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Sunday, April 5, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] On Mowlana Bhasani again



Thanks. I am really surprised that Tariq Ali has written all this in his book.  To Tariq Ali Bhasani was a peasant leader. He used to value his opinion. He traveled throughout the then East Pakistan with Bhasani for more than a fortnight. Any way I will read the book and revert to this topic. 

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have told you that before. Bhasani the late octogenarian wanted Young Tariq Ali as his secretary. The later found out the former an ignoramus on international affairs and incommunicable person as he did not know any international language or even Arabic. Bhasani acquired his name by slaughtering an ox in a river island named Bhasan in Brahmaputra. He was made President of Assam Muslim League by the Ispahani clique. His movement in East Bengal was organized against Hindu landlords, but in support of Muslim ones. His political movement was always geared to subvert the real nationalistic motion by the people. He had no grassroot organization. Those trying to eulogize him are making fiction. He was a Chinese agent in the subcontinental politics. One doesn't need to be much of a political analyst to comprehend it.

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have to collect the book and then read. Why don't you help us by saying exactly what Tariq Ali said on Bhasani? 

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On Apr 4, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Read "Clash of Fundamentalisms" by him thoroughly.

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On Apr 4, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have read some of Tariq Ali's writings. He has emphatically recognized Bhasani's contribution. I don't know where he has done otherwise. Can some one please share on this with us? 
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On Apr 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This fiction published by the Bhasani Foundation, is partially available on the net. It is written by a bunch of reactionaries. To get a better idea on him, one may read "Clash of Cultures" by Tariq Ali.

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On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:45 PM, 'Sankar Kumar Ray' sankarray62@rediffmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have heard about a collection of articles on   Mowlana Bhasani, from New York.in 2012

Moulana Bhashani. Leader of the Toiling Masses:Anthology on Bangladesh's legendary Sufi sage and firebrand politician ( ed Peter Custers), but looking at the contents, it seems to be an anthology in praising Bhashani.

The publisher's note states,"A true humanist of his time, for most of his adult life, Moulana Bhashani was a Sufi Pir (sage) as well as a political leader. A Sufi Pir, he preached - and practiced - religious tolerance and egalitarianism. A secular politician, he fought for social justice, inclusion and democratic rights.Moulana Bhashani viewed society through a class lens - the oppressed and the oppressors - regardless of their religion, caste or ethnicity. With rising religious intolerance and socio-economic inequities, the world is sorely in need of a principled leader the likes of Moulana Bhashani.

This volume traces the many facets of Moulana Bhashani's political career and religious philosophies, with contributions by leading researchers, political followers and journalists familiar with his life. In addition to discovering the extraordinary life of the Moulana, the authors also provide an excellent exposition of the socio-economic and political situations of Assam, Bengal and East Pakistan, as well as of Bangladesh during the first few years of its independence."

Contents:

Introduction: The World needs the likes of Moulana Bhashani (by Anisuzzaman Chowdhury)

 

Searching for Bhashani: The man and his religio-political philosophies (by Abid Bahar

 

Bhashani's ever-oppositional democratic spirit (by Nurul Kabir)

 

Moulana Bhashani: Historical and contemporary significance (by Peter Custers)

 

Moulana Bhashani: A prophet of equality and peace (by Md. Mahbub ul Alam)

 

Moulana Bhashani: An ideal for a politician (by M. Inamul Haque)

 

Moulana Bhashani's resistence against the infamous Line System and 'Bangal Khedao' movement in Assam (by M. Waheeduzzaman Manik)

 

A missing dream of Moulana Bhashani (by Moinuddin Naser)

 

Moulana Bhashani's opposition politics: Style defining substance (by Abid Bahar)

 

Memoirs: As we saw the Great Leader (by Fazle Lohani, Kazi Zafar Ahmed, Haider Akbar Khan Rano, Ariqur Rahman Khan Eusufzai, Jasim Uddin Ahmad, Enamul Hoque, Syed Ziaur Rahman, Kamal Lohani and Mohammmad Hossain Khan)

 

 



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Re: [mukto-mona] Where has all the tolerance gone



As always your observation is superficial. Maqbul Fida Hussain, not FMH, painted Saraswati nude and made Sita fly in sky with the tail of Hanuman between her legs. If he dared to play with Muslim sentiment the same way, he would be chopped alive. Don't you think so, my dear Mawlana?

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks. 

Let me make a correction. The holy mythological figure is Sita, not Saraswati. That was a typo. FMH painted Sita riding Rama devotee hanuman. Many hindutvabadis saw this as an insult to Hindus many of whom want their women to follow the ideals of Sita and Sabitri. 

Unfortunately many so called muktomonas maintain double standard on the point of allowing freedom of expression. 

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:41 AM, balakrishnan k t kannurbalukt@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

very informative



On Saturday, 28 March 2015 7:34 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
1. It is now clear that Mr. Mahfuzur Rahman's article has been thought provoking. Personally I have enjoyed the article. 

2. On the interior walls of a school one of my sons went to was written a slogan: Ours is a school of zero tolerance. No one should have any objection to such a slogan. The principle of zero tolerance should be applied whenever it comes to violations of rules, regulations and laws. Obviously appropriate authorities should enforce these. 

