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Friday, October 26, 2012

[mukto-mona] Whither Telugu [& India] culture? [Look what we have done]



Whither Telugu culture?
Being modern does not mean being western. Just look at Japanese & Chinese they are ultra modern but not western. They have retained there historical & cultural identity. We have become coco cola boys & pizza girls [Sales person waiting for order from west].  

RANEE KUMAR

Offbeat Are we jumping at the opportunity to westernise our lifestyle and ignoring native practices?
Traditions ruleHow often do we witness the celebration of drawing muggu these days, even in villages?Photo: T. Vijaya Kumar
Traditions rule How often do we witness the celebration of drawing muggu these days, even in villages?

Gone are the rural customs and way of living in our region. It's not hyperbolic to say that our state has westernised by leaps and bounds compared to the rest of the country. Thanks to the multitudes who have made it to the US either for higher education or employment or both, their homecoming during vacation marked a heady revolution in their homes back in India be it villages, towns or cities. The kith and kin living in the precincts of some remote village in Andhra Pradesh have suddenly found themselves westernising their native dwellings to suit their children abroad.

Gone are the 'muggu' (kolam) in the dung-topped (a dust-proof antiseptic) front yard, the glass-topped dining tables, air-conditioners, meshed doors and windows, westernised baths, not to talk of 'filtered safe drinking' water, cornflakes, mega televisions with English DVD facilities — in a word, the home if not the village should look like a mini California house or else the grandchildren refuse to step in leave alone live for a month or so!

In the process, out goes our culinary skills and Andhra menu or a vestige of it may still find a place on the dining table — and in comes pizzas, burgers, (ordered from nearby town) noodles, steamed rice, bland dal (pappu) and bland vegetables cooked in sauces. The house should be sterile lest the NRI children develop infection. No early morning baths, no change of clothes, no timely meals, no timely sleep. The jet lag continues into a lotus eaters' stupor-just laze around on a bed with the TV on and not do anything. That's holidaying in India. The NRI parents go around meeting the most important persons in the family with gifts in hand, apologising for their children not being able to identify anyone or anything.

The other end of this spectrum are the home-bound NRIs who, post-recession, have secured plum jobs and have created gated community living for themselves — very close to US standards but still very much in India — a via media for getting the best of both worlds. There is a sudden spurt of interest in classical music and dance which are our cultural identities.

The Americanisation of kids was their nightmare earlier in the US especially as their kids reached the early teens. Today, they have everything in their power to usher in the Indian traditional arts along with sports and other outdoor hobbies. Everything falls into the extra-curricular activities purview so that once the terrible teens are safely traversed under constant parental vigil, a la 'traditional' Indian upbringing, the reinforced Indianness would be able to combat the velocity of inevitable tornados of the West. Higher education in the West would look into other than academic achievements. There is no scope for miscalculations here; it's a sure shot. Indian classical music and dance are disciplines unto themselves that require diligence in order to surmount even the fundamental stage.

There is yet another third dimension: a few either among the NRIs or an American-influenced Andhra Pradesh, who genuinely take to classical Indian performing arts with a sense of pursuance and innate desire to take it forward. But then, exceptions are never the rule!

Today, NRIs have everything in their power to usher in the Indian traditional arts along with sports and other outdoor hobbies.
 
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-fridayreview/article3557580.ece


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[mukto-mona] Universities in US & China are getting lessons on human values from the great epic - Ramayana



Universities in US & China are getting lessons on human values from the great epic - Ramayana
[In Secular India Ramayana and Mahabharata are communal]

AHMEDABAD: Students at universities in China are getting lessons on human values from the great Hindu epic - Ramayana.

Wise sayings from Valmiki's text are being adapted by the universities teaching Hindi in China and are being made relevant to the current world situations. At least six leading universities in China including the prestigious Peking University, the Beijing Foreign Studies University as well as colleges in different parts of China are teaching Hindi, which has become a popular foreign language in China.

"We are taught verses from Ramayana as part of literature classes at the university," said Eric Huidram, a student-turned Chinese translator and interpreter from Manipur.

Several universities in the US have included reading the Ramayana as part of comparative humanities and literature sessions on Asia.

