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Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Who spawned communalism in India?



AMU does not seem to be a factor as Katzu has said that 80 percent of both Hindus and Muslims have fallen victims to the evil designs of the British rulers. My opinion is that 80 percent is too big a number. It is only a big fraction of the educated people who are proactively communal. Ordinary people are least communal. 
There is nothing wrong in being communal as long as intention is not to favor people of one's own community unjustifiably and harm the members of a perceived rival community without a valid reason. 
The Divide and Rule policy that British adopted to rule India has been pointed to by others also. There was no communalism before 1857---seems to be true to me when I look at all the major communal riots between Hindus and Muslims, Muslims and Sikhs, and Hindus and Sikhs all of which happened over the last 100 years. 

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On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Justice Katzu has delivered a politically correct speech in the environment of Aligar Muslim University.  Only fools would take his speech seriously.  There is not much truth in it.  Communalism existed in India even from ancient times.  The concept of any religion considering itself superior to others is the root of communalism.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


"He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics."

 

British may have fomented communalism in the Indian-subcontinent, but – the torch-bearers of communalism from then on have been our good politicians. I don't blame British so much; they did what they thought Indians will bite, and they did. It worked so well that Indians started to chew thumbs for 200 years, and British started to rule the country even though it was not their initial intent. Therefore, if we want to blame anybody for communalism, we have to blame our politicians; they can't seem to have enough of it.

Justice Markandey Katju is right – those who are real instigators of communalism never get punished. Only the foot soldiers of communalism get punished, not the queen-bees, who trade communalism. In Bangladesh, politicians use communalism for politics. While Awami League uses communalism covertly, BNP uses communalism nakedly; it's a part of BNP political strategy.

How can we ever end communalism, if the queen-bee of communalism controls the power structure?

Jiten Roy

 


--- On Sun, 12/16/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: Who spawned communalism in India?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 6:58 AM


 
  I sincerely believe in this statement which can be applicable to Pakistan and Bangladesh as well:

<< Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."  >>


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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 09:49:05 +0800
Subject: [india-unity] Who spawned communalism in India?

 

British spawned communalism. History books doctored?: Justice Katju

December 15, 2012 by admin   


Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Uttar Pradesh, December 13, 2012: Addressing a huge gathering at the Kennedy Auditorium organized by the Aligarh Muslim University Chapter of the Progressive Writers' Association, the Chairman of the Press Council of India, Justice (Retd.) Markandey Katju asserted that in 1857, there was almost zero percent communalism in the country while today 80% of both Hindus and Muslims had fallen prey to the devil's designs.
Quoting extensively from historical documents, Katju said, "There is a plethora of documentary evidence available including correspondence between different Viceroys and British government, which makes it clear that history books were deliberately doctored by the British rulers to spawn communalism in India."
Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."
He added that it might take a few decades for the people to grasp the full reality of the roots of Hindu-Muslim conflict which was engineered by the British as a deliberate state policy for maintaining the British hold over India.
Making a point, Justice Katju declared that the real tragedy was that while the British sowed the seeds of discords in hearts and minds of the people, after independence agent provocateurs were continuing this nefarious policy. He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics.
Referring to the ongoing battle against terror in the Indian Subcontinent, Katju said that there was ample evidence to suggest that whenever incidents of terror took place in India, very frequently innocent Muslim youth were randomly picked up by the security forces. This is not only unjust but also helps the actual perpetrators of such heinous crimes from escaping the clutches of the law. He said that on every terror incident, the police was under pressure to nab the culprits at the earliest and the easiest way out was to implicate innocent persons to ease the pressure.
The PCI chief further said that there were historic evidences suggesting the thesis that India is overwhelmingly a country of immigrants with their own cultural, social and religious legacies and 90% of the Indian population comprised of people who migrated to India from different parts of the world over the centuries in search of the green pastures of this beautiful fertile country and a comfortable living. The ten percent original residents of India are the pre-Dravidian tribal who have now been pushed into the sidelines.
Katju said that the problem of communalism in India was artificial created by some mischievous elements. He appealed the youth of the country to fight against communalism. He said that intellectuals are the eyes of society.
Delivering his presidential remarks, the Vice Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University, Retired Lt. General Zameer Uddin Shah assured that the AMU community was fully committed to the cause of promoting secularism in India and would never bow to the divisive forces of communalism and regionalism. Shah said that Muslims often fell prey to discrimination but the only way out for them to ensure that they are able to play their due role as equal citizens was to empower themselves through the weapon of education.
Shah said that if Muslim youth are not ready to wallow in ignorance and illiteracy, then there is no force which can stop their journey ahead.

