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Monday, July 9, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Muntassir Mamoon, a Professor with true courage! A lone soldier too?



History is bunk, said Henry Ford.  Neither Science, nor History corrects itself without human endeavor.  We have seen Aristotlean Science reigning supreme for thousands of years.  As Bertrand Russell wondered on Aristotle's observation that women has less number of teeth (apparently lacking wisdom!), if the later had enough wisdom to check it in his wife's mouth.  Such wise scientists abound even today.  David Baltimore, a Nobel Laureate, was asked to quit his job as President of Rockefeller University for having defended falsification of data in his research group on insisting that "Science has the inherent ability to correct itself".

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Prof. Mamun's sharp pen is not only comical but he also points out how History of a country can be changed if enough idiots get their Bangladeshi History thesis approved by their non-critical supervisors and bogus external examiners. It basically boils down to writing up some rubbish around certain famous or infamous people of Bangladesh during the tumultuous time our History and take it to the finish line. The new historical thesis based on mainly presumptions, lies and self-gratifying exaggerations of certain villains will then be used as solid references for the next generations of new thesis. And, in no time, people who opposed Bangladesh independence would be portrayed as heroes while the true freedoms fighters/victims can be shown as villains of 1971 liberation war.  It is strange that this is happening right in front of many of our surviving witnesses of that liberation war. Their only fault is that their naivety about the History. Many of us think History will correct itself as Science does but that is a total fallacy. Historical facts should be challenged but the rebuttal should be fast and furious before the non-believers attack the next historical fact. I do not know how long Prof. Mamun can fight this war alone with an opponent who has both infinite amount of money and muscle? Ironically, when a governmental force promotes the lies for its advantage, we might see a quick distortion of our History within another generation. Are we ready to fight this trend or should we be relying only people like Prof. Mamun tackle the problem?
 
What do you think?
 
A concerned citizen,
-SD  
 
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] British Army in India in 1858



 "Crowning Jewel"?  The term is rather 'Jewel in the Crown'.  British Army in India was not the biggest army in any single country till date.  The Mughal Army was much bigger in previous days and even when it faced the British on different occasions.  The superior quality of the British guns and better discipline in their army brought them the victory.   

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
 


                     Now you know how keen the British were to make India the "Crowning Jewel" of the Empire!  How scared they were of the very idea of 'India'!  No wonder then why they could not tolerate the idea of leaving it intact when the Crown had to give it up.  If only we did not suffer so miserably from our inferiority complex -- but the that is the PSYOP trick they played on us and we are continuing their game to this day ---
                                                                                         Farida Majid

British Army in India , biggest army in any single country in history till that date in 1858 for fighting Indian rebels

British Army in India , biggest army in any single country in history till that date in 1858 for fighting Indian rebels

The Honourable Sir John William Fortescue KCVO (28 December 1859 – 22 October 1933) was a British military historian.

Fortescue is best known for his monumental work on the British Army, which he wrote between 1899 and 1930. During most of this time (from 1905 to 1926) he was working as the librarian of Windsor Castle. In 1911, he was elected to deliver the Ford Lectures at Oxford University. He served as president of the Royal Historical Society from 1921 to 1925.

Fortescue wrote as following about strength of British troops in India in 1857-58:--

" Never ,I think, before 1858 , there had been a British army of equal strength in any one country--a vast country , it is true--as in India during the Mutiny.Excluding the British troops in the East India Company's service , there were in India at the end of 1858 eight regiments of British cavalry and sixty-eight battalions of British infantry."

This makes all three Afghan Wars , English East India Companys successful humbling of China in two opium wars and humbling of Iran in 1856 , minor military affairs.


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Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)




"Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says."  Really?


The prophet also asked his followers to follow Quran and Sunnah before using their own judgement.  Ain't the message clear?  There is a plenty of contradictions in the 'Holy" Quran.  Can any body verify contradictory statements without resorting the whole thing as rantings of an inconsistent mind?
 
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

QR Said: As a Muslim, I was surprised when I learn that, Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says.

_____________________________

 

Quran said really nice thing - verify what you believe in. I like that spirit.

But, the question is - how can you verify all those amenities of heaven that Quran promises believers will enjoy in the afterworld, including the promise of 72 Virgins, etc.? You can't.

Also, people are interested in religion to assure a safe ride in the after world. How can you verify that promise?  No one can.