It was through the efforts of Chinese indologist Ji Xianlin that many Chinese learnt the language of Sanskrit and the epic Ramayana. Ji, who founded the Department of Eastern Languages at Peking University, translated Ramayana from the original Sanskrit to Chinese in poetry form. Ji's translated work of Ramayana and Mahabharata will be displayed at the culture park being planned at Kailash Mansarovar by India China Economic and Cultural Council (ICEC).

"The Chinese version of Ramayana will be kept in a library at the park for visitors and researchers to read. We will also run it in the in-house television at the culture park," said Jagat Shah, convenor, Kailash Mansarovar Cultural Park and chairman, ICEC-Gujarat. The project is being handled by Shah from his office in Ahmedabad.

Besides a library, the cultural park will have a museum, a research lab for studying the geographic impacts and the changes that have occurred in Kailash Mansarovar over a period of time, a language centre to learn about and share different cultures and religions and an information centre.

At a recent summit to discuss about logistics of the park, ICEC also invited people who have already visited Kailash Mansarovar to understand the journey from the pilgrims' point of view.



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[mukto-mona] Re: [KHABOR] Who Killed Gonesh's mother ?



Does Mr. Anwar have any doubt that Saaidi was not a worst kind of Pakistani collaborator? Why do we need what Ganesh said? There are more evidences. 

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On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:45 PM, "Mohiuddin Anwar" <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

 
 
 
Ms. SD,
Do you thing Gonesh is a Hindu Razakar ?
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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [KHABOR] Who Killed Gonesh's mother ?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:35:24 -0400

It sounds like Gonesh has sold his mother for money but we all know what Paki Razakar, Shyedi did during the liberation war. Do not worry, Islam is not going to save him. He will have his justice!
-SD

2012/10/25 Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>


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Subject: RE: [KHABOR] Who Killed Gonesh's mother ?
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:20:57 -0500

 

Very simple! Gonesh is a Razakar!

 

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সাঈদী নয় পাক সেনারা আমার মাকে হত্যা করেছে: ট্রাইব্যুনালে গণেশ (ভিডিও)

23 Oct, 2012

১৯৭১ সালে সংঘটিত মানবতাবিরোধী অপরাধের মামলায় আটক জামায়াতের নায়েবে আমীর মাওলানা দেলাওয়ার হোসাইন সাঈদীর পক্ষে ১৭তম সাফাই সাক্ষী গণেশ চন্দ্র সাহার সাক্ষ্যগ্রহণের মধ্য দিয়ে মামলার সাক্ষ্যগ্রহণ সম্পন্ন হয়েছে।

মঙ্গলবার ট্রাইব্যুনাল- এর চেয়ারম্যান বিচারপতি নিজামুল হকের নিতৃত্বে তিন সদস্যের ট্রাইব্যুনালে মঙ্গলবার মামলার সাক্ষ্য গ্রহণ সমাপ্ত ঘোষণা করেন।


ইতিপূর্বে দেয়া আদেশ অনুযায়ী আজ মামলায় চার জন সাফাই সাক্ষীর সাক্ষ্যগ্রহণের জন্য ট্রাইব্যুনালে ধার্য থাকলেও আসামিপক্ষ মাত্র একজন সাক্ষী হাজির করে। পরে একজন সাক্ষীর সাক্ষ্যগ্রহণের মধ্য দিয়ে প্রসিকিউশন ডিফেন্সপক্ষের সাক্ষ্যগ্রহণ শেষ হয়।

মানবতাবিরোধী অপরাধের অভিযোগে আটকদের মধ্য থেকে এই প্রথম একটি মামলার সাক্ষ্যগ্রহণ শেষ হলো। এছাড়া মামলার যুক্তিতর্ক উপস্থাপনের জন্য আগামী নভেম্বর দিন ধার্য করেছে আন্তর্জাতিক অপরাধ ট্রাইব্যুনাল-১।

গত সেপ্টেম্বর থেকে সাঈদীর পক্ষে সাক্ষ্যগ্রহণ শুরু হয়। মঙ্গলবার সাঈদীর পক্ষে ১৭তম সাফাই সাক্ষী গণেশ চন্দ্র শাহা (৫১) তার জবানবন্দি পেশ করেন।

গণেশ চন্দ্র শাহা হলেন পিরোজপুরে ১৯৭১ সালে পাক বাহিনীর দ্বারা নির্যাতিত নারী ভাগীরথী সাহার ছেলে। যার নামে পিরোজপুর এলাকায় একটি চত্বরের নাম করণ করা হয়েছে।

