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Tuesday, October 11, 2016

Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Forum Discipline // PFC-Friends



Express your ideas/comments in Bangla or Persian so that people can understand what you write and say. With such poor communication skills, what would you be doing on board of Australian ships other than cleaning, moping and entertaining sailors?

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
Wow 😳😳😳😳, Blue blooded Insane, Certifying the believers who didn't know his biological parents, until his human sense were grown, 

Watch yourself in the mirror when you wake up n before you go to bed and ask yourself where n how your soul passed these durations? What could happen, if you wouldn't wake up? Where would be your affiliates? Would they be your saviours? 

None can escape it. Don't waste your valuable time for money, either or your financier God father wouldn't be save themselves nor you.

Razzak A. Syed


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On 12 Oct. 2016, at 12:29 am, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

I bet, captain is ready to see Mr. Bagdadhi being exterminated by a hell-fire missile.... now that Maulana Osama is having fun in the heaven? We love to see these cousins die as miserably as possible if captain has no love for them? Can captain volunteer for the job as a soldier or the man is having a soft heart for these muzahedins??

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
They are your cousins too, aren't they?

 Razzak A. Syed


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On 11 Oct. 2016, at 1:42 pm, Msa40 <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

 
"You bunch DH and hypocrites living on funding from the anti Islamic fanatics, who are always following the Devils."- Capt. Razzak.
 
Are you being funded by the Islamic fanatics, such as ISIS and Boko Haram, to defend Islam and its inane precepts?
 
 
 
Mohammad Asghar
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
To: Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com>
Cc: Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>; ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>; Msa40 <msa40@aol.com>; Post Card <abahar.canada@gmail.com>; mahbubkhan@ieee.org <mahbubkhan35@hotmail.com>; aishams567 <aishams567@yahoo.com>; Mohammed Amirul Islam <aislam65@hotmail.com>; MBI Munshi <mbimunshi@gmail.com>; Muazzam Kazi <kazi4986@yahoo.com>; Capt Hossain <atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com>; S akhter <sakhter1015@gmail.com>; Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>; Mohammad Gani <mgani69@gmail.com>; azadcop <azadcop@yahoo.com>; Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com>; Jalal Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>; Mohamed Nazir <nazir0101@gmail.com>; Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>; Mahfuzur Rahman <mahfuzur@aol.com>; skmirza.mirza <skmirza.mirza@gmail.com>; Abul Kasem <abul88@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 6:02 pm
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Your faces are open now. You bunch DH and hypocrites living on funding from the anti Islamic fanatics, who are always following the Devils. 

When Allah's wraths will come, your Devil lord will desert you, as he did during the first battle of 'Badar', if you remember his word  "what you see, I can see, but what I can see, you can't see. I also fear Allah(SWT) & I never can go against his will."

It's obvious, none of us were there, but you may ask your ancestors like Abu Zahel or Abu Lahaab

Razzak A. Syed


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On 11 Oct. 2016, at 10:51 am, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

 
"It's not worth to argue with irrational personal who's attitude is like Nekre Kukur, never stops playing the same songs. Whom Allah guides, will be guided, whom he doesn't, none can. 
Better leave with Allah(SWT), soon will realise, because none knows when the last breath will be."
Razzak A. Syed
 
 
Folks:
 
This is the identity of Capt. Razzaak who believes in Islam blindly and he considers Koran is true like gold! But, Capt. Razzak is utterly ignorant (so called) Muslim who not only does not know anything about the Koran and islam; he also highly ignorant about the origins of various human names in the world. He should be ashamed of his utter ignorance. He has no idea how names were originated in the various parts of the world. I asked him to give me the meaning or justifications of the # 19 in Koran. But, he is not giving me that silly # 19 which I will prove a bogus thing only. Koran is full of contradictions and errors of all types. I will bring the subject later in this forum.  Thanks.
 
KAC
 
 
 
 




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On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:10 PM, "msa40@aol.com" <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

My savior is Satan. Even your Allah is scared of him!!



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Subject:Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC- Friends} Forum Discipline // PFC-Friends

Wow 😳😳😳😳, Blue blooded Insane, Certifying the believers who didn't know his biological parents, until his human sense were grown, 

Watch yourself in the mirror when you wake up n before you go to bed and ask yourself where n how your soul passed these durations? What could happen, if you wouldn't wake up? Where would be your affiliates? Would they be your saviours? 

