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RE: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly



 - - - trying to push rationality into people - - - , " - - -  they are amenable to improve and come out into the world of liberated minds."  Here is the problem. When you think that you are rational and those who profess faith in Islam are not, that you have ' liberated minds', others don't. Isn't it how one tries to claim that ' I am better than thou'? Let me give you a simple example of faith. The story goes like this that once caliph Harun al Rashid was going with his wife Zubaidah in a caravan. After a bend, a beggar looking man stopped them. The caliph was annoyed when the beggar asked, 'Will you buy the paradise, then give me a coin?' He wanted to do away with the man when his wife intervened and asked that the beggar be given a coin and no harm done. They then went on, the incident forgotten. The next morning the caliph woke up sweating and out of breath. Zubaidah asked the reason. The caliph said that he dreamt that they had died. And Zubaidah was in the paradise while he was burning in hell. He sent for that beggar but never found him.

Now that story may be concocted. That is not important here. The moot thing is your FAITH. Here Zubaidah had firm faith in the hereafter. So she thought whats the harm in paying a coin if it can get me in to paradise. Her husband probably was more 'rational' as you put it. He probably had an ' amenable liberated mind'. So Islam is all about faith. The very first condition to become a Muslim is to have unquestionable FAITH in that unseen being called ALLAH. The rest emanates from that faith. The faithless will obviously make fun of it, claiming themselves more learned, liberal minded, rational etc. etc. But the fact remains that all of us will die. Our soul will get separated from the body. What is done to the body does't matter. What matters is what happens to the soul?

Mustafizur Rahman


To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: subain1@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:02:53 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 

I agree with Dr. Das, there is no point in trying to push rationality into people that are too much inside their cocoon of religion. But I believe a lot of people who identify themselves in terms of religions are actually not too religious; they are amenable to improve and come out into the world of liberated minds.
 
I also think that people who found new incarnations of God in humans like Ramkrishna are as stupid as people who found messengers of God many centuries back. However, I am willing to tolerate the idiocies of religions as long as they do not translate into hatred and injustice. In that respect, the followers of Ramkrishna and Buddha are better than the followers of the abrahamic religions. Although the contemporary Christians are a lot more moderate, less into their religious enclosure, and do talk about peace on earth (as opposed to peace for the Christians).
 
Sukhamaya Bain 

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 
When someone says, his religion is 'perfect for me', I would spare him from criticism and would also not take his judgement as final on any issue for any reason.  Buddha used to say, "Judge everything, even if I said it."  Seeing what the Buddhists have done to Buddha by making him a God, it is easy to see what followers of other religions have done to their preachers.  For example, the Ramakrishna Mission has invented a new heaven called Ramakrishna Loke reserved for the deceased members of the mission.  A few decades ago, they demanded to the Government of India that they be treated as a minority religion separate from Hinduism. The children of Abraham are not as audacious.  They did not forget their root so soon.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
So, there was no response to my question from any other Muslim but Mr. Q. A. Rahman. The question was, "is it enough for a civilized world to treat the slaves fairly, to consider freeing a slave to be good deed, and to provide some rewards for freeing a slave?" It would have been refreshing to hear from genuinely religious Muslims something like "the reality of the sixth century did not allow Mohammad or Islam to abolish slavery, but their way of treating slaves was very progressive at that time; over a period of 1400 years we could certainly extrapolate that progress to the point of abolishing slavery in the 20th century."
 
That would have been honest and rational, while showing a lot of respect for Mohammad and Islam. However, I am disappointed that we did not have such honest and rational Muslims in this forum. Of course, that rationality would have made Mohammad and Islam inadequate for our time and for the future.
 
The problem I see with the average Muslims is that they have been too much in the irrational territory from their very childhood. I actually feel sorry for them; it must be very difficult to develop rational thinking while growing up in an environment of praying five times a day.
 
While I criticize the stupidities of the Hindu caste system and the way they used to treat women, one thing I like about the contemporary educated Hindus is that most of them eat beef, and most of them do not mind if one calls Krishna a characterless womanizer.
 
