learn quran and hadees properly, as you mentioned out of context, your thinking is limited to the circle.
may almighty Allah show you the right path.
regards
Masthan
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>
> `Killing Kafir' by Syed Kamran Mirza - www.ezboard.com
>
> Killing Kafir
>
> Syed Kamran Mirza
>
> In the theological dogmas of Islam there are plenty of unanswered questions
> to which most apologists play same old game of sidetracking and putting lame
> excuse to the ?out of context?, or ?faulty Quranic translations?. Among
> them, I like to discuss one question about which I have been
> asking/searching the truth for long time, but till today nobody could give
> me satisfactory answer. This is the question of ?killing/slaying? human
> being by another human being by the order of Almighty God! Several years
> back when I read Holy Quran from beginning to end, I was totally dismayed
> when I found Allah telling/advocating to ?kill? another human being by
> numerous Ayats. I could not conceive this idea of insisting by Allah to kill
> somebody. How come? Question which bothered me most is why an
> omnipotent/almighty God will ask for killing human being? Who knows, may be
> this advice by Allah to ?kill Kaffirs? is working as the main
> fuel/ingredients behind the very spirit of Islamic Jihad?helping create more
> and more Osama Bin laden and other potential terrorists?
>
> My father used to read Quran twice a day (after Fazr and before Magreb) with
> so much devotion until his death. One day I asked him if he (my father)
> understand what he was reciting with such a melody and devotions. My father?
> s answer was negative. My father did not understand a single word of what he
> was reciting daily. Now I can count how many thousands of times he uttered
> the word ?killing?, of course, with sweet melody. We can even count how many
> trillion trillion times this word of ?killing? is being uttered by devout
> Muslims throughout the whole world.
>
> Let me cite an example to illustrate this better: Say I am the owner of a
> flock of 100 Cattle. These hundred Cattle are mine, I am the sole owner, and
> by virtue/authority of my ownership, I have every right to do, what ever I
> want to do with these 100 Cattle. Now, if in the course of time, I find that
> some Cattle have become very destructive and wicked up to a degree that
> these Cattle are out of control. Then, I have two choices in front of me to
> handle these wicked Cattle: (a) tell other good and docile Cattle to kill
> those wicked and unruly Cattle by their sharp horns, or (b) because of my
> authority, I sell them or killed (Zabai kare khaeyya felba) those cattle and
> invite friends to a feast. Quite obviously, I will choose (b), and never
> will advocate poor Cattle to kill those wicked Cattle, right? But here in
> the God business of correcting wicked people, I really do not find any logic
> why Omnipotent God should ask human (who are less than Cattle to God) to
> kill other wicked humans. This problem of disobedient by some humans is so
> little problem for an Omnipotent/almighty Allah that, it should take only a
> wishful thinking for Him to correct all Kaffirs. Does any reader see any
> logic to it? So far, I could not get any logical/convincing answer from any
> apologists to this very dynamic question.
>
> I cannot believe that, God can really ask human being to kill/slay another
> human being! The center of my question is not the word ?killing,? but WHO
> actually is asking for ?Killing.? This ?WHO? is nobody but
> OMNIPOTENT/ALMIGHTY GOD. Is Allah telling/advocating to ?kill? another human
> being by numerous Qur?anic Ayats? I could not conceive this idea that Allah
> is insisting his creation to kill somebody who is also his creation.
> Question that bothered me the most is why an Omnipotent/Almighty and
> Merciful God will ask for killing human being. Why then He is called a
> Merciful? Omnipotent God is not like human being of flesh and blood that He
> will take revenge through others. Even the mother of a serial killer will
> not ask others to kill her son, rather she will ask for forgiveness. Is
> Almighty God crueler or weaker than the mother of a serial killer?
>
> Of course, if these killing orders (i.e., Ayats like: 9:5, 2.191, 5.33.or
> 2.193) have had come from Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself then, I would not
> ask this question. Because, Prophet Muhammad was also a human being of flesh
> and blood, and in need, he also can ask for necessary killings. Apologist?s
> example/comparisons with history of mankind --killing by American Civil War,
> battle of Kurukhetra or Hitler, Yahya Khan, Tikka Khan, Winston Churchill,
> etc., would fit here very well. Because, these are simply earthly (parthive)
> happenings and humans are not omnipotent/almighty by any standard. Human
> cannot achieve something simply by wishful thinking like an Omnipotent God.