None can escape it. Don't waste your valuable time for money, either or your financier God father wouldn't be save themselves nor you.

Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone




Capt. Razzak A. Syed
For Australian Marine Surveys
Visit our website for details: www.amsmelbourne.com.au

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Oct. 2016, at 12:29 am, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

I bet, captain is ready to see Mr. Bagdadhi being exterminated by a hell-fire missile.... now that Maulana Osama is having fun in the heaven? We love to see these cousins die as miserably as possible if captain has no love for them? Can captain volunteer for the job as a soldier or the man is having a soft heart for these muzahedins??

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
They are your cousins too, aren't they?

 Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 11 Oct. 2016, at 1:42 pm, Msa40 <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

 
"You bunch DH and hypocrites living on funding from the anti Islamic fanatics, who are always follo wing the Devils."- Capt. Razzak.
 
Are you being funded by the Islamic fanatics, such as ISIS and Boko Haram, to defend Islam and its inane precepts?
 
 
 
Mohammad Asghar
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
To: Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com>
Cc: Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>; ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>; Msa40 <msa40@aol.com>; Post Card <abahar.canada@gmail.com>; mahbubkhan@ieee.org <mahbubkhan35@hotmail.com>; aishams567 <aishams567@yahoo.com>; Mohammed Amirul Islam <aislam65@hotmail.com>; MBI Mu nshi <mbimunshi@gmail.com>; Muazzam Kazi <kazi4986@yahoo.com>; Capt Hossain <atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com>; S akhter <sakhter1015@gmail.com>; Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>; Mohammad Gani <mgani69@gmail.com>; azadcop <azadcop@yahoo.com>; Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com>; Jalal Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>; Mohamed Nazir <nazir0101@gmail.com>; Sit angshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>; Mahfuzur Rahman <mahfuzur@aol.com>; skmirza.mirza <skmirza.mirza@gmail.com>; Abul Kasem <abul88@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 6:02 pm
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Your faces are open now. You bunch DH and hypocrites living on funding from the anti Islamic fanatics, who are always following the Devils. 

When Allah's wraths will come, your Devil lord will desert you, as he did during the first battle of 'Badar', if you remember his word  "what you see, I can see, but what I can see, you can't see. I also fear Allah(SWT) & I never can go against his will."

It's obvious, none of us were there, but you may ask your ancestors like Abu Zahel or Abu Lahaab

Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 11 Oct. 2016, at 10:51 am, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

 
"It's not worth to argue with irrational personal who's attitude is like Nekre Kukur, never stops playing the same songs. Whom Allah guides, will be guided, whom he doesn't, none can. 
Better leave with Allah(SWT), soon will realise, because none knows when the last breath will be."
Razzak A. Syed
 
 
Folks:
 
This is the identity of Capt. Razzaak who believes in Islam blindly and he considers Koran is true like gold! But, Capt. Razzak is utterly ignorant (so called) Muslim who not only does not know anything about the Koran and islam; he also highly ignorant about the origins of various human names in the world. He should be ashamed of his utter ignorance. He has no idea how names were originated in the various parts of the world. I asked him to give me the meaning or justifications of the # 19 in Koran. But, he is not giving me that silly # 19 which I will prove a bogus thing only. Koran is full of contradictions and errors of all types. I will bring the subject later in this forum.  Thanks.
 
KAC
 
 
 
 



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I bet, captain is ready to see Mr. Bagdadhi being exterminated by a hell-fire missile.... now that Maulana Osama is having fun in the heaven? We love to see these cousins die as miserably as possible if captain has no love for them? Can captain volunteer for the job as a soldier or the man is having a soft heart for these muzahedins??

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com> wrote:
They are your cousins too, aren't they?

 Razzak A. Syed


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On 11 Oct. 2016, at 1:42 pm, Msa40 <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

 
"You bunch DH and hypocrites living on funding from the anti Islamic fanatics, who are always following the Devils."- Capt. Razzak.
 
Are you being funded by the Islamic fanatics, such as ISIS and Boko Haram, to defend Islam and its inane precepts?
 
