Daily Online Alochona: Jun 13, 2008

Friday, June 13, 2008

Re: [mukto-mona] Bikolango Nari (Bangla)

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/48694

thank you for your wonderful essay.
Salman S.

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[mukto-mona] rightist fundamentalism

Mr. Subimal Chakrabarti rightly commented when he said, "Jogi's article on his recent visit to Pakistan and his emotionally charged appreciation of the love for democracy that he had seen among the speakers in the conference on democracy in South Asia held in Islamabad also disturbed  some people in the forum. It is difficult to understand why some one finds wrong in some one else's praising a positive development in a neighbor". I want to add something very important here for all of us. That is about hatred. Should we hate Pakistani people for the evil-doing of their regimes ? It is a fact that Pakistani regimes have been patronizing the Taleban terrorism and ISI has been a long term patron for spreading Islamic Fundamentalism and zingoism in Bangladesh and India, but it is also true that there are lot of secular journalists, intellectuals as well as moderate people who have been just helpless victim of the circumstances. I do not know who actually were upset about Yogi's praising of democratic progress in Pakistan, but I am afraid, it reveals a lot of dark side of the commenters. One already I said, the above reference of Subimal Babu evidences the inherent hatred to Pakistani people. How can we claim ourselves, if not progressive, secular liberals if we nourish hatred and prejudice against the entire people of country only because of their identity, religion or nationality ? Then what's the difference between those who advocate a state based on religious majority(fascism) and us ? Could we overcome these darksides(such as feudal originated mindset) among ourselves ? This attitude, as I implied by the reference from Subimal Babu is indicating a kind of rightist fundamentalism- another kind of radical dark side.

2. Mr. Subimal mentioned that Jogindar Sikand's recent article on the Deoband ulema (who in a historic speech in 1927 supported an undivided India and backed his view with Islam as he understood it) outraged many of the forum. I did not read that article, so I can not comment on that. But, the well-famous and popular columnist Gaffar Chowdhury, who is known as a secular mid-left, highly praised for the contribution of Deobond Ulema for their contribution in Independance of India. I can't remember at this moment in details. But I am curious to know what wrong he wrote in that article that should outrage the members of our forum-did he try to spread and endorse communal hatred to some groups or defend that kind of staff ?

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[ALOCHONA] Bangladesh polls date may be revised: EIU report

Bangladesh polls date may be revised: EIU report

'The focus has now turned towards the question of what kind of election Bangladesh can expect.'

Despite repeated assurances from the military-controlled interim government to hold parliamentary polls in December 2008 as per the roadmap, 'the election date may be revised', forecasts a London-based research group.

Given the uncertainties surrounding issues of detention of leaders and lifting of the state of emergency, the research division of the Economist Intelligence Unit said, 'The focus has now turned towards the question of what kind of election Bangladesh can expect.'

In its country report on Bangladesh for the month of June, the research group pointed out that if elections were held under the state of emergency with a short duration for campaigns, it would present western governments with a dilemma.

'While they favour a swift return to democracy — the first step being a parliamentary election —they are likely to find it difficult to endorse a poll held under draconian emergency laws with campaigning limited to a few weeks,' the report said.

It said that western governments were becoming increasingly concerned about the rising number of human rights infringements and the slow progress in electoral reforms.

The Economist Intelligence Unit believes the caretaker government will need to reach an accord with the political parties in the weeks ahead to hold a truly free and fair election, and to prevent a return of political violence.

A food crisis has further complicated the caretaker government's exit strategy, the report observed, adding that the state of emergency, imposed initially to restore order and security following violent street protests, could barely contain the growing discontent.

'Despite a bumper boro rice harvest in April-May there is little hope that it will do much to arrest food price inflation,' it added.

The EIU report predicted a slowdown of the Bangladesh economy amid multiple shocks and estimated the country's economic growth in the outgoing 2007-08 fiscal at 5.7 per cent, lower than the official estimate at over 6 per cent.

The EIU's projection of growth in gross domestic product for the next [2008-09] fiscal year is 6 per cent, whereas the finance adviser, in his budget speech, projected the growth at 6.5 per cent.

The report further explained that the price shocks had challenged the pace of reduction in poverty that Bangladesh had made in recent years 'The risk is that unless spiralling inflation is contained, millions of people could fall below the poverty line,' it said.

Also, according to the report, the country's transition from trade to investment as the principal driver of economic growth has been slow. 'There are no recent data on investment, proxy indicators such as machinery imports, suggest that investment has slumped.'

