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[mukto-mona] “পূর্ণাঙ্গ লেখক” হিসেবে অধিভুক্তি প্রসঙ্গে

এডমিন মহোদয়
মুক্তমনা ব্লগ

আমি একজন সরকারি কর্মকর্তা (উপ-পরিচালক, শিক্ষা মন্ত্রণালয়) ও মুক্তমনা
মানুষ। পত্র-পত্রিকায় ২৫০-টির মত লেখা প্রকাশিত হয়েছে। মুক্তচিন্তাব্লগে
প্রথম প্রবেশ করি ৩০.৫.২০১৩ তারিখ ড. লজিক্যাল বাঙালি নামে। প্রায় ৮-মাসে
আমার লেখার সংখ্যা দাঁড়ায় ২৪৫ (ঐ ব্লগে সবোর্চ্চ), সবোর্চ্চ পঠিত ১০-টি
লেখার মধ্যে আমার লেখাই ৬-টি, যার মধ্যে ১ম-টি ৬৪৮১-বার পঠিত, ২য়-টি
৫৪৪১, ৩য়-টি ৫২০০, ৮ম-টি ২৮০৫, ৯ম-টি ২৩৭৮ ও ১০ম-টি ২১৮৩-বার পঠিত।
সর্বমোট মন্তব্য ২৮৪২-বার, সর্বোচ্চ মন্তব্যকৃত ১১-টি লেখার ৪-টি আমার,
যার মধ্যে ১ম-টিতে ১১০-টি, ৪র্থ-টিতে ৭১, ৬ষ্ঠ-টিতে ৬৮ এবং ১১তম-টিতে
৬১-টি মন্তব্য করা হয়েছে। আমার আলোচিত পোস্টের সংখ্যা ২৬ কিন্তু ব্লগ
পরিচালক মহোদয়ের সঙ্গে দুটো লেখার ব্যাপারে মতদ্বৈততার কারণে ওখানে পোস্ট
দেয়া বন্ধ রেখেছি। এখন কোথাও লিখছি না।

মুক্তচিন্তার মানুষ হিসেবে আপনাদের ব্লগটিতে লিখতে চাইছি যদি আমাকে গ্রহণ
করেন। এ ক্ষেত্রে আমার পত্রিকায় প্রকাশিত ও মুক্তচিন্তা ব্লগে ২৪৫-টি
প্রকাশিত লেখা (উদাহরণ হিসেবে ১টা লিংক দিলাম :
http://www.muktochintablog.com/blogpost/details/5774 [পদ্মা নদীর মাঝি
'কুবের' আর 'কপিলা'র শেষ জীবনের গল্প] বিশেষ বিবেচনায় "পূর্ণাঙ্গ লেখক"
হিসেবে গ্রহণ করবেন কি?

উল্লেখ্য যে, আমি ঢাবির বাংলা বিভাগের প্রাক্তন শিক্ষার্থী, আমার গবেষণার
বিষয় ছিল ভাষাতত্ত্ব এবং আমার প্রিয় শিক্ষক ড. হুমায়ুন আজাদ। আপনার
ইতিবাচক জবাবের প্রতিক্ষায় রইলাম। ধন্যবাদসহ

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Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি



Dear Prof Roy:
Please read my posting more patiently. The word, ' jungle', is significant in meaning. Some important  works of Marx and Engels remained unknown for nearly 4 decades (until some of them were rediscovered by David Borisovich Riazanov, arguable the greatest Marx-Engels scholar of the 20th Century, a fact Lenin and Trotsky knew very well and so he was made in-charge of the Institute of Marx and Engels and brought out Economic and Political Manuscripts of 1844,Holy Family, German Ideology etc. He called them historisch-kritische Marx-Engels-Gesamtausgabe.Once again, I request all to patiently read a paper by MEGA exec editor -Publishing  Marx and  Engels  after  1989: The fate of the MEGA

Jürgen Rojahn (http://socialhistory.org/sites/default/files/docs/projects/mega-e98.pdf)


Also read an interview of Marcello Muato

Marx-Engels Gesamtausgabe (MEGA2): Has another Marx been revealed? (http://links.org.au/node/2083)

Now with the new relevance of Das Capital - even among opponents of Marxian thoughts - and the extreme difficulties,faced by the defenders of neo-liberal finance capital to overcome the crisis, the possibilities of successful application of Marxism have germinated. But nobody has a time table.