 
 
Mohammad Asghar
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Razzak Syed <amsmel@aol.com>
To: Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com>
Cc: Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>; mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>; Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>; ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>; Msa40 <msa40@aol.com>; Post Card <abahar.canada@gmail.com>; mahbubkhan@ieee.org <mahbubkhan35@hotmail.com>; aishams567 <aishams567@yahoo.com>; Mohammed Amirul Islam <aislam65@hotmail.com>; MBI Munshi <mbimunshi@gmail.com>; Muazzam Kazi <kazi4986@yahoo.com>; Capt Hossain <atlanticmarinecanada@gmail.com>; S akhter <sakhter1015@gmail.com>; Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>; Mohammad Gani <mgani69@gmail.com>; azadcop <azadcop@yahoo.com>; Isha Khan <bdmailer@gmail.com>; Jalal Khan <jukhan@gmail.com>; Mohamed Nazir <nazir0101@gmail.com>; Sitangshu Guha <guhasb@gmail.com>; Mahfuzur Rahman <mahfuzur@aol.com>; skmirza.mirza <skmirza.mirza@gmail.com>; Abul Kasem <abul88@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 6:02 pm
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Your faces are open now. You bunch DH and hypocrites living on funding from the anti Islamic fanatics, who are always following the Devils. 

When Allah's wraths will come, your Devil lord will desert you, as he did during the first battle of 'Badar', if you remember his word  "what you see, I can see, but what I can see, you can't see. I also fear Allah(SWT) & I never can go against his will."

It's obvious, none of us were there, but you may ask your ancestors like Abu Zahel or Abu Lahaab

Razzak A. Syed


Sent from my iPhone


On 11 Oct. 2016, at 10:51 am, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

 
"It's not worth to argue with irrational personal who's attitude is like Nekre Kukur, never stops playing the same songs. Whom Allah guides, will be guided, whom he doesn't, none can. 
Better leave with Allah(SWT), soon will realise, because none knows when the last breath will be."
Razzak A. Syed
 
 
Folks:
 
This is the identity of Capt. Razzaak who believes in Islam blindly and he considers Koran is true like gold! But, Capt. Razzak is utterly ignorant (so called) Muslim who not only does not know anything about the Koran and islam; he also highly ignorant about the origins of various human names in the world. He should be ashamed of his utter ignorance. He has no idea how names were originated in the various parts of the world. I asked him to give me the meaning or justifications of the # 19 in Koran. But, he is not giving me that silly # 19 which I will prove a bogus thing only. Koran is full of contradictions and errors of all types. I will bring the subject later in this forum.  Thanks.
 
KAC
 
 
 
 



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These Razzaks/Bahars/Nazirs/Hussainis are the lowest common denominator of a clan, that requires nothing but staying blind, ignorant and dumb. They do not even understand that the Arabian system has failed them totally. They basically cheat and lie for the precious green cards by marrying cousins, sisters, mothers for the glory of being worthless citizens of some infidel countries . Once they get it, the new cycle starts again by creating the environment that they had initially fled from. These characters would never facilitate human intelligence and its quest for science, technology and arts. Zero contribution so far except the notoriety. They want everything but have no capacity to contribute to our human progress.  

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

This guy Razzak is a crazy blind-faith Islamist who even does not know what is in Koran and who is the real Allah of Koran! He is a robotic Muslim who can only attack people from left and right without any civilized purpose, and he is quoting some cut and paste Koranic nonsense without any intellectual purpose or goal. This forum should discard this "Pagal" in the dustbin where he belongs. We should not waste our time with this Islamic idiot anymore.

 

 

KC

 

 

From: Razzak Syed [mailto:amsmel@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:02 PM
To: Khurshed Chowdhury
Cc: Shah DeEldar; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; Shah Deeldar; ANISUR RAHMAN; Msa40; Post Card; mahbubkhan@ieee.org; aishams567@yahoo.com; Mohammed Amirul Islam; MBI Munshi; Muazzam Kazi; Capt Hossain; S akhter; Zoglul Husain; Mohammad Gani; azadcop@yahoo.com; Isha Khan; Jalal Khan; Mohamed Nazir; Sitangshu Guha; Mahfuzur Rahman; skmirza.mirza@gmail.com; Abul Kasem
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Your faces are open now. You bunch DH and hypocrites living on funding from the anti Islamic fanatics, who are always following the Devils. 

 

When Allah's wraths will come, your Devil lord will desert you, as he did during the first battle of 'Badar', if you remember his word  "what you see, I can see, but what I can see, you can't see. I also fear Allah(SWT) & I never can go against his will."