You need to establish your faith with verification, not with blind faith. You can trust something as a starting point only – then verify it to establish your confidence. If a religion says - do not hurt anyone on purpose; you can believe in it, and you can apply it in your life to reap heavenly benefits. That's the right way to go about religion. I agree!

Jiten Roy

--- On Thu, 7/5/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:


From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 1:34 PM


 
"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
 
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.


>>>>>>>>> Member Subimal's statement/observation is closer to how a "Religious" person sees religion and member Roy's observation reflects how a anti-religious person view's religion.

Also it is right that, most religions spoke against gambling. Even in the US tax on alcohol and gambling is often called as "Sin tax". Most of the time taxes are high on these activities.

As a Muslim, I was surprised when I learn that, Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says. It also asks us to reflect and use our wisdom. To me it is a very pragmatic book that is often "Worshiped" (But not followed!) by some backward people.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 8:28 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)

 
"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
 
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.
 
--- On Sun, 7/1/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 4:04 PM

 
Guess (the name of the girl:-* kiss who has put her beautiful palms on your eyes), wild guess (no clue and hence choose option D), educated guess (options A and B have been eliminated and hence choose between C and D), speculation (invest in Company A), etc. are not synonymous. Of these, the phrase "wild guess" has a negative connotation. In this case the guesser has absolutely no clue about the possible outcome. Even in this case "faith" has no role. A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved. He acts with 100% confidence. There are, however, "partial" believers (skeptics!) (I have met people belonging to this group) who are not risk averse at all when it comes to religion and hence acts like a believer although sometimes in a loosely bound way.  
 
I think all the great religions have spoken against gambling. Sage Manu has disapproved of gambling. From Mahabharata we know that the pious kings had the custom of gambling. Yuthisthira lost in gambling his entire kingdom and even his and his four brothers' common wife Draupadi. Probably the author of this epic Vyasadev was also not in favor of gambling. 
 
Economic history points to the fact that speculation in stock markets can be catastrophic. No doubt there is fun and excitement and sorrow as well associated with gambling. We have seen how gambling, wine, women can go hand in hand to ruin a person or a whole family. That's why I think religious prohibitions may be rooted in preserving or promoting the welfare of the followers.
 
Having said all this, I am not against gambling as a fun and gambling as a fund raising mechanism.     
      

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
 
We sometime commit resources in our personal lives purely based on faith. We do it in quest of some sort of gain. This is gambling. Even though people may get handsomely rewarded sometimes, mostly they lose it all. This is why gambling businesses do exist on the face of the earth. Everybody knows this fact, yet - most of us do it anyway. We do it for fun and excitement. It brings thrill of winning and agony of failure. The key is to control the extent of gambling. It's like investing in the stock exchange; you do it with the money you can afford to lose. There is no gambling without risk. May be that's why most religions do not sanction these types of activities. But, wait a minute! Isn't religion one such faith also? Isn't religion the biggest gambling endeavor in our lives? Shouldn't we keep it under control also to enjoy the thrill and excitement of this gambling activity.
 
Jiten Roy
 
N. B. I believe religion could be a fun thing in our lives if we could keep it under control. 




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Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)



Your knowledge on Islam is less than rudimentary.  I asked you to read Sura VIII and interpret.  I am not Islamophobic.  I consider all religions as past of dead culture.  The question of hate mongering does not arise.  


Moreover, what on earth do you know on 'correct information'?  Next to nothing, if not nothing.

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:01 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

I did, and Mr. Rahman ( may Allah bestow rahmat on him) reacted.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around 4-5 months ago, you brought this allegation about Islam (That it allows looting??). I have answered it and explained it with more than enough references. But like many Islamphobes, you kept at it. Please re-read many discussions we had on this topic.

I do not mind critic of anything. However these "One liners are more about spreading lies than "Critic". Critical thinking requires education, information, references and a willingness to learn new things (Once you get an answer).

I only tried to reply with correct information against hate mongering.

Had Muslims were interested in looting, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would not have died in such a poor state (Did not have oil to lit his house). He used to distribute money among needy people. But I do understand "Out of context lies" looks real most of the time.

During prophet's time Muslims ONLY fought (After not fighting and being persecuted for 13 years) to protect their communities and properties. NEVER to consume any property that belonged to another person.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)

 
I did, and Mr. Rahman ( may Allah bestow rahmat on him) reacted.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Let's not talk about Islam;  people have objection to the criticism of Islam.
We were talking about gambling and religion, and, I believe, Mr. Rahman introduced Islam into it, if I am not mistaken.