But you and many have the right and your reasons to reject Marxism. But certainly do not understand what makes you so sure of failutre of Marxism when two-thirds of M-E works remained unknown during the 20th Century ( I am of course among those who readv the have been convinced of efficacy of Marx after reading the available texts).


Warm regards,

SR






From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:15:15
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি
 

"Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology."

Mr. Ray, what does the above statement mean?

You said Marxism is a jungle; I think your above statement reflect that jungle. It appears to me that - you have been spending enormous amount of your time and effort studying and promoting Marxism. What's the objective? Do you see Marxism is coming back slowly, and it will be fully implemented someday? Or, you see a new social philosophy is being born in America, China, Russia, and Europe out of fusion of Capitalism and Marxism. I see the latter scenario; what say you?

Jiten Roy




On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:07 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:
 

Dr Subimal Chakrabarty has very correctly stated that Marxism should not be the state principle. Marx, Rabindranath Tagore too, had been opposed to state.In a letter to Dr Ludwig Kugelman, he wrote on 12/4/1871,"If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it, and this is essential for every real people's revolution on the Continent. And this is what our heroic Party comrades in Paris are attempting." Rabindranath's ideation of coveted social order is encapsulated in his lyric- "আমরা সবাই রাজা আমাদের এই রাজার রাজত্বে/নইলে মোদের রাজার সনে মিলব কি সত্বে?

And Marx's works are a jungle. From the IISH, Amsterdam 114 volumes of works of Marx and Engels, their notes, letters (to and fro) in original languages (Marx wrote one of the manuscripts of Capital Vol II in French); 57 of them have been published. In fact, I too have written an introductory on the project MEGA in kafila.org, I wrote in one of the mails here.
Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology.
Here is one on Math Manuscripts by Pradip Baksi (http://cfcul.fc.ul.pt/varios/Karl_Marx_small.pdf) , one of the most erudite scholars in not only on Marx and Engels, but linguistics, philosophy. He was the first to translate Math Manuscripts into Bengali and English. Interested members/netizens may write to Pradip - pradipbaksi@gmail.com -asking for his papers, although that's a huge repository.
Best,
SR





From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:57:59
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি
 
One may preach some thing and practice some thing else. It applies to any political ideology. Marxism and a Marxist are not synonymous in the same way as Islam and an Islamist are not. It would be illogical to blame Islam if an Islamist Madrassa principal rapes a young boy. The question that should be asked is if Marxism teaches a Marxist to mock the poverty of the poor by building a palace near a slum. 

I don't think any one in this forum wants Marxism to be the state principle. The primary objective here is to engage in intellectual intellectual exercise which is not easy at all as the Marxist literature is a vast jungle. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:07 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 
I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.


>>>>>>>>>>> (Except a tiny percentage) Leftists of Bangladesh are no different. They "sell" idea to make money and it is probably the "Best sounding idea" of our time. A nice debate can take place if we should focus on "Equal treatment" or "Justified treatment" of all people.

Status of people can be equal but talent/skills/knowledge varies with people and even societies.

Shalom!



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Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

 
With no malice to Marx or his philosophy, I was only trying mock some diehard clowns, who still love to cling onto the ideas that have been rejected and discarded by the ordinary people and naive proletariat. I am sure there are some intrinsic academic values in Marx's economical philosophy and that is truly great for the development of our human society. But, I would not stretch it beyond that. Marxists should practice their philosophy  as much as they want but I do not want that POS to be applied in my backyard. I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.
 -SD

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Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি



I am not sure what these people are humping on but this quiz show might help some of our diehards to alleviate their gas and other ailments. Enjoy! 
-SD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s

 
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-Seuss



On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:40 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
"Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology."