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[mukto-mona] Bikolango Nari (Bangla)

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Re: [mukto-mona] Indian Deobandis Against Terrorism: Reiterating a Historical Tradition

WRT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/48691

1. This is another good piece by Yogi Sikand. But a word of caution is in order here. We really need to learn how to read and think----just to repeat a proposition that I appealed with in my last post. After reading Yogi some of the participants in this forum have formed negative impression about this scholar. Some have even expressed extreme views about him. I believe this has happened because of hurried reading and prejudiced thinking.
I hope reading of this current piece will help us change our hearts and develop positive attitude towards Yogi and his writings.

2. From the article it appears that the "religious" Deobandi ulemas have been working for communal harmony and fighting against terrorism. Also historically they have always raised voices for "one India." Yogi observes: "But then, since terrorism and communal conflict are not issues specific to any community, it is also for non-Muslim, particularly Hindu, religious organizations, to take a cue from the Deobandis and launch similar mass awareness campaigns against all forms of terrorism, including those engaged in by Hindu groups which have unleashed untold violence in recent decades. Sadly, there are little signs of any significant moves in that direction

-SC

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Re: [mukto-mona] Christian Fundamentalism, the Global Crusade and Muslims

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"While the Western press is awash with stories, real
and exaggerated,
about 'Islamic fundamentalists' , rarely is mention
made about
Christian fundamentalists, who, with their vast
resources and close
links with the current American administration, are a
potentially more
menacing threat than their Muslim counterparts"-Yogi Sikand