--- On Mon, 7/2/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
 

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 2, 2012, 8:32 PM

 
Money changers and money lenders ain't the same breed of animals. 
Islam allows looting;

>>>>>>> Not true.  Really, what is the Surah Anfal(Sura#8) all about?

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 
Islam allows looting;

>>>>>>> Not true.

Also Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) spoke against Money changers which is ALSO prohibited in Islam.Which deals with riba or interest based money leading.


Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 8:05 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)

 
"most religions do not sanction these types of activities."  Not true, in Hinduism, Dharmaputra Yudisthira staked even his wife on gambling; Islam allows looting; Jesus spoke against money changers, but not against the gamblers.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
We sometime commit resources in our personal lives purely based on faith. We do it in quest of some sort of gain. This is gambling. Even though people may get handsomely rewarded sometimes, mostly they lose it all. This is why gambling businesses do exist on the face of the earth. Everybody knows this fact, yet - most of us do it anyway. We do it for fun and excitement. It brings thrill of winning and agony of failure. The key is to control the extent of gambling. It's like investing in the stock exchange; you do it with the money you can afford to lose. There is no gambling without risk. May be that's why most religions do not sanction these types of activities. But, wait a minute! Isn't religion one such faith also? Isn't religion the biggest gambling endeavor in our lives? Shouldn't we keep it under control also to enjoy the thrill and excitement of this gambling activity.
 
Jiten Roy
 
N. B. I believe religion could be a fun thing in our lives if we could keep it under control. 






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Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)



QR Said: As a Muslim, I was surprised when I learn that, Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says.

_____________________________

 

Quran said really nice thing - verify what you believe in. I like that spirit.

But, the question is - how can you verify all those amenities of heaven that Quran promises believers will enjoy in the afterworld, including the promise of 72 Virgins, etc.? You can't.

Also, people are interested in religion to assure a safe ride in the after world. How can you verify that promise?  No one can.

You need to establish your faith with verification, not with blind faith. You can trust something as a starting point only – then verify it to establish your confidence. If a religion says - do not hurt anyone on purpose; you can believe in it, and you can apply it in your life to reap heavenly benefits. That's the right way to go about religion. I agree!

Jiten Roy

--- On Thu, 7/5/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:


From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 1:34 PM

 
"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
 
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.


>>>>>>>>> Member Subimal's statement/observation is closer to how a "Religious" person sees religion and member Roy's observation reflects how a anti-religious person view's religion.

Also it is right that, most religions spoke against gambling. Even in the US tax on alcohol and gambling is often called as "Sin tax". Most of the time taxes are high on these activities.

As a Muslim, I was surprised when I learn that, Qur'an asks the readers to verify what the Qur'an says. It also asks us to reflect and use our wisdom. To me it is a very pragmatic book that is often "Worshiped" (But not followed!) by some backward people.


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 8:28 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)

 
"A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved."
 
Wrong! Religion is based on guesses about eternal phenomena and rewards, which may or may not be true. People are sacrificing their lives willingly for these guesses, and people are also losing lives just because of these guesses. This is high stake gabling.
 
--- On Sun, 7/1/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 4:04 PM

 
Guess (the name of the girl:-* kiss who has put her beautiful palms on your eyes), wild guess (no clue and hence choose option D), educated guess (options A and B have been eliminated and hence choose between C and D), speculation (invest in Company A), etc. are not synonymous. Of these, the phrase "wild guess" has a negative connotation. In this case the guesser has absolutely no clue about the possible outcome. Even in this case "faith" has no role. A person with absolute faith does not guess and no gambling is involved. He acts with 100% confidence. There are, however, "partial" believers (skeptics!) (I have met people belonging to this group) who are not risk averse at all when it comes to religion and hence acts like a believer although sometimes in a loosely bound way.  
 
I think all the great religions have spoken against gambling. Sage Manu has disapproved of gambling. From Mahabharata we know that the pious kings had the custom of gambling. Yuthisthira lost in gambling his entire kingdom and even his and his four brothers' common wife Draupadi. Probably the author of this epic Vyasadev was also not in favor of gambling. 
 
Economic history points to the fact that speculation in stock markets can be catastrophic. No doubt there is fun and excitement and sorrow as well associated with gambling. We have seen how gambling, wine, women can go hand in hand to ruin a person or a whole family. That's why I think religious prohibitions may be rooted in preserving or promoting the welfare of the followers.
 