Mr. Ray, what does the above statement mean?

You said Marxism is a jungle; I think your above statement reflect that jungle. It appears to me that - you have been spending enormous amount of your time and effort studying and promoting Marxism. What's the objective? Do you see Marxism is coming back slowly, and it will be fully implemented someday? Or, you see a new social philosophy is being born in America, China, Russia, and Europe out of fusion of Capitalism and Marxism. I see the latter scenario; what say you?

Jiten Roy




On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:07 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:
 

Dr Subimal Chakrabarty has very correctly stated that Marxism should not be the state principle. Marx, Rabindranath Tagore too, had been opposed to state.In a letter to Dr Ludwig Kugelman, he wrote on 12/4/1871,"If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it, and this is essential for every real people's revolution on the Continent. And this is what our heroic Party comrades in Paris are attempting." Rabindranath's ideation of coveted social order is encapsulated in his lyric- "আমরা সবাই রাজা আমাদের এই রাজার রাজত্বে/নইলে মোদের রাজার সনে মিলব কি সত্বে?

And Marx's works are a jungle. From the IISH, Amsterdam 114 volumes of works of Marx and Engels, their notes, letters (to and fro) in original languages (Marx wrote one of the manuscripts of Capital Vol II in French); 57 of them have been published. In fact, I too have written an introductory on the project MEGA in kafila.org, I wrote in one of the mails here.
Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology.
Here is one on Math Manuscripts by Pradip Baksi (http://cfcul.fc.ul.pt/varios/Karl_Marx_small.pdf) , one of the most erudite scholars in not only on Marx and Engels, but linguistics, philosophy. He was the first to translate Math Manuscripts into Bengali and English. Interested members/netizens may write to Pradip - pradipbaksi@gmail.com -asking for his papers, although that's a huge repository.
Best,
SR





From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:57:59
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি
 
One may preach some thing and practice some thing else. It applies to any political ideology. Marxism and a Marxist are not synonymous in the same way as Islam and an Islamist are not. It would be illogical to blame Islam if an Islamist Madrassa principal rapes a young boy. The question that should be asked is if Marxism teaches a Marxist to mock the poverty of the poor by building a palace near a slum. 

I don't think any one in this forum wants Marxism to be the state principle. The primary objective here is to engage in intellectual intellectual exercise which is not easy at all as the Marxist literature is a vast jungle. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:07 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 
I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.


>>>>>>>>>>> (Except a tiny percentage) Leftists of Bangladesh are no different. They "sell" idea to make money and it is probably the "Best sounding idea" of our time. A nice debate can take place if we should focus on "Equal treatment" or "Justified treatment" of all people.

Status of people can be equal but talent/skills/knowledge varies with people and even societies.

Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

 
With no malice to Marx or his philosophy, I was only trying mock some diehard clowns, who still love to cling onto the ideas that have been rejected and discarded by the ordinary people and naive proletariat. I am sure there are some intrinsic academic values in Marx's economical philosophy and that is truly great for the development of our human society. But, I would not stretch it beyond that. Marxists should practice their philosophy  as much as they want but I do not want that POS to be applied in my backyard. I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.
 -SD

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Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি



Don't you ever comment on something you are completely ignorant about.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:37 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

Jews, Christians and Muslims agree on the concept of Messiah. The Caliphate is a different concept and once upon a time it was there. There is NO relations between these DIFFERENT concepts.

Shalom!


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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

 
"...like a dream of reviving Islamic Caliphate on earth."

The concept of Islamic Caliphate is essentially Jewish.  Originally it was all the messiahs must be descendants of David.