It's obvious, none of us were there, but you may ask your ancestors like Abu Zahel or Abu Lahaab

Razzak A. Syed

 

 

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On 11 Oct. 2016, at 10:51 am, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

 

"It's not worth to argue with irrational personal who's attitude is like Nekre Kukur, never stops playing the same songs. Whom Allah guides, will be guided, whom he doesn't, none can. 

Better leave with Allah(SWT), soon will realise, because none knows when the last breath will be."
Razzak A. Syed

 

 

Folks:

 

This is the identity of Capt. Razzaak who believes in Islam blindly and he considers Koran is true like gold! But, Capt. Razzak is utterly ignorant (so called) Muslim who not only does not know anything about the Koran and islam; he also highly ignorant about the origins of various human names in the world. He should be ashamed of his utter ignorance. He has no idea how names were originated in the various parts of the world. I asked him to give me the meaning or justifications of the # 19 in Koran. But, he is not giving me that silly # 19 which I will prove a bogus thing only. Koran is full of contradictions and errors of all types. I will bring the subject later in this forum.  Thanks.

 

KAC

 

 

 

From: Razzak Syed [mailto:amsmel@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:46 AM
To: Khurshed Chowdhury
Cc: Shah DeEldar; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; Shah Deeldar; ANISUR RAHMAN; Msa40; Post Card; mahbubkhan@ieee.org; aishams567@yahoo.com; Mohammed Amirul Islam; MBI Munshi; Muazzam Kazi; Capt Hossain; S akhter; Zoglul Husain; Mohammad Gani; azadcop@yahoo.com; Isha Khan; Jalal Khan; Mohamed Nazir; Sitangshu Guha; Mahfuzur Rahman; skmirza.mirza@gmail.com; Abul Kasem
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It's not worth to argue with irrational personal who's attitude is like Nekre Kukur, never stops playing the same songs. Whom Allah guides, will be guided, whom he doesn't, none can. 

 

Better leave with Allah(SWT), soon will realise, because none knows when the last breath will be.

Razzak A. Syed

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 


On 10 Oct. 2016, at 10:55 pm, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

Captain Razzak,

 

I am preoccupied with the last night's Presidential debate. Therefore, my response will be very short. Your story about your son's question is silly to me. I might answer this later. Now, please answer me what did you learn about NAMES from my earlier mail? Did it ring the bell in your commonsense at all? Did you learn anything from it? Just wondering.  Thanks.

 

 

KAC

 

 

From: Razzak Syed [mailto:amsmel@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2016 8:20 PM
To: Khurshed Chowdhury
Cc: Shah DeEldar; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; Shah Deeldar; ANISUR RAHMAN; Msa40; Post Card; mahbubkhan@ieee.org; aishams567@yahoo.com; Mohammed Amirul Islam; MBI Munshi; Muazzam Kazi; Capt Hossain; S akhter; Zoglul Husain; Mohammad Gani; azadcop@yahoo.com; Isha Khan; Jalal Khan; Mohamed Nazir; Sitangshu Guha; Mahfuzur Rahman
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Mr. KC,

       You aren't getting the clear message. Name matters because individual's name is the first identity for his/her faith or race. 

 

Also bear in mind, non Muslims who are willing to know about the faith Islam get confused, specially if a non Muslims gets confusing information from a person with Muslim identity. 

 

Besides, aren't we confusing our children? I share my experiences with my children. We always tried to pass on wisdoms inherited from our parents, accordingly they were asked to take care during accepting any foods for halal n haram, respect elders, don't call anyone by their names, specially people from Bangladesh, must address them Uncle n Auntie.

 

When my eldest two boys were 3 & 4 years old, we visited a friend's house on the of Eidul Fitre. Since I know them over 10 years, didn't expect any odds from the gathering. As soon as we got into our car, my eldest told my wife, ' Mum, uncles were drinking haram things, aren't they Muslims?'





I lost myself for words to answer my son. From that day, I decided to be cautious about practicing my faith n selective on social gathering. 





I don't care if a non Muslim keeps criticising my faith, I know my faith n it's guide me how to deal with them.





Hope everyone understand my point.

