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Wednesday, July 1, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)



even before Iqbaal who wrote about motherland being the zannat, it was in the Hadis where the piece of space below the mother's feet were declared as the highest level of behest. If we read the farsi texts during Shahzada Dara Suko, it was then [for the first time ever] where motherland became some kind of an icon [bejan shaye] that was raised to the level of God's chosen space.   Bande Mataram is actually a sanskritization of farsi literature and concept [coming from Rumi & Hafiz days] of a space for which warriors should lay down their lives.   that was the interesting part of Bankim...... and that probably why scholars like Dr Sahidullah always appreciated Bankim. [Though ,my evaluation of Bankim is different, but that does not matter in this debate].

On 1 July 2015 at 11:52, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:
"mukto-mona Yahoogroups" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:14 PM
 
 
From its inception during the Independence Movement, Bande Mataram controversy was artificially canned by shrewd manipulators of communal politics posing as village idiots pitifully needing protection of their "religious sentiments." The recent re-visiting of the controversy was unnecessary and a publicity stunt by the Deoband Maulanas.
 
Some quick facts:
                           The text is completely secular (with no ref. to the Vedas, Upanishads or the Geeta)
                            It was composed before the writing of the novel, Anandamath
                            The novel is mis-characterized as anti-Muslim or against Muslim rule of Bengal, and a recent English translation confirms that there is no full-blown communalism in the text
                            The song was written for Mother Bengal and addressed to her 'saat koti' children, half of whom were Muslims. In a sly bit of editing, 'saat koti' was changed to 'koti koti' thereby not only decoupling it from Bengal, but also distorting the song's homage to Mother Bengal and turning it into a divine Durga. By then Bankim was long dead, and had nothing to do with this doctoring of his song's text.

[So Kamal Das lying about 'tyrannical Muslim rule' whose reference he got from the American historian Will Durant, the popular "Readers' Digest"-y type of writer in the 1950s whom no one reads seriously any more, is a bit farcical and part of the ongoing communal bs about the innocent song].
 
Like the popular American sports news-broadcaster bellows on camera: "Let's go to the videotape!" I would like to roll the 'tape' of the time of production of the text of Bande Mataram.
 
At around the timing of the composition of the song, it would be more than a couple of decades since the British had dropped all mercantile pretensions and gobbled up India as a part of its Empire. The not-too-distant memory of the bitter battles fought and lost in 1857 is still smarting in many a heart. Bengal, whose plentiful wealth had been systematically robbed to enrich the British Treasury for more than a hundred years now, is the seat of governance of this foreign imperial power over whole India.  Calcutta, a flourishing metropolis, was turning out an educated urban middle class whose intellectual and cultural accomplishments far surpassed the expectations of Mill-Macaulay & Co. who wanted nothing more than mediocre servicemen of the Empire by their Indian education policies.  Bankim was the first graduate of the newly established Calcutta University after trudging through an incredibly cumbersome and tough syllabus.
 
Exposure to English language and literature acted as an enabler in the rapid development of Bengali as a modern language.  There was a new awakening of love and pride for motherland and mother language, and nostalgia for the freedom that used to belong to the people in the pre-colonial era. Bengal had traded with foreigners for centuries, and even endured Company rule since the fall of Sirajuddowla in 1757.  Heavy taxation and privatization of community land caused unprecedented famine (1770) that devastated the population. Even so, the effect of outright colonization took some time to sink in.  Bankim lamented in one of his essays: "Nowadays we hear a lot about Administrator and all sorts of rules and regulations. In this land in the olden times you could call a bunyan tree an 'administrator' (shasonkarta)". By which Bankim is stating unambiguously that we Bangalis were a free, self-governed nation under the Muslim Kings before the British came and took away our freedom.
 