If one looks at eating beef by the Hindus and eating pork by the Muslims, eating beef by a Hindu can be reasonably argued to be a bigger sin than eating pork by a Muslim. Muslims do not eat pork because Mohammad called it dirty; Hindus do not eat beef because bull was the carrier of the high god Shiva; thus, like a god.
 
If one looks at the fundamentals of the two religions, Krishna is supposed to be more revered by the Hindus than how much reverence Muslims are to show Mohammad. According to Hinduism, Krishna is God in the form of a human; he is not just a messenger of God. Thus, insulting him would be no joke according to the fundamentals of Hinduism. But the Hindus do it anyway; no one gets death threats for doing it. To me, that is a sign that Hindus are progressing faster toward a rational Human identity.
 
In any case, I suppose, I should not expect much rationalism from seriously religious people.
 
So long for now,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly

 
Mr. A. Q. Rahman thinks that his religion is perfect is spite of the fact that it does not abolish or condemn slavery.
 
Now let me ask the same question to everyone who identifies himself/herself as a Muslim: is it enough for a civilized world to treat the slaves fairly, to consider freeing a slave to be good deed, and to provide some rewards for freeing a slave?
 
Hopefully, I will comment more on the subject after hearing from some other Muslims.
 
Sukhamaya Bain

 
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
 
.......................
QAR quotes SB: But do not claim it to be perfect, as you should be able to see from this particular example.
>>And QAR comments: So far my religion has been "Perfect" for me. ........................
 
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From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:30 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] How to follow religions correctly
 
I had already read these two verses, and a few more, in the Koran, and commented that "the religion asks its followers to treat slaves with fairness, and considers freeing a slave to be a good deed." Mr. Q. A. Rahman said the same thing below, diluting it in a full page of gibberish.
 
Let me comment here on Mr. Mustafizur Rahman's statement also. He wrote "Rewards for freeing a slave are numerous in Hadith." Let me just trust that he read the Hadith and knows this for a fact.
 
Having agreed with both the Rahmans, let me ask them; is it adequate for a civilized world to treat the slaves fairly, to consider freeing a slave to be good deed, and to provide some rewards for freeing a slave?
 
To me, there is no such thing as "treating a slave fairly." Once you brand someone as a slave, you are already too unfair to him/her. Reward and praise for freeing a slave is not enough for a decent world; we needed abolition of slavery. Today slavery is prohibited in all the respectable societies and countries of the world. As the human civilization progresses, I have no doubt, more and more of the unfairness and injustices will be gone from the world.
 
As for religions, the bottom line is, if an honest reading of your religious books allows you to respect the religion, please do so. But do not claim it to be perfect, as you should be able to see from this particular example.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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[ALOCHONA] Ershad Mazumdar on India's Bangladesh policy



Ershad Mazumdar on India's Bangladesh policy

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Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh



The exodus occurred in the twenties of last century.  The man you cited existed a century earlier.  Read the history of Indian Independence and Azad's contribution to it.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
The message remains the same whether it is Azad or Berelvi.  Ain't it?


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:44 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I am afraid you are confusing Moulana Abul Kalam Azad with Syed Ahmed Berelvi!

Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:56 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
One should be a little more aware of history.  When Maulana Azad called India 'Darul-i-arb' or the land of war, hundreds of thousands of Moslems packed their bags and crossed the Khyber pass to walk their holy land and perished in Afghanistan.

"In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem."

Indeed, anyone is entitled to his opinion.  However that would cot change the facts.


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • "Spiritual home" of 4 million Hindus is not "thousands of miles away." You are forgetting them!
  • Modern civilized world will never consider letting "him drown" as a good option.
  • In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem.