Progressive Writers' Association was established in 1936 in Lucknow and was revived in 1990.
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You are an insane! You are blaming a poor victim for not being at the right place? Good Lord!
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Mohymen did not get killed, Viswajit did.  So the conclusion is that he was a worse shibir cadre than Mohymen.  Mr. Manik, your nature is that of a monkey with no shame.  When nineteen Vir Bikrams kill one unarmed man, you don't get stunned and keep delivering rubbish.  Shame on you!!!

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Justice Katzu has delivered a politically correct speech in the environment of Aligar Muslim University.  Only fools would take his speech seriously.  There is not much truth in it.  Communalism existed in India even from ancient times.  The concept of any religion considering itself superior to others is the root of communalism.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


"He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics."

 

British may have fomented communalism in the Indian-subcontinent, but – the torch-bearers of communalism from then on have been our good politicians. I don't blame British so much; they did what they thought Indians will bite, and they did. It worked so well that Indians started to chew thumbs for 200 years, and British started to rule the country even though it was not their initial intent. Therefore, if we want to blame anybody for communalism, we have to blame our politicians; they can't seem to have enough of it.

Justice Markandey Katju is right – those who are real instigators of communalism never get punished. Only the foot soldiers of communalism get punished, not the queen-bees, who trade communalism. In Bangladesh, politicians use communalism for politics. While Awami League uses communalism covertly, BNP uses communalism nakedly; it's a part of BNP political strategy.

How can we ever end communalism, if the queen-bee of communalism controls the power structure?

Jiten Roy

 


--- On Sun, 12/16/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: Who spawned communalism in India?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 6:58 AM


 
  I sincerely believe in this statement which can be applicable to Pakistan and Bangladesh as well:

<< Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."  >>


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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 09:49:05 +0800
Subject: [india-unity] Who spawned communalism in India?

 

British spawned communalism. History books doctored?: Justice Katju

December 15, 2012 by admin   


Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Uttar Pradesh, December 13, 2012: Addressing a huge gathering at the Kennedy Auditorium organized by the Aligarh Muslim University Chapter of the Progressive Writers' Association, the Chairman of the Press Council of India, Justice (Retd.) Markandey Katju asserted that in 1857, there was almost zero percent communalism in the country while today 80% of both Hindus and Muslims had fallen prey to the devil's designs.
Quoting extensively from historical documents, Katju said, "There is a plethora of documentary evidence available including correspondence between different Viceroys and British government, which makes it clear that history books were deliberately doctored by the British rulers to spawn communalism in India."
Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."
He added that it might take a few decades for the people to grasp the full reality of the roots of Hindu-Muslim conflict which was engineered by the British as a deliberate state policy for maintaining the British hold over India.
Making a point, Justice Katju declared that the real tragedy was that while the British sowed the seeds of discords in hearts and minds of the people, after independence agent provocateurs were continuing this nefarious policy. He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics.
Referring to the ongoing battle against terror in the Indian Subcontinent, Katju said that there was ample evidence to suggest that whenever incidents of terror took place in India, very frequently innocent Muslim youth were randomly picked up by the security forces. This is not only unjust but also helps the actual perpetrators of such heinous crimes from escaping the clutches of the law. He said that on every terror incident, the police was under pressure to nab the culprits at the earliest and the easiest way out was to implicate innocent persons to ease the pressure.
The PCI chief further said that there were historic evidences suggesting the thesis that India is overwhelmingly a country of immigrants with their own cultural, social and religious legacies and 90% of the Indian population comprised of people who migrated to India from different parts of the world over the centuries in search of the green pastures of this beautiful fertile country and a comfortable living. The ten percent original residents of India are the pre-Dravidian tribal who have now been pushed into the sidelines.
Katju said that the problem of communalism in India was artificial created by some mischievous elements. He appealed the youth of the country to fight against communalism. He said that intellectuals are the eyes of society.
Delivering his presidential remarks, the Vice Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University, Retired Lt. General Zameer Uddin Shah assured that the AMU community was fully committed to the cause of promoting secularism in India and would never bow to the divisive forces of communalism and regionalism. Shah said that Muslims often fell prey to discrimination but the only way out for them to ensure that they are able to play their due role as equal citizens was to empower themselves through the weapon of education.
Shah said that if Muslim youth are not ready to wallow in ignorance and illiteracy, then there is no force which can stop their journey ahead.