Bankim's Bande Mataram was the most powerful, but many of his contemporary poets and composers, both Hindus and Muslims, wrote paeans for Mother Bangla (the word 'bangla' denoting both the land and the language).  Two generations after Bankim, my grandfather, the poet Golam Mostafa composed his song showing clear influence of both Bankim and Iqbal's 'Sare jahan se': "Shakol desher chaite shera moder Bangladesh, sujala sufala shasya-shyamola snigdho shitalabesh." Kazi Nazrul Islam, one of the greatest Bengali poets, my nana's friend, wrote: "Namo namo namo Bangladesh momo, chiromonoramo, chiro madhur." Unfortunately the village idiots of Bangladesh today do not sing Nazrul's song because it has 'namo namo namo' as invocation that is considered a bit too Hindu-like. Invocations are common parlance, and any speaker of that language should be free to use them regardless of the religious identity of that person.  Imagine Hindi/Urdu-speaking Hindus not singing A. R. Rahman's "Ma, tujhe salaam" because 'salaam' sounds Muslim-like!
 
[Will be continued with more facts and findings .. .. .. ]
 
                 Farida Majid
 



From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:16:10 +0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)

 

East India Company was displaced by British Government as a consequence of 1857 right away.

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On Jun 29, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The time period in the novel was the transition period in the history of Bengal. 1757 had already happened. The a East India Company was in the process of taking over. The administration was practically in the hands of a Muslim and a Hindu who jointly ran the local administration. Corruption was rampant. That is the time when the infamous Chhiattorer monwontor eclipsed Bengal. Rebels came from among the common masses. 

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On Jun 28, 2015, at 10:25 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bande Mataram, the slogan, was used against the British. Muslim rulers became history when it was written. Common Muslims hadn't become a significant political force in Bengal. The novel in which the song became a part ends with solace that Muslim tyranny had ended and just rule by the British had come.

War cry or patriotic fervor? Isn't patriotism just another religion? As Dr. Johnson said, it is the last refuge of scoundrels.


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On Jun 28, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

War cry or patriotic fervor; but was it against the Muslims or against the British? I knew that many Muslims did not like the song because it had a distinct Hindu flavor. But I never heard of it being used against the Muslims during a riot. 



On Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:47 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Bande Mataram was indeed the war cry, like Joy Bangla, during the Swadeshi Movement, but only in Bengal not elsewhere in India.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Ali Saheen's comments appear to be childish to me. It seems like she is just arguing without substance. She needs linguistic abilities and some research about the pretexts of the song, as Farida Majid mentioned, to understand Bande Mataram. Without which, it will be misunderstood, as many people do.
Anyway, this is what I found about Bande Mataram:
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This is the summary of a lecture delivered by Sri Aurobindoin the Grand Square of the National School, Amraoti, Berar, on January 29, 1908. The meeting commenced with the singing of Bande Mataram
Bande Mataram – a mantra with hidden meaning
Song in Bengali of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee
translation by Sri Aurobindo (November 20, 1909)
Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Dark fields waving, Mother of might,
Mother free.
Glory of moonlight dreams
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease,
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother, I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.
Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands,
When the swords flash out in twice seventy million hands
And seventy millions voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call, Mother and Lord!
Thou who savest, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foemen drave
Back from plain and sea
And shook herself free.
Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
Thou our heart, our soul, our breath,
Thou the love divine, the awe
In our hearts that conquers death.
Thine the strength that nerves the arm,
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
Every image made divine
In our temples is but thine.
Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother, lend thine ear.
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleams,
Dark of hue, O candid-fair
In thy soul, with jewelled hair
And thy glorious smile divine,
Loveliest of all earthly lands,
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
Mother, mother mine!
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
Mother great and free.
Sri Aurobindo said that he was exceedingly pleased to know that the song had become so popular in all parts of India and that it was being so repeatedly sung. He said that he would make this national anthem the subject of his speech.
The song, he said, was not only a national anthem to be looked on as the European nations look upon their own, but one replete with mighty power, being a sacred mantra, revealed to us by the author of "Ananda Math", who might be called an inspired Rishi. He described the manner in which the mantra had been revealed to Bankim Chandra, probably by a Sannyasi under whose teaching he was. He said that the mantra was not an invention, but a revivification of the old mantra which had become extinct, so to speak, by the treachery of one Navakishan. The mantra of Bankim Chandra was not appreciated in his own day, and he predicted that there would come a time when the whole of India would resound with the singing of the song, and the word of the prophet was miraculously fulfilled.
The meaning of the song was not understood then because there was no patriotism except such as consisted in making India the shadow of England and other countries which dazzled the sight of the sons of this our Motherland with their glory and opulence. The so-called patriots of that time might have been the well-wishers of India but not men who loved her. One who loved his mother never looked to her defects, never disregarded her as an ignorant, superstitious, degraded and decrepit woman. 
The speaker then unfolded the meaning of the song. As with the individual, so with the nation, there were three bodies or koshas, the sth's'a and k'na shariras. In this way the speaker went on clearing up the hidden meaning of the song. The manner in which he treated of love and devotion was exceedingly touching and the audience sat before him like dumb statues, not knowing where they were or whether they were listening to a prophet revealing to them the higher mysteries of life.
He then concluded with a most pathetic appeal to true patriotism and exhorted the audience to love the Motherland and sacrifice everything to bring about her salvation.
First published in "Bande Mataram", January 29, 1908

