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Monday, September 26, 2011

[ALOCHONA] Bangladeshi terrorists' investment in Indian stock market



Bangladeshi terrorists' investment in Indian stock market

According to Bangladeshi intelligence sources more than 74 notorious terrorist kingpins from Bangladesh are now hiding in various places in India, where they already have invested a few million dollars in various businesses and stock markets.

Bangladesh Police sources confirms that notorious criminals and godfather of terror outfits named Ferdous aka Kala Jahangir, Jabbar Munna aka Manik, Prokash Kumar Bishwas, Mollah Masud, Shamim Ahmed aka Aga Shamim, Trimoti Subroto Bain aka Fateh Ali, Omar Faruk aka Kochi, Khandaker Tanvirul Islam Joy, Rafiqul Islam Kajol, Haris Ahmed Haris, Khorshed Alam and Kamrul Hassan aka Hannan are allegedly operating their illegal activities from India. Interpol had already issued RED Warrant against most of these absconding terror kingpins.

Bangladeshi intelligence sources said more than 74 notorious criminals and terror kingpins are now hiding in various parts of India, especially West Bengal. It said, according to various sources within India, absconding terrorist Mollah Masud has purchased a house at Bonogram area with Indian Rupees 37 million. Additionally, he has invested Indian Rupees 5 million in a private money-lending company at Kolkata's Boro Bazar area.

Absconding Bangladeshi terrorist Prokash Kumar Bishwas, who also is hiding in India for more than two decades have reportedly invested Indian Rupees 64 million in shares of companies registered with Calcutta Stock Exchange. It may be mentioned here that, Prokash Kumar Bishwas is the younger brother of Bikash Kumar Bishwas, another notorious terror kingpin, who is serving in Bangladeshi prison since 1996. The shares were purchased through several CSE members including Bhagawan Das Newar & Co, Dalmia Securities Ltd, Bimal & Co and Gopiram & Sons. Prior to purchasing shares, Prakash Kumar Bishwas reportedly sold a few acres of land at Dhaka's Mirpur [Paikpara] area. Another Bangladeshi absconding terrorist named Kamrul Hassan aka Hannan has reportedly bought an apartment at Kolkata's Salt lake area in 2008 with Indian Rupees 14 million. He also holds shares of a number of Public Limited Companies listed with Calcutta Stock Exchange.

Absconding terrorist Rafiqul Islam Kajol reportedly owns shares of a number of companies listed with Bombay Stock Exchange. He, along with a number of fellow terrorist kingpins have invested Indian Rupees has bought the shares using names of Indian nationals. It is learnt that, Rafiqul Islam Kajol and his associates purchased shares of Apollo Tyres, Asian Paints, Bharti Airtel, Colgate Palmolive, Dabur India, Hindustan Unilever, ITC, Maruti-Suzuki, Oriental Bank, Reliance Power and Siemens etc. The total amount of investment made by this terror syndicate in purchasing shares of companies listed with Bombay Stock Exchange is believed to be a few million Indian Rupees. Most of the amounts of investment were transferred to India using the name of an expatriate Indian named Mishra, who lives in Hong Kong for years.

Terror kingpin Mollah Masud has invested money in buying large volume of agricultural and horticultural lands in West Bengal. He reportedly bought such properties in the name of his wife [who is an Indian national] as well as his in-laws.

Another absconding Bangladeshi terrorist named Haris Ahmed Haris has reportedly made investment in a number of businesses in Nepal through Rubel Chowdhury, who is a family friend of Haris. It is learnt that, some other absconding Bangladeshi terrorists also have put fund with Haris in investing the in profitable VOIP business run by Rubel, who is an influential businessman in Nepal and is the son-in-law of Sujata Koirala, who is the former Deputy Prime Minister of Nepal. Rubel, who went to Nepal with tourist visa, stayed there for years and built a sizeable business empire using the influence of being the son-in-law of Ms. Koirala. He also is helping absconding Bangladeshi terrorists in obtaining Nepalese visa, which already was under eyes of country's Home Ministry.

A source at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said, "Chowdhury could be involved in obtaining illegal Nepali passports for Bangladeshi nationals, some of whom have landed in police net."