> But God of course can achieve something simply by His wish. As we are told
> in Quran that, ?Of course if Allah (swt) wills He can create anything just
> by saying ?Qun? (Be) and it exists. Likewise Allah (swt) can destroy at
> will.? If we are to believe the text of preceding quotation by Maoulanas
> then we cannot find any validity of asking by God to kill anybody. God
> Himself can kill them by His killer Angel AZRAEL. Or, Omnipotent God simply
> can correct every anomaly by His wishes, period. He should not need anybody?
> s help.
>
> Another new question has generated by the Qur?anic Ayat quoted by most
> Apologists. That is, ?Let there be no compulsion in religion? (Quran-2:
> 256). This Ayat is used repeatedly by all apologists like a broken record to
> claim Islam?s tolerance to others, although, there are hundreds of Qur?anic
> Ayats and Sahih hadiths (which apologists hardly disclose) which prove
> otherwise. My humble questions here to all apologists are: What is the
> punishment of an apostate as per Islamic Sharia? Isn?t the punishment of an
> apostate is death by stoning? Why in Saudi Arabia all other religious
> activities except Islam are completely prohibited? Why very recently Saudi
> Government has closed Shiite Mosque in Saudi Arabia? Why then early
> propagators of Islam had to fight so many bloody battles both defensively
> and offensively?
>
> What is the difference between the code of King Hammurabi of Mesopotamia
> (2900 B.C): Killing for revenge, i. e., ?life for life, hand for hand, eye
> for eye, ears for ears, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal?, and the
> Allah?s Guidance of Qur?anic Ayat: 5:45, i.e. ?life for life, hand for hand,
> eye for eye, ear for ear, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal.? Do we
> see any similarities between the judgment of King Hammurabi (a human), and
> Omnipotent Allah? Here in this decree of judgement, who probably copied from
> whom?
>
> Most important and mysterious questions for us to ponder are: Why Muhammad
> (pbuh), the prophet of God, needed to insist/ask people to fight/kill fellow
> people violently? And why did he lure Islamic believers that they will get
> Jannat el-Ferdous if they kill kaffirs? Why on the other hand, another
> Prophet of the same God Jesus Christ said, ?He who live by the sword will
> die by the sword? or ?If you get slapped on your right cheek then give your
> left cheek for the another slap.? Why Jesus asked people to conquer the
> hearts of enemies by their love? Why did Mahatma Gandhi asked people not to
> attack/kill the enemies but to tolerate all tortures? Was Gandhi or Jesus a
> better person than the omnipotent who goes by the name Rahman-ur-Rahim (Kind
> and forgiving)?
>
> As a child, we were told by the clerics back home that Almighty Allah has
> 100 names. The two names show up side-by-side in the book Niam-ul-Qur?an (By
> Moulvi Mohammad Shamsul Huda) page 20. One of the names is Ya-Gaffaru (Oh,
> forgiver!). The other name mentioned next to it is Ya-Kah-haru (Oh, big
> punisher). The Mullahs of the world should know better that the Almighty
> couldn?t be both all at the same time. Whether we like it or not, Jesus
> seems to have opted for the forgiving part of Allah, whereas, our
> Payare-Nabi Mustafa Karim (pbuh) had shown his proclivity to mete out
> punishment and thus opting for the title Kah-haru. No wonder so many
> bystanders Arab had to be murdered in the broad daylight because they had
> their nagging doubts about the divinity of Muhammad (pbuh).
>
> The bottom line in this ongoing debate is the following: It would be quite
> unjust for the CREATOR to approve killing of his creations by his own
> creation. If He thinks that some creations are becoming unruly, and are
> deviating from the Seerut-al-Mustaquim, then, why can?t He come down from
> his Arash to this lowly place call Arda (Earth) and do the killing Himself?
> He most certainly has ever-ready Azrael under His arm. But could it be that
> poor Azrael is too tired doing his job from the time immemorial! In that
> case, Allah is very wise to tell us that we men should kill another fellow
> human being because in His infinite wisdom He thought we are the right
> persons for this job. What a cruel joke this Almighty is playing on us!
>
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