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 
I wish to sympathize with my brother.  The basic problem, though, is that his spiritual home is thousands of miles away.  If he does not relocate to the place where his mind is, I have little choice but to let him drown.  Abraham left his motherland after it was too saline to support cultivation.  Rest is history.  If my brother and I are invaded by the ocean, I would have less difficulty than these children of Abraham with a desire to conquer other civilizations by hook or crook.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • First we should express our concern about the potentially endangered 35 million. We should think about what should be done about them. We do not have even 40 years at our disposal.
  • Of these 35 million about 4 million will be non-Muslims.
  • If the crisis really arises and mass migration to India occurs, can India and the rest of the world really remain indifferent in the face of this humanitarian crisis?
  • Why do we assume that most of them "will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat?" Why can't we see them as the distressed humanity?
  • My brother is sinking and I am worried that he will share and pollute my cousin's home! This cannot be the line of thinking.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 

"Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level."
If the above prediction of Al Gore really comes true, can you guess where those 35 million people will go? All of them will move in to India. The eastern belt of West Bengal and Assam is already saturated with Bangladeshi settlers and migrant workers. Colonies after colonies of Bangladeshi settlers are already present all around Delhi, Bombay, and Gujrat; can they take another 35 million Bangladeshi settlers? Most of them will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat. What can India do with such unwanted guests? I do not envision a happy ending. Do you?
Jiten Roy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

 



Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
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Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

Al Gore, Reader Supported News
01 February 12
 
fter crossing the legendary Drake Passage, we came in sight of the Antarctic continent. It is a majestic, otherworldly place. The Antarctic Peninsula, which juts northward toward South America, is lined with ice-covered mountains and surrounded by abundant wildlife in the sea. But even on this continent that looks and feels pristine, a troubling process is underway because of global warming.
The ice on land is melting at a faster rate and large ice sheets are moving toward the ocean more rapidly. As a result, sea levels are rising worldwide. Most of the world's ice is contained in Antarctica - more than 90 percent. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which lies south of the Peninsula, contains enough water to raise sea levels worldwide by more than 20 feet. Part of the ice sheet, the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf, is among the many in Antarctica that are shrinking at an accelerating rate. This has direct consequences for low-lying coastal and island communities all over the world - and for their inland neighbors.
In analyzing the relationship between melting ice and sea level rise, it is important to distinguish between two kinds of ice: the ice on land and the ice floating on top of the sea. When floating ice melts, sea level is not affected, because its weight has already pushed the sea level upward. But the melting of glaciers and ice sheets resting on land does increase sea level rise. So far, the melting of small mountain glaciers and portions of ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland has been the main contributor to sea level rise from the loss of ice. (As the oceans warm up, their volume naturally expands, and this too has been a contributor to a small portion of the sea level rise that has occurred in the age of global warming).