 

From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:54 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla)

 
Bande Mataram includes Muslims as part of Bangla Ma's Sontan (Children of Mother Bangla) - so says Farida Majid in a post June 26, 2015, in the Mukto-Mona forum. Let me quote her, "I had posted a long, well-researched, linguistically analyzed article on Bankim's Bande Mataram, supporting the claim that the text of the song had nothing against Muslims, and in fact INCLUDES Muslims (as arithmetical half) as part of Bangla Ma's 'sontan'."
 
She also complained that Dr. Kamal Das, Dr. Jiten Roy and I did not remember her article. Let me say sorry to her for not remembering her article; I am actually not very good at remembering anything.
 
However, let me advise her that the three gentlemen's name she mentioned know that Bande Mataram is not a hate-song against the Muslims. I personally would not propose it in its entirety to be the national anthem of a pluralistic India. For that purpose, I would expunge the fourth and fifth stanzas, where Hindu deities and temples are invoked. As I wrote before, I can understand that many Muslims would not like this song as the national anthem; but this song certainly was not used for actually hating or hurting the Muslims.
 
The point is not really if the above three persons remember Ms. Majid's article. Ms. Majid needs to educate people like Ali Shaheen and the worse creatures in the forums and elsewhere.
 
BTW: Ms. Majid also did not like my statement that "she masquerades as a rational human being, but in reality her mind is subservient to the prescriptions of her religion, which obviously she cannot hide. I feel pity for her kind of people who, in spite of a good deal of academic accomplishment in humanities/sciences, remain captive to the stupidity and hatred of their religions."
 
Let me challenge Ms. Majid to prove me wrong. Ms. Majid, could you cite some verses in the Quran that should be actually discarded/disregarded? You need to tell the Muslims unequivocally, "these verses in the Quran are wrong; do not follow them."
 
Again, let me be clear that irrespective of what verses of the Quran are wrong and need to be discarded/disregarded, I wish nothing but the best for the Muslims. (That obviously means that I want them to live in an environment where they and the non-Muslims would treat each other with justice, dignity, human rights, citizenship rights, etc. - all the good things that all humans wish for themselves).
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Dangerous propaganda



Fighting for Caliphate.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Yeah, I do not see any Che or Simon Bolivar type characteristics with these IS elements, who simply do not know what they are fighting for?




On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:00 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Calling people with medieval mindset romantic revolutionaries is an affront to political correctness.