 


Razzak A. Syed

 

 

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On 10 Oct. 2016, at 10:46 am, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

Captain Razzak,

 

Why you are sooooo obsessed with names brother? How the names matters to you so much? And who are you to suggest somebody's names should be this and that brother? This is very silly behavior by you. Please stop bothering about the name callings and pay attention to the subject of our debate/discussions. Do you know that—actually there is no names in the whole world which is a Hindu name, Muslim name or Christian names? Muhammad, Omar, Osman, Abu Bakar, Hamza, etc, etc, are not any so called Muslim names at all. They are all Arabian names. Likewise, Dinesh, Ram, sham, Jadu, Madu, Mamata Banaerjee, Mukul, Kabita, Rahul, Putul, Anuska, Khitish, Montu, Rabi, etc are Bengali names. And, Rahman, Razzak, Muhammad Asghar, Anisur Rahman etc are some Arabian names. So where is the problems with the names for you brother? Please stop name calling and pay attention to the subject only, please!

 

 

KAC

 

 

 

 

From: Razzak Syed [mailto:amsmel@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2016 2:43 PM
To: Shah DeEldar
Cc: bangladesh-progressives googlegroups; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; Khurshed Chowdhury; Shah Deeldar; ANISUR RAHMAN; Msa40; Post Card; mahbubkhan@ieee.org; aishams567@yahoo.com; Mohammed Amirul Islam; MBI Munshi; Muazzam Kazi; Capt Hossain; S akhter; Zoglul Husain; Mohammad Gani; azadcop@yahoo.com; Isha Khan; Jalal Khan; Mohamed Nazir; Sitangshu Guha; Mahfuzur Rahman
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Explanations of 19 given on my earlier message as attachment. Wake up, read through. Make towbah for guidance from your creator, otherwise change your bloody name to dick, prick.... so that at least non Muslims can understand the sources of the information. 

Razzak A. Syed

 

 

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On 10 Oct. 2016, at 1:44 am, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

I love these characters. When they fail to argue, they complain to their uncles about Islam being demeaned and harassed and hence, they need to block the messenger? Ironically, these people love to live in a secular country but hate to see Muslim dominated countries taking the secular and democratic path. Zia was not any different from other military dictators and these trolls would never accept that bitter truth. Since people were allowed to attend Zia's janaja, he must have been a good dictator? This I call a typical 'Miskin' argument. When you push them harder, they just fume and disappear from the forum or bring more nonsense to the discussion. Zia changed Bangladesh for the worst and brought blood into politics. That is his sole legacy for the nation.  

 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

"Zia saved Bangladesh from what? By killing founder of a state? By patronizing killers and rewarding them with diplomatic perks and posts? By murdering four founding leaders in Dhaka jail? By rehabilitating Golam Azam and his henchmen to set up their Jamati shop to taunt freedom fighters? By changing constitution without any mandate? By introducing military dictatorship with flagrant violation of the constitution? By arranging a sham Zia only election? Don't you people got any shame?"— Quote from Shah DeEldar.

 

Very well said by Shah DeEldar. In addition to what you have said above very correctly, Gen. Zia also did destroy the basic principle of Shaik Mujib's Bangladesh and immediately started to convert secular Bangladesh into a mini Pakistan bringing the rise of Jamati Islamic utopia the fire of which still burning sometimes just like Holy Artijan's jihadists very recently. That was the most important success of the betrayals of Gen. Zia.

 

 

KC

 

 

 

 

Zia saved Bangladesh from what? By killing founder of a state? By patronizing killers and rewarding them with diplomatic perks and posts? By murdering four founding leaders in Dhaka jail? By rehabilitating Golam Azam and his henchmen to set up their Jamati shop to taunt freedom fighters? By changing constitution without any mandate? By introducing military dictatorship with flagrant violation of the constitution? By arranging a sham Zia only election? Don't you people got any shame?

 

The list is long! Unless someone is really deaf and dumb, he/she would not praise this congenital criminal dictator. The question is whether Zia was serving motherland Pakistan or Bangladesh with so many political murders? No wonder, why he met his divine poetic justice right on this earth! 

 

On Saturday, October 8, 2016 9:58 AM, "RANU CHOWDHURY ranu51@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I tried to keep myself away from this useless discussion. Yet, at one stage I did make a comment and immediately got a nicely presented rebuttal from one. I thought of responding but again held back on the idea that we had our individual mindsets which were difficult to be changed, modified, altered whatever arguments one presented to the contrary. I agree I was no exception. I also acknowledge that I am the least qualified of the wonderful members in this group to enter into an expert level discussion on any issue. So, forgive me for my ignorance. 