Scientists aren't yet sure precisely how much sea levels will rise over the next century. What we do know is that sea level rise is occurring already, with real consequences for human beings who live near the coasts. In the world's largest port cities, 40 million people are now already at risk of severe coastal flooding. That number could well triple within the next half-century or so.
Even wealthier countries are not immune to the impacts. In the United States, for example, particularly vulnerable areas are: Miami Beach, the Chesapeake region, coastal Louisiana, and coastal Texas. In some of these areas, the land is sinking even as the oceans rise. This will have implications that extend right up to the steps of our nation's Capitol. A recent study found that sea level rise of only a tenth of a meter would lead to $2 billion in property damage and affect almost 68,000 people in Washington, D.C. In addition, the enhanced threat of storm surges was illustrated last year when tropical storm Irene led to warnings that the New York City subway system and tunnels into the city could be flooded.
But the most vulnerable regions lie in developing countries, where populations are still rising fast and there is little money to shore up infrastructure. The cities most threatened by sea level rise are places like Calcutta and Mumbai in India; Guangzhou, China; and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. And of course, there are more than a few low-lying island nations - like the Maldives - that are already in imminent danger.
Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level. For the nation's 142 million people packed into a small space, climate change poses a nearly unimaginable challenge. The threat of sea level rise is not simply flooding, but saltwater intrusion that hurts the production of rice, the country's staple crop. Increased damage to rice farmers could soon put 20 million farmers out of work and force them into crowded cities.
Here in Antarctica, it's easy to feel isolated from the rest of the world. But as I look at this exquisite continent buried deep under the ice, it's troubling to think about what will happen as this ice melts ever more rapidly.
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প্রধানমন্ত্রীর প্রশংসা করে আল গোরের ফোন
জলবায়ু ঝুঁকি মোকাবেলা
বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম ॥ প্রধানমন্ত্রীকে ফোন করে জলবায়ু ঝুঁকি মোকাবেলায় তাঁর ভূমিকার প্রশংসা করেছেন নোবেল বিজয়ী সাবেক মার্কিন ভাইস প্রেসিডেন্ট আল গোর। 'এ ভয়েজ টু বটম অব আর্থ' মিশনে বর্তমানে এ্যান্টার্কটিকায় থাকা গোর শনিবার সন্ধ্যা সাড়ে ৬টার দিকে ফোন করেন। মিশনের সবার পক্ষ থেকে তিনি ফোন করেন বলে উল্লেখ করেন সাবেক মার্কিন ভাইস প্রেসিডেন্ট। এ সময় সেখানে আইসল্যান্ডের প্রেসিডেন্টসহ বিভিন্ন দেশের পরিবেশমন্ত্রী উপস্থিত ছিলেন। প্রধানমন্ত্রীর বিশেষ সহকারী (গণমাধ্যম) মাহবুবুল হক শাকিল এ কথা জানান।
তিনি বলেন, প্রধানমন্ত্রী এ সময় জলবায়ুর ঝুঁকিতে থাকা দেশগুলোর বিষয়ে কথা বলেন। আল গোরকে ধন্যবাদ জানিয়ে পরিবেশ আন্দোলনে ভূমিকার জন্য তার প্রশংসা করেন প্রধানমন্ত্রী।
প্রধানমন্ত্রী বলেন, জলবায়ু পরিবর্তনে ভূমিকার রাখা গ্রীনহাউজ গ্যাস নিঃসরণকারী দেশের তালিকায় বাংলাদেশ তলার দিকে থাকলেও পরিবর্তনজনিত প্রভাব বাংলাদেশের ওপরই বেশি। 'এ ভয়েজ টু বটম অব আর্থ' মিশনের লক্ষ্য জলবায়ু পরিবর্তনের প্রভাব পর্যবেক্ষণ ও এ বিষয়ে বিশ্ববাসীর মধ্যে সচেতনতা বৃদ্ধি। গোরের সঙ্গে বাংলাদেশের পরিবেশমন্ত্রী হাছান মাহমুদ গত ৩১ জানুয়ারি এ্যান্টার্কটিকার হান্নাহ পয়েন্টে যান। ১৯৯৩ থেকে ২০০১ মেয়াদে যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের ভাইস প্রেসিডেন্টের দায়িত্ব পালনকারী আল গোর তার জলবায়ু পরিবর্তন রোধ বিষয়ক কর্মকাÊের জন্য ২০০৭ সালে নোবেল শান্তি পুরস্কার পান।