ছেলে গণেশ চন্দ্র সাহা জানান, পাক বাহিনীরা কিভাবে ধরে নিয়ে তার মা'কে জিপ গাড়ির সঙ্গে বেঁধে নিয়ে গেছে। এমন অত্যাচারের কথা বর্ণনা দেয়ার সময় হাউ-মাই করে কান্নায় ভেঙে পড়েন সাক্ষী গনেশ চন্দ্র। তিনি তার জবানবন্দিতে বলেন, 'আমার মাকে পাক সেনারা হত্যা করেছে। সাঈদী সাহেব আমার মায়ের হত্যার সঙ্গে জড়িত ছিলেন না।'

এর আগে সাঈদীর পক্ষে আরো ১৬জন সাক্ষ্য দিয়েছেন। তারা হচ্ছেন- মো. শামসুল আলম তালুকদার, আব্দুর রাজ্জাক আকন্দ. মো. নুরুল হক হাওলাদার, আবুল হোসেন, খসরুল আলম, রওশন আলী, জামাল উদ্দিন ফকির, কুবাত আলী, হেমায়েত উদ্দিন, গোলাম মোস্তফা, আনোয়ার হোসেন, হাফিজুল হক, এমরান হোসাইন, আব্দুস সালাম হাওলাদার ইমরান হাওলাদার।

আসামীপক্ষ গত ১৪ আগস্ট ট্রাইব্যুনাল- ৪৮ জন সাফাই সাক্ষীর সাক্ষ্য দেয়ার অনুমতির আবেদন করলে সাক্ষীর সংখ্যা ২০ জন নির্ধারণ করে দেয় ট্রাইব্যুনাল। সাঈদীর বিরুদ্ধে তালিকাভুক্ত মোট ২০ জন প্রত্যক্ষদর্শী এবং জব্দ তালিকা থেকে আরো জন মিলিয়ে ২৭ জন এবং মামলার তদন্ত কর্মকর্তা (আইও) সহ মোট ২৮ জন সাক্ষী সাক্ষ্য দিয়েছেন।

বাকি আরো ৪৬ জন সাক্ষীর মধ্যে প্রসিকিউশনের আবেদনের প্রেক্ষিতে ১৬ জন সাক্ষীর তদন্ত কর্মকর্তার কাছে দেয়া জবানবন্দিকে তাদের অনুপস্থিতিতে সাক্ষ্য হিসেবে আমলে নিয়েছে ট্রাইব্যুনাল। মঙ্গলবার ওই ১৬ জনের একজন আদালতে প্রসিকিউশনের পক্ষে সাক্ষ্য দিতে না এসে আসামি মাওলানা দেলাওয়ার হোসাইন সাঈদীর পক্ষে সাক্ষ্য দিলেন।

রাষ্ট্রপক্ষের প্রসিকিউটর সৈয়দ হায়দার আলী বলেন, টাকার বিনিময়ে গণেশ চন্দ্র সাহা সাক্ষ্য দিয়েছেন।

তবে আসামিপক্ষের আইনজীবী তাজুল ইসলাম অভিযোগের কথা অস্বীকার করে বলেন, কোনো ব্যক্তি তার মায়ের মৃত্যু নিয়ে মিথ্যা বলতে পারেন না। কারণ তার মা একজন সম্মানী মানুষ। তার মা ভাগীরথী শাহার নামে বাংলাদেশের মুক্তিযুদ্ধেও অনেক ইতিহাস, নাটক বই লেখা আছে।

তিনি বলেন, গণেশ চন্দ্র সাহার মায়ের হত্যার সঙ্গে সাঈদী সাহেবের কোনো সম্পর্ক ছিল না। এই সত্য কথাটি বলতে তিনি ট্রাইব্যুনালে সঈদীর পক্ষে সাক্ষ্য দিতে এসেছেন।

আসামিপক্ষের আইনজীবী আরো বলেন, সাক্ষী মামলার তদন্ত কর্মকর্তা হেলাল উদ্দিনের কাছে তার মায়ের মৃত্যুর বর্ণনা দেয়ার পরে তাকে সঈদীর বিরুদ্ধে মিথ্যা সাক্ষ্য দিতে বলা হলে তিনি তা করতে রাজি হননি। এজন্য প্রসিকিউশনের পক্ষে না এসে সাঈদীর পক্ষে সাফাই সাক্ষ্য দিয়েছেন।