1. I want to ask Mr. Yogi, "can he provide specific source and reference for this information" ? Mr. Yogi has provided, more correctly claimed a lot of information for which he did not mention any source. I think, this has created an opportunity for the outbreak of criticism. My position is not here to defend him or judge him. But is the information he is providing us false ? I would suggest the following article "Pastor John Hagee spearheads Christians United for Israel" by Bill Berlowitzs, a longtime observer of the conservative movement and a frequent writer for Media Transparency-
http://www.mediatransparency.org/authorprofile.php?authorID=1 where he is dicussing on the Christian zionist movement of the televangelist Hagee. But he did not mention anything about his 'long term plan for Crusade against Islam". It is Mr. Yogi's responsbility to provide us any evidence such as any article or media comments or anything.
I would suggest the following article alsoe-'The Dangers of fundamentalist beliefs on George Bush and on US Foreign policy" by Larry Ross, Newzealand Neuclear  Peacemaking Association. I think this deserves to be read.
<http://www.nuclearfreenz.org.nz/bushfundimentalism.htm>
2. Mr. Subimal has pointed out, " It is a genuine question indeed. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism- ---be it Christian one, Muslim one, or Hindu one. Then why does some one single out Christian fundamentalism, some one Muslim fundamentalism and some one else Hindu fundamentalism? Why don't we see a balanced and unbiased critique of various forms of religious fundamentalism in such discussions?" Yes, It's apperent fact may be, but not the truth I think. I want to ask some honest questions. a) Is he singling out the Christian fundamentalism ? Yogi's opponent did not refer any context from his article which part, phrase or words or information are objectionable or false claim. This is not the way of objective criticism. b) In respect of above excerpt, specifically "why does some one single out Christian fundamentalism, some one Muslim fundamentalism and some one else Hindu fundamentalism?"-I want to ask his opponents, it is not very long time, in
this forum there had been long discussions about Islamic fundamentalists; why that question did not arise about singling out to Islamic fundamentalism, and not balancing at the same time also about Christian fundamentalism ? In regard to Islamic fundamentalism, there is a common perception and it has been always a popular practice of discussing this subject avoiding carefully of it's hisrorical context and the role of western imperialism in their all kind of supporting and patronizing for this. This way, actually, their prejudice and (colonial minded) weakness to so-called 'civilized white American'  becomes very evident. May be because, it originates from a kind of inferiority complex about the eastern culture, or may be from the backwardness of the Muslim world and because of the role of fraction of their population for fundamentalism and present lack of enlightentment. Sometimes I noticed in the columns of Pro-BNP rightist columnnist
suggesting that it has become like a fashion for some so-called "progressive"(and pro-indian) community to critisize and image only the bad sides muslim to prove themselv progressive and their liberalist humanity. Using this evil tactics, these columnists just avoid the facts about the oppression and unjust on Hindu minorities in Bangladesh. The confronters of Mr. Yogi has no difference with communal minded pro-BNP columnists (such as Forhad Mojhar), who starts his article in a way(as he starts using marxist terms) that any new reader woud think that he is a leftist columnist, but when the reader goes deeper into his article, then it becomes clear that he is endorsing the Islamic fundamentalists in a very subtle way.   An honored columnist Gaffar Chowdhuri, who is a well-known secular humanist(I know that the extreme rightist and reactionary opponents of Yogi wouldn't like his reference), though not very often, but some times discuss about
christian fundamentalism. Does he become one-sided or communal through this ?
3. Who are criticizing his article, did they read his whole article with patience ? It seemed to me that(if I am wrong, correct me), they just responded using their 5 senses mechanically like a biological robot merely to oppose it. I think, we have to find out the words behind his words-that is, the implicit meaning or goal or the central point of his whole article. That is,the important point here is : is it about the christian fundamentalism he is implying to us or the global expansionism and imperialism in the guise of crusade with the flag of fundamentalism ? Mr. Yogi has to be more clear about this. We need to be assured that he is not spreading anti-christian communal hate in the guise of anti-imperialism with leftist attitude.
4. We all are known about the Yong-Bengal community in Calcutta in British Colonial time in India. Their mindset was extremely scornful about and hateful about ordinary indians, about indian culture. They had a very high admiration for the british as their masters and specifically, the white European. I think, still there are some groups, in our country and abroad, whose mindset is blinded by the perception of 'Civilized European' and 'Civilized American'-but the implicit perception is that so-called 'civilized westerners' are white which hides behind their mind in their subconscious. The opponents of Mr. Yogi can be compared to the devotees and followers of a contemporary Indian Gurus or Olamas who, hearing any kind of criticism, whatever it is logical or not, get furious and enraged and tend about to kill the commenter. I wouldn't say that the critisizer of Mr. Yogi are blind at that level of the fanatic devotees,
but when hearing any criticism(rational or irrational) about their imperialist masters, for whom they believe the myth that they are or they will destroy the Islamic fundamentaists from the world, these new liberal reactionaries can be seen as just the other side of a coin-that is, they are just radicalist in the another end.
5. What's the difference between Ahmedinizad and Terrorist Bush ? They are just two sides of a coin. Didn't Mr. Bush comment for the necessity of crusade against the non-complying Arab nations in the Middle East ? Was it just a slip of the tongue ? Does not this depict his mindset ? What about his claim of revelation(which has been displayed several times in US Media) that God's endorsing him to go to war in Iraq as a holy duty ? Millions of Americans watched this in TV. Is it a lie ?
6. I can remember that the same persons started an outbreak of criticism for a honest mistake of well-known leftist, secular and communist intellectual Ahmed Sharif about the communal riot. Then I gave a elaborate explanation about the misunderstanding and misconception about his comments. Anyway, my reason here to refer this is to imply that the reactioaries(who takes the guise of so-called secular-humanists) miss no opportionity to slander as much as possible to a leftist personality whenever they find a smallest mistake.
7. We have to be carefull that Muslim and Christian fundamentalists are not of same category. If Mr. Yogi's main concern is not just the Christian fundamentalism, but the impact of that, that is Global Imperialism, then it is another thing and I have nothing to say. Actually, a big part of the world is going crazy now-it is hard sometimes to take a neutral position. Iran's authority has been oppressing their women in the name of Sharia, do the Christian fundamentalists are intervenning in the personal life of people using fatwa ? These staff also should be addressed. That much for today

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[mukto-mona] Fw: A Note to Basbhumi Editor : Regarding publication of articles from Mukto-Mona

This is what 'Basbhumi' editor wrote to me yesterday, after I sent him the email:

There no mention of apology, neither there is any plan to remove those alleged articles from their site. I am also not sure why he's thanking me :)

Avijit

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Basbhumi <mail@basbhumi.com>
To: Avijit Roy <charbak_bd@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:31:37 PM
Subject: RE: A Note to Basbhumi Editor : Regarding publication of articles from Mukto-Mona

Thanks Avijit Daa

Akid

Basbhumi

-----Original Message-----
From: Avijit Roy [mailto:charbak_bd@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:47 AM
To: mail@basbhumi.com
Subject: A Note to Basbhumi Editor : Regarding publication of articles from Mukto-Mona

Dear Basbhumi Editor,

This is to notify all those concerned that lately, we have noticed that your website (http://basbhumi.com) is publishing our website's content and our members' article without ever showing the courtesy of seeking prior permission from Mukto Mona (MM) moderators and from the writers. For example, you have published Dr. Humayun Azad's masterpiece "Dharmanubhutir Upakatha" which was originally sent by the author himself to publish it in our site. The article has been later incorporated in one of our recent books Swatantra Bhabna (Chardik, 2008) which is a collaboration effort of both Mukto-Mona and Shikkha Andolon Mancha.

