত্রাসবাদী সংগঠন গড়ে উঠছে। আমি মনে করি ইচ্ছা করে, খুব বুঝেশুনে রমজান মাসে এইসব ধ্যাষ্টামো করা হচ্ছে।
নামী ব্রান্ডের জ্যাকেট পড়ে মোদী বাবু দিয়ে বসে পড়েছেন। ভারত সরকার 'গীতা' প্রতিযোগিতা করছে। কেন? এটা একটা সেকুলার দেশের রাষ্ট্রের দায়িত্ব হতে পারে না। কোন নির্দিষ্ট ধর্মগ্রন্থ প্রমোট করা। কাজেই এই সরকার নির্দিষ্ট ধর্মাবল্বিদের সরকারে পরিণত হয়েছে। অবশ্য এটাই এদের আদি ও অকৃত্রিম উদ্দেশ্য।
এই বর্ষাকালে যারা খোলা আকাশের নীচে দিন কাটাচ্ছে, যাদের যেকোন মুহূর্তে কারুর ভাইজি বা তথাকতিত গরীব দরদী অভিনেতা গাড়ির গুঁতো দিতে পারে, তাদের জন্য সরকারের উপহার যোগ দিবস?
আসলে তারাও মেনে নিচ্ছে, খালি পেটেই মেনে নিচ্ছে, কারন খুব নরম যায়গায় স্পর্শ করা হচ্ছে, যার নাম ধর্ম।

এইসব যোগা করতে তারাইবসবে, যারা জানে দু ঘন্টা যোগা করার পর, তাদের জন্য পুষ্টিকর খাদ্য অপেক্ষা করছে, সাজানো টেবিলে। আগে সেই সিকিওরিটিটা সরকার দিক, তারপর এইসব হবে।

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Re: [mukto-mona] ভারতে যোগ দিবস



Someone proposed the longest night in December be declared as Kamasutra Night!

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On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


"I would agree with that nobody really needs an Yoga day" - This is an immature conclusion.

Apparently, millions, in India and around the world, do care about yoga, and it is gaining popularity every day. While many smell religion in yoga and reject it, others in the Western world call this a very potent exercise for all, young and old. This trend is a gift to the world - that remained untapped until now. Things are really changing.
Although many people in the Indian subcontinent are keeping this practice untouchable, others are moving forward with full force. You can visit the link below, and get information about yoga retreats around the world, where you can take your family and friends and have a real good time:
Jiten Roy

 



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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ভারতে যোগ দিবস

I would agree with that nobody really needs an Yoga day but your way of seeing this as a conspiracy of creating more Hindu bigots during the Ramadan month is rather an farfetched extreme assumption. The Ramadan fasting will go on for month and you want world not to celebrate any day or occasion? What that makes you?
 




On Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:35 AM, "Soham Kar sohamkar@live.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