 

Frankly, I see no problem in using pseudonyms. But it surely is objectionable if someone using a Muslim name tries to demean Islam at every opportuity, knowingly or unknowingly. I had said before, leave faith alone. It is an individual choice. And there is a difference between "criticism" (some may qualify it with constructive criticism) and "attack." And, is it difficult to understand an alien agenda for Bangladesh? Sikkimization or Indianazation of Bangladesh is definitely an alien agenda for Bangladesh. 

 

 And as for Ziaur Rahman, I wanted some specific examples when the former president became " monster when Bangladesh was at a critical juncture of developing it's nascent democracy from the terrible ruins and bankruptcy." I did not get any, other than hearsay and vague arguments. I can only say that Ziaur Rahman saved Bangladesh, at least twice, when the seasoned politicians failed. 

 


Only thugs, criminals, devils, heinous and evil minded and lucifer use fake name (like Shah DeElder) to terrorize civilized society and law abiding people.

 



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The problem is rather a different one. Like many others, I refused to love Golam Azam and his genocidal thugs. I see dictator Zia in no better light than a good soldier becoming a monster when Bangladesh was at a critical juncture of developing it's nascent democracy from the terrible ruins and bankruptcy. I do not see BNP/Jamatis are the real catalysts for democracy because of their criminal behavior and history. With the same breath, I would also say, I have no love for Awamis either... but they are probably the  better devils?


So, these positions are being construed as anti-religion? However, I did not invite people publicly to a pork filet mignon party during the Qurbani but some idiot did ask Hindu dada-didis to join his beef party. I rather asked, what is the benefit of consuming all these cattle during a week than through out the whole year? I asked, why children should be forced to witness this gory slaughters directly or indirectly? For what good reason? Would not that in-sensitize children from gory killings? Aren't we witnessing enough machete killings in the public as recent as just few days ago? Are these killings happening in the vacuum?

When you can beat people with cogent arguments, kill  and silence them as they did to many writers like Abhijits, Oyashekurs and Anantas.  


 

 

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:40 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:

I find it distasteful that people gang up on somebody to disclose his real name and identity and condemn him for not using his real name. Then this condemnation becomes personal and abusive.

 

What does it matter if one uses a pseudo name or real name? In this day and age of cyberspace, everybody's name is a pseudo name. When I respond to someone like Capt Hossain or mahbubkhan35 or abahar.canada or any other username, do I know them? No, they are all usernames or pseudo names to me. For example, mahbubkhan35 could well be mahbubkhan10 or mahbubkhan1000000, or abahar.canada could well be abahar.nigeria, who cares? These are all pseudo names to me or to others.

 

So, to get worked up that Shah DeEldar is not a real name is totally insane. It only shows how vacuous these people are. As far as I can see, Shah DeEldar is well educated, writes well and makes sensible comments. If someone does not like his comments, he may ignore them. But there is no justification to be abusive and insulting (or pick up a totally insane point to start a fight). It goes for everybody including Shah DeEldar. But, on balance, Shah DeEldar is far less abusive or abrasive than some people who use totally disgusting expletives. I think I have made my point.

 

- AR  

 

On Thursday, 6 October 2016, 17:02, Msa40 <msa40@aol.com> wrote:

 

 

 

"He should be strongly recommended to use his real name ( or at least submit his identity to the moderator) or be removed from

the forum." - abahar. canada.

 

Is abahar.canada your real name, Sir/Madame?

 

If it is real, how do we know it is real?

 

Please clarify. Thanks.

 

 

Mohammad Asghar

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Post Card <abahar.canada@gmail.com>; Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com>; Msa40 <msa40@aol.com>
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Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2016 8:50 am
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I am very proud what I do and I do not owe anybody a dime. I started to write in many forums because I saw the one-sided abuse. My aim was to take on some chronic abusers with a sharp Katana sword and put them in their place.

My crime is, I have made them defensive, sweaty and soil in their pants. Thankfully, many others joined me to take these people on and that has become unpalatable. I am branded as an abuser of the forum while they consider themselves as angels of love and harmony?  

May be, people should compile my 'abusive' writings next to their writings to see who have been really abusing the forum rules? Obviously some people do not sense the ugly odor from their own farts.

