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Monday, June 15, 2015

[mukto-mona] Fw: Ziaur Rahman , the dubious !!!!





On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:39 AM, Muhammad Ali <manik195709@yahoo.com> wrote:


Sharing a FB post which overwhelmingly liked by many (This is from one of the forum) :

ছবিটি ভালো করে দেখুন। সর্বকালের সর্বশ্রেষ্ঠ বাঙালি , জাতির জনক বঙ্গবন্ধুর পিছনে এভাবে দাড়িয়ে প্রজাতন্ত্রের কর্মচারীর দায়িত্ব পালন করতেন জিয়াউর রহমান। বঙ্গবন্ধুকে স্যার স্যার বলে মুখে ফেনা তুলে ফেলতেন তত্কালীন সেনাবাহিনীর এই উপপ্রধান।
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[mukto-mona] Fw: [KHABOR] নরেন্দ্র মোদী খালেদাকে তিনটি প্রশ্ন করেছিলেন......





On Monday, June 15, 2015 7:21 AM, "Gonojagoron Moncho projonmochottar@gmail.com [khabor]" <khabor@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
"নরেন্দ্র মোদী খালেদাকে তিনটি প্রশ্ন করেছিলেন, ভারতের রাষ্ট্রপতি প্রণব মুখার্জির সঙ্গে সাক্ষাৎ কেন বানচাল করা হল, সেদিন কাদের হরতাল ছিল। বেগম জিয়া বলেছেন, জোট যৌথভাবে হরতাল ডেকেছিল।
"চট্টগ্রাম বন্দরে অবৈধভাবে অস্ত্র খালাস করে ভারতীয় বিচ্ছিন্নতাবাদীদের দেওয়ার যে আয়োজন হয়েছে, সেখানে আপনার ক্যাবিনেটের গুরুত্বপূর্ণ সদস্য সরাসরি জড়িত ছিল। খালেদা এর জবাব দিতে পারেননি।"
"তৃতীয় প্রশ্ন ছিল, বর্ধমানে বিস্ফোরণে আপনার জোটসঙ্গীর জড়িত থাকার কথা যৌথ তদন্তে উঠে এসেছে। খালেদা জিয়া কোনো জবাব দিতে পারেননি।"
নরেন্দ্র মোদীর সফরে গত ৭ জুন বৈঠকে কী আলোচনা হয়েছে, সে বিষয়ে এখনও মুখ খোলেননি বিএনপি চেয়ারপারসন। তিনি শুধু বলেছেন, 'ফলপ্রসূ' আলোচনা হয়েছে।  
তবে ওই বৈঠকের আলোচনা নিয়ে ভারতের বিভিন্ন সংবাদপত্রের প্রতিবেদন উদ্ধৃত করে বলা যায়, "মোদীর সঙ্গে দেখা করে খালেদা বাংলাদেশে গণতন্ত্র নেই বলে নালিশ করেছেন।




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Re: [mukto-mona] India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists



Legacy didn't begin with the rise of Islam. Sind and large parts of the Punjab were under Persia. So was Baluchistan. North and South India were never united. Aryans in India were invaders too. India was more Balkanized than even the Balkans. Were they united, their history would be different.

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On Jun 16, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The deadly legacy did not begin in 1947 in the Indian subcontinent. It began in the 7th century Arabia.
 
Look, if it were just the 1947 India, neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan would have had Islam in the business of the state. If these two countries were respectful of the non-Muslims of the land, today they would be competing friendly with India on secular humanism, justice, peace, science, technology, and prosperity. Blaming it all on 1947, the British rulers, etc. is really diverting the reality of the last 65 years. (Assume the first 3 years to be the unavoidable turbulent time after the partition).
 
