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Monday, December 28, 2009

[ALOCHONA] Maudud on Mujib!!!



Not so fast.

 

Nothing written by Alochoks Akbar and Saif actually challenges a single point in Alochok Asgar's original mail.

 

Asgor maybe wrong (and he is wrong about Mujib being a Hitlar!) but he certainly can't lose this particular argument to a set of vagaries and generalizations.

 

I respectfully disagree with Akbar's defence of Mujib. Respectfully because I believe his defence is sincere and well intentioned. But for the sake of the argument - and thats the most important thing - let's rumble. I agree that Mujib's successes cannot be washed away by his blunders. But the point is that his successes are not in question here. This kind of defence represents much more than just the kindest understanding of a great man. It represents fundamental flaws in our national approach to problem solving and fundamental flaws in the way we measure ourselves and our leaders. And it all started with Mujib. Akbar's defence belittles Mujib because it renders Mujib ultimately unaccountable and portrays him as a floundering, forgivable maternal grandfather. Akbar's defence translates aggressive action against democracy and the silencing of opposition into well intentioned blunders. He turns a blind eye to Mujib's decisions which set the tone and the course of our poor nation's history to date. You can't do that brother, no matter how much you love him. Because Bangladesh is bigger than Mujib.

 

I disrespectfully disagree with Saif's defence of Mujib. Spare us the eulogies. Mujib was the greatest leader of our Independence. Fine. Save the immortality, phenomena, legend and paternalism of Mujib for a convention of black jackets. Get over him and get over yourself. Respect for Mujib does not translate into a blank cheque. Saif's defence of Mujib is as horrid as Akbar's defence is sweet. As Saif is the devil's advocate for Mujib I will be the devil's advocate against Mujib.

 

Hey Saif! Here kity kitty! Come to Daddy!

 

1. Barrister Maudud Ahmed is an idiot who has no concept of democracy. He certainly does not influence anyone's opinion on anything. Just as he does not influence any opinion of Saif's. Its just convenient for Saif to quote Maudud in this instance.

2. Nobody denies Mujib's leadership of the struggle for Independence. But stop using that as an answer to questions on post independence subjects.

3 .Yes he was a symbol of Bengalee nationalism. That's all he was. Think about it. We needed a symbol to rally around. Full credit to Mujib for his symbolism.

4. The absence of Washington, Churchill, Gandhi, Mandela, King and Bolivar would only have delayed their triumphs. Stop saying we would still be Pakistanis in 2009 without Mujib in 1971.

5. India also had it's own reasons for leaving Bangladesh it wasn't just a courtesy to Mujib. It probably saw the mess that was coming and didnt want to be involved! Understandable!

6. Funny how you guys trumpet Mujib's freeing us from Indian subjugation in 1971 and then denounce any suggestion that India might want to exploit us in 2009!

7. Mujib sent out the Indian army? The Indian Army withdrew after it got what it wanted. It probably had UN pressure and didn't want to get caught up in reconstruction work! Understandable!

8. You talk about India's disgust at Mujib attending the Lahore summit! Their disgust was not even a factor. Its not like you mentioned that we Bengalees were disgusted!

9. And you have the unmitigated gall, the audacity, the chutzpah, the tawdriness to justify the removal of Tajuddin!

10. Yes, Pakistan did not want Mujib to be a martyr. He was well looked after as was his family in Dhaka. We thank God none of them were ever in any danger.

11. Mujib's return sure did give us a deep sense of relief. Too bad that relief didn't last long at all! Did it?

12. The Bangladesh Aid Group in 1974 was established under the aegis of the World Bank - not Mujib. Even today our leaders expect applause for attending donor meetings.

13. Mujib left Bangladesh free and independent. So did all our martyrs. Mujib also left our nation hooked on aid, corruption, nepotism, incompetence, sentimentality and irrationality.

14. Mujib gets all the credit for Independence and his long serving advisors get all the discredit for the mess that followed. Yeah right.

 

Mujib remains our greatest leader. He can be lionized as long as he is fully accountable for both his triumphs and his disasters.