 




On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Post Card <abahar.canada@gmail.com> wrote:

SHAH DE ELDER IS THE ABUSER

 

In this thread we are particularly drawing the attention of the moderator to a fake ID user named Shah De Elder who uses a fake name and instead of using arguments to defend his position, he is pretty abusive to the forum members. 

 

Personally, it doesn't bother me to have discussions about religions because good arguments can make issues colorful and they can even help us overcoming superstitions and prejudices. Having said this, many of us are familiar with some individuals who use their real names but has been promoting their earthly lord's dictates in different forums for years to bring changes in mundane matters. I normally avoid them and it helps but Shah De Elder is the abuser. He should be strongly recommended to use his real name ( or at least submit his identity to the moderator) or be removed from the forum..

 

 

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, you have said it so much better. People who would like to set up their own specific agendas, are free to form their own secluded group and be happy with it.  Nobody will force them to play ball with others if they do not feel for it. But these sensitive souls should not force other forum participants to conform to their wishes. That is simply not right.

 

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 8:49 PM, 'mahfuzur@aol.com' via Bangladesh Progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googl egroups.com> wrote:

I am not even sure that I belong to the PFC-Friends. My posts often seem not to reach its members, something the moderator might look into. Still, allow me to say a few words on a subject you have been talking about over the last few days. There is much in the current discussions that is reasonable. But  It is necessary to look beneath it all. Personally, I rank decency in the use of language among the virtues of decent men and women. But we cannot stop at that. Consider the following sentences from one of the contributors of the debate, or should I say quarrel, which I have borrowed from this thread of exchanges.

          

                        I fully support what you said, Mr. Khan. No personal attacks, no foul language, no attack on any faith. Especially, faith is a very                                 sensitive matter. It should be left to an individual to choose what he wants to follow. If one prefers to remain an atheist or non-                              conformist but that should not be one's licence to attack other's faith.  

                    It may also be preferable that we do not propagate or promote an alien agenda that is contrary to the interest of Bangladesh 

                   anaspirations of its people. 

 

    The statement implores members of the group not to attack "on any faith." But how do you define "attack"? There is no universally acceptable definition of attack in a debate, even when only decent language is used. But look at the next sentence in the text above and we get closer to the meaning of the word "attack" used here. Faith is a "very sensitive matter," we are told, and should not be touched. Indeed "hurting the religious sentiment" has been taboo in our society, and breaking it can nowadays sent the perpetrator to jail or worse fate. So, must we not hurt such sentiments ? If the answer is no, it has serious implications for freedom. Freedom curtailed is freedom destroyed and the ethos of a modern society goes against such curtailment. Moreover, modern history shows that mankind has made progress towards greater freedom largely by actually hurting orthodox religious sentiments. The history of Enlightenment in Europe shows this. Voltaire is a great example here. He had to flee France in the aftermath of his scathing "attack " on the church. Ultimately freedom won. 

     Note also that the author of the above paragraph suggests that atheist or non-conformists should not think that they have licence to attack others' faith. Apart from the difficulty of defining "attack", does it suggest that the "Others" can, on the other hand, attack the atheist with impunity? The latter in fact is the rule of the game, worked out and enforced in Bangladeshi society today. 

     And, finally, who defines " alien agenda"? By such blanket term, one can imply a whole lot of things. It is therefore unhelpful to talk in these terms.

     All of the above considerations are important. Merely focusing on "discipline" will be like shoving them under the carpet.

 

Mahfuzur Rahman    

    

    

 

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To: Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2016 4:42 pm
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Thank you. Forum moderators should know that... it is the contributors that make a forum vibrant, articulate and enlightening. If we start agreeing with everybody and sing Kumbaya song, that would bore people to death. There will be some heated discussions but that is all good for a forum. If a religious practice is questioned, why can't people write an intelligent response? The members are not really illiterates but got degrees from universities? What are they afraid of? Loosing face to opposing sides? If people are questioning about everything, why should religion be beyond any critic? Is it so fragile that our mere words would destroy a God/Gods? I find the argument is silly very comical.