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On Jun 30, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
In short, these are two certified clowns with mental disease! I do not know where did you see the touch of romantic revolutionaries? Please do not feed these trolls.
 






On Monday, June 29, 2015 6:24 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I don't get all these emails such as from Mr. Zoglul or Mr. Bahar. Mr. Shaheen's views are pragmatic and he talks most sense. Looks like Zoglul and Bahar are romantic revolutionaries. Many such political views emerged in sixties and seventies in our region including India. They were all leftist political parties which included Naxalites. Their target was the state of India, the root cause of all subjugation and exploitation. They used to engage in interesting discourses such as 'Was India itself a colonial power?' They used to fight over tactics and strategies and also used to kill each other. During 1971 liberation struggle some groups, I have heard, fought simultaneously against Indian army plus our own freedom fighters and Pakistani occupation army. After independence one party was determined to free 'East Pakistan' from Indian grip. They retained their party name E. P. C. P for many years after independence. Among their allies were ML, JI, etc. 

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On Jun 28, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Decimation is done, exterminate the rest.

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On Jun 28, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Shah DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Not a crime to dream about Ghazaa-e-Hind and masturbate within the four walls of a confined room while others have been shooting for the distant stars and planets. Lets join Pakistan and decimate the obvious eternal enemies, the infidels?:-)

Only God knows what these people have been smoking?

Follow this retard if anybody cares?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CverzUnx1-o

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:52 PM, <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:
Several issues here:

It is important to be realistic.  Pakistan being a nuclear power cannot take on India, do you seriously think Bangladesh has the military power to do so and win?  If not then don't you think we need to pursue our goals through diplomatic means?  Being suicidal is not being brave.

India is not the only power that has regional ambitions.  China and the U.S. also do.  If we have learned to get along with China and the U.S. then perhaps we could try the same with the country that liberated us from Pakistan.

Bangladesh has left Pakistan behind since independence, but there is still a long way to go with respect to economic development.  If we want to compare ourselves with another country, perhaps we should do so with other smaller countries in the region.  If we want to take on India perhaps the way forward would be through a United Bengal movement but that won't work either because we will probably end up getting exploited again.

Responding to the views of extremist parties by urging people to prepare for war is not the answer.  One can try to settle disputes bilaterally and if that fails then through the mediation of third parties.  What is preventing Bangladesh from making trade and economic deals with other neighbours?  There is no need to keep defining ourselves in relation to India and if our economy is tied to India then there is all the more reason to not alienate India by persecuting Bangladeshi Hindus and upping the anti-Hindu rhetoric.

To take another example, men exploit women economically and abuse and murder them too.  Should we be advising women to hate men and get ready to kill them or should we encourage them to stand up for their rights and work together?

Canada lives next to a hegemonic power that is far worse than India in many ways. In the 19th. century the U.S. had invaded Canada and set fire to the Parliament and in return Canadian soldiers burned down the White House too.  Most Canadians don't care for US foreign policy and there are have been many, many trade disputes that are mediated by international bodies.  On the surface Canada and the U.S. keep referring to each other as best friends.  Canada does not like the absence of gun control in the U.S. because it also affects law and order here because that is from where guns are smuggled.  Our border is too huge to police so  being on bad terms with the U.S. is a lose-lose situation and inciting people to war means mutually assured destruction with Canada ending up the bigger loser.  Not because people want to prostrate to the Americans but because it is too one-sided.  That is reality.  If you want a war to sacrifice your fellow citizens, at least  start one that is winnable.

Unfortunately we in Bangladesh are not even able to resolve disputes between opposition parties, even if it hurts our economy, so our leaders and thinkers don't seem wise or responsible enough to act maturely.  We are addicted to anger and hate.  There is a difference between being assertive and being aggressive.  Compromising with give and take is not prostration.  Win-win outcomes are those in which neither party gets everything they are looking for, but both get something that they can live with.  But judging from the politics in Bangladesh each party wants all or nothing - this is reflected in our domestic policy and in our foreign policy.  If we want to become a middle income country by 2021 we won't achieve it by promoting religious hatred and starting a war with India or anyone else.