হঠাৎ করে কোথ্থাও কিছু নেই বিশ্ব যোগ দিবস, তার আগে স্বচ্ছ ভারত অভিযান। কোটি কোটি টাকা নষ্ট করে বিজ্ঞাপন দেএয়া।
এই সবই এক প্রকারের আই ওয়াশ।
খালি পেটে যোগ ব্যায়ম করবে লোকে? এদেশের মানুষ তো খেতেই পায় না দুবেলা। আসলে এই সবের পেছনেই চলছে, একটা অন্য ষড়যন্ত্র। যোগের মাধ্যমে ভারত সরকার দায়িত্ব নিয়ে, ধর্মের প্রচার করছে। আধ্যাতিকতার প্রচার করছে, এর পেছনেই প্রচুর হিন্দু সন্ত্রাসবাদী সংগঠন গড়ে উঠছে। আমি মনে করি ইচ্ছা করে, খুব বুঝেশুনে রমজান মাসে এইসব ধ্যাষ্টামো করা হচ্ছে।
নামী ব্রান্ডের জ্যাকেট পড়ে মোদী বাবু দিয়ে বসে পড়েছেন। ভারত সরকার 'গীতা' প্রতিযোগিতা করছে। কেন? এটা একটা সেকুলার দেশের রাষ্ট্রের দায়িত্ব হতে পারে না। কোন নির্দিষ্ট ধর্মগ্রন্থ প্রমোট করা। কাজেই এই সরকার নির্দিষ্ট ধর্মাবল্বিদের সরকারে পরিণত হয়েছে। অবশ্য এটাই এদের আদি ও অকৃত্রিম উদ্দেশ্য।
এই বর্ষাকালে যারা খোলা আকাশের নীচে দিন কাটাচ্ছে, যাদের যেকোন মুহূর্তে কারুর ভাইজি বা তথাকতিত গরীব দরদী অভিনেতা গাড়ির গুঁতো দিতে পারে, তাদের জন্য সরকারের উপহার যোগ দিবস?
আসলে তারাও মেনে নিচ্ছে, খালি পেটেই মেনে নিচ্ছে, কারন খুব নরম যায়গায় স্পর্শ করা হচ্ছে, যার নাম ধর্ম।

এইসব যোগা করতে তারাইবসবে, যারা জানে দু ঘন্টা যোগা করার পর, তাদের জন্য পুষ্টিকর খাদ্য অপেক্ষা করছে, সাজানো টেবিলে। আগে সেই সিকিওরিটিটা সরকার দিক, তারপর এইসব হবে।

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Fw: [mukto-mona] ভারতে যোগ দিবস




"I would agree with that nobody really needs an Yoga day" - This is an immature conclusion.

Apparently, millions, in India and around the world, do care about yoga, and it is gaining popularity every day. While many smell religion in yoga and reject it, others in the Western world call this a very potent exercise for all, young and old. This trend is a gift to the world - that remained untapped until now. Things are really changing.
Although many people in the Indian subcontinent are keeping this practice untouchable, others are moving forward with full force. You can visit the link below, and get information about yoga retreats around the world, where you can take your family and friends and have a real good time:
http://www.kripalu.org/catalog_request/
Jiten Roy

 



From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ভারতে যোগ দিবস

I would agree with that nobody really needs an Yoga day but your way of seeing this as a conspiracy of creating more Hindu bigots during the Ramadan month is rather an farfetched extreme assumption. The Ramadan fasting will go on for month and you want world not to celebrate any day or occasion? What that makes you?
 




On Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:35 AM, "Soham Kar sohamkar@live.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

হঠাৎ করে কোথ্থাও কিছু নেই বিশ্ব যোগ দিবস, তার আগে স্বচ্ছ ভারত অভিযান। কোটি কোটি টাকা নষ্ট করে বিজ্ঞাপন দেএয়া।
এই সবই এক প্রকারের আই ওয়াশ।
খালি পেটে যোগ ব্যায়ম করবে লোকে? এদেশের মানুষ তো খেতেই পায় না দুবেলা। আসলে এই সবের পেছনেই চলছে, একটা অন্য ষড়যন্ত্র। যোগের মাধ্যমে ভারত সরকার দায়িত্ব নিয়ে, ধর্মের প্রচার করছে। আধ্যাতিকতার প্রচার করছে, এর পেছনেই প্রচুর হিন্দু সন্ত্রাসবাদী সংগঠন গড়ে উঠছে। আমি মনে করি ইচ্ছা করে, খুব বুঝেশুনে রমজান মাসে এইসব ধ্যাষ্টামো করা হচ্ছে।
নামী ব্রান্ডের জ্যাকেট পড়ে মোদী বাবু দিয়ে বসে পড়েছেন। ভারত সরকার 'গীতা' প্রতিযোগিতা করছে। কেন? এটা একটা সেকুলার দেশের রাষ্ট্রের দায়িত্ব হতে পারে না। কোন নির্দিষ্ট ধর্মগ্রন্থ প্রমোট করা। কাজেই এই সরকার নির্দিষ্ট ধর্মাবল্বিদের সরকারে পরিণত হয়েছে। অবশ্য এটাই এদের আদি ও অকৃত্রিম উদ্দেশ্য।
এই বর্ষাকালে যারা খোলা আকাশের নীচে দিন কাটাচ্ছে, যাদের যেকোন মুহূর্তে কারুর ভাইজি বা তথাকতিত গরীব দরদী অভিনেতা গাড়ির গুঁতো দিতে পারে, তাদের জন্য সরকারের উপহার যোগ দিবস?
আসলে তারাও মেনে নিচ্ছে, খালি পেটেই মেনে নিচ্ছে, কারন খুব নরম যায়গায় স্পর্শ করা হচ্ছে, যার নাম ধর্ম।