 

Both Akbar's defence and Saif's defence of post Independence Mujib perpetuate a kind of thinking that keeps us enslaved to sentimentality and mediocrity. Just as they forgive every wrong decision of Mujib so we forgive every wrong decision of our Nethris. Just as they ignore every crime committed in the name of Mujib so we ignore every crime committed in the name of our Nethris. Just as they hold Mujib unaccountable for our administration so we hold our Nethris unaccountable for our administration. Just as they blame advisors rather than Mujib so we blame advisors rather than our Nethris.

 

Is Mujib�'s post independence assault on democracy in anyway responsible for the assault on democracy under every leader we ever had since?

 

It is strange that we really understood the meaning of democracy back in 1970. And lost the plot ever since…..

 

And so it came to pass, in that magical land called Bangladesh, that the man who inspired men to sacrifice their lives for an election result, then banned elections and newspapers and democratic rights. And he still turned out to be the greatest democrat of the last four decades. 

 

Nothing sucks like mediocrity.

 

Ezajur Rahman

Kuwait    

 

 

 

 

 

 

RE: [ALOCHONA] Maudud on Mujib!!!

 

Amen Mr. Hussain!

Not that your rational comments will have any effect on these chaps who are obsessed with their own abysmal failures of imagination and are clutching at straws cover up the vile they are spewing. But thank you for speaking up!
Robin Khundkar

-----Original Message-----
From: Akbar Hussain
Sent: Dec 22, 2009 6:55 AM
To: alochona group
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Maudud on Mujib!!!

 

There is no doubt that the post 1971 political skills of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman are questionable and debatable but his personal dedication to the cause of Bengali nationalism is indisputable. To every Bengali the dream of a sovereign land where only the Bengalis will rule is a dream entrenched in the antiquity. Through the dedicated leadership of Mujib that historical dream was realized. Mujib did not die for his blunders; he was brutally murdered for his blind reliance on his most incapable, selfish and dishonest followers. His sincere and selfless contributions to the cause of our freedom can’t be washed away by his mistakes. Ask and hold those followers responsible who pathetically misled and ill advised a great leader that brought a tragic end to his career. It will be an act most ungrateful to opine that Mujib could be trashed in the garbage of history. There is no harm in identifying his lapses but it will be an outright act of ignorance and disrespect to malign and vilify him by denying him the dignity he deserves.

Akbar Hussain


 


To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: emanur@rahman.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:41:45 +0000
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Maudud on Mujib!!!

 

Dear Alochoks

 

It never ceases to amaze me what sycophants and idol worshippers us Bangladeshis are.

 

Mujib was a great wartime leader. He inspired and led Bangladeshis to secure independence from the Pakistani yoke. He is the Father of the Nation and Bangabandhu.

 

Mujib was an incompetent administrator, a poor father to his children, pompous and obsessed with self-egrandisement. His legacy is the politicization of every organ of government - a legacy that millions of Bangladeshis have paid for with their lives every year since Independence, they are paying today and will continue to do so.

 

I celebrate Independence and Mujib's role in it.

 

I mourn independent Bangladesh and Mujib's role in it.

 

Period.

 

Emanur Rahman

London

 

 

 


From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SAIF Davdas
Sent: 25 November 2009 14:21
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Subject: [ALOCHONA] Maudud on Mujib!!!


The
unmitigated gall, the audacity, the chutzpah, the tawdriness--is truly lamentable indeed. How else one can respond to this invective, vituperative and blatantly partisan diatribe by anti-Mujib forces in Bangladesh. Let the forum members judge Bongobondoo after reading a excerpt from Barrister Maudud Ahmed's book--writes Maudud, "Greatest Bengali of All Time…Mujib is the greatest phenomena of our history. His death was not his end. He will continue to remain as a legend in the political life of Bangladesh. No body gave so much to the Bengalis political independence and national identity. He was the symbol of Bengalee Nationalism. The fact that there is a country called Bangladesh is a sufficient testimony to Mujib’s status as a legend of our age.  Despite Mujib’s many failures, the fact that Mujib was sincere and his intentions were genuine and that he loved his people should not be questioned. As a Nationalist he tried his best to bring Bangladesh out of the Indian subjugation. He was able to send out the Indian army from the soil of Bangladesh within 2 months after his arrival. He flew over Indian Territory to their utter disgust to attend the Islamic summit in Lahore. He established the Aid to Bangladesh Consortium in 1974. He removed Tajuddin to reduce the weight of Indo-Soviet influence. Mujib’s return to Bangladesh in itself saved the new country from further and perpetual subjugation. Had Mujib been killed by the Pakistani Junta he would have been immortal and would have become the greatest martyr of our history. If he had been killed by the Pakistanis---there would have been a civil war and the country would still be under Indian Army’s control. Mujib’s arrival from Pakistan brought a deep sense of relief to all the people of Bangladesh who were living in the midst of most dangerous uncertainties.  It seems that Mujib came back from the pedestal of an immortal betting only to die for saving the independence for which he struggled. It is true that Mujib faced a tragic death but he left Bangladesh free and independent. Maudud Ahmed P 313-318 ‘Era of Sheikh Mujibur Rahmanâ€. ‘Mujib’s arrival from Pakistan brought a deep sense of relief to all the people of Bangladesh, who were living in the midst of most dangerous uncertainties’.
 