 

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Khurshed Chowdhury <chowdhuryk@gmail.com> wrote:

"People who have been complaining are no saints. Once, people started giving back with overwhelming force and rhetoric, all hell has broken loose. These actors can attack, lie and demean anybody's  integrity and religious or no-religious indoctrination. And, that is perfectly legit because they belong to some special God loving group? If moderators want to be fair, he/she should not muzzle one group but let others to post whatever they please. That would be called favoritism. People who are complaining, should show the way what is good and what is not? Writing nothing but complaining about the content is not the way. If subject Islam is a taboo and beyond anybody's question, then the same rule should be applied to Hindu, Buddhists, Christianity, Judaism and others too. Alternatively, the forum should be declared as an Islamic property and ban others, who do not conform to the religious rule. I will have no problem with such new decree. I am on many forums including Mukto-mona, Bangladesh-progressives, Disqus, Tweeter and many others. I spar with thousands people everyday. I am a free spirit and I have no intention to stick around where democracy would not be respected. Thank you."

 

Dear All:

 

I do agree with almost everything said by Mr. DeEldar above.  I would like to know what is the definition of "Criticism"? We have been discussing about Islam, about the true face of Islam, and nothing I could find as Criticism here. Lately, another very important issue (Kurbani in Islam) has been brought by our honorable Dr. Mahfuzur Rahman which needs vigorous discussions in order to establish the truth about Kurbani! We may soon start that issue also to discuss. I don't think by opening the true face of any subject is called: Criticism! Please correct me if I am wrong!  Thanks.

 

 

KAC

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Forum Discipline // PFC-Friends

 

 

People who have been complaining are no saints. Once, people started giving back with overwhelming force and rhetoric, all hell has broken loose. These actors can attack, lie and demean anybody's  integrity and religious or no-religious indoctrination. And, that is perfectly legit because they belong to some special God loving group? If moderators want to be fair, he/she should not muzzle one group but let others to post whatever they please. That would be called favoritism. People who are complaining, should show the way what is good and what is not? Writing nothing but complaining about the content is not the way. If subject Islam is a taboo and beyond anybody's question, then the same rule should be applied to Hindu, Buddhists, Christianity, Judaism and others too. Alternatively, the forum should be declared as an Islamic property and ban others, who do not conform to the religious rule. I will have no problem with such new decree. I am on many forums including Mukto-mona, Bangladesh-progressives, Disqus, Tweeter and many others. I spar with thousands people everyday. I am a free spirit and I have no intention to stick around where democracy would not be respected. Thank you.  

 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:07 AM, mahbubkhan@ieee.org <mahbubkhan35@hotmail.com> wrote:

In this open and very active forum of this magnitude and diversity where the participants are located worldwide including the USA, Bangladesh, Canada, Australia, Asia, Europe etc, with many very thoughtful and talented people in this PFC-Friends Forum, it is easier if we focus on the messages rather than the messangers. There have been requests not to make any personal attacks or to use any vulger words or phrases in this discussion forum. There have also been requests not to attack the religion of Islam in particular and other religions in general, and that is because it appears to be a cheap way to try to win an argument or to show the wisdom. There are many other good topics that can be discussed by thoughtful and talented people with sound logic but without vulgarity. It is highly expected that the respected membership of this very active global forum will maintain mutual respect and civility while discussion continues through sound logic on many good topics. With best regards.

 


From: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Salim Rashid <srashid17@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 3:00 AM
To: pfc-friends@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} the value of discourse

 

Much as I enjoy some of the postings and feel provoked by others, I cannot continue to belong to it as long as one of the most prolific contributors is pseudonymous.

My request to the moderator: either assure me that you know the identity of all contributors and that some individuals have good reason to be 'unknown', or please remove me from this list.

Thanks and Khuda hafiz

Salim

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 1:40 AM, 'javed helali' via PFC-Friends <pfc-friends@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Well said. That's how it should be.

 

Javed Helali

 


From: Salim Rashid <srashid17@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:27 PM
Subject: {PFC-Friends} the value of discourse

 

The recent, specific, claims that someone or some people are sending messages under pseudonyms is disturbing. The language has sometimes become insulting and vulgar, despite several requests to the contrary. This prevents discourse, which is the main value of such a forum. I wish I knew how to stop the exchange at sarcasm and the occasional barb.

However, if someone really fears retaliation for participating in this forum, perhaps they should leave? and if they stay, why use a false name? anyone who posts has to provide the moderator with a definite identity.

Can the moderator please take a stand, one way or another?

 

 

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