গত বছরের ১৪ জুলাই মানবতাবিরোধী অপরাধের মামলায় সাঈদীর বিরুদ্ধে আনুষ্ঠানিক অভিযোগ আমলে নেয়া হয়। ১৯ নভেম্বর



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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist



If I claim myself as a full proof non-contradictory person, I would be actually committing a sin of contradiction. I am not and I do think you are either. Our minds are full with dichotomies in regards to our thoughts, thinking and acts. And, that is very healthy sign!
The instance that you bring forward is not really a contradiction. I was rather advocating like a devil's advocate to defend Mr. Guha's position from an attack from a right wing nut, who can justify his love for Saudis, Pakistanis and Islamic Ummah while he would not allow similar allegiance for Mr. Guha. Mr. Guha can love US or any other Pygmy lands but not the infidel India?
I am sorry I can't go with such stupid logic. As long as he is not harming Bangladesh, I do not see any problem with his position. His demands for minority rights in Bangladesh are totally legitimate as Muslims would demand the same in any country they reside.
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 

People' allegiance should be to the truth and their country! But allegiance to a country should not automatically mean an unconditional allegiance to a governm
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not agree more.


HOWEVER in reality, most of our political "allegiances" are very predictable and often goes against interest of our country and people in it.

Why can't Mr. Guha have same right to show allegiance to Hindu center of origin, India?

>>>>>>>> Having said that, I just read your earlier post and it seems you are contradicted yourself. For Mr. Guha or Mr. Gulam (As long they are Bangladeshis), they HAVE to have their respective countries as "First priority" over any other countries. Similarly when someone migrates to the US, they should be loyal to USA in social and political matters.

Having emotional connection is one thing and having "Allegiance" is another.


A  tormentor belonging to the state has no right to ask any such insulting question to anybody, let alone a minority. 

>>>>>>> Fully agree.

HOWEVER if any person (regardless of their religious identity) is involved in anti-state activities, they should be questioned and persecuted (If found guilty). Despite all of our shortcomings, we are a free country and we should give it a little respect.


Did not Surjo Sen love his country? If he were alive today, he would have been called many different names and eventually be thrown out from his country of origin?

>>>>>>>>>>> Well we have seen many fundamental changes in our political allegiances since liberation.

Also to be fair to all, politics and politicians do evolve respecting the climate around them. For example, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibor Rahman started as part of the then "Muslim league". His mentor was undoubtedly a leader for the Muslims first. Because that was needed for the time (during 40's). Even Awami League was born as "Awami Muslim league" and during course of time, it changed to address need of people.

I think despite all of our shortcomings (Both Bangladesh and west Bengal), we have some respect for people like Surjo Sen and Titumir (And many undocumented freedom fighters).

Because of "Monatization of modern Bangladeshi politics" most folks were affected adversely. Today (In most cases) money decides our politics not ideologies. And it is a reflection of mainstream people from all faith backgrounds.

If we care to stand up for people of Bangladesh, our politics will refect a positive shift. Today our major political parties do not have "Democracy" inside their political parties (Except Jamat-e-islami). So before we keep pointing fingers and take over the "Victim" position, we have to advocate positive changes with ourselves first then the politics we love/like to support.

It will be a monumental task to change from "Money/power base politics" to "Value based politics". However unless we make some waves towards our "Common values", we cannot expect to see anything good from our political leaders anytime soon.

Even in cyberspace, I see more "Blind love for parties" than value based support. By doing this we are making enemies among between brothers and sisters. So the evolution process has to start from our own little world.

Shalom!
 


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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:01 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 
People' allegiance should be to the truth and their country! But allegiance to a country should not automatically mean an unconditional allegiance to a government. A  tormentor belonging to the state has no right to ask any such insulting question to anybody, let alone a minority. Did not Surjo Sen love his country? If he were alive today, he would have been called many different names and eventually be thrown out from his country of origin?
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 
I think we are just arguing over nothing.