Rubel Chowdhury has violated the provisions of Nepalese tourist visa by engaging in commercial activities, an official at the Immigration Department said. It said, "Rubel has also clearly misused the United Nations logo in his Bangladesh-based NGO's website."

He also claims to be the member of British Royal Old Pangbournian Society.

Chowdhury has identified himself as "Dr Rubel Chowdhury, Senior Vice-Chairman of the Bangladesh-based World Peace and Economic Development Organisation [WPEDO] and his mother-in-law as - Dr. Sujata Koirala, Executive Vice-President of WPEDO. Bangladeshi NGO affairs bureau and Ministry of Social Affairs confirmed the non-existence of any such organization in the country, headed by a foreign national like Sujata Koirala.

Nepalese Police sources claim Chowdhury was the one who made one Nepali Sambhu Bharati a front man to supply logistics and Armed Personnel Carriers to Nepal Police deployed for Sudan-based UNAMID, and misappropriated millions belonging to the Nepal Police Welfare Fund when late Girija Prasad Koirala was the Prime Minister. Government Spokesperson Shankar Pokharel declined to comment on Chowdhury's case.

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[ALOCHONA] Re: AL MP Gias of Gafargaon



AL MP Sheikh Mujibur Rahman of Satkhira

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AL MP Gias of Gafargaon



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[mukto-mona] Re: [Essay] Why We Critique Only Islam !

I am in-line with Lopa Tasneem's conclusion, i.e
All religious intolerances are bad. Coming up essays after essays against one religion is doing nothing but serving the purpose of the fundamentalists of other religions. I also find SKM's approach tedious as he keeps his "search" limited to a specific religion (probably on purpose). I hope he will be brave enough use his intelligence on finding flaws religions as a "whole" (atleast all "Abrahamic" religions).

K.A

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> By searching through the internet, I found over a thousand groups related to Hinduism. Some of them do preach hatred against other religions. What do you think Shivsena, RSS, Bajrangi dal are doing in India? India is ruled by a Fundamentalist Hindu party. Haven't we heard what happened in Gujarat recently? How those Hindu fundamentalists are any less evil than the Muslim terrorists. In this age of internet one doesn't need to rely on American media only to know what's happening in the whole world.
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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Turkish Govt returns Christian and Jewish properties Seized in 1936



Would the likes of Mr. Hannan let Bangladesh also follow the example?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:08 AM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:
 

 

Good act of the Turkish government.

 

 

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From: Sayyid Syeed <ssyeed@isna.net>
Date: Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:49 PM
Subject: Turkish Govt returns Christian and Jewish properties Seized in 1936
To: Sayyid Syeed <ssyeed@isna.net>

Turkish Government to Return Seized Property to Religious Minorities

By SEBNEM ARSU
Published: August 28, 2011

ANKARA, Turkey — The Turkish government said it would return hundreds of properties that were confiscated from religious minorities by the state or other parties over the years since 1936, and would pay compensation for properties that were seized and later sold.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan made the announcement on Sunday to representatives of more than 150 Christian and Jewish trusts gathered at a dinner he hosted in Istanbul to break the day's Ramadan fast. The government decree to return the properties, bypassing nationalist opposition in Parliament, was issued late Saturday.

The European Union, which Turkey has applied to join, has pressed the country to ease or eliminate laws and policies that discriminate against non-Muslim religious groups, including restrictions on land ownership. Many of the properties, including schools, hospitals, orphanages and cemeteries, were seized after 1936 when trusts were called to list their assets, and in 1974 a separate ruling banned the groups from purchasing any new real estate.

Disputes over the groups' properties have tied up Turkish and European courts for decades, and the European Court for Human Rights has ordered Turkey to pay compensation in several cases related to religious minority rights in recent years.

"Like everyone else, we also do know about the injustices that different religious groups have been subjected to because of their differences," Mr. Erdogan said at the dinner, according to the semiofficial Anatolian News Agency. "Times that a citizen of ours would be oppressed due to his religion, ethnic origin or different way of life are over."

In contrast with its staunchly secular predecessors, the Islam-inspired government of Mr. Erdogan's Justice and Development Party, known as A.K.P., has been more sympathetic and attentive to Turkey's non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians. It has enacted a number of measures since 2002 to bring Turkish law more into compliance with European Union standards on minority rights, so that Turkey's application to join the union could advance.