এইসব যোগা করতে তারাইবসবে, যারা জানে দু ঘন্টা যোগা করার পর, তাদের জন্য পুষ্টিকর খাদ্য অপেক্ষা করছে, সাজানো টেবিলে। আগে সেই সিকিওরিটিটা সরকার দিক, তারপর এইসব হবে।

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Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists



"You have obviously not understood the Quran which prohibits the killing of innocents, allows war under strict rules for self defence and tells Muslims to make peace, not be the aggressor and to cease hostilities when the enemy agrees to peace."- -Shaheen

Typical nonsense from another gullible that I would rather ignore. Nobody understands Quran and hence... whatever is being done in the name of Islam and Quran are basically beyond us, the mortals. Only if enemy surrenders, start singing Islamic gospel and pays the jijia taxes for protection, peace will follow? How many times do I need to hear this broken record? So, who really understands Quran? Mr. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Ms. Shaheen? They might be saying the same thing with different tonality. I do not think any Yazidis would have patience for such BS.
 




On Sunday, June 21, 2015 2:52 PM, "alishaheen2010@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mr. Bain, I was not suggesting that you don't have Muslim friends.  I was suggesting that you hate Islam because you seem to think that it is the cause of atrocities.  You have obviously not understood the Quran which prohibits the killing of innocents, allows war under strict rules for self defence and tells Muslims to make peace, not be the aggressor and to cease hostilities when the enemy agrees to peace.

I stand by my comment that barbarian atrocities were not committed in Pakistan since its creation 65 years ago because that is a more recent phenomenon starting in the 70's.  India on the other hand has had more riots since it gained independence 65 years ago.  Just do the math from 1947 and 1970 and you will know that it is not 65 years of barbarian atrocities.  

One can be critical of religion because it has its imperfections, but you cross the line into bigotry when you fail to appreciate the good that also takes place in the name of religion, when you fail to acknowledge that most atrocities are committed because of politics and economics with religion being used as a tool to sway illiterate masses.  You think Palestine is about religion and ignore the issue of land and statehood even after it is pointed out to you.  Hitler targeted Jews because of economic reasons.  Minorities are persecuted when jobs are scarce.  Religion is used for furthering political agendas because you can get people to sacrifice their lives for God in any religion.  I have explained all this before but you steadfastly choose to ignore the role of politics and economics in barbarian atrocities because it serves your personal jihad against religions.  Would you call that bigotry or intellectual dishonesty or both?

If you don't wish to talk about any individual person then you should stick to issues and not engage in personal attacks and accuse others of hate when you make similar remarks.  So you are against religious intolerance by becoming intolerant of religion?  That's just two sides of the same intolerant coin!

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On Jun 20, 2015, at 8:45 AM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Ms. Shaheen, you said, "I don't want you to ignore the issue of hate at all", in response to my statement, "let me ignore your pot-kettle-hate-excuse talk." Your advice was not needed at all; because in most of my sociopolitical writings, I talk about hatred and put forth my thoughts on removing hatred from the world. When you write/think, "… you are full of it yourself …", you are plain wrong. I did not ignore hatred; I ignored "your talk", because your talk (of me being hateful) was unworthy of a response. But now I thank you for your caring talk about my health.
 
