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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits crowd



Devout religious people are insane. It's time to recognize that.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Razzak Syed amsmel@aol.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Terrorism has religion and that is yours, because they terrorise the world in the name of Jews, the terrorise India in the name of Hindus, they terrorise Myanmar in the name of Buddhism, they terrorise Scotland in the name of Christianity and today they are terrorising in the name of Islam. 

Neither the Judaism nor the Hinduism nor the Christianity nor Buddhism nor Islam preaches terrorism. Dick head like yourself misinterpreted the religious divines and end of the day they don't believe in the life after death.

Capt. Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 18 Jul 2016, at 12:28 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

The cardinal problem is that these terrorists do have religions and they have been using the religious texts to justify their attacks. If we say Osama, Al-Zaqavi and Al-Bagdhadis got no religion, we are basically fooling ourselves. There is a limit how much Muslims would tolerate this nonsense, let alone westerners. People are simply getting tired of broken record chant... such as terrorists got no religion.
With few more attacks in the future, Muslim countries would be closed for trades and travels. What good that would bring?  

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:49 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

I said before terrorists are terrorists. They have no religion. They have no relations. They have no God. They are Satan's disciples. Their eternal place is the Hell fire. But again, terrorist were not born; they were made. We need to ask why?


I am proud to be born in a Muslim family and proud of my Islamic identity. However, I am deeply concerned that some of those terrorists had or used Islamic names, their mental make up and lifestyle notwithstanding. If my son/daughter commits such an act, I can immediately disown him/her, but can I remove the scar from my family?


A serious soul searching needed by all concerned to ascertain why such savagery takes place, and how they can be minimized, if not eliminated altogether. 


I have not seen the full video of the Nice massacre. What puzzles me, how such a lonesome huge refrigerator truck could enter a place of celebration, which should have remained barricaded/ cordoned for vehicular traffic?


My deep condolence and sympathy for the innocent victims!

From: 'Razzak Syed' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 3:37 AM
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits crowd
 
As per the Al-zajeera and Sky News Australia, first three video clips clearly shows that truck was entering the road very smoothly, suddenly police started chasing, it appears that the truck driver got confused or drunk, started driving abnormal, suddenly police started shooting at the truck! Driver instantly got killed, crowded people started running, other than the driver none was died on stumped. 

Suddenly stopped broadcasting the truck's entry and home minister declared that the truck was full of arms n explosive? Why none of the explosive didn't explode during the fire? Why no action was taken to manage the crowed before chasing or firing at the truck?

Capt. Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Jul 2016, at 1:14 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

I was not explicit about the perpetrator. He/she could be anybody but if we are to bet, the probability of this person being another dirty jihadi would be almost 100%.... given the current environment. This is terrible and totally unacceptable!


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:14 PM, 'Khoniker Othithee' via Bangladesh Progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Yes, it is not smart to jump to conclusion, but when it happens all too often ( every few weeks), it not smart to play dumb at the expense of innocent lives and give benefits of the doubt to obvious groups.




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On Thu, 7/14/16, 'javed helali' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits crowd
 To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 6:40 PM

 Is it smart to jump to conclusions
 without a thorough enquiry? No!
 Those who do these kind of things are brothers to Satan.

 JH 512-669-5248

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 On Thu, 7/14/16, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
 wrote:

  Subject: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits
 crowd
  To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com"
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 "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>,
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 <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
  Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 8:34 PM

  Another one in the
  name of God? Has terror gone global?

  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36800730




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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/16/what-france-thinks-of-multiculturalism-and-islam/   
 
