Dear Mr. Aziz, Mr. Turkman and Other Readers:
It is easy to get carried away into the vortex of conflicting issues if we do not take on board, patience and constructive critocims of opposing view holders on board.
I agree that the nourishment of freedom of speech in EU (sorry but I do have further reservations about the US) is held high but these rights are often manipulated and misguided in the name of atrocious laws as rightly said by Karl Marx once that law is the toll of oppression by the ruler. Al must agree that during and soon after second world war - may fundamental human rights were currauled even for the UK citizens in UK for the sake of national security and I believe these sorts of checks should be allowed when national security is doomed but the question is for how long and for how much?
TURKMAN: Until the problem exists.
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The recent atrocities and threats of atrocities in the West has very reasonable justifications of putting a check on people at random or even basing on their religious and national entities whilst visiting the West - esxpecially the US. I was more than once checked by the authorities and I have had no reason to worry as the authorities did explain that it was a random checking even though it did appear to me that the system did target me. It is also true that the criminals do not necessarily have to wear a beard to pose a threat and even may be of European origin.
TURKMAN: I think, profiling is a better way and they should only check the teens to the ones up to 38 years old because all the Terrorists are covered in that age group. Women and Children should be spared because not many children and women have blown themselves up. The problem is, I have seen a 90 years old White American Lady being picked for special screening and a famous Jewish Movie Actor here in USA.
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But it is not true as well that we are not curtailed of our freedom of expressions in the West. It is not at all right to presume that our thoughts can be told at full. Here are some examples:
The issue of Palestinians blowing themselves up - although I do not support the act at all but it is also true that these acts do emanate from decades of utter frustration and from series of torture by the Israeli regime which is being backed blindly by the US government. Mrs. Blair was subjected to severe criticisms and even calls were made by the media to boycot her when she had expressed that she did feel the utter frustration of the Palestinians.
TURKMAN: Palestinian cause is a victim of 9/11.
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There are criminals and crazy people in Iraq who are against peace but its is also true that there are people in that country who want to see the Americans go and if they declare war and pick up arms in defence of the liberty of their motherland - West will never allow them to be called 'freedom fighters' as under the 'glorification' clause of the Terrorims Act 2006 in UK or under the Homeland Security Act of the US. An example of this is the comments against George Galloway MP (UK) when he had done so. What about many MPs in UK who had lost their party nominations after they had mentioned that the UK parliament was a poodle of the zionist regime? Or what about the Historian who had questioned the depth of the authenticity of the German atrocities on the zews? Or what about the several examples of money lending scandals from the zewish peers in UK and what about Mr. Lor Levi being posted as a Minister even though he was part of the money lending scandal in the British Government?
TURKMAN: Democracy is, what majority of people think, not what you think. Osama and Mollaas should have thought about it before starting it.
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I don't know why Mr. Turkman talks as always baselessly and without examples. I challenge that the Western view is not democratic.
TURKMAN: Whichever system creates a better society and keeps people satisfied giving them all their rights is Democratic. Does any of our systems do that? If you do not like Western views, go back to Bangladesh and fight with your Mollaas ...!
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We do go their for practical means of survitude and benefits of this world but that does not mean we the people of the East are blindly unethical. What do you call the US policy or the Amnesty International's report about US being the worst violators of Human Rights in the world?
TURKMAN: Not really 'the worst'. USA is the only country of the world where Illegal Aliens have a right to come on the streets to protest and vandalize demanding they should be granted citizenship. Tell me, which country of the world permits this kind of attitude?
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If you do not know the statistics - please ask me brother but Mr. Turkman's utter use of bad and vulgar language proves the point that either he has a close relative in the family who is White Christian American and that has pushed him to be utterly biased or he has lost the plot simply because he is uninformed. We do not have any grudges about white, yellow or blue or even against people of other faiths but we must not be carried away blindly.
TURKMAN: Yeah, this is why, when I was a Teenager, my country's people used to make fun of me because of my too fair complexion and good looks that my mother must have had slept with an Iranian to have a boy like me. Of course, I had Anglo-Indian Christian Friends before I arrived in USA and all my wife's relatives and a lot of my friends are White American Christians and they are a lot better people than my Daishi Moslim, Hindu and Sikh friends.
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As for Islam I have only a few excerpts from the Quran and that should suffice for Muslims travelling to other country:
Sura Al Araf:
On Entry into new city:
161. And (remember) when it was said to them: "Dwell in this town (Jerusalem) and eat therefrom wherever you wish, and say, '(O All�h) forgive our sins'; and enter the gate prostrate (bowing with humility). We shall forgive you your wrong-doings. We shall increase (the reward) for the good-doers."
And we must respect their laws but not at the cost of our souls and you want us out of there?
TURKMAN: That Verse was for the city, where 1st Qiblaa of Moslims was located, not for any Western City. Allah doesn't consider those Moslims, who live amongst Non Moslims. Read Verse 8 : 72 ...! I'm violating that verse myself because I think, its now obsolete. I haven't sold my soul. Your Soul is possessed by Demon of Tribalism and backwardness and this is why becoming civilized means selling your soul to you.
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Surprised - how you became a poodle as you decided not to enter into the world of intellectual battle. Allah made us poor financially but spiritually rich so that we can all work for the spread of Islam - the only peaceful life. Read Sura Al Araf it also teaches us to be patient as people will surely hurl abuses.
TURKMAN: Spread the word for what? To make USA become another corrupt country like Bangladesh or Pakistan? And I can see, how patient you are by hurling abuses at me, calling me a Poodle.
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I don't know under law of which country the Government can cease passports for ever as suggested by Mr. Turkman but is a good advise to lecture the prospective migrant to advise them about foreign culture as adopted by Phillipines (Post Departure Seminar) - Mr. Turkman you forgot to give an example and I am giving it for all.
Read my latest article
http://www.thedailystar.net/law/2008/05/05/index.htm
Sincerely,
Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights Advocate
TURKMAN: You are again showing lack of your General Knowledge. Passport has been Government Property of the country that issues it since the first Passport was issued in this world. It can be confiscated, whenever any issuing Government wants to. Go Read the Booklet smart Alec ...! Passport is not a right. Its a privilege. Stop acting like a Know-all, when you are a Knows-nothing ...!
Best of all, learn to spell words instead of giving readers such a hard time trying to understand, what the hell you have written ...! You have more than a dozen spelling mistakes in your above post. Please do not converse with me Mollaa, I have no time for illiterate ignorant nuts like you.
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
I have no idea, why these people can find a Conspiracy Theory behind everything that goes wrong with our saintly people anywhere.
Nilkanto Chowdhury <nilkanto@myway.com> wrote:
There are people who are working against Bangladeshi in Middle East so that they can ruin Bangladeshi job market there and get benifite from that. Our government and people should speak up about that. Please be aware of that kind of people and media. Well, people from all nations are doing nusty things. We don't blame the full nation for that, do we? Why then Bangladeshi?
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