On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Deeldar is right; Marxism has attained a classical state now. No ideology ever dies completely. If some people dream of a Marxist society on earth someday, that will be like a dream of reviving Islamic Caliphate on earth.

Jiten Roy
   



On Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:49 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
With no malice to Marx or his philosophy, I was only trying mock some diehard clowns, who still love to cling onto the ideas that have been rejected and discarded by the ordinary people and naive proletariat. I am sure there are some intrinsic academic values in Marx's economical philosophy and that is truly great for the development of our human society. But, I would not stretch it beyond that. Marxists should practice their philosophy  as much as they want but I do not want that POS to be applied in my backyard. I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.
 -SD

"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss







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"Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology."

Mr. Ray, what does the above statement mean?

You said Marxism is a jungle; I think your above statement reflect that jungle. It appears to me that - you have been spending enormous amount of your time and effort studying and promoting Marxism. What's the objective? Do you see Marxism is coming back slowly, and it will be fully implemented someday? Or, you see a new social philosophy is being born in America, China, Russia, and Europe out of fusion of Capitalism and Marxism. I see the latter scenario; what say you?

Jiten Roy




On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:07 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:
 

Dr Subimal Chakrabarty has very correctly stated that Marxism should not be the state principle. Marx, Rabindranath Tagore too, had been opposed to state.In a letter to Dr Ludwig Kugelman, he wrote on 12/4/1871,"If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it, and this is essential for every real people's revolution on the Continent. And this is what our heroic Party comrades in Paris are attempting." Rabindranath's ideation of coveted social order is encapsulated in his lyric- "আমরা সবাই রাজা আমাদের এই রাজার রাজত্বে/নইলে মোদের রাজার সনে মিলব কি সত্বে?

And Marx's works are a jungle. From the IISH, Amsterdam 114 volumes of works of Marx and Engels, their notes, letters (to and fro) in original languages (Marx wrote one of the manuscripts of Capital Vol II in French); 57 of them have been published. In fact, I too have written an introductory on the project MEGA in kafila.org, I wrote in one of the mails here.
Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology.
Here is one on Math Manuscripts by Pradip Baksi (http://cfcul.fc.ul.pt/varios/Karl_Marx_small.pdf) , one of the most erudite scholars in not only on Marx and Engels, but linguistics, philosophy. He was the first to translate Math Manuscripts into Bengali and English. Interested members/netizens may write to Pradip - pradipbaksi@gmail.com -asking for his papers, although that's a huge repository.
Best,
SR





From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:57:59
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি
 
One may preach some thing and practice some thing else. It applies to any political ideology. Marxism and a Marxist are not synonymous in the same way as Islam and an Islamist are not. It would be illogical to blame Islam if an Islamist Madrassa principal rapes a young boy. The question that should be asked is if Marxism teaches a Marxist to mock the poverty of the poor by building a palace near a slum. 

I don't think any one in this forum wants Marxism to be the state principle. The primary objective here is to engage in intellectual intellectual exercise which is not easy at all as the Marxist literature is a vast jungle. 

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On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:07 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 
I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.


>>>>>>>>>>> (Except a tiny percentage) Leftists of Bangladesh are no different. They "sell" idea to make money and it is probably the "Best sounding idea" of our time. A nice debate can take place if we should focus on "Equal treatment" or "Justified treatment" of all people.

Status of people can be equal but talent/skills/knowledge varies with people and even societies.

Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি

 
With no malice to Marx or his philosophy, I was only trying mock some diehard clowns, who still love to cling onto the ideas that have been rejected and discarded by the ordinary people and naive proletariat. I am sure there are some intrinsic academic values in Marx's economical philosophy and that is truly great for the development of our human society. But, I would not stretch it beyond that. Marxists should practice their philosophy  as much as they want but I do not want that POS to be applied in my backyard. I got a great Marxist friend  in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.
 -SD

"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss


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