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In the aftermath of a devastating attack in Nice, France, Poland's interior minister, Mariusz Blaszczak, told reporters that the blame lay with the embrace of multiculturalism. "Have we not learned lessons from previous attacks in Paris and Brussels?" the Financial Times reported Blaszczak as saying. "This is a consequence of the policy of multicultural politics, and political correctness."
A member of Poland's controversial right-wing Law and Justice Party, Blaszczak's point may be in bad taste. However, many around the world probably agree with it.
It's certainly hard to disagree with the idea that France seems to be more embracing of multiculturalism than Poland. In a recently released study by the Pew Research Center that was conducted early this year, just 24 percent of French people were found to believe that diversity made France a worse place to live. A higher proportion, 26 percent, said it made France better, while 48 percent said that it didn't make much difference.
These results appeared to show that France has one of the most tolerant, though also largely indifferent, attitudes to racial and ethnic diversity in Europe. Only Spain had a higher positive view of diversity. Meanwhile, in Poland, 40 percent of the population said that diversity was a negative, while only 14 percent said it could be a positive and 33 percent said it made no difference. Hungary, Italy and Greece were the only countries with higher negative feelings toward diversity.
The same poll found that France had a far more positive view of Muslims than much of Europe. Despite a series of terror attacks that were inspired by Islamic extremism, just 29 percent of French citizens were found to have a negative view of Muslims, while 67 percent had a positive view. While this was an increase of 5 percentage points over previous years, only Germany and Britain had more positive views.
Conversely, in Poland, 66 percent had negative views of Muslims, while only 19 percent said they had positive views. Hungary and Italy were the only countries with more negative views — 72 percent and 69 percent, respectively.
People in Poland were also far more likely to believe that Muslims in their country were supporters of groups like the Islamic State, a group whose supporters have cheered the attack on Nice but have not claimed official responsibility. Twelve percent of Poles were said to believe that "most" Muslims in their country supported extremist groups, and a further 23 percent said "many." Just 12 percent said "very few" supported these groups. In France, 44 percent said "very few" Muslims in their country supported extremism, while just 6 percent said "most" and 13 percent said "many."
And despite the perceived link between refugees from Muslim majority countries and terrorism that is widespread across Europe, Pew's data showed that on the whole, French citizens were more concerned about economic factors.
It is fair to say that polls can't reveal all the complexity of the situation. France's relationship with its Muslim minority is complicated.
Research has shown that Muslims face discrimination in the French job market, and Muslims make up a disproportionately large percentage of the prison population. The country has also passed laws that prohibited the wearing of full-face veils, a move that some felt singled out Muslims.
"There is a normative level of French identity, that of secular citizenship, which in principle guarantees diversity and neutrality but de facto when enforced has often damaged diversity when secularism becomes imposed like an ideology," said Sara Silvestri, a specialist on religion and politics with a focus on Islam and the European Union, who is based between City University London and Cambridge University.
But it is startling to see these poll numbers. France already has one of the largest Muslim populations in Europe. While the French government doesn't allow censuses that ask people about their religious beliefs, independent sources have estimated that the number varies from 5 percent to 12 percent. Poland's Muslim population makes up about 0.1 percent of the population. In the United States, a country with its own strong-willed debate about Muslim integration, 1 percent of the nation is believed to be made up of Muslims.
 
 


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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits crowd



Terrorism has religion and that is yours, because they terrorise the world in the name of Jews, the terrorise India in the name of Hindus, they terrorise Myanmar in the name of Buddhism, they terrorise Scotland in the name of Christianity and today they are terrorising in the name of Islam. 

Neither the Judaism nor the Hinduism nor the Christianity nor Buddhism nor Islam preaches terrorism. Dick head like yourself misinterpreted the religious divines and end of the day they don't believe in the life after death.

Capt. Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 18 Jul 2016, at 12:28 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

The cardinal problem is that these terrorists do have religions and they have been using the religious texts to justify their attacks. If we say Osama, Al-Zaqavi and Al-Bagdhadis got no religion, we are basically fooling ourselves. There is a limit how much Muslims would tolerate this nonsense, let alone westerners. People are simply getting tired of broken record chant... such as terrorists got no religion.
With few more attacks in the future, Muslim countries would be closed for trades and travels. What good that would bring?  

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:49 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ranu51@hotmail.com> wrote:

I said before terrorists are terrorists. They have no religion. They have no relations. They have no God. They are Satan's disciples. Their eternal place is the Hell fire. But again, terrorist were not born; they were made. We need to ask why?


I am proud to be born in a Muslim family and proud of my Islamic identity. However, I am deeply concerned that some of those terrorists had or used Islamic names, their mental make up and lifestyle notwithstanding. If my son/daughter commits such an act, I can immediately disown him/her, but can I remove the scar from my family?


A serious soul searching needed by all concerned to ascertain why such savagery takes place, and how they can be minimized, if not eliminated altogether. 