SaifDevdas

islam1234@msn.com


To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
CC: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; witness-pioneer@yahoogroups.com; progressive-muslim@yahoogroups.com; political_analysts@yahoogroups.com
From: enayet_2000@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:50:23 -0800
Subject: [khabor.com] General Zia was in the thick of 1975 killings in Dhaka: Zia is the savior!

 


Zia saved the country from the anarchy, Zia is the true savior. Zia is the most post-liberation progressive leader of bangladesh. While Seikh Mujib has a premitive thinking of Hitlar to be a dictator, and destroy democracy to instill his kingdom in Bangladesh, Zia thrives the country in the right direction.

Truth has to be told, history need to be said properly.

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:


From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
Subject: RE: [khabor.com] FW: [Mukto-Mona] Re: General Zia was in the thick of 1975 killings in Dhaka
To: khabor@yahoogroups.com
Cc: dahuk@yahoogroups.com, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, witness-pioneer@yahoogroups.com, "progressive-muslim@yahoogroups" <progressive-muslim@yahoogroups.com>, political_analysts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:46 AM

 

 

Dear sirs,

 

Assalamu Alaikum.General Zia did nothing on 15th Auguast. There is no proof.Even the case in which Bangladesh Supreme Court has given judgment , there is no mention of Zia,.As Maudud Ahmad has said the judgment shows that Zia had no role.

 

Zia saved the country from falling back to Awami League’s BAKSHAL rule, one party dictatorship and also re-asserted the Islamic identity of the nation.

 

No other nation or group other than Bangladesh Army was involved. All other things are just Awami propaganda.

 

Shah Abdul Hannan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: khabor@yahoogroups. com [mailto:khabor@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kaljatri@emailme. net
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:02 AM
To: khabor@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [khabor.com] FW: [Mukto-Mona] Re: General Zia was in the thick of 1975 killings in Dhaka

 

 


WRT: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mukto- mona/message/ 52503

> The agents of Pakistan had already infiltrated into the army and
> started conspiring to kill the nascent democratic process brought
> on under the civilian political rule. The killers got support from
> the conspirator of all times named Gen. Ziaur Rahman.

  Pakistani agents infiltrated Baksali supported army in 1975 ??
  What a
  ridiculous claim. No scholarly article/book has ever made such a
  funny claim. The BD army in 1975 was very much a pro-Bangladeshi
  force who had played the leading role in the war of liberation
  against the Paki army. The officers who killed Mujib and toppled
  Baksali regime were all active freedom fighters with missionary
  zeal, unlike many AL leaders who were enjoying the sensuous
  pleasures in Kolkata the entire time during the liberation
  struggle). These army officers were all against Pakistani Gov. and
  supportive of liberation war. They staked their life for it. Why
  would they suddenly become Paki lovers in 1975? Doe it make sense?
  It makes sense for them to become anti Mujib/Baksal. They were not
  anti-AL even. They installed an AL gov. headed by Balist Moshtaque
  comprising majority of then then AL parliament members