I would not be surprised if Nisid Hajari is paid by the pan-Islamic powers/interest groups.
SuBain
 
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On Monday, June 15, 2015 6:42 PM, "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists To This Day

June 09, 2015 1:49 PM ET
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947. i
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947.
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On how Muslims felt alienated from the independence movement



Part of [Gandhi's] genius was he was able to broaden out the appeal of the independence movement, which, until that movement, had been restricted to fairly wealthy lawyers and landowners and so on, who would debate things like percentages in these legislatures ... but he broadened it out to the masses. But the way he did it was by using Hindu iconography and stories, mythology, every evening he would have a prayer meeting where they would chant Hindu hymns but also read from the Quran and so forth. He was personally very unprejudiced about this, but his natural background was Hindu and his audience was almost entirely Hindu and he appealed to them in the language that they understood. But for Muslims, ordinary Muslims, who would see this and listen to these speeches and so forth, he seemed like a Hindu figure more than a national figure — not all Muslims, of course, but a great many of them.


http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/indias-1947-partition-and-the-deadly-legacy-that-persists-to-this-day






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Re: [mukto-mona] Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign



Tim Hunt deserved what he got.

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On Jun 15, 2015, at 2:34 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Human beings have become intolerant and extremely over-sensitive. Muslims get offended at the slightest criticism of Islam or even mention of the prophet; women feel insulted even if men praise them; Blacks get upset if a non-white man asks about the performance of a Black player; Jews consider ant-Semitic at the mere mention of Jews in world affairs. The world has gone bonkers.

- AR  



On Monday, 15 June 2015, 0:17, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
This is an example of political correctness run amok. The intent of the statement below, by Dr. Hunt, was to induce some humor in the speech; every speaker tries to do that to introduce lightness in the talk.
Who will truly believe in the literal meaning of this statement? Even his women colleagues and students did not understand the seriousness, given to the statement.
Political correctness is killing humor from mankind. People have become ultra-sensitive about everything.
On last Friday, I was listening to the radio on my way back home from office. The topic was multi-culturalism. The caller was saying that he attended a sensitivity training program in his job, and the trainer was giving some examples of insensitive statements. One of the statements was that – a white cannot ask a black – what's the score in the last night's Basketball game? This is now a racially charged statement.
I noticed – most males (Black or White) only talk about games in their leisure time; how else they will communicate and mingle.
Jiten Roy
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Nobel Prize-winning scientist says he was forced to resign

Associated Press
By GREGORY KATZ 6 hours ago
FILE - A Monday Oct. 8, 2001 photo from files of Dr. Tim Hunt, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine, in a laboratory in London. The Nobel Prize-winning British scientist has apologized Wednesday, June 10, 2015, for saying the "trouble with girls" working in science labs is that it leads to romantic entanglements and harms science. Tim Hunt made the comments at the World Conference of Science Journalists in South Korea, according to audience members. (AP Photo/Alastair Grant, File)
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FILE - A Monday Oct. 8, 2001 photo from files of Dr. Tim Hunt, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine, in a laboratory in London. The Nobel Prize-winning British scientist has apologized Wednesday, June 10, 2015, for saying the "trouble with girls" working in science labs is that it leads to romantic entanglements and harms science. Tim Hunt made the comments at the World Conference of Science Journalists in South Korea, according to audience members. (AP Photo/Alastair Grant, File)
LONDON (AP) — A week ago, Tim Hunt was a well-known Nobel Prize winner who was promoting science education throughout Europe and the world.
Today he's widely perceived as a sexist who has been stripped of most of his positions because of inappropriate comments about women in science.
Gone is his position with the European Research Council science committee, his role at the Royal Society, and his honorary post at University College London. He said Sunday he was fired from the latter, while the university has said only that his resignation was accepted.
Hunt's fall followed a speech Tuesday at the World Conference of Science Journalists in South Korea in which he said that girls cause trouble in labs because "you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticize them, they cry."
The comments caused an instant Twitter storm that quickly led to Hunt, 72, leaving his posts even as he apologized. He has said he had been trying to make a joke, but nevertheless stood by his comment that love affairs in the lab are disruptive to science.
He was vilified by many, including The Guardian's Anne Perkins, who wrote that his comments were "the educated man's version" of blaming rape victims because they were wearing short skirts before they were attacked.
Hunt, 72, laments that his cherished career is finished — and some prominent women scientists who thought his remarks were deeply offensive said Sunday the punishment may be too harsh.
Athene Donald, a leading physicist who is master of Churchill College at Cambridge University, said Hunt always enthusiastically supported her work when she served for five years as Gender Equality Champion at the university.
"I've spent a lot of time with him and I've never seen any sign of sexism," she told The Associated Press. "He has traveled the world since he got the Nobel Prize, talking to young audiences, male and female, giving so generously, and now he has been ruined."
Hunt won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2001 and later was made a knight.
Donald said his comments were "indefensible" but there have been no cases of women coming forward to say they were poorly treated by Hunt, or discriminated against in any way.
Ottoline Leyser, a former student of Hunt's who now directs the Sainsbury Laboratory at the University of Cambridge, said she was upset that Hunt's offensive comments could have a negative impact on young women considering a career in science but that his record is otherwise unblemished.
"All my interactions with him were very positive," she told the AP. "He was a very enthusiastic and inspirational teacher. I've no indications from my experience or from colleagues that he's in the slightest way sexist."
She said the speed with which news of his comments spread via social media has reinforced for many scientists the dangers of speaking to the press or to the public.
"We're all of us terrified," she said. "In this media age, when sound bites spread so quickly, an off-the-cuff remark after a lunch in some conference can suddenly result in the fatal destruction of your career."
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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Mark Zuckerberg wants everyone to read 'The Muqaddimah' : which contradicts the Quran completely