Having said all this, I am not against gambling as a fun and gambling as a fund raising mechanism.     
      

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Oh! the Thrill of Gambling (a wondering thought)
 
We sometime commit resources in our personal lives purely based on faith. We do it in quest of some sort of gain. This is gambling. Even though people may get handsomely rewarded sometimes, mostly they lose it all. This is why gambling businesses do exist on the face of the earth. Everybody knows this fact, yet - most of us do it anyway. We do it for fun and excitement. It brings thrill of winning and agony of failure. The key is to control the extent of gambling. It's like investing in the stock exchange; you do it with the money you can afford to lose. There is no gambling without risk. May be that's why most religions do not sanction these types of activities. But, wait a minute! Isn't religion one such faith also? Isn't religion the biggest gambling endeavor in our lives? Shouldn't we keep it under control also to enjoy the thrill and excitement of this gambling activity.
 
Jiten Roy
 
N. B. I believe religion could be a fun thing in our lives if we could keep it under control. 


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[mukto-mona] FW: Supreme Court seeks details of religious sites damaged in Gujarat riots



              Bangladesh courts should issue orders to the Jamaati goondas to financially compensate for the repair of the Hindu temples that are desecrated and damaged by them. Otherwise they think Hindu temple destruction is all 'fun & games' and they can stir up a bit of communal animosity whenever it is to their political advantage.  So far they've gotten away with impunity. And that is very bad for the image of the greater Muslim community of Bangladesh.

                           Farida Majid

<< On February 8, the Gujarat government was pulled up by the Gujarat High Court for "inaction and negligence" on its part during the 2002 post-Godhra riots that led to large-scale damage or destruction of religious structures.

A high court division bench of Acting Chief Justice Bhaskar Bhattacharya and Justice J B Pardiwala had ordered compensation for over 500 places of worships in the state on a plea by Islamic Relief Committee of Gujarat (IRCG), an NGO. >>




Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:42:18 +0800
Subject: Supreme Court seeks details of religious sites damaged in Gujarat riots

 



Court seeks details of religious sites damaged in Gujarat riots

PTI
A June 2002 file photo of people chanting bhajans at a demolished mosque in Raipur in Ahmedabad.
A June 2002 file photo of people chanting bhajans at a demolished mosque in Raipur in Ahmedabad.

The Supreme Court on Monday directed the Gujarat government to file a survey report of the religious sites which were damaged and destroyed during the 2002 riots in the state.
A bench of justices K S Radhakrishnan and Dipak Misra also asked the state government to quantify the amount needed for building and repairing those sites that were affected by the riots.
The court gave the directions on an appeal filed by the Gujarat government challenging a Gujarat High Court order directing it to pay compensation for damage and destruction of the religious sites.
At the very start of the proceedings, the Gujarat government said that the state exchequer could not be used for building and repairing religious sites.
The bench, however, said it would look into the issue whether public funds could be used for restoring the damaged sites.
"You compensate if a house is washed away in a flood or if it is damaged in an earthquake. Then why not in case of a religious place?" the bench asked.
The court directed the state government to file an affidavit with regard to the religious sites affected by the riots and posted the matter for further hearing on July 30.
On February 8, the Gujarat government was pulled up by the Gujarat High Court for "inaction and negligence" on its part during the 2002 post-Godhra riots that led to large-scale damage or destruction of religious structures.
A high court division bench of Acting Chief Justice Bhaskar Bhattacharya and Justice J B Pardiwala had ordered compensation for over 500 places of worships in the state on a plea by Islamic Relief Committee of Gujarat (IRCG), an NGO.
The NGO had contended that 535 religious places were affected; out which 37 remain to be repaired.
Challenging the high court's order, advocate Tushar Mehta, appearing for the state government, contended that Sikh religious groups were also seeking compensation for damage to the religious places during 1984 anti-Sikh riots.
The plea by IRCG in 2003 had sought the court's direction to the government to pay compensation for damage to religious places during the riots on the ground that the National Human Rights Commission, too, had recommended it and the state government had in principle accepted the suggestion.
The high court had observed that inadequacy, inaction and negligence on the part of the state government to prevent the riots had resulted in religious structures being affected across the state.
It had said when the government could pay compensation for destruction of houses and commercial establishments then it should also pay compensation for religious structures.
If the structures have been already restored by now, the government should reimburse the amount spent on their restoration, the court had said.
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[mukto-mona] Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result