The decree issued on Saturday removed legal impediments that had continued to block the return of the properties even after amendments were enacted in recent years to allow it.

"There have been changes made to existent legislation at least five times since the government of the A.K. Party, but they have not been very satisfactory in practice," said a Greek government official who asked not to be identified because of his diplomatic position. "We hope this time the changes would make a real difference in implementation."

Less than 1 percent of Turkey's 74 million people belong to religious minorities; there are about 120,000 Christians of different denominations, including Greek Orthodox, and about 25,000 Jews.

A version of this article appeared in print on August 29, 2011, on page A4 of the New York edition with the headline: Turkish Government to Return Seized Property to Religious Minorities.


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Office for Interfaith & Community Alliances
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Washington DC 20002
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?



J. Roy: "Bangalee-Jatiotabad or Bengali-Nationalism is not a state entity. But, state has to allow free exercise of those secular rights and characteristics, and state has to nourish it to flourish. Non-Bangalees have their own secular Jatiotabad, and they should be allowed to exercise them freely also."
 
My Comments (S. Bain): So, 'the state has to nourish the Bangalee Nationalism, and allow free exercise of non-Bangalee nationalisms'!! To me this sounds qualitatively similar to 'the state has to nourish Islam, and allow free exercise of non-Islamic religions'. Obviously, I disagree with Dr. Roy here.
 
To me, if the overwhelmingly majority group really cares about their cultural identity (nationalism, as defined by Dr. Roy), they would be least in need of nourishment from the state. All they would need is to put their money where their mouth is, and promote their culture voluntarily. There would be no need to make the small minority groups to feel like step-children of the state. No, I do not think the state should nourish the majority culture and just allow the other cultures.
 
Thanks,
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?



JitenDa
Looks like you want to wipe out the concepts "Chakma", "Gorkha", and so on! You are forcing them to wear "Bengali" tokma.

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
We recognize Chakma, Sawtal, Garoo, etc. etc. as various Jatis, and I am sure they have no trouble recognizing us as Bangalee. In fact they do. It seems like some Bangalees are having trouble recognizing their own Jati. Our Jati does not change based on our citizenship. We are always Bangalee wherever we live. The right way to address this issue is as follows: a Bangalee, living in Bangladesh, is Bangladeshi-Bangalee; a Bangalee, living in Parchimbanga, is Indian-Bangalee; a Bangalee, living in the USA, is American-Bangalee; etc., etc., and the same is true for all other Jatis also.
 
Jiten Roy
--- On Mon, 9/26/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 7:05 PM

 
 
I wish everybody wthin the Bangladesh borders would be happy to call himself a Bengali. Do you really think that a Chakma will from his heart accept this? I don't think so. They have their own language, culture, and tradition quite distinct from ours. Then why should I be so chauvinistic? I am a citizen of Bangladesh and so he is. Both of us are Bangladeshi if we are not allergic to this desgination. But I am a Bengali and he is a Chakma. I don't see any conflict.
Ekushe February is a national event. It has a broader significance. It has been recognized and is every year celebrated by UNESCO. Chakmas should not have any problem in celebrating this along with the Bengalis. The spirit of Ekushey is to respect the mother language of every aspiring national entity however small it may be. 
Similar argument applies to Gorkhas living in West bengal.
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 

I do not know if there is a perfect English translation for the Bengali word "Jati." As a Jati - we are Bangalee, irrespective of our religious affiliations, castes, and creeds. Bangalee-Jati is our secular cultural identity. The Bangalee-Jatiotabad consists of certain secular characteristics, such as, we celebrate Pahela-Boishakh, Bashata-Baran, Ekushe-February (February 21st), etc. etc. with cultural, and ritualistic activities. There are other festivities and practices, which used to be celebrated widely, irrespective of religious affiliations, but now mainly scattered fashion. They are Poush-Sangcranti, celebrated with varieties of Cakes (Pithas), Chaitra-Sangcranti, celebrated with cultural activities and fairs, Maghi-Purnima, etc. etc.  Bangalee-Jatiotabad, being above and beyond our religious characteristics, is the glue that can unite the majority under a true secular platform.
 