Goddesses weren't earthly except Luxmi.

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On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

In Mahabharat, the epic Indian mythology, Gods represent kings of various planets, who used to visit earth from there. Goddesses (Ganga, Saraswati, Durga, Lakhmi, etc.), on the other hand, represent earthly objects. 
Brahmah, Bishnu and Shib are the Trinity in Mahabharat, similar to the Trinity of the Greek and the Biblical mythologies.
Jiten Roy 

 

From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Mark Zuckerberg wants everyone to read 'The Muqaddimah' : which contradicts the Quran completely

 
I am a member of the Biblical Archaeological Library. In one of the recently published articles it showed how Sun God was central in their concept of monotheism. Defining a star as a mass of gas that releases more heat than it absorbs, the solar system has two more stars, viz., Jupiter and Saturn. Now compare with Greek and Indian mythology, you find a trinity of Gods. The inhabitants on earth might have witnessed them competing for supremacy in the heaven.

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On Jun 15, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We don't know which other parts of the universe, except earth, the need for God is felt. We know for sure, God is much needed on earth, and existence of earth and its content depends on Mother Nature, which won't exist without sun; sun is the sole caretaker of the Mother Nature. So, sun is the prime candidate for God. Many parts of the world sun is already worshipped as God.
Ancient Egyptians used to worship Ra, the Sun God, Greeks worship Helios, Native Americans worship Sun, Persians (Mithraism) worship Sun. The legend of Mithra may well have given birth to the Christian resurrection story. Many South East Asian religions, treat Sun as God.
Sun is almighty and omnipresent on all of us, and it fits the description of God, we know. I don't think anybody, including scientists, would have any trouble accepting Sun as the God. What do you think?
Jiten Roy

 

  
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:16 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Religion is based on the idea of a geocentric universe. It is also inherently patriarchal. Mother Nature needs a father God to be functional. No atheist denies the existence of the universe. Since Akhenaten the idea of God was based on Sun. With its appearance on the horizon, all luminaries lost their glory in heaven. It was also related with fertility of the soil. Thus priesthood grew among people having rudimentary knowledge of science. A branch of them became mortuaries creating the concept of afterlife. Rulers found it useful. Deprived mass could be kept calm with the carrot of reward in heaven.