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On Jun 27, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Thank you. It is rather surprising to see that a very learned person, like you, fails to see the connectivity between safeguarding independence and sovereignty of a country from a regional hegemonic power, and the economic emancipation of the people of the country concerned under the grip of this hegemony. It is also difficult to see why some people rightly say that our national liberation struggle for 190 years (from 1757 Palashi to 1947) is glorious, and our freedom war in 1971 is glorious, but the same people say that defending our independence and sovereignty from the aggressive hegemonism of India is regressive! Is it the influence of the hegemonists?

When India pursues hegemonism, rather than win-win relations with us, should we appease, or prostrate? Or, should we nationally prepare to defend ourselves? Colonialism, at the end of WWII, was smashed to smithereens, but it re-emerged in the form of neo-colonialism, with its allies, such as hegemonism, expansionism, etc. with all its varying collaborations and contentions within the involved powers themselves. In a situation like this, all victim nations, like us, should do their best to defend freedom, and establish democracy, justice and harmonious development. 

As regards, economic development, which you raised, I very briefly referred to the emergence of developing countries as an important factor in the present day economics, in my article: Development of Bangladesh, published in Bangladesh in the Financial Express on 26 August 2014 with the title 'Economic and human resource development: Bangladesh makes its mark',
http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2014/08/26/52522. The article was also published by Bangladeshi publications in London and Paris.

The economic development of the emerging developing countries can be related to national independence in the process of decolonisation, along with other national and international economic factors.


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So you read extremist web sites and want to get ready for war.  How is that different from the US war on terror?  I guess we can use patriotism to patriotically sacrifice the lives of our fellow citizens by further inflaming the situation and adding fuel to fire.  This is actually a very Pakistani approach.  Let's focus on India so we can divert attention away from dealing with poverty, jobs, housing, health, education and transportation.  Let's go on jihads instead of building our own country.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Thank you, Abid Bahar Bhai, for your patriotic and thoughtful response. I think, some people forget the oft quoted Shakespearean expression (the context can be generalised): 

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, 
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." 
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio. 
Myopic philosophers often confound themselves, rather than enlightening others.

The 'Amader Shomoy' report, we are discussing, is not an isolated dangerous propaganda. A quick look at the following RSS Facebook (with 37 thousand likes) would show the hate campaign, fascist frenzy and the hegemonic aspiration:

Even Subir Bhaumik, a journalist, who has a PhD and 15 years' experience with BBC, openly threatened, in the Times of India, of Indian military intervention in Bangladesh, if the Bangladesh govt did not toe the line (i.e. accept the authority, policies, or principles of India, especially unwillingly). Please see the Bangladesh Chronicle article: Kite flying by RAW? Mumtaz Iqbal, November 14, 2013,

Many leaders of the fascist RSS, and the fascist BJP, brag about their anti-Muslim and Anti-Bangladesh evil rhetoric openly. Recently, I circulated lists of communal riots in India. There were thousands of these, and there are reports that both the RSS, the ideological mentor of BJP and open supporter of Hitler, and the BJP, were involved in a large number of these, just not only in Gujarat. For example, please see the following: Communal Riots in India, A Chronology (1947-2003), B Rajeshwari,  

The curse of the caste system, as well as inequality, has reduced 75% of the Indian people to Dalits (formerly called 'untouchables') and semi-Dalits. "The status of Indian Muslims are below the conditions of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes" according to Justice Sachar Committee report, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachar_Committee.

We must unite all patriots, and we must be prepared to defend ourselves. Appeasement of, or prostrating to, the hegemonists is an ignoble act, for which Lhendup Dorjee later repented ruefully, but it was too late then! We will not attack, but if attacked, we must be prepared to respond appropriately depending on our own strategy and tactics!