Progressive Writers' Association was established in 1936 in Lucknow and was revived in 1990.
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[mukto-mona] Bangladesh probe: Fire sabotage, owner negligent



Bangladesh probe: Fire sabotage, owner negligent





DHAKA, Bangladesh (AP) — A Bangladesh government committee investigating the garment factoryfire that killed 112 people last month said in its findings that the blaze was sabotage, probably by someone who worked there.

But the panel said that no matter who set the fire, the owner of the factory also should be punished for the deaths because he neglected worker safety.

"If someone is responsible for such a huge number of deaths, that's him. He has failed to ensure safety," committee head Mainuddin Khandaker said of factory owner Delwar Hossain.

Some government and garment industry officials had alleged soon after the Nov. 24 fire that it was an act of sabotage, though a fire official said casualties would have been greatly reduced if the factory had followed safety rules.

The factory lacked emergency exits and Hossain has said only three floors of the eight-story building were legally built. Surviving employees said gates had been locked and managers had told them to go back to work after the fire alarm went off.

The four-member committee submitted its report to the government Monday. At least two other investigations are continuing.

Khandaker, an official with the Ministry of Home Affairs, told The Associated Press that committee members believe some people who worked at the factory were involved in the sabotage.

"Otherwise, how come they locked the gates? How come they asked the workers to go back to work even after the fire alarm?" he said.

Three factory officials suspected of locking workers inside the building were arrested days after the fire and remain in custody.

Khandaker said the panel recommended further investigation through a "powerful intelligence agency" to unearth the insiders.

No matter who is responsible for setting the fire, Khandaker said, "We can't spare the owner of the factory. He is responsible for his failure to ensure safety. I have recommended specifically to bring the owner under the purview of law."

Hossain "tried to defend himself" under questioning from the committee, Khandaker said. "But I can tell you clearly that he had serious negligence as he has failed to follow existing building code and safety rules."

A phone call seeking comment from Hossain rang unanswered Monday night.

The committee recommended that the government form a "powerful task force" to ensure safety at garment factories across the country. The garment industry accounts for about 80 percent of Bangladesh's exports, and workers' rights groups say existing regulations have gone unenforced because officials fear the industry's power.

The Tazreen Fashions Ltd. factory made clothing for several major U.S. retailers, including Wal-Mart, which had received a 2011 audit warning about the factory's conditions. Wal-Mart and other companies said suppliers had used the Tazreen factory without their knowledge.

Retailers, fashion labels, labor groups and local officials meeting in 2011 in Dhaka, the capital, had discussed an agreement to improve fire safety at Bangladesh's roughly 4,000 garment factories. The proposal went nowhere after a Wal-Mart representative said it was "not financially feasible," according to meeting minutes and witnesses.

Khandaker said the government would now examine his committee's report and take further steps in line with their recommendations.

http://news.yahoo.com/bangladesh-probe-fire-sabotage-owner-negligent-151949772--finance.html

Bangladesh Tazreen factory fire was sabotage - inquiry
BBC News-6 hours ago


Mid-level officials prevented workers from leaving the burning building, the official inquiry found


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    The investigations also blamed Hossain for the deaths from the fire...mentioned the fire at Tazreen Fashions as an act of sabotage. But theowner cannot avoid his responsibility for the extreme negligence which caused the incident." Legal action under Section 304 (ka) of the BangladeshPenal Code has ...

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"He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics."