Anyone can see similarity of the format between the original file of MM and the file you kept in your site (even the red-black color combinations and the title) except that you converted the pdf file into jpg.

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/humayun_azad/Dharmanubhutir_Upakatha.pdf

and

http://basbhumi.com/Humayun-Dhorma1.htm

http://basbhumi.com/Humayun-Dhorma2.htm

http://basbhumi.com/Humayun-Dhorma3.htm

Previously, you have also published "Rabindra Nather Chokhe Naree" (http://basbhumi.com/Azad-Nari-2.pdf) and "Humayun Azad er ProbochonGuccho" from our site which was sent by MM members earlier for publishing solely in Mukto-Mona. You have absorbed those as before, and you did not bother to show any courtesy of mentioning the source either while publishing.

Please note that the articles in questions were written and sent exclusively for Mukto Mona, and not in all cases copy was sent to other websites. Without informing us, publishing unauthorized version of any Mukto Mona article would be considered a gross infringement of the copyrights law and therefore, a disgraceful act.

In future, any one interested to republish/reproduce an original MM article is urged to inform the MM moderator(s) in this regard.

Your cooperation in this regard to preserve the intellectual copyright of our members and authors is solicited.

Sincerely,

Avijit Roy

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June 11, 2008

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[mukto-mona] Friday Funnies - Marry or lose job, says Iran firm

Interesting strategy to combat sin in Iran's booming Oil towns. A short-term muta marriage perhaps!!!

Marry or lose job, says Iran firm

BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7447227.stm

Single workers at one of Iran's major state-owned companies have been told to marry by September or face being fired, Iranian newspapers have reported.

The Pars Special Economic Energy Zone Company employs thousands of people, mostly young men, on Iran's Gulf coast.

Being married is a job requirement, a directive from the company is reported as saying.

Correspondents say the ruling appears to be an attempt to reduce the number of prostitutes working in the area.

The company controls Iran's large network of gas and petrochemical facilities around the coastal city of Assalouyeh on the Gulf coast.

Its directive, according to the Etemad newspaper, says that despite requests "some of our colleagues did not fulfil their commitments and are still single".

It continues: "As being married is one of the criteria of employment, we are announcing for the last time that all the female and male colleagues have until September 21 to go ahead with this important and moral religious duty."

In the same vein, the governor of the eastern province of North Khorasan ruled recently that only married people would be hired for official posts in the region.

Economic difficulties in Iran have led many people to postpone getting married, despite sexual relations being illegal outside marriage.

Are you in Iran? Do you work for this company? Have you ever felt any pressure from your work place to be married? Send us your comments using the form below:

Zdenek, if you are working and living in Berlin you should seek German legal advice I am sure that even if the company is Iranian they do not have the right under German employment law to fire you because you are not planning to get married -they might however find another reason which they will use as an excuse if you don't comply so you'll have to tread carefully. Honestly though, I know jobs in Berlin are hard to come by, but do you really want to work for such a company that interferes with your personal life - it's like working for the Stasi!! I think especially in Berlin we have worked hard enough to regain our personal freedom don't give it up again just for a job! Good luck

anon, Germany

I am an Iranian, working in Iran. My company told me I had to get married or else I would get fired. They gave me 6 months, and in that time I eventually found someone. I married a girl, whom I met through family. She wasn't the person I dreamt of spending my life together with, but it had to be done. However, another 6 months after my marriage, I got the sack. So was it worth it? NO! I'm also having trouble with my marriage at the moment!

Abbas, Tehran, Iran

Zdenek, go see a lawyer - Germany has one of the most highly-developed employee protection systems. A simple letter from a lawyer will soon see your employers run for cover :))

Bill Beetham, Moscow, Russia

If you work in Germany you should have redress under the European equality laws which do not allow discrimination based on family status. That is certainly the case in other EU countries. You should check your position with a legal advisor.