ALI SHAHEEN'S ADVISE IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR KINDERGARTEN CHILDREN

While I appreciate Mrs Ali Shaheen's belief in peace, but I don't think,the world is always a bed of roses. That is why the Prophet had to be ready to defend against his enemis. Gandhi was killed, Jesus was killed but not the Prophet of Islam because he was a practical man.

Mr. Zoglul  Husain's reference to Hindu fundamentalist noise in India, a news published in the Amader Somoy, could well be the background noise of the Muslim killer Norendro Modi, and like in the past this time also it could be real about his followers plan to kill Indian Muslims as being Bangladeshis. In neglecting such early signs of threats in Gujrat by the advise of people like Ail Shaheen,(the know it all naïve people) that led to the lose of life in Gujrat riot.

Mrs Ali Shaheen before giving people advise should know that nations are separate entities and their survival depends on the principle of the "survival of the fittest". Fortunately there are still people like Zoglul Hussain to remind us that there could be looming dangers for Indian minorities from extremist groups. I know that knowledge is power.  I don't see any problem by Zoglul Hussain in sending us the link, even when it is during the time of Ramadan. I don't think Ramadan should be a time to act foolishly than to be on guard.

 I find Ali Sheen's advise most appropriate for Kindergarten children who receive advise from parents and teachers to behave well with their fellow members.






On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:
Spreading this kind of dangerous propaganda does not promote peace.  Instigating people to become freedom fighters because some luntatic fringe party spreads racist propaganda is not the responsible thing to do.  It is Ramadhan, please think peace.  

 
 

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Dangerous propaganda
Forwarding to you the following 'Amader Shomoy' report, which highlights the dangerous propaganda of the Indian RSS against Bangladesh, and against the Muslims, who have been referred to as 'jaban', etc.  As reported by the Amader Shomoy, this is a direct call by the RSS to kill Bangladeshis. The RSS and BJP have blood on their hands, and they are reported to have been involved in thousands of riots against Muslims, Christians and other non-Hindu victims.

We all need to be ready to become freedom fighters, in whatever capacity we can contribute, and whenever the call might come. A small nation can certainly defeat a large one, if only the small nation have unity, determination and the right strategy and tactics.

The report is as follows:
(Please click to read the Amader Shomoy report, 23 June 2015) 

(Sorry, I am unable to copy the Amader Shomoy Bangla font)




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Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday



Crippling interest in this case!

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I follow the simple rule. You borrow the money, you pay it back in full... with or without interest. If it is a charity, that would be a different matter.
 




On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:05 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
"Greek exit would be followed by Spain, Italy and France due to bankruptcy ...." All these countries have been under liberal/socialist economies for decades. So, I don't see your point of view.

But, I don't disagree that - when all these liberal economies self-destruct, capitalism will suffer, as well, and it could even self-destruct; capitalism cannot survive without market.

Jiten Roy 

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
and Britain for other reasons. Thus the German hegemony would end.  Could U.S. economy survive without Chinese investment? Capitalism is the real culprit, not socialism.



On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
How long a country can sustain by borrowing other peoples' money?

Greece was once an economic and cultural power-house in the world, which is destroyed by the ultra-liberal/socialist economic policies; people should hold politicians responsible for ruining this beautiful country.

Jiten Roy
 

From: "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:09 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Greece Considers Capital Controls, Closing Banks on Monday

 
Another view ~ "I want him (Tsipras) to knock his fist on the table and to say 'enough!'," said Athens resident Evgenoula.

Many leading economists have voiced sympathy with the Greek government's argument that further cuts in spending risk choking off the growth which would give Greece some prospect of servicing debts worth nearly twice its annual national income. >>
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/30993-greece-considers-capital-controls-closing-banks-on-monday


গ্রীসে আগামী ৭ই জুলাই পর্যন্ত সমস্ত ব্যাংক বন্ধ থাকবে..
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