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[ALOCHONA] Smear campaign against me in Kaler Kantha newspaper



A news report about me appears in the February 5 issue of the Kaler Kantha. I deny in entirety the mala fide and fabricated remarks made about me in the report. The fact that the report claims I do not exist should be enough to show it is a ill-motivated and highly objectionable attempt to smear me. This report follows closely an article by ex-Janakantha reporter Fazlul Bari (presently in Australia) who tried to implicate me in the recent coup attempt. I made strong and persistent objection to that article. A Daily Sun reporter (Nirjhar Majumder) contacted me on Facebook regarding that article and I denied categorically the contents but then the Kaler Kantha newspaper prints this trash report. 


   

http://www.kalerkantho.com/?view=details&type=gold&data=Politics&pub_no=783&cat_id=1&menu_id=13&news_type_id=1&index=0



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[mukto-mona] Fw: জান্নাতের কল্পকথা [2 Attachments]

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We are blessed by Mukto-mona writers, like Mahashina Khatun, who can enlighten us with information that many of us may not have otherwise. As for me, I have very little patience to read any of the religious scriptures. It's not that I did not try, I did, but - I could not go very far. You can finish reading something only when you are learning something and curious to know what's next. These books turn me off within a few lines. Writings are based on immature naïve reasoning and logically inconsistent arguments. I am glad that the writer had the patient to finish the entire text. It amazes me how people brag about such books in this day and age.
The description of "Jannat" or "Behestwa" is so poor and inconsistent that it does not make sense at all, as the writer has pointed out. As I was reading this article, I was also asking myself the same question, "what about the reward for women?" Woman will again become a sex-toy of the man in the Jannat. Then, there is wine in the Jannat, but -without intoxicating ingredients. That's not wine, that's juice. Intoxicating agents turns grape juice into wine, which makes wine so interesting. If it's not there, what's the point of waiting all life for drinking juice in he Jannat? It seems like the writer of these books wanted to make a distinction with Christianity, and in the process made it completely meaningless. Also, how can everything be magnificent and beautiful in the Jannat? Logically it is impossible, because - "beauty" cannot exist without "ugly." The whole thing appears to be absurd, to say the least.
The story is the same in all religions. There is nothing logical in any of these books. That's why all religions forbid criticism, and need some empty-headed blind-faith believers.
I encourage everyone to read this article.
Jiten Roy

 
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[mukto-mona] Fw: জান্নাতের কল্পকথা




We are blessed by Mukto-mona writers, like Mahashina Khatun, who can enlighten us with information that many of us may not have otherwise. As for me, I have very little patience to read any of the religious scriptures. It's not that I did not try, I did, but - I could not go very far. You can finish reading something only when you are learning something and curious to know what's next. These books turn me off within a few lines. Writings are based on immature naïve reasoning and logically inconsistent arguments. I am glad that the writer had the patient to finish the entire text. It amazes me how people brag about such books in this day and age.
The description of "Jannat" or "Behestwa" is so poor and inconsistent that it does not make sense at all, as the writer has pointed out. As I was reading this article, I was also asking myself the same question, "what about the reward for women?" Woman will again become a sex-toy of the man in the Jannat. Then, there is wine in the Jannat, but -without intoxicating ingredients. That's not wine, that's juice. Intoxicating agents turns grape juice into wine, which makes wine so interesting. If it's not there, what's the point of waiting all life for drinking juice in he Jannat? It seems like the writer of these books wanted to make a distinction with Christianity, and in the process made it completely meaningless. Also, how can everything be magnificent and beautiful in the Jannat? Logically it is impossible, because - "beauty" cannot exist without "ugly." The whole thing appears to be absurd, to say the least.
The story is the same in all religions. There is nothing logical in any of these books. That's why all religions forbid criticism, and need some empty-headed blind-faith believers.
I encourage everyone to read this article.
Jiten Roy
 

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Re: [mukto-mona] Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh



I am afraid you are confusing Moulana Abul Kalam Azad with Syed Ahmed Berelvi!

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
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One should be a little more aware of history.  When Maulana Azad called India 'Darul-i-arb' or the land of war, hundreds of thousands of Moslems packed their bags and crossed the Khyber pass to walk their holy land and perished in Afghanistan.

"In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem."

Indeed, anyone is entitled to his opinion.  However that would cot change the facts.


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • "Spiritual home" of 4 million Hindus is not "thousands of miles away." You are forgetting them!
  • Modern civilized world will never consider letting "him drown" as a good option.
  • In my opinion "spiritual home" assumption is totally wrong. It will also be wrong to say that the spiritual home of a Bangladeshi Hindu is Goya, Kashi, Vrindaban, Mathura, etc. Similarly the spiritual home of Bangladeshi Christians is not Jerusalem.

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
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I wish to sympathize with my brother.  The basic problem, though, is that his spiritual home is thousands of miles away.  If he does not relocate to the place where his mind is, I have little choice but to let him drown.  Abraham left his motherland after it was too saline to support cultivation.  Rest is history.  If my brother and I are invaded by the ocean, I would have less difficulty than these children of Abraham with a desire to conquer other civilizations by hook or crook.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  • First we should express our concern about the potentially endangered 35 million. We should think about what should be done about them. We do not have even 40 years at our disposal.
  • Of these 35 million about 4 million will be non-Muslims.
  • If the crisis really arises and mass migration to India occurs, can India and the rest of the world really remain indifferent in the face of this humanitarian crisis?
  • Why do we assume that most of them "will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat?" Why can't we see them as the distressed humanity?
  • My brother is sinking and I am worried that he will share and pollute my cousin's home! This cannot be the line of thinking.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
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"Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level."
If the above prediction of Al Gore really comes true, can you guess where those 35 million people will go? All of them will move in to India. The eastern belt of West Bengal and Assam is already saturated with Bangladeshi settlers and migrant workers. Colonies after colonies of Bangladeshi settlers are already present all around Delhi, Bombay, and Gujrat; can they take another 35 million Bangladeshi settlers? Most of them will probably be brain-washed anti-Indian or down-right communal cadres of BNP/Jamat. What can India do with such unwanted guests? I do not envision a happy ending. Do you?
Jiten Roy