Closest English word for 'Jatiotabad' is Nationalism; I know it does not completely express the full meaning of the term Jatiotabad, as we mean. That's where the confusion comes from. Bangalee-Jatiotabad or Bengali-Nationalism is not a state entity. But, state has to allow free exercise of those secular rights and characteristics, and state has to nourish it to flourish. Non-Bangalees have their own secular Jatiotabad, and they should be allowed to exercise them freely also.
 
If I have misconception, please let me know.
 
I appreciate all your comments. Thanks.
 
Jiten Roy
 --- On Sat, 9/24/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 7:01 PM

 
"-------------and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural."----Dr. Jiten Roy
 
Let us take an example to examine Dr. Roy's comment. Nationality of Indians is Indian which indicates that their nationality is Indian. No problem with that. But which group of people constitutes the majority and what is this majority group's culture? Are these the people in the Hindi belt? Obviously not. Even being an Indian by nationality, a Bengali or an Assamese is a Bengali or an Assamese. Even within the subset of Bengal (West Bengal), we cannot force a Gorkha to identify himself as a Bengali. If the Gorkhas are culturally, linguistically, and historically distinct from Bengalis, why should we force them to call themselves Bengalis?  
 
"There is no issue of fairness in nationalism."---Dr. Jiten Roy
 
It will be quite unfair to force a Chakma to call himself a Bengali as this very word reflects language, culture, and history. Politically he is a "citizen of Bangladesh" but culturally a Chakma. The majority has no right to force a Chakma to accept a Bengali's cultural identity. This is not only unfair, this is coercive also.
 
"There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh."----Dr. Jien Roy
 
I agree. Pakistani regimes tried to redefine Bengalis in East Pakistan as Pakistanis. That was a political game with India. But what is going on now? I would expect some elaboration. Regards.
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
Everybody is missing my point. I am simply asking - what is our cultural identity, not our religious identity or nationality? 
 
Nationality and nationalism are two different things. Nationality is citizenship, and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural. There is no issue of fairness in nationalism. There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh.
 
Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:29 PM

 
Bangladesh is a political entity, as opposed to a cultural one. May be, Najrul Islam's Bangla Desh and Ravindranath's Sonar Bangla were cultural, and those included more than the political entity of Bangladesh ; they also excluded at least the Chittagong Hill Tracts, which is a part of today's political Bangladesh .
 
Citizenship (nationality) is not cultural. I wish the secular politicians and intellectuals of  Bangladesh did not start this non-sense of Bangalee nationalism in 1971-72. It was wrong to ask the CHT people to call themselves Bangalees. Again, Bangalee nationalism was not really the spirit of all movements during 1947-71, and should not have been unless if we wanted to merge with West Bengal and allowed CHT to secede from us. Fairness, respect and dignity for Bangla and the Bangalees should not be considered the same as Bangalee nationalism. Bangalee nationalism would have demanded a separate nation for the Bangalees, even if the western Pakistanis treated the Bangalees with due respect. Our real spirit was no nationalism; it was fairness, respect and dignity for us.
 
Citizenship for anyone who seeks it? It is not done anywhere in the world. All countries have their laws to govern how a non-citizen would be given citizenship.
 
I would not ask Awami League to revive the so-called Bangalee nationalism (citizenship), rather I would ask them to respect all peoples of the land with respect; much like I would not ask them to call all Bangladeshis Muslims, much like I would not ask all Indians to be known as Hindus, much like I would not desire all cultural, linguistic and ethnic groups of the United States to be called Christians or English.
 