First of all, Muslims do NOT show "Allegiance" to Mecca or Median. Rather we show our "Allegiance" to our creator--Allah(SWT). We like to visit Mecca to perform some religious duties and learn from history of those special places.

Similarly, there is nothing wrong if a Bangladeshi Hindu have some affection to India (For religious or other reasons). However his/her allegiance HAVE to be to their respective countries. Same goes for Muslims as well. We do not have an "Islamic Kahlifa" in our times. So there is nothing wrong to have sympathy, emotional or religious connections with certain places outside Bangladesh. However "Allegiance" has to be with Bangladesh.

I know there are some idiots among us (in all faiths) who go overboard to show their love/respect for "Foreign" countries but we have use our God given common sense to have a priority. For me, God, family, country is a good order ( I think US Marines have the same).


American and European Jews do the same thing.

>>>>>>>>> Jews have some affection for the place where they have some history. It is normal as long they don't cross the line. Click here to read what happens when they are caught crossing the line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17660646

Some more info...

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=566

America is a nation of immigrants and pretty liberal about such things. Still the punishment for having "Allegiance" (AKA treason) during war is death penalty. Most countries of the civilized world have similar policies.

Therefore, If a Bangladeshi Hindu have some affection towards India or America, there is NOTHING wrong with it. However some of them start to work for India/America against Bangladesh, you can call them "Rajakar/Mirjafar" for it. That would be WRONG!

BTW, I have said nothing new. Most of us know these things. Just a reminder to all.


I urge all members to be a little tolerant and respectful of each other. If the educated among us acts like fools, how in God's name we expect illiterate and less educated people to act "Perfectly" all the time? Let us set a good example for everyone and do our little bit for our people. :-)

Shalom!


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Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 7:49 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 
Why can't Mr. Guha have same right to show allegiance to Hindu center of origin, India? American and European Jews do the same thing. You can justify your allegiance towards Mecca and Medina but others have no choice but to follow your Islamic dictate? Practice as you preach, bro!

Why terrorist Nadal Hassan can kill his own American colleagues in the name of Islam and be treated like a hero by people like you? Why is that discrimination, bro? Because being a Muslim is so different from being a Hindu, Jew or  Christian?

I do not now whether Mr. Guha is a fan of Modi but I know Osama and Al-Zahihis are the true heroes of millions of Muslims. But you think that is totally OK because they pray with you in the same row?

You do not make good arguments, bro. Look at yourself in the mirror and then judge others!
-SD

  

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Mr. SD
Not only myself,  billion Muslims pleadge their alligience to Holy Makkah and Holy Madina (except some Athiests who has Islamic name). Donot complicate your view like attaching Pakistan or Israel or other nations with our pleadge to Islams holiest place Makkah and Madinah.   Hindu fundamentalist Narendra's are hero of people like you and Guho's not myself..Shibshena are Guho's favourite party.  Why calling the so called issue of  cleansing minorities from Bangladesh while  pro-Indian Baksalis are in power in Bangladesh ? Why Guho's never protest killing inncocent Bangladeshis by Hayena BSF Force ?
 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com>
To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:30:05 -0400

Brother Mohi,
If you can show your full love and dedication to Mecca, Medina, Pakistan and Muslim ummah, why can't Mr. Guha show some affinity for a country like India? Why should that bother you when people like you are ready to cleanse minorities from their ancestral land? Does he need to be a Jamati or BNP cadre to earn your trust? Who do you consider yourself? You don't own Bangladesh? Do you?

It would be better if you talk to the point. People in the US can burn their own flag if they wish and you as a foreign national are allowed to sing your Islami song as much you want. Why do you think Mr. Guha needs to think and act like you?
-SD

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Sri Sitangshu,
 
Your love for Mohan Bharot is well known to most Bangladeshis. Mohan Bharot
is your second home make no doubt about it. Can you deny that ?
Did you forget Rohinga muslim killing by Burmese security forces well supported by
Burmese Monks ?
I don't thnk Bangladeshi Buddists supported that killing.
Ramu Tragedy was created by Hasina regime to show to the civilized
World that Hasina is needed to fight the extreamist elements of Bangladesh, therefore
We saw lot of Awamis engaged in tne demonstration before the Ramu Tragedy.
You never protested the recent Murti destruction in Bangladesh, Why ?
Your love  for oppressive/dictatorial Hasina regime is well known to us.
Do you think opporessive Hasina will remain in power indefinitely ?
She has to go, change is coming InshaAllah.
 