I have not seen the full video of the Nice massacre. What puzzles me, how such a lonesome huge refrigerator truck could enter a place of celebration, which should have remained barricaded/ cordoned for vehicular traffic?


My deep condolence and sympathy for the innocent victims!

From: 'Razzak Syed' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 3:37 AM
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
Cc: bangladesh-progressives googlegroups; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits crowd
 
As per the Al-zajeera and Sky News Australia, first three video clips clearly shows that truck was entering the road very smoothly, suddenly police started chasing, it appears that the truck driver got confused or drunk, started driving abnormal, suddenly police started shooting at the truck! Driver instantly got killed, crowded people started running, other than the driver none was died on stumped. 

Suddenly stopped broadcasting the truck's entry and home minister declared that the truck was full of arms n explosive? Why none of the explosive didn't explode during the fire? Why no action was taken to manage the crowed before chasing or firing at the truck?

Capt. Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Jul 2016, at 1:14 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

I was not explicit about the perpetrator. He/she could be anybody but if we are to bet, the probability of this person being another dirty jihadi would be almost 100%.... given the current environment. This is terrible and totally unacceptable!


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:14 PM, 'Khoniker Othithee' via Bangladesh Progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Yes, it is not smart to jump to conclusion, but when it happens all too often ( every few weeks), it not smart to play dumb at the expense of innocent lives and give benefits of the doubt to obvious groups.




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On Thu, 7/14/16, 'javed helali' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits crowd
 To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 6:40 PM

 Is it smart to jump to conclusions
 without a thorough enquiry? No!
 Those who do these kind of things are brothers to Satan.

 JH 512-669-5248

 --------------------------------------------
 On Thu, 7/14/16, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
 wrote:

  Subject: {PFC-Friends} Nice attack: Many dead as lorry hits
 crowd
  To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com"
 <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>,
 "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>,
 "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com"
 <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
  Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 8:34 PM

  Another one in the
  name of God? Has terror gone global?

  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36800730




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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Fw: [AustinHalaqa] Fwd: UNESCO DECLARES ISLAM AS THE MOST PEACEFUL RELIGION OF THE WORLD



I don't understand why you people need unesco or Obama certificate!!!!!!
A tree is known by its fruit, no blabbing will work. 

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On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

That news is totally fake!

http://www.unesco.org/new/en/media-services/single-view/news/unesco_denounces_fake_statement/


11.07.2016 - UNESCOPRESS

UNESCO denounces fake statement

We wish to refer to the recent allegations posted on the website juntakareporter, citing an alleged statement and certificate from UNESCO declaring "Islam as the most peaceful religion of the world". Such statement was never made by the Organization and that the certificate reproduced on this website is a fake one. The website that published this information is a satirical media.

UNESCO has never had any official relationship with the entity referred to as "International Peace Foundation", nor has it ever supported such a statement or granted any diploma of this kind. 

In line with its mandate, the Organization has the responsibility to promote interreligious and intercultural dialogue on a global scale, with the unerring support of its Member States, partners and networks. In doing so, UNESCO promotes respect on equal grounds for all traditions and faiths, always striving to build bridges and strengthen ties whenever possible.



On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:29 AM, 'javed helali' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Javed Helali

 512-669-5248


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> Islam who have been blaming it for terrorism, UNESCO has
> declared that Islam is the most peaceful religion of the
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> that revealed that UNESCO had partnered with International
> Peace Foundation six months back to study all religions of
> the world and find out which was most peaceful amongst
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> "After six months of rigorous study and analysis, we have
> concluded that Islam is the most peaceful religion,"
> Robert McGee, head of comparative studies wing of
> International Peace Foundation declared in a press
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> Muslims at least after this certificate from UNESCO," our
> founder editor Mofat Javed hoped.
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> The certificate and announcement from UNESCO has been
> welcomed by world leaders and religious leaders across the
> world. Dalai Lama is reported to have asked other religions
> to learn from Islam and try to be as nonviolent and
> compassionate as the religion of
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[mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Fw: [AustinHalaqa] Fwd: UNESCO DECLARES ISLAM AS THE MOST PEACEFUL RELIGION OF THE WORLD



The fault is not really yours. People are sharing too many false news on the net for quick self-gratifications. Not sure why Islam would need such certificate from UNESCO or anybody else?