YSE, Dublin, Ireland

To Zdenek Smetanka my advice is to seek legal advice I cannot believe German labour laws will allow an employer to make such a request, I'd suggest asking a local German trade union or failing that a local government office.

John, England

This is the kind of society you live in when the government is dictated by a theocratic state. In a sense, marriage by decree is even worse than street prostitution, because it is less honest, more permanent, and can be just as debilitating to a woman in an unwanted marriage. A Western person can quit their job and find another, but Iranians cannot escape their government unless they leave. My sincere sympathy for the young people of Iran.

Kat, Washington, D.C.

I'm not an Iranian, BUT it is a welcome development. When someone is married, he or she tends to become more focused and responsible.

PETER NWANEVU, LAGOS NIGERIA

To Zdenek Smetanka, Berlin - you are very lucky, as you are covered by German employment law which makes such a discriminatory action completely illegal. As soon as you get either a copy of this "order" on paper, or get a copy of your dismissal notice, take it straight to your local Arbeitsamt who will help you. You can expect them to contact the company to inform them they are acting illegally and demand they drop the policy (As well as probably prosecuting/fining the company), and if they continue with the policy regardless and still force you out, the German courts will make you a wealthy man. Germany has some of the strongest employment laws in the world protecting its employees.

Mark, Zürich, Switzerland

I have seen a copy of the directive on one of Persian websites. I was shocked when I read this directive. How far can a Government go for interfering into the personal lives of its nation. Not to worry, they are not afraid to do whatever required to send you to heaven!

Sasan, Dubai, UAE

Zdenek Smetanka, with all due respect, such so-called Muslim employers should provide a girl to marry as well as part of a package for single employees taking on the job. The shame is that such people are called Muslims first and then Iranians. Most of the problems are created by cultures, not religions. Almost all of the religions preach peace, not terror.

A. Ahmed, Manchester, UK

It's a good sign but it would be better if a state owned corporation increase some good will compensation to there employees. I wonder why such radical Islamic state has forgotten the Allah's message stated as "Thy Lord is taking care of food etc to its thy belivers". Apart from that Iran should consider more option towards stabilizing their economy.

Zeeshan Haq, Karachi, Pakistan

I am in the US, and for a long time I felt quite a bit of pressure to get married. I have no intention of ever getting married, and if my job were tied to it, I would find another job. The state has no business dictating morality or personal choices like marriage. Then again, this IS Iran, and the people are subject to the whims of their government, which does not appear to care in the least for the freedoms of its citizens. Not to worry, the United States is not far behind. When the legislation of morality is debated in the guise of an amendment to define marriage, you know we are going down that same road.

Mark, Newburgh, NY

I am employed in Iranian company in Berlin and they told me to get married or they fire me. I am not Muslim I come from Czech republic. I have one month to get married although i have no girlfriend. What am I to do? Please help help.

Zdenek Smetanka, Berlin

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[mukto-mona] Fw: Not a single poor in Bangladesh after 2030