  The reason they turned against Mujib and Baksal is manyfold. But
  none of those manyfold reasons had anything to do with
  infiltration by Pakistani elements. The manyfold reasons have all
  been well documented by many scholarly writings by professional
  journalists and intellectuals/ historians. In a nutshell the reason
  were the rampant corruption by AL/Baksal, the undemocratic
  measures widely adopted by Mujib to silence/torture opposition and
  keep his power through using Rakkhi Bahini and other private
  armies (like Lal Bahini, Awami Shechchha Shebok Bahini etc). There
  was widespread public resentment against the Mujib regime from
  1974 onwards. So much so that ASM Rob could declare "Mujib, we
  will peel your skin and make shoes out of it" to the thunderous
  applause of hundreds of thousands attending his rally in Paltan.
  Adding fuel to fire was the insulting of some army officers by
  some AL hooligans and Mujib's siding with the hooligans. None of
  these had anything to do with Pakistani elements. As I said the
  army  majors who fought against Pakistan in 1971 had no reason to
  suddenly become Pakistan lovers in 1975. In fact majors Farook and
  Rashid were very much nationalists then as they were during 1971
  and totally opposed to the idea of reverting to one Pakistan. On
  page 87 of Anthony Mascarenhas' "Bangladesh: A legacy of Blood"
  Mascarenhas mentions that if Moshtaq had dared to unite BD with
  Pakistan (There were rumours to that effect at that time) then "he
  would have been immediately killed by Majors Farook and Rashid,
  both staunch nationalists"

  Zia was no Paki lover either, nor had any reason to be either. Zia
  mentioned to Mascarenhas that he had been 'extremely suspicious
  about Moshtaq hobnobbing with Pakistanis' (mentioned on page 88 of
  Legacy of Blood).

  The fact is they had every reason to become anti Mujib in 1975,
  not pro pakistan. Anti Mujib does not mean Pro-Pak, a simple logic
  that does not get through the skull of Awamists, just like
  criticising Islam does not mean being pro-Christian/ pro-American/
  Pro-India, a logic that does not get through the thick skull of
  Islamists. In fact by diverting the blame to fictitious Pro-paki
  elements the Awamist try to deflect the attention away from their
  own misdeeds that led to the revolution and subsequent killing
  in 1975.

>"conspiring to kill the nascent democratic process brought on
> under the civilian political rule"
>

 ??? What a joke. It is pathetic how unabashedly one can make such a
  remark. It was Baksal who killed democracy. Does democracy mean
  installing a one party rule? Does democracy mean banning all
  newspapers except four that toes the official line? Does democracy
  mean raising private militia to suppress political opposition.
  Maybe thats what Awamists define as democracy. Just like the
  Islamists declare an Islamic state as the true form of democracy
  to them, the Awamists/Balists equate AL/Baksal rule as democracy.
  Any other option is undemocratic to Awamists just as it is to
  Islamists.

  "The killers got support from the conspirator of all times named
  Gen. Ziaur Rahman."??

  Another unsubstantiated claim by the Awamists. If by supporting
  means "not preventing the killing of Mujib" then not just Gen Zia,
  then the entire nation, including the majority of the then AL
  parliament members who joined the "killers" supported Mushtaq
  government can be said to have supported the killers. None did
  anything to protest/prevent the killing of Mujib. The ONLY person
  who laid down his life to protect Mujib was an army officer who
  was not even a freedom fighter, made no attempt to escape Pakistan
  in 1971 and was repatriated after independence. He was Colonel
  Jamil. He was just doing his duty as professional army offcier
  assigned to protect the presdient.

  Gen Zia did not do anything pro-active to support the killers nor
  did he do anything to stop them. But in no way did he offer
  support to the killers. In fact in Mascarenhas' Legacy of Blood on
  page 51 Mascarenhas mentions that Gen Zia was one among major
  Farook's hit list of army officers potentially offering resistance
  to their missions thus may have to be eliminated. Mascarenhas
  mentions on page 91 that Farook and Rashid had even considered
  arresting Zia along with Khaled Mosharraf.