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Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
Portrait, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore, 11/03/09. (photo: Graeme Robertson)
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Rising Seas From Antarctica to Bangladesh

Al Gore, Reader Supported News
01 February 12
 
fter crossing the legendary Drake Passage, we came in sight of the Antarctic continent. It is a majestic, otherworldly place. The Antarctic Peninsula, which juts northward toward South America, is lined with ice-covered mountains and surrounded by abundant wildlife in the sea. But even on this continent that looks and feels pristine, a troubling process is underway because of global warming.
The ice on land is melting at a faster rate and large ice sheets are moving toward the ocean more rapidly. As a result, sea levels are rising worldwide. Most of the world's ice is contained in Antarctica - more than 90 percent. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which lies south of the Peninsula, contains enough water to raise sea levels worldwide by more than 20 feet. Part of the ice sheet, the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf, is among the many in Antarctica that are shrinking at an accelerating rate. This has direct consequences for low-lying coastal and island communities all over the world - and for their inland neighbors.
In analyzing the relationship between melting ice and sea level rise, it is important to distinguish between two kinds of ice: the ice on land and the ice floating on top of the sea. When floating ice melts, sea level is not affected, because its weight has already pushed the sea level upward. But the melting of glaciers and ice sheets resting on land does increase sea level rise. So far, the melting of small mountain glaciers and portions of ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland has been the main contributor to sea level rise from the loss of ice. (As the oceans warm up, their volume naturally expands, and this too has been a contributor to a small portion of the sea level rise that has occurred in the age of global warming).
Scientists aren't yet sure precisely how much sea levels will rise over the next century. What we do know is that sea level rise is occurring already, with real consequences for human beings who live near the coasts. In the world's largest port cities, 40 million people are now already at risk of severe coastal flooding. That number could well triple within the next half-century or so.
Even wealthier countries are not immune to the impacts. In the United States, for example, particularly vulnerable areas are: Miami Beach, the Chesapeake region, coastal Louisiana, and coastal Texas. In some of these areas, the land is sinking even as the oceans rise. This will have implications that extend right up to the steps of our nation's Capitol. A recent study found that sea level rise of only a tenth of a meter would lead to $2 billion in property damage and affect almost 68,000 people in Washington, D.C. In addition, the enhanced threat of storm surges was illustrated last year when tropical storm Irene led to warnings that the New York City subway system and tunnels into the city could be flooded.
But the most vulnerable regions lie in developing countries, where populations are still rising fast and there is little money to shore up infrastructure. The cities most threatened by sea level rise are places like Calcutta and Mumbai in India; Guangzhou, China; and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. And of course, there are more than a few low-lying island nations - like the Maldives - that are already in imminent danger.
Then there is Bangladesh. A one-meter sea level rise - which could happen as soon as 2050 according to some Antarctic specialists - could result in between 22 and 35 million people in Bangladesh relocating from the areas in which they now live and work. Two-thirds of this nation is less than five meters above sea level. For the nation's 142 million people packed into a small space, climate change poses a nearly unimaginable challenge. The threat of sea level rise is not simply flooding, but saltwater intrusion that hurts the production of rice, the country's staple crop. Increased damage to rice farmers could soon put 20 million farmers out of work and force them into crowded cities.
Here in Antarctica, it's easy to feel isolated from the rest of the world. But as I look at this exquisite continent buried deep under the ice, it's troubling to think about what will happen as this ice melts ever more rapidly.
Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.
 












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