>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Mahfuz Bhai,
>
> Yesterday all day I was out to region for our Section
> Chiefs Meeting, I
> read your email when I came back in the evevning but
> couldn't respond as I
> was rushing to go home. I do agree with you, I always tell
> people to live
> with happiness you need to have a dream in front of you,
> when dream comes
> trye, create a new dream.
>
> The project your have done, I had a similar vision and I
> shared that with
> many people....I will definitely write something on that
> and will give
> your example...please give me bit more details information,
> such as the
> name of the village, where you have implemented this
> project.
>
> And if you don't mind, I would like to post this email
> to our group
> Mukto-Mona to share with learned group members.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Quazi J. Islam
> Finance Section
> ONUCI Integrated Mission HQs
> Ancien Hotel Sebroko, Room # 212
> Boulevard De la Paix
> Atecoube 9, Abidjan, Cote D'Ivoire
> Ph: 1 212 963 4432 Ext. 172 3368
> Email: islamq@un.org
>
>
>
> Rahman Mahfuzur/UNMIK@UNMIK
> 12/06/2008 12:34 PM
>
> To
> Quazi Islam/Finance/ONUCI@ONUCI@UNITED NATIONS LOGISTICS
> BASE
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: Not a single poor in Bangladesh after 2030
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Johir Bhai,
>
> I don't think he is too optimistic in his statement. I
> believe the same.
> As I started telling from the 2000 that we would grow
> tremendously by the
> end of 2020. I still firmly believe that.
>
> Just imagine, when Dr. Yunus said in 1997 that he wants
> that the
> farmers/fishermen will have the "mobile" in
> their hand soon, when they
> will not be cheated of their proper price. They will
> instantly be able to
> communicate with other markets and get the right price of
> their product.
> Almost 100% of his audience laughed or criticized him
> except few like me,
> who said that the time is coming.
>
> I also want to encourage you to encourage others through
> your unique
> quality of writing to teach people "to Learn how to
> Dream", like Dr.
> Yunus. Also I would like to request you to encourage the
> rich/solvent
> people to take care of the poor people of their own village
> only, by
> sharing their (little) wealth, I mean by giving only 2.5%
> ZAKAT. You will
> be happy to know that by proving 31 Rilsha Van (1st year),
> 33 Cows (2nd
> year) and some other assistance in the following years, I
> don't find
> people from our village to ask for Zakat!!. Don't you
> think we have at
> least one solvent person in one village in our 68,000
> villages. If the
> answer is yes, than those 68000 solvent persons can reduce
> the poverty
> into half in 5 years by sharing their little wealth.
> Let's forget about
> the governments assistance or Foreign "AID" (You
> know, why I put it with
> in invited Comma!!!), let's do our part and help our
> country.
>
> Let's dream and let's realize those dream in a
> realistic manner. And we
> need people like you, Dr. Yunus and others who can
> encourage people to
> Dream and teach every citizen to learn "How to think
> Big".
>
> Best regards
>
> Mahfuz
> From Kosovo
>
> PS: I read your BIHONGOPROBON-6, do you want my comment??
> It's always the
> same. May be I've become your real
> "fan"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Quazi Islam/Finance/ONUCI@ONUCI
> 11/06/2008 11:26
>
> To
>
> cc
>
> Subject
> Not a single poor in Bangladesh after 2030
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Yunus declared a million dollar prize to find a single
> poor person in
> Bangladesh after 2K30. What do you think, is it too
> optimistic statement?
> You may find the report on the following link.
>
> http://www.nybangla.com/News/Current%20Issue/June_11_2007/02.htm
>
>
> Quazi J. Islam
> Finance Section
> ONUCI Integrated Mission HQs
> Ancien Hotel Sebroko, Room # 212
> Boulevard De la Paix
> Atecoube 9, Abidjan, Cote D'Ivoire
> Ph: 1 212 963 4432 Ext. 172 3368
> Email: islamq@un.org

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[ALOCHONA] Friday Funnies: How to recruit the right person for the job..

HOW TO RECRUIT THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB

Put 100 bricks in some particular order in a closed room with an open window.

Send 2 or 3 candidates into the room and close the door.

Leave them alone and come back after 6 hours and analyse the situation using the following guidelines:

If they are counting the bricks: Put them in the accounts department.

If they are recounting them: Put them in auditing.

If they have messed up the whole place with the bricks: Put them in engineering.

If they are arranging the bricks in some strange order: Put them in planning.

If they are throwing the bricks at each other: Put them in operations.

If they are sleeping: Put them at reception.

If they have broken the bricks into pieces: Put them in information technology.

If they are sitting idle: Put them in human resources.

If they say they have tried different combinations, yet not a brick has been moved: Put them in sales.

If they have already left for the day: Put them in marketing.

If they are staring out of the window: Put them in strategic planning.

And last but not least..

If they are talking to each other and not a single brick has been moved: Put them in management.

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[ALOCHONA] Mr. Turkman and Logic

Mr. Turkman:

I requested you OVER and OVER again that when you should write to me - you should base your assertions on logic and well founded references. I believe I and and all the other readers in this Alochona have noted your failure in doing so.

Al Quaeda people and terrorists do not represent Islam or any religion and this question of Representation comes when these hooligans are doing atrocities in the name of Islam and procalims that Islam or their religion instructs them to do so IN THE NAME of religion. But when people is Islamic countries or even many poor African or South American Christian countries kill innocent women - the question of representing Islam or their religion do not come as they do not do so in the name of religion. You must also note that until 1250 Muslimnations ruled the world in every sphere and until 1750 Muslims were responding to Christian civilisations through building the Taj Mahal and the Blue Mosque in response to St. Sophia and Moghul Army and Monarchy were the most powerful and famous empire in the world. Their decline came as the Christians were ordered by the Vatican (again ) to preach in the Muslim world and impose their idelogy through slavery and forced conversions and Muslims were forced to give up their traditional educations system as the British and other Rulers started imposing their systems. we suffered from loss of enitity from which we are still recovering and recovering fast. Please do not think that we Muslims are less well-behaved as we are the most hospitable nations and we are the most generous and honest people as per ratio. The most corrupt nations are not Muslim nations and we go and migrate to non-Islamic rich nations for practical economic reasons as they have deprived us of world fair share by their centuries of forced rule on us which still persists through G8 and other economic forums.