  The responsibilty for stopping the majors from their mission lied
  not on Zia, but on Army Chief Gen Shafiullah, a veteran freedom
  fighter and AL's pick at that time. Even he must have felt so
  disgusted with AL/Baksal not to have risked going against the tide
  of Baksal Hotao operation. The entire events of 1975 had nothing
  to do with Pro-Pak or pro- anything. Most people who welcomed the
  elimination of Mujib were not pro-Pak, they were anti Mujib (Mujib
  as known b/w 1972-75). Many of them were Mujib lovers up until
  1973. There was no need or reason for Mujib killers to be Pro-Pak.
  Mujib had already offered Bhutto a red carpet reception, got
  Pakistan's recognition of BD, and wooed the Islamic countires for
  joining OIC, which he did. And Pakistan then was ruled by Bhutto's
  PPP party, Bhutto was an atheist and PPP was clearly soft towards
  socialist ideas. So what's there for the killers to be pro Pak
  unless they wer also very much an admirer of Bhutto, they
  obviously were not. The unpleasant bitter pill of truth that
  Awamists would not rather have people know is that there was
  exchanging of sweets after the news of Mujib's death. Majority
  were heaving a sigh of relief. A general sense of relief was felt
  among the mass. The only feeling of fear and uncertaintly that the
  Awamist is referring to was in fact a fear of reverting to status
  quo through some counter coup, or of a civil war between the
  supporters of AL and the new regime, which did not happen at all.
  The BAL/Baksal supporters simply had no moral courage to fight
  back knowing full well what kind of misdeeds they had committed
  between 1972-75 and the level of public resentment/disencha ntment
  against them. There is no need to have been alive and witnessed it
  first hand to see that. If the valiant freedom fighters and the
  people fought against the Pak military and laid down 3 million (an
  exaggeration but touted by Awamists, even if it was hundreds of
  thousands still a huge sacrifice) then if the killing of Mujib was
  unpopular with the people and was actually committed by Pro-paki
  elements, then there would surely would have been a similar mass
  movement against it. If popular uprising could defeat a formidable
  and unified Pak army with all their military machine and numbers,
  such a mass movement surely could have defeated a handful of
  junior officers with six antiquated tanks (The bulk of the army
  navy air force were not even under the command of those four
  majors). That in itself proves the lack of popular outcry against
  the killing of Mujib and against the end of Baksal. It is the
  condoning and tacit support by the masses for which the 1975
  revolt and killing met with no resistance. Anyone with a
  common sense can put two and two together and come to that
  conclusion.

  It is ironic that this Awamist and many others shed crocodile
  tears for Col Taher for being hanged by Zia's military court. Do
  they shed tears for Siraj Sikdar when he was killed by simply
  shooting on his back at Mujib's behest, which later Mujib bragged
  about saying "Kothay aaj Siraj Sikdar?". Taher did the most
  unprofessional thing in the army and he received army punishment
  for that. It was not Zia who used Taher but the other way around.
  It was Taher and the red brigade of Jashod who used Zia's
  popularity in the army to accomplish their red revolution using
  Zia as the front man knowing full well that he (Taher) or the
  Jashod brigade would not command that level of respect or
  acceptibility because of their bloody agenda of mass slaughter of
  entire army officer corps and elite of the society eventually if
  successfull. Zia tactfully managed Taher in turn to save the army
  from such a massacre and anarchy, or stop the massacre from
  further spreading. It is more ironic that Awamists praise Taher
  when in fact Taher and Jashod symbolized anti Mujibism. They would
  also have killed Mujib had thay gotten the opportuine moment.
  (Remenember Rob's declaration of peeling Mujib's skin to make
  shoes out of?) In fact they did not condemn or protest killing of
  Mujib but considered it as the first dirty step done by others so
  they could proceed with their own bloody red scheme, exploiting
  Zia's popularity.

  The rest of the ramblings about Zia's role in August killing is
  the Awamists personal spin on the events in 1971. It shows lack of
  professionalism and objectivity. One can only hope to get the best
  picture of what happened in 1975 and beyond by reading
  professional articles and books, not spin stories by Awami
  bigots,leftist Jashod fanatics or the Islamists. History is
  merciless, it does not necessarily favour one side or the other or
  all.

  - Jamil Asgor


 

 


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The unmitigated gall, the audacity, the chutzpah, the tawdriness--is truly lamentable indeed. How else one can respond to this invective, vituperative and ...

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Dear Alochoks It never ceases to amaze me what sycophants and idol worshippers us Bangladeshis are. Mujib was a great wartime leader. He inspired and led...

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