Well, so long for now,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] HAVOC CREATED BY JAMATI'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dr. Bain's comments tells me that, in my last sarcastic comments, I did not clarify my points enough; hence confusions.
I was looking for a cultural identity for the people of Bangladesh. I explored 3 conventional identities (Bangalee, Bangladeshi, and Moderate Muslim), which have been used in the past to represent the people of Bangladesh. But, none of them seemed to encompass all people. As a result, the identity crisis still remains, and we do not know who we are.
After Bangladesh was born, our cultural identity (Jatiota) was Bangalee, and our nationality was also Banglalee. Ershad changed our nationality to Bangladeshi. The motive was to include all the people of Bangladesh, so he told us at that time. Was it really the motive? If that was true – all non-Bangalee Biharis should have been citizen by now, and Father Tim, the former Principal of Notre Dame College, would have been citizen already. If you say that our nationality is Bangladeshi - then we should grant citizenship to any permanent resident of Bangladesh, if they seek one.
In my view, it was done purposefully to defuse pre-independence secular mindset, and neutralize the Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit, the spirit of independence movement. As you know, Quranic verses and state religion (Islam) were also introduced in the secular constitution right around that time.
Dr. Bain, Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit has been the driving force behind all movements in the East Pakistan since the language movement in 1952. Even though Sheikh Mujib was not seeking independence at the beginning, but his movement was fueled by the Bangali-Jatiotabadi spirit. This is the spirit that still can unite the mjority in Bangladesh. That's why - I have been asking Awami League to revive that spirit for their sake.
 
Thanks for your comments. Love to hear from you. Don't be a stranger.
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?



Pretty funny! What kind of statement is this? 
What about the bondage between Muslims and Hindus of Bangladesh? Is it "thin"? Do they belong to "Bangladeshi jati"? 
Do Hindus of West Bengal and Muslims of West Bengal belong to "Indian jati"? Is it "thin" or "thick"? 
I think the purpose of Mr. Hannan's statement is to fish in the troubled waters. He is thinking more in terms of religious divide. This reminds me of Jinnah's Two-Nation Theory. Mr. Hannan seems to be talking in the same line. According to Jinnah all the Indian Hindus constituted one nation and all the Indian Muslims constituted another nation. He forgot about other religious groups.
Pretty funny!  
Mr. Hannan should recognize that religion is only one element (it may even be absent) in the structure of a nation. Hindu majority India and Hindu majority Nepal did not form one nation. All the Christian dominated countries in Europe did not form one nation. 

From: S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
There is no Bangalee Jati as there is no Gujrati jati or Bihari jati or punjabi Jati  Bond of unity of bangla speaking Muslims of Bangladesh and Banglaspeaking Hindus of West bengal is very thin.They belong to Bangladeshi jati or Indian jati respectively. For becoming jati you require much stronger bond.
 
Shah Abdul hannan
 
From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jiten Roy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:44 AM
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
 
 
I do not know if there is a perfect English translation for the Bengali word "Jati." As a Jati - we are Bangalee, irrespective of our religious affiliations, castes, and creeds. Bangalee-Jati is our secular cultural identity. The Bangalee-Jatiotabad consists of certain secular characteristics, such as, we celebrate Pahela-Boishakh, Bashata-Baran, Ekushe-February (February 21st), etc. etc. with cultural, and ritualistic activities. There are other festivities and practices, which used to be celebrated widely, irrespective of religious affiliations, but now mainly scattered fashion. They are Poush-Sangcranti, celebrated with varieties of Cakes (Pithas), Chaitra-Sangcranti, celebrated with cultural activities and fairs, Maghi-Purnima, etc. etc.  Bangalee-Jatiotabad, being above and beyond our religious characteristics, is the glue that can unite the majority under a true secular platform.
 
Closest English word for 'Jatiotabad' is Nationalism; I know it does not completely express the full meaning of the term Jatiotabad, as we mean. That's where the confusion comes from. Bangalee-Jatiotabad or Bengali-Nationalism is not a state entity. But, state has to allow free exercise of those secular rights and characteristics, and state has to nourish it to flourish. Non-Bangalees have their own secular Jatiotabad, and they should be allowed to exercise them freely also.
 
If I have misconception, please let me know.
 
I appreciate all your comments. Thanks.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sat, 9/24/11, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 7:01 PM
 
"-------------and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural."----Dr. Jiten Roy
 
Let us take an example to examine Dr. Roy's comment. Nationality of Indians is Indian which indicates that their nationality is Indian. No problem with that. But which group of people constitutes the majority and what is this majority group's culture? Are these the people in the Hindi belt? Obviously not. Even being an Indian by nationality, a Bengali or an Assamese is a Bengali or an Assamese. Even within the subset of Bengal ( West Bengal ), we cannot force a Gorkha to identify himself as a Bengali. If the Gorkhas are culturally, linguistically, and historically distinct from Bengalis, why should we force them to call themselves Bengalis?  
 