Do you know the female mortality rates? And the causes?

Read
http://www.eurohealth.ie/newrep/trends.htm

Which countries lead in Alchoholism?
Which countries have highest rape rates?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
Which countries are at war and in racial atrocities?
Which countries lead in crime?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

You are proud of money and richness in non-Islamic countries?
Read Verse 181 of Sura Imran - that applies for you.
181. Indeed, All�h has heard the statement of those (Jews) who say: "Truly, All�h is poor and we are rich!" We shall record what they have said and their killing of the Prophets unjustly, and We shall say: "Taste you the torment of the burning (Fire)."

Your knowldge and understanding and ways to mislead the readers will not work while I am here.

Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights Advocate

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:22:09 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Al Qaeda Manual?

Yes but 70% of Moslims Countries with Female Population equal or less than Males definitely represent Moslims, when God keeps women to have more Female than Male Children all the time all over the world.

Al Qaeda, Taliban, JehaaDis do not represent real Moslims but what about all those Moslim Countries with lower population of Females?

Do they represent Moslims or not?

What about Moslims of almost all Non Oil rich Moslim Countries being poor with very low Literacy Rate?

What about circumstances in Moslim Countries so bad that you and me do not live in a Moslim Country?

What about Character of average Moslims?

Why they lie so much?

Does this your Blame Game of pointing-out to what Non Moslims did to us centuries ago or to some other people justifies our spreading hating against them to cause Sneak Attack Terrorism all over the world according to Islam?

mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Turkman:

The contents of the manual are too sickening and I am not at all impressed. These hooligans by no means represent Islam - the same way the Hindu BJP and Shiv Sena by no means represent Hindus or Mr. Richard (the so called Lion hearted) who had butchered thousands of war captives in Afa after being scared of Saladin in Jersalem - did not represent peace loving Christians and the same way Pope Urban II did not represent Christianity when he had ordered Crusades or Holy War against Muslims. I hate and abhor all types of guerilla tactics of war - I even abhor the steps Che Guevara undertook against many capitalists in South America - even though many band him on their chests as a hero - even though I do support his view that USA was tightening its grip on South American economy.

Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights Advocate

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net

Thank you Mr. Islam.

Here are a few of the Instructions in Al Qaeda Manual Book for its Sneak Attack Terrorists sent to 'Countries of Infidels' that was downloaded and being distributed in Moslim Students in U.K. for your kind perusal.

You must have a Western Attire and behave like a Westerner once on a Mission to 'land of Infidels'.

1. No Beards, Western Style Hair and Clothing only.

2. No going to Mosques or doing Prayers or Fasting.

3. Mix with Infidels until you achieve, what you want from them to accomplish the Mission.

4. Drinking Alcohol, Fornicating with their Females, Going to Night Clubs and Cabaret (totally nude female dance shows) is okay.

5. Do not carry Qoraan with you.

Should I continue on?

Its a very detailed Manual, teaching from how to fly by an Airline, land in a country, how to behave with Immigration Officers, how to rent a Motel Room, how to rent an Apartment, how to use Phone System to use of Credit Cards and Banks. Internet Mollaas claim CIA had published it and planted it in the cars that were driven by the 9/11 Hijackers to prove that they were from Al Qaeda but I don't think, an American can think of all those things that are detailed in that Manual.

mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Turkman:

I support your view in this.

Mufassil M M Islam

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com

Oh so, its University's fault that it caught two of its Moslim people downloading Al Qaeda Manual for Terrorists in the Western Countries, made copies of it and were distributing those copies to Moslims?

University should have investigated them and not Police. Are you out of your mind sir?

I quote from the original post, ...

" ... a police officer remarked that the incident would never have occurred if the persons involved had been "blond, Swedish PhD students" (the two men were of British-Pakistani and Algerian backgrounds respectively)".

Can this man tell us name of that Police Officer if he is not lying?

Has no Algerian or Pakistani Moslim been a Sneak Attack Terrorist?