I generally do not wish to talk about any individual person, including myself. But since quite a few people, including yourself, in the internet forums talk about me, let me say a few things about myself.
 
When I was a student at Dhaka University in the 1970s, I used to live in a mostly Muslim-inhabited dorm. Some of my Muslim friends and I used to smoke from the same cigarette butt. I remember having a serious case of dysentery in 1979 after eating too much of beef when I visited a Muslim's friends village. I remember my brothers, sisters, their Muslim friends and me eating jackfruit pieces from the same bowl when I visited West Bengal. I remember at my niece's wedding in West Bengal, there were too many guests in the house, and my nephew and his friends, including Muslims boys, sleeping on the same big floor. I have established two scholarship/stipend funds in Bangladesh, and most of the money [~$1,000.00 (~Tk 80,000) that comes from bank interests annually] goes to Muslim students, as they are the majority there. I remember in 2012, after I came back from Bangladesh, I was showing some pictures to my children; and they smiled at one with me shaking hands with a cute girl wearing burqa while taking a top student award. Do these show that I hated the Muslims?
 
Now let me quote something that I recently wrote in response to Dr. Anisur Rahman's queries:
 
Begin Qoute: "As I say, when a Muslim took bath upstream in the river by my house in rural East Bengal, he/she probably urinated there; I had to take bath in that river; how could I think that he/she was untouchable to me? Muslims are indeed my brothers and sisters. Of course, most of them are too stupid when it comes to their religion; and certainly I am not proud of them. If I had the power, I would have Humanized them as soon as possible.
 
Now, your question of why Muslims are killing other Muslims? Here is the short version of my answer: They are too much into the irrational and unreal territory of their religion. So, they have a serious/deadly problem with people, including other Muslims, on what to do with their Allah, Mohammad, Quran, Hadit, etc. Because of their excessive religiosity, they follow or try to follow the prescriptions of their religion; and they are incapable of thinking with the common senses of right and wrong, justice and injustice, realities of the universe, etc. Without seeing natural realities, one could not advance in the fields of science, technology and other branches of knowledge, and as a consequence one would remain backward, poor, etc. This in turn, would make one vulnerable to committing criminal acts. It is a vicious cycle; and I am convinced that getting out of this cycle would require Muslims to stop brainwashing their children with Islam." End Quote.
 
I stand by every word I said above, not for telling you about me, but of all people in the world to live in justice, peace, dignity, human rights, etc.
 
To make it short for now, let me just ask you to try to correct your statement of, ""Barbarian atrocities" were not committed in Pakistan and Bangladesh against non-Muslims over the past 65 years."
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:57 AM, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:


Actually I don't want you to ignore the issue of hate at all.  You accused others of hating, when you are full of it yourself, so perhaps you need to explain yourself before accusing others.  Have you or your family been subjected to atrocities by Muslims which makes you so intolerant?  If so, I hope you will be able to heal and move beyond it, because such intolerance will only hurt you in the long run.  Anger affects our own health rather than the target of one's anger.

Here is the explanation you wanted:  "Barbarian atrocities" were not committed in Pakistan and Bangladesh against non-Muslims over the past 65 years.  They are a more recent phenomenon post 1971 which is less than 65 years.  Many of these atrocities in Pakistan at least, are committed not just on non-Muslims but also on Muslim minorities like Shias, Ahmedis and Ismailis.  In fact India has had more Hindu-Muslim riots over the past 65 years so you may want to fact check that one.  And India has not shared a border with Afghanistan and been directly affected by the war on terror the way Pakistan has. 