 

British may have fomented communalism in the Indian-subcontinent, but – the torch-bearers of communalism from then on have been our good politicians. I don't blame British so much; they did what they thought Indians will bite, and they did. It worked so well that Indians started to chew thumbs for 200 years, and British started to rule the country even though it was not their initial intent. Therefore, if we want to blame anybody for communalism, we have to blame our politicians; they can't seem to have enough of it.

Justice Markandey Katju is right – those who are real instigators of communalism never get punished. Only the foot soldiers of communalism get punished, not the queen-bees, who trade communalism. In Bangladesh, politicians use communalism for politics. While Awami League uses communalism covertly, BNP uses communalism nakedly; it's a part of BNP political strategy.

How can we ever end communalism, if the queen-bee of communalism controls the power structure?

Jiten Roy

 
--- On Sun, 12/16/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: Who spawned communalism in India?
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "alapon@yahoogroups.com" <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 6:58 AM

 
  I sincerely believe in this statement which can be applicable to Pakistan and Bangladesh as well:

<< Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."  >>


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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 09:49:05 +0800
Subject: [india-unity] Who spawned communalism in India?

 

British spawned communalism. History books doctored?: Justice Katju

December 15, 2012 by admin   


Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Justice Markandey Katju delivering the lecture at the Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
Uttar Pradesh, December 13, 2012: Addressing a huge gathering at the Kennedy Auditorium organized by the Aligarh Muslim University Chapter of the Progressive Writers' Association, the Chairman of the Press Council of India, Justice (Retd.) Markandey Katju asserted that in 1857, there was almost zero percent communalism in the country while today 80% of both Hindus and Muslims had fallen prey to the devil's designs.
Quoting extensively from historical documents, Katju said, "There is a plethora of documentary evidence available including correspondence between different Viceroys and British government, which makes it clear that history books were deliberately doctored by the British rulers to spawn communalism in India."
Katju said, "India's steep decline on the tragic path of communalism can be reversed and the country can become one of the greatest industrial powers in the world if the educated Indians accept the challenge of demolishing the demon of communalism from the country. India can only thrive and become strong if the edifice of secularism becomes the cornerstone in the everyday life of the common man."
He added that it might take a few decades for the people to grasp the full reality of the roots of Hindu-Muslim conflict which was engineered by the British as a deliberate state policy for maintaining the British hold over India.
Making a point, Justice Katju declared that the real tragedy was that while the British sowed the seeds of discords in hearts and minds of the people, after independence agent provocateurs were continuing this nefarious policy. He said that he had no hesitation to state that politicians had played a major role in spreading this poison deeper for serving their own vote bank politics.
Referring to the ongoing battle against terror in the Indian Subcontinent, Katju said that there was ample evidence to suggest that whenever incidents of terror took place in India, very frequently innocent Muslim youth were randomly picked up by the security forces. This is not only unjust but also helps the actual perpetrators of such heinous crimes from escaping the clutches of the law. He said that on every terror incident, the police was under pressure to nab the culprits at the earliest and the easiest way out was to implicate innocent persons to ease the pressure.
The PCI chief further said that there were historic evidences suggesting the thesis that India is overwhelmingly a country of immigrants with their own cultural, social and religious legacies and 90% of the Indian population comprised of people who migrated to India from different parts of the world over the centuries in search of the green pastures of this beautiful fertile country and a comfortable living. The ten percent original residents of India are the pre-Dravidian tribal who have now been pushed into the sidelines.
Katju said that the problem of communalism in India was artificial created by some mischievous elements. He appealed the youth of the country to fight against communalism. He said that intellectuals are the eyes of society.
Delivering his presidential remarks, the Vice Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University, Retired Lt. General Zameer Uddin Shah assured that the AMU community was fully committed to the cause of promoting secularism in India and would never bow to the divisive forces of communalism and regionalism. Shah said that Muslims often fell prey to discrimination but the only way out for them to ensure that they are able to play their due role as equal citizens was to empower themselves through the weapon of education.
Shah said that if Muslim youth are not ready to wallow in ignorance and illiteracy, then there is no force which can stop their journey ahead.

Progressive Writers' Association was established in 1936 in Lucknow and was revived in 1990.
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