How many Blond, Swedish Ph D. Students have been Sneak Attack Terrorists and have worked for any JehaaDi Organization?

I guess, new Definition for JehaaDi Moslims in the West is, "Who have no shame. Who back-stab, whoever's charity they are raised on".

Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.com> wrote:

The root of all problems is there. The univisionists that Mr. Turkmen is dealing with don't care to listen, watch, check, verify or to know the reality of the truths, rather to believe and spread superficiality, having no reality or any merit for humanity.

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net

Sir,

Alochona is one thing and spreading lies against a nation, where everybody's opinion is heard, everybody's free to say or do whatever he/she wants remaining with bounds of law and without spreading violence, even Gays and Lesbians are allowed to marry in some states. If your children are being told to keep their mouth shut in USA, they must be pretty obnouxious because mine are not and neither do I.

If our children are being told to shut up, how come one of our children is one of the 50 Governors of USA?

How come one of my cousins is Police Chief of a major city of USA?

How come Khaki, an Urdu Speaking Shiyah of a poor family from Karachi is Senior VP of Microsoft?

How come Safi Quraishi, an other Urdu Speaking of a poor family from Karachi could own AST Computer Company and still is worth a billion dollars?

There are dozens of such success stories and you think, our Moslims achieved all that because they were told to keep their mouths shut in USA?

Aziz Huq <azizhuq@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Turkman:

I requested you not to lose your temper but to read what I wrote and reflect on it. This forum is supposed to be "Alochona". How can you engage in Alochona with a person who loses temper and resort to indecent language. This will be my last posting on this. You are welcome to have the last word.

Aziz Huq

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net

Sir,

I'm 61. Have lived in USA since 1973 and nobody has ever shut my mouth or my children's mouth because they are not Traitors of USA like most Moslims like to be doesn't matter how good they are being treated, what kind of great jobs they find and how much they prosper beyond their own dreams.

You started criticizing me without understanding, what I wrote. No country can tolerate subversive Terrorist Activity in the name of eqality, Freedom of Speech and Expression. If you don't like it, go back ...!

Nobody's is forcing you to stay in a rich advanced country that is not yours to start with. Is there something wrong with becoming civilized and not being a thankless idiot or its part of your Islam to keep hating others?

Aziz Huq <azizhuq@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Turkman:

Your comment is smart but lacks sensitivity.

Bangladesh has many problems and lack of human rights is one of them. No Hindu migrates to Bangladesh in search of safety and prosperity. We have a long way to go before that becomes a reality.

But the UK and US and most western countries boast of high standard of human rights and freedom. We have immigrated to these countries in search of opportunities and freedom. You will feel the pain when your children grow up in this country, go to the university but are forced to keep their mouth shut (like the Hindus do in Bangladesh).

As parents, we have to ensure that our children are not misdirected to do any thing to harm the society we live in but also ensure that we leave behind a society which is free for them to pursue freedom of thought.

Please do not jump to criticize what I wrote but give some thoughts.

Aziz Huq

To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net

We can't blame British for arresting those Moslim Students because if a Hindu Religious Terrorist Group was at war against Bangladesh and had published a Manual on how to commit acts of Terrorism in Bangladesh and some Hindu Indian student of Dhaka University had downloaded that Manual to distribute amongst Hindu Indian Students of Bangladesh, Bangladesh Police would have done the same.

I see, not infringement of Academic Freedom in U.K. in this case.

Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> wrote:

Dear Friends

I'm writing to call your attention to a recent incident at the University of Nottingham, where a one of our Graduate Students at the School of Politics and International Relations and an administrative member of staff at the Department of Engineering were arrested by armed police under the Terrorism Act of 2000. Their alleged "crime" was that the! ! graduate student had downloaded an Al-Qaeda training manual from a US government website for research purposes, as he's writing his MA dissertation on Islamic extremism and international terrorist networks. He had then sent this to his friend in the Department of Engineering for printing. The printed material had been spotted by other staff and reported to the University authorities who passed on the information to the police. The two were then arrested by armed police on May 14 and held for six days without charge, before being released without charge on May 20. During the six days they were imprisoned, the men had their homes raided and their families harassed by the police. It is worth noticing that in talking to one of my colleagues, a police officer remarked that the incident would never have occurred if the persons involved had been "blonde, Swedish PhD students" (the two men were of British-Pakistani and Algerian backgrounds respectively).

The incident was recently reported in the Times Higher Education Supplement online:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=402125&c=2

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