In Pakistan minorities lived in peace until its "Talibanization" following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and later the American invasion of Afghanistan post 9/11, which flooded Pakistan with Afghan Taliban refugees who have been wreaking havoc ever since.  In the meantime RAW has been adding fuel to fire too in Baluchistan and other places, just as ISI has been in Kashmir and East Punjab.  Thanks to US policies, Pakistan fell into the trap of training and promoting the Taliban against the Soviets and was then forced into the war on terror because Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan into the Stone Age if it did not co-operate.  Then the drone strikes continued where civilians became "collateral damage" which fueled more terrorism.  I don't suppose you use the term "barbarian atrocities" when Muslim civilians are the targets of drones do you?  Collateral damage is a more sanitized term :).

I thought I had explained already that Saudi funded madrasahs in both Pakistan and Bangladesh have flourished since the 70's which have radicalized both populations.  Saudi aid for Pakistan and Bangladesh have strings attached and promoting Wahabi intolerant Islam are those strings.  Incidentally Saudi Arabia is a great friend of the West and Israel and they have unlimited oil resources to promote their agenda in poor Muslim countries.

The answer once again lies in politics Mr. Bain, but you wish to find a reason to blame religion so suit yourself.  You are entitled to your opinions and prejudices, even if I think you are mistaken :). 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:01 PM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Well, Ms. Shaheen, let me ignore your pot-kettle-hate-excuse talk.
 
Could you please explain why over the last 65 years, Pakistan and Bangladesh Islamized the state, discriminated against and hated the non-Muslims, committed barbarian atrocities on them, and uprooted them from their homeland?
 
SuBain
 
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On Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:49 PM, "alishaheen2010@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




 
Is the pot calling the kettle black?!!!!!  Since you don't seem to have a religion, what is the source of your hate? I understand that you too have academic credentials, so what is your excuse?  Let us discuss issues without getting personal.

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On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:06 AM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Most of the time I ignore Farida Majid. She masquerades as a rational human being, but in reality her mind is subservient to the prescriptions of her religion, which obviously she cannot hide. I feel pity for her kind of people who, in spite of a good deal of academic accomplishment in humanities/sciences, remain captive to the stupidity and hatred of their religions.
 
SuBain
 
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On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 10:59 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Farida Majid's brain is partially blocked by the influence of her religion. So, it is quite unexpected that truthful and logical statements will emanate from such mind. Aurangzeb was one of the most ambitious ruthless emperors India ever had, which, unfortunately, is a pride for people like Farida.
History of Muslim rulers is not correctly documented, perhaps,  due to lack of proper education among Indians in that period. More than 500 years of Muslim rule, gave Indians Forts, Taj Mahal and mosques on the existing local temples.
On the contrary, 200 years of British rule educated Indians, and developed India by giving world class education system, judicial system, medical system, and communication system of that era, some of which they still use.
Jiten Roy 


 

From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists

 
It is funny that Muslims did not have any problem with two hundreds years of Mughal rule of India. But when democratic rule were to be introduced in 1947, all hell broke loose. Suddenly Muslims were afraid of loosing everything including democratic rights? So what did we get? Our peyara and pure Pakistan! How did that experiment go? Do I need to elaborate any further? One wing is ruled by strong military and the other did not hesitate to kill its founder. And democratic rule is still a dream for the masses and our Jeffersonian BNP cadres. We should blame Hindus, Jews and Christians because they did teach and show us the road to the democracy. They cheated us and now we have to kill each other to establish the rule of heaven? What word you do not understand? 

Farida, thank God English came, exploited us and enlightened us than having more Aurangebs ruling this great country of Bharat for another two hundreds more. Mughals are no less foreigners than English.     
 




On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:15 PM, "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Shaheen,
       Sukhmay Bain is a tiresome troll whose heart is blackened by a communal rage.  He says outrageously absurd  things against the Muslims day after day, month after month, year after year.