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To: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:20:29 -0400

 
Hello Mohiuddin: I never expect your support and if you support me sometime, then I must think, I am not in the right path!
 
Can you tell me one thing: When Buddhists were beating Muslims in Burma, you had proposed that all Buddhists need to be sent to Burma from BD. Now you are shedding crocodiles tears for Buddhists and Hindus! For what?
 
I am glad that I am not pro-Pakistan or Iran or BNP, Jamat and I am pro-democracy. India is the largest democracy. Just think this point: will you send your under 18 son (Imaginary) to Pakistan, Iran, BD alone to stay there; but you will send him to London, USA or India; this is not because they are non-Muslims; rather they are democratic and give some respect to all. Look, all those Muslim countries could not produce an Oscar winner AR Rahman; India does, because in democracy you have the ability to grow, not in any religion based country! That is why we will always want BD a democratic country, not a mini Pakistan.
Thank you.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:
Very good comment from Ms.Farida Mazid. I support her views not views of Sitanshu's. Sitangshi is pro-Indian and always tries to protect the interest
of his second home India and forgets the interest of his motherland Bangladesh. He never condemned the killing of Banladeshis by Hayena BSF'[s.


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From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "khabor@yahoogroups.com" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:45:22 -0400

 
          Sitangshu,
                           You're a good activist, but a very lazy analyzer.  This not a time for easy arithmetics. You say you're against 'fundamentalists' but you really end up endorsing their ideas in a covert way.
            Remember 2004 Presidential election time?  There was a Osama bin Laden video that suddenly made an appearance and scared the voters against Islamic terrorists. And Bush won narrowly.  This time there is a scare tactics of Tea Parties to label Obama as a "Muslim" which would turn away millions of Christian fundamentalist voters.

            Keep in mind: A Republican win would favor Jamaati fundamentalist of Bangladesh-- they (U. S. foreign policy in general) dislike "secularism" since they equate that with communists. The State Dept. is already very cosy with Jamaati leaders.

         There were a lot of unknown factors involved in the Ramu destruction and LOT of money came pouring in for the extraordinary operation.  Your peyara Awami League people were completely ineffectual and they have a lot of answering to do.  Read this disgusting fellow's article below -- he is a bitter and extreme fundo -- but his writing has some points that need to be answered.

           Assalamu alaikum.

Please find my new article "বৌদ্ধদের উপর হামলা এবং দেশধ্বংসী সংকটে বাংলাদেশ (Attack on the Budhists and the Critical Crisis in Bangladesh)" as attached word and pdf file.

You can also find the same article by clicking the following link:
http://www.drfirozmahboobkamal.com/2010-03-24-10-21-22/877-attack-on-the-budhists-in-bangladesh-and-the-critical-crisis.html

It is also pasted below for your convenience.

If you find any merit in the article, please send it to others.
Regards.

Firoz Mahboob Kamal


 

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CC: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: guhasb@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:05:56 -0400
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist

 

Here we go again!!!!!!
This is the people, who spreads the rumour that, Jews are behind 9/11-------
This is the people who spreads, India is behind Ramu's incident!!!!!!!!!
and wash their hands!
So, fundamentalism and terrorism will continue growing. Doing so, these people actually help the terrorists, they are the sympathesiers!
While they should think why a 21 year old become a terrorist, find the reason to rectify it; they are trying to find a hole to blame others and wash their hands!


 
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is Nafis really framed? Or, he was rather a willing soul to be a good victim? The kid did not believe in violence for the Muslim cause and yet, he resorted to commit the act. So, how can a westerner or easterner can trust these kinds of people who say certain things in public but would not hesitate to do the opposite? Is Islam a peaceful religion? Doesn't it sound like a broken record? How long can we keep the violent doctrine of Islam under the rug? If Nafis has committed his act in Bangladesh, he would have been showered by rose petals by a great number of people as we can see recent responses to violence against the Buddhists and minorities. Who are brainwashing these Nafises? Parents, Imams, local thugs? What should the buck stop?
-SD
 
 
 