Great scientific discoveries often were serendipitous. Many inventors didn't even believe in what they invented. Max Planck, for example, survived about four decades after his invention of Quantum Mechanics. Not for a day, he believed in it. Brian Josephson ended up in research on ghosts. Newton succumbed to Arian heresy. Obviously, even great scientists were not quite open minded.

Assassins grow not out of innocent people. They grow out of ignorance, desire for rewards here and afterlife. Blake defined innocents as those having knowledge and ignorants as those lacking it.

Arab conquerors encouraged science and philosophy for a few centuries. But after the Baghdad massacre the tendency became opposite. Anyone in doubt may read Bernard Lewis and P. K. Hitti and other authors of Islamic history.

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On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
You are right – the ultimate determinant of truth will be the science. Religion, on the other hand, is a hypothesis that can never be verified, but, there is no dearth of people to have complete faith in it.
Human beings are normally critical of everything due to natural survival instincts, but – brainwashing can change all that. Correct brainwashing can destroy peoples' mental faculty for criticism, no matter how harmful the effect of it is. Thus, assassins are manufactured out of the most innocent people in the society.
Jiten Roy
 

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To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: {PFC-Friends} Mark Zuckerberg wants everyone to read 'The Muqaddimah' : which contradicts the Quran completely

 
Agree! How would an objective mind have two contradictory positions simultaneously? Science can't be polluted with the idea like... God has all the answers. It does not and it never had!   
 




On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:24 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Belief in science keeps the door open to criticism and review while belief in religion closes it. Nobody can be a believer in both.

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On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:43 AM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This shows you really did not understand my post. If I say – Man is stronger than woman, you will perhaps show me some women wrestlers to prove that not all men are stronger than women.

You said: "One can simultaneously be strong believers in both science and religion."

You cannot selectively believe in science. That's a total nonsense. When someone disbelief science because it contradicts religious belief, he/she is only pretending to believe in science.

Jiten Roy


 

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Re: [mukto-mona] India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists



The deadly legacy did not begin in 1947 in the Indian subcontinent. It began in the 7th century Arabia.
 
Look, if it were just the 1947 India, neither Bangladesh nor Pakistan would have had Islam in the business of the state. If these two countries were respectful of the non-Muslims of the land, today they would be competing friendly with India on secular humanism, justice, peace, science, technology, and prosperity. Blaming it all on 1947, the British rulers, etc. is really diverting the reality of the last 65 years. (Assume the first 3 years to be the unavoidable turbulent time after the partition).
 
I would not be surprised if Nisid Hajari is paid by the pan-Islamic powers/interest groups.
SuBain
 
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On Monday, June 15, 2015 6:42 PM, "Farida Majid farida_majid@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

India's 1947 Partition And The 'Deadly Legacy' That Persists To This Day

June 09, 2015 1:49 PM ET
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947. i
British Maj. T.J. Monaghan (left) and Pvt. H. Farabrother of the Inniskilling Regiment of Northern Ireland, walk through wreckage after riots destroyed parts of the Punjab suburb of Amritsar, India, in March 1947.
AP

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On how Muslims felt alienated from the independence movement



Part of [Gandhi's] genius was he was able to broaden out the appeal of the independence movement, which, until that movement, had been restricted to fairly wealthy lawyers and landowners and so on, who would debate things like percentages in these legislatures ... but he broadened it out to the masses. But the way he did it was by using Hindu iconography and stories, mythology, every evening he would have a prayer meeting where they would chant Hindu hymns but also read from the Quran and so forth. He was personally very unprejudiced about this, but his natural background was Hindu and his audience was almost entirely Hindu and he appealed to them in the language that they understood. But for Muslims, ordinary Muslims, who would see this and listen to these speeches and so forth, he seemed like a Hindu figure more than a national figure — not all Muslims, of course, but a great many of them.


http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/indias-1947-partition-and-the-deadly-legacy-that-persists-to-this-day






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