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:16 PM, 'javed helali' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:
My apologies. Sorry to have forwarded it without confirming its authenticity.
However, how sure are we about the genuineness of the em sent in reply to mine?

JH 512-669-5248

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On Sun, 7/17/16, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Fw: [AustinHalaqa] Fwd: UNESCO DECLARES ISLAM AS THE MOST PEACEFUL RELIGION OF THE WORLD
 To: "pfc-friends@googlegroups.com" <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>, "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "bangladesh-progressives googlegroups" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>, "Javed Helali" <jhelali2000@yahoo.com>
 Cc: "bfc1966@googlegroups.com" <bfc1966@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Sunday, July 17, 2016, 11:17 AM

 That news
 is totally fake!

 http://www.unesco.org/new/en/media-services/single-view/news/unesco_denounces_fake_statement/


 11.07.2016 - UNESCOPRESS

   UNESCO denounces fake statement





     We wish to refer to the recent allegations posted on
 the website
  juntakareporter, citing an alleged statement and
 certificate from
 UNESCO declaring "Islam as the most peaceful religion
 of the world".
 Such statement was never made by the Organization and that
 the
 certificate reproduced on this website is a fake one. The
 website that
 published this information is a satirical media.



     UNESCO has never had any
 official relationship
 with the entity referred to as "International Peace
 Foundation", nor has
  it ever supported such a statement or granted any diploma
 of this
 kind. 

 In line with its mandate, the
 Organization has the
 responsibility to promote interreligious and intercultural
 dialogue on a
  global scale, with the unerring support of its Member
 States, partners
 and networks. In doing so, UNESCO promotes respect on equal
 grounds for
 all traditions and faiths, always striving to build bridges
 and
 strengthen ties whenever possible.











 On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at
 11:29 AM, 'javed helali' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com>
 wrote:




 Javed Helali



  512-669-5248





 > UNESCO DECLARES

 > ISLAM AS THE MOST PEACEFUL RELIGION OF THE WORLD

 >

 >

 >

 > MightyReporters | July 7, 2016 | News | No Comments

 >

 >

 >

 > 37.5k6619

 >

 >

 >

 >
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 >

 >  

 >

 >

 >

 > PARIS: In a major development that should silence
 critics of

 > Islam who have been blaming it for terrorism, UNESCO
 has

 > declared that Islam is the most peaceful religion of
 the

 > world.

 >

 >

 >

 > The United Nations body released a statement earlier
 today

 > that revealed that UNESCO had partnered with
 International

 > Peace Foundation six months back to study all religions
 of

 > the world and find out which was most peaceful
 amongst

 > all.

 >

 > "After six months of rigorous study and analysis, we
 have

 > concluded that Islam is the most peaceful
 religion,"

 > Robert McGee, head of comparative studies wing of

 > International Peace Foundation declared in a press

 > conference that was attended by UNESCO officials

 >  too.

 >

 > When asked about the terror attacks being carried out
 in the

 > name of Islam, including the recent ones in Dhaka
 and

 > Baghdad, the UNESCO official denied that it had
 anything to

 > do with Islam.

 >

 >

 >

 > "Terror has no religion," he said, "Islam
 means

 > peace."

 >

 >

 >

 > To document this official recognition, UNESCO will
 issue

 > certificates to interested Muslim bodies, which can
 choose

 > to display them at various places like madarsas,
 Islamic

 > study centers, mosques, halal stores,
 slaughterhouses,

 > etc.

 >

 > Junta Ka Reporter was also given a copy of certificate
 so

 > that we can display the same to our readers. A copy has
 also

 > been put in the office of our founder.

 >

 > "Right Wing organizations should stop maligning Islam
 and

 > Muslims at least after this certificate from UNESCO,"
 our

 > founder editor Mofat Javed hoped.

 >

 > The certificate and announcement from UNESCO has
 been

 > welcomed by world leaders and religious leaders across
 the

 > world. Dalai Lama is reported to have asked other
 religions

 > to learn from Islam and try to be as nonviolent and

 > compassionate as the religion of

 >  peace.

 >

 > However, some Muslim scholars have said that the act
 of

 > UNESCO was not needed as Islam was already the best
 and

 > final religion, and a certificate to the same amounts
 to

 > trivializing the issue as it states the obvious

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