Conflicting accounts towards NY terrorist
 
NEW YORK: At the Missouri college where Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis enrolled, a classmate said he often remarked that true Muslims don't believe in violence.    
That image seemed startlingly at odds with the Bangladesh native's arrest in an FBI sting this week on charges of trying to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in New York with what he thought was a 1,000-pound car bomb.
"I can't imagine being more shocked about somebody doing something like this," said Jim Dow, a 54-year-old Army veteran who rode home from class with Nafis twice a week. "I didn't just meet this kid a couple of times. We talked quite a bit. … And this doesn't seem to be in character."
Nafis' family in Dhaka, Bangladesh, denied he could have been involved in the plot. His parents said he was incapable of such actions and came to America only to study.
Federal investigators, often accused by defense attorneys of entrapping and leading would-be terrorists along, said the 21-year-old Nafis made the first move over the summer, reaching out for accomplices and eventually contacting a government informant, who then went to federal authorities.
They said he also selected his target, drove the van loaded with dummy explosives up to the door of the bank, and tried to set off the bomb from a hotel room using a cellphone he thought had been rigged as a detonator.
During the investigation, he and the informant corresponded via Facebook and other social media, talked on the phone and met in hotel rooms, according to a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.    Nafis spoke of his admiration for Osama bin Laden, talked of writing an article about his plot for an AL-Qaida-affiliated magazine, and said he would be willing to be a martyr but preferred to go home to his family after carrying out the attack, authorities said. And he also talked about wanting to kill President Barack Obama and bomb the New York Stock Exchange, a law enforcement official said.
Investigators said in court papers that he came to the U.S. bent on jihad and worked out the specifics of a plot when he arrived. While Nafis believed he had the blessing of al-Qaida and was acting on behalf of the terrorist group, he has no known ties, according to federal officials.
Nafis, who at the time of his arrest Wednesday was working as a busboy at a restaurant in Manhattan, was jailed without bail. His attorney has not commented on the case, but in other instances where undercover agents and sting operations were used, lawyers have argued entrapment.
Investigators would not say exactly how he initially contacted the government informant.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, whose department had a role in the arrest as a member of a joint federal-state terrorism task force, said the entrapment argument rarely prevails.
"You have to be otherwise not disposed to do a crime," Kelly said. "And if it's your intent to do a crime, and somehow there are means made available, then generally speaking, the entrapment defense does not succeed."
Nafis was a terrible student in his native Bangladesh, and his middle-class parents said he persuaded them to send him to study in the US as a way of improving his job prospects. They don't believe he was planning an attack.
His father, a banker, said Nafis was so timid he couldn't venture out onto the roof alone.
"My son couldn't have done it," Quazi Ahsanullah said, weeping.
"He is very gentle and devoted to his studies," he said, pointing to Nafis' time studying at the private North South University in Dhaka.    Belal Ahmed, a spokesman for the university, said Nafis was put on probation and threatened with expulsion if he didn't bring his grades up. Nafis eventually stopped coming to school, Ahmed said.
The father of Bangladeshi national Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis who arrested in New York for attempting to detonate a bomb, cries alongside other relatives in Dhaka.—AFP photo
Ahsanullah said his son had argued that a US degree would give him a better chance at success in Bangladesh. "I spent all my savings to send him to America," the father said.
Nafis moved to Missouri, where he studied cyber security at Southeast Missouri State University. He also became vice president of the school's Muslim Student Association and began attending a mosque.
But he withdrew after one semester and requested over the summer that his records be transferred to a school in Brooklyn. The university declined to identify which school.    Dow, his former classmate at Southeast Missouri State, said Nafis spoke admiringly of bin Laden.
At the same time, "he told me he didn't really believe bin Laden was involved in the twin towers because he said bin Laden was a religious man, and a religious man wouldn't have done something like that," Dow said.
He said Nafis gave Dow a copy of the Quran and asked him to read it. But he "didn't rant or rave or say crazy stuff," Dow said.
"What really shocked me the most was he had specifically spoken to me about true Muslims not believing in violence," Dow said.
Dion Duncan of St. Louis, a fellow student and member of the Muslim organization, said: "Nafis was a good kid. He showed no traces of anti-Americanism, or death to America, or anything like that. He was a trustworthy, honest kid."
"He was polite and courteous. He was helpful. All the things you would expect from a good Muslim kid. He prayed five times a day," Duncan said.
 
 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

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