It is all hypothetical. If Abul had been fired, the things would been totally different? We just do not know enough about that. As a poor country, Bangladesh has very little latitude with WB or other international organizations. As a sovereign country, Bangladesh should not allow itself to be dictated by a bank considering the mess the bankers had created since and before 2008. The characters are not any different from those big international banks. All are well connected! Only difference is that WB is more political and it needs constant lubrication until you get the money. We just do not know the real scoop of the story. Abul is basically a pawn and excuse in the game. Something else was wanted from Bangladesh and it did not give in and that broke the camels back. 
-SD 
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Jalal Uddin Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>
To: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result

Sorry to disagree. if WB needed to be lubricated, it was lubricated enough to have already come forward to grant the loan. Now was the question of releasing the money and the accusation of mega corruption in planning/managing/handling/sharing the cake. "Killing the cat in the first night," before it was too late. As the perception is, the entire Hasina govt from top to bottom is involved, so Baba Abul H, the man at the center, was not changed at first. He was changed after a lot of pressure. And changed only to another mega money portfolio. If the entire Govt had not been involved, Baba Abul H would have not only been changed but also fired long ago. If action was taken against Baba Abul by being fired and investigated and "hanged," WB would surely not have cancelled the contract. The fact of the matter is, Babu Abul was not alone, others must have been involved. So the Baba is still very much there drinking from another bottle. "Tora Je Ja Bolish Bhai, Amar Abul H Chai."  

2012/7/9 Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
The decision was already taken not to grant the loan. Even Bangladesh government had hanged Mr. Hossain, the result would have been the same. All loans are basically political and needs constant lobbying with blood and sweat. The problem was that Bangladesh did not use much oil to lubricate the WB and it's stakeholders. Bangladesh should be able to survive this loan debacle. It is a great lesson for Bangladesh and hopefully it will make the nation stronger as opposed to what the creeps might be saying.
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

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Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result

নিজস্ব অর্থায়নে পদ্মা সেতুর কাজ শুরুর নির্দেশ

বিশ্বব্যাংককে আর অনুরোধ করবে না সরকার

বিশেষ প্রতিনিধি | তারিখ: ০৯-০৭-২০১২
প্রধানমন্ত্রী শেখ হাসিনা নিজস্ব অর্থায়নে দ্রুত পদ্মা সেতু নির্মাণের কাজ শুরু করার নির্দেশ দিয়েছেন। আজ সোমবার সচিবালয়ে মন্ত্রিসভার বৈঠকে তিনি এ নির্দেশ দেন। পরে মন্ত্রিপরিষদসচিব মোহাম্মদ মোশাররাফ হোসাইন ভূইঞা সাংবাদিকদের এ কথা জানান।
সভার বিষয় জানিয়ে সচিব বলেন, পদ্মা সেতুতে অর্থায়নের জন্য ঋণচুক্তির বিষয়ে বিশ্বব্যাংককে আর অনুরোধ করা হবে না। তবে বিশ্বব্যাংক যদি নিজের ভুল বুঝতে পেরে ঋণচুক্তি করে, তাহলে অর্থ নেওয়া হবে।
সভায় দ্রুত কাজ শুরু করার ব্যাপারে সিদ্ধান্ত হয়। তবে কবে নাগাদ পদ্মা সেতুর নির্মাণ কাজ শুরু করা হবে, এ সিদ্ধান্ত সেতু বিভাগ নেবে। সভায় বলা হয়, অর্থনীতির ওপর যেন চাপ না পড়ে, সেভাবেই কাজ করা হবে। অর্থায়নের ব্যাপারে এশীয় উন্নয়ন ব্যাংক (এডিবি), জাইকা ও ইসলামী উন্নয়ন ব্যাংকের (আইডিবি) সঙ্গে আলোচনা করা হবে। এ ছাড়া রিজার্ভ থেকে এক বিলিয়ন ডলার, বন্ড সংগ্রহ, উন্নয়ন বরাদ্দ, প্রবাসীদের পাঠানো রেমিট্যান্স থেকে অর্থ নিয়ে নির্মাণকাজ শুরু করতে হবে।

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পাঠকদের নির্বাচিত মন্তব্য প্রতি সোমবার প্রথম আলোর সম্পাদকীয় পাতায় প্রকাশিত হচ্ছে।


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Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 4:01 PM
Subject: [Pro-Muslim] RE: Padma Bridge Corruption:How readers think about it Ittefaq /Opiniuon P oll result

 
thanks for bringing out the truth.

 
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:51:05 +0000
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