"There is no issue of fairness in nationalism."---Dr. Jiten Roy
 
It will be quite unfair to force a Chakma to call himself a Bengali as this very word reflects language, culture, and history. Politically he is a "citizen of Bangladesh " but culturally a Chakma. The majority has no right to force a Chakma to accept a Bengali's cultural identity. This is not only unfair, this is coercive also.
 
"There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh ."----Dr. Jien Roy
 
I agree. Pakistani regimes tried to redefine Bengalis in East Pakistan as Pakistanis. That was a political game with India . But what is going on now? I would expect some elaboration. Regards.
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
 
Everybody is missing my point. I am simply asking - what is our cultural identity, not our religious identity or nationality? 
 
Nationality and nationalism are two different things. Nationality is citizenship, and nationalism is a cultural identity, which reflects majority cultural. There is no issue of fairness in nationalism. There has been an orchestrated attempt to alter our cultural identity (Bangalee) in this region during Pakistani era, and it is still going on in Bangladesh .
 
Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: The sprit of Bangalee nationalism?
To: " mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com " < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com >
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:29 PM
 
Bangladesh is a political entity, as opposed to a cultural one. May be, Najrul Islam's Bangla Desh and Ravindranath's Sonar Bangla were cultural, and those included more than the political entity of Bangladesh ; they also excluded at least the Chittagong Hill Tracts, which is a part of today's political Bangladesh .
 
Citizenship (nationality) is not cultural. I wish the secular politicians and intellectuals of  Bangladesh did not start this non-sense of Bangalee nationalism in 1971-72. It was wrong to ask the CHT people to call themselves Bangalees. Again, Bangalee nationalism was not really the spirit of all movements during 1947-71, and should not have been unless if we wanted to merge with West Bengal and allowed CHT to secede from us. Fairness, respect and dignity for Bangla and the Bangalees should not be considered the same as Bangalee nationalism. Bangalee nationalism would have demanded a separate nation for the Bangalees, even if the western Pakistanis treated the Bangalees with due respect. Our real spirit was no nationalism; it was fairness, respect and dignity for us.
 
Citizenship for anyone who seeks it? It is not done anywhere in the world. All countries have their laws to govern how a non-citizen would be given citizenship.
 
I would not ask Awami League to revive the so-called Bangalee nationalism (citizenship), rather I would ask them to respect all peoples of the land with respect; much like I would not ask them to call all Bangladeshis Muslims, much like I would not ask all Indians to be known as Hindus, much like I would not desire all cultural, linguistic and ethnic groups of the United States to be called Christians or English.
 
Well, so long for now,
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] HAVOC CREATED BY JAMATI'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dr. Bain's comments tells me that, in my last sarcastic comments, I did not clarify my points enough; hence confusions.
I was looking for a cultural identity for the people of Bangladesh . I explored 3 conventional identities (Bangalee, Bangladeshi, and Moderate Muslim), which have been used in the past to represent the people of Bangladesh . But, none of them seemed to encompass all people. As a result, the identity crisis still remains, and we do not know who we are.
After Bangladesh was born, our cultural identity (Jatiota) was Bangalee, and our nationality was also Banglalee. Ershad changed our nationality to Bangladeshi. The motive was to include all the people of Bangladesh , so he told us at that time. Was it really the motive? If that was true – all non-Bangalee Biharis should have been citizen by now, and Father Tim, the former Principal of Notre Dame College, would have been citizen already. If you say that our nationality is Bangladeshi - then we should grant citizenship to any permanent resident of Bangladesh , if they seek one.
In my view, it was done purposefully to defuse pre-independence secular mindset, and neutralize the Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit, the spirit of independence movement. As you know, Quranic verses and state religion (Islam) were also introduced in the secular constitution right around that time.
Dr. Bain, Bangalee-Jatiotabadi spirit has been the driving force behind all movements in the East Pakistan since the language movement in 1952. Even though Sheikh Mujib was not seeking independence at the beginning, but his movement was fueled by the Bangali-Jatiotabadi spirit. This is the spirit that still can unite the mjority in Bangladesh . That's why - I have been asking Awami League to revive that spirit for their sake.
 
Thanks for your comments. Love to hear from you. Don't be a stranger.
 
Jiten Roy --- 


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