          Now, you can feel like appeasing him by saying things against Aurangzeb -- the Emperor who brought the Mughal Empire to the zenith of its glory. The British started this bad-mouthing about Aurangzeb in broad generalizations (with the idea of upholding the European superiority over a degenerate Muslim ruler) -- none of the allegations hold up when examined in detail.  There is new scholarship available with surprising evidences of the glory of Aurangzeb's rule, both at home and abroad.  The Mughal Empire lasted 100 yrs after Aurangzeb's death, and the prosperity was undiminished until the British started robbing India's wealth -- outright looting!
             Also, the British did not "rule" India for several centuries.  There was a commercial outfit -- the East India Company -- that did the looting in the guise of doing trade. It was not until after 1857 War of Resistance fought against the British Company by both Hindus and Muslims of India (I refuse to call it Sepoy Mutiny) that the British Empire officially gobbled India.


Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists
From: alishaheen2010@gmail.com
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com

Incredible!  Do say more on how it began in 7th. century Arabia?  Did Muhammad call for the division of India?!  He negotiated the Madina Charter to make peace with Jews, Christians and pagans whereby they were considered part of the Muslim community.  Have you studied the history of 7th. century Arabia Mr. Bain?

There was Muslim rule in India but the decline started with Aurangzeb.  More recently there was British rule in India for several centuries too.  So why the animosity between Muslims and Hindus but not Christians and Hindus or Christians and Muslims?  Because the Muslim population was larger and they wanted their share of resources and power which the Hindu majority was not willing to share.  Jinnah did not want independence.  Like Mujib, he wanted autonomy, and like Mujib he too was forced to declare independence because of the pig headedness of majority Hindus and the stubbornness of Nehru and his secret deals with the British thanks to his "friendship" with Mrs. Mountbatten.  

Similarly Bangalis who were at the forefront of the Pakistan independence movement got tired of being colonized and persecuted by Pakistanis and their refusal to share power even after Awami League won the elections in 1971.  Open your eyes to politics Mr. Bain - it is more than religion, it is about power and resources, but religion is used every step of the way to manipulate the masses.  It was the Pakistani army that killed Hindus in East Pakistan in 1971 and it is the Saudi funded madrasahs that are now promoting anti-Hindu propaganda in Bangladesh.  It is not Islam it is politics, and religion is only being used to serve political agendas.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:42 AM, 'Sukhamaya Bain' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
The deadly legacy did not begin in 1947 in the Indian subcontinent. It began in the 7th century Arabia.
Look, if it were just the 1947 India, neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan would have had Islam in the business of the state. If these two countries were respectful of the non-Muslims of the land, today they would be competing friendly with India on secular humanism, justice, peace, science, technology, and prosperity. Blaming it all on 1947, the British rulers, etc. is really diverting the reality of the last 65 years. (Assume the first 3 years to be the unavoidable turbulent time after the partition).
I would not be surprised if Nisid Hajari is paid by the pan-Islamic powers/interest groups.
 
SuBain
 
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On Monday, June 15, 2015 11:16 PM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists To This Day

June 09, 2015 1:49 PM ET
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947. i
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947.
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On how Muslims felt alienated from the independence movement



Part of [Gandhi's] genius was he was able to broaden out the appeal of the independence movement, which, until that movement, had been restricted to fairly wealthy lawyers and landowners and so on, who would debate things like percentages in these legislatures ... but he broadened it out to the masses. But the way he did it was by using Hindu iconography and stories, mythology, every evening he would have a prayer meeting where they would chant Hindu hymns but also read from the Quran and so forth. He was personally very unprejudiced about this, but his natural background was Hindu and his audience was almost entirely Hindu and he appealed to them in the language that they understood. But for Muslims, ordinary Muslims, who would see this and listen to these speeches and so forth, he seemed like a Hindu figure more than a national figure — not all Muslims, of course, but a great many of them.


http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/indias-1947-partition-and-the-deadly-legacy-that-persists-to-this-day


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