3. The spirits of Mr. Rahman's article do not apply to this kind of zero tolerance. It is about freedom of expression which should enjoy virtually infinite tolerance. Looks like this tolerance has been gradually running away from our society. 

4. The attack was on Daud Haider in early seventies. Then Taslima Nasrin became the victim. About a decade ago was attacked Humayun Azad. Recently we have seen two killings let alone innumerable death threats. The data point to the validity of Mr. Rahman's conjecture. The trend is there. 

5. How much one will tolerate is subjective. The cartoon of the prophet of Islam by a Christian cartoonist will not be tolerated by some and will be approved by others. The same argument applies to the paintings of Hindu goddess Saraswati and holy mythological figure Saraswati by a Muslim painter. 

6. I am not bringing up issues like gay rights and abortion as these are not related to freedom of expression. But I can bet even the Muktomonas will be divided on these issues. We see them as legal, moral and ethical issues. Moral and ethical judgments are subjective. 


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On Mar 25, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I am not clear as to what you are saying.




On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:47 PM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 
"Intolerance, when done right [emphasis mine], is needed." What a brilliant idea! I am dazzled. It is only that I am flabbergasted too. Perhaps this is one of the ways brilliant minds sidetrack issues. 
 
Mahfuzur Rahman 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Where has all the tolerance gone

 
Actually, it is a much bigger and more intractable problem than intolerance. The problem is lack of education, lack of development of human minds. When I say education, I mean ability of reasoning, not academic degrees. In fact, when the mind is a zombie that follows instructions from religious books, the human common sense and intelligence are gone, the ability to think is nowhere to be found; and nothing can be on the way of following the imaginary God's words. Barbaric intolerance is only a corollary to that bondage of human minds.
 
I do not think it is appropriate for anyone to think that they tolerated humanists like Dr. Avijit Roy. Rational thoughts are for learning from, for developing human minds. We tolerate faults that are not very harmful; and humanism is not a fault by any means. It is for all kinds of humans, including the Muslims, to live in a just and peaceful world.
 
In fact, intolerance, when done right, is needed. For example I am fine with any force that would be totally intolerant of the bribe culture in places like Bangladesh.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Monday, March 23, 2015 6:07 PM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
My apologies to you all. Here is (I hope) the correct link to the article in The Daily Star, March 16, 2015.
 
 
 
                                         http://www.thedailystar.net/op-ed/politics/where-has-the-tolerance-gone-71746
 
 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Where has all the tolerance gone



I do not care who the painter/cartoonist is; I do not see any good purpose in painting/drawing distasteful physical appearances of religious icons. Criticizing their rubbish and hateful messages has the purpose of removing nonsense and hatred from human societies; painting/drawing them nude, for example, could cause only provocations with no positive outcome.



On Sunday, April 5, 2015 4:26 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Thanks. 

Let me make a correction. The holy mythological figure is Sita, not Saraswati. That was a typo. FMH painted Sita riding Rama devotee hanuman. Many hindutvabadis saw this as an insult to Hindus many of whom want their women to follow the ideals of Sita and Sabitri. 

Unfortunately many so called muktomonas maintain double standard on the point of allowing freedom of expression. 

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:41 AM, balakrishnan k t kannurbalukt@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
very informative



On Saturday, 28 March 2015 7:34 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
1. It is now clear that Mr. Mahfuzur Rahman's article has been thought provoking. Personally I have enjoyed the article. 

2. On the interior walls of a school one of my sons went to was written a slogan: Ours is a school of zero tolerance. No one should have any objection to such a slogan. The principle of zero tolerance should be applied whenever it comes to violations of rules, regulations and laws. Obviously appropriate authorities should enforce these. 

3. The spirits of Mr. Rahman's article do not apply to this kind of zero tolerance. It is about freedom of expression which should enjoy virtually infinite tolerance. Looks like this tolerance has been gradually running away from our society. 

4. The attack was on Daud Haider in early seventies. Then Taslima Nasrin became the victim. About a decade ago was attacked Humayun Azad. Recently we have seen two killings let alone innumerable death threats. The data point to the validity of Mr. Rahman's conjecture. The trend is there. 

5. How much one will tolerate is subjective. The cartoon of the prophet of Islam by a Christian cartoonist will not be tolerated by some and will be approved by others. The same argument applies to the paintings of Hindu goddess Saraswati and holy mythological figure Saraswati by a Muslim painter. 

6. I am not bringing up issues like gay rights and abortion as these are not related to freedom of expression. But I can bet even the Muktomonas will be divided on these issues. We see them as legal, moral and ethical issues. Moral and ethical judgments are subjective. 


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On Mar 25, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I am not clear as to what you are saying.




On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:47 PM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
 
"Intolerance, when done right [emphasis mine], is needed." What a brilliant idea! I am dazzled. It is only that I am flabbergasted too. Perhaps this is one of the ways brilliant minds sidetrack issues. 
 
Mahfuzur Rahman 
 
 
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To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 24, 2015 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Where has all the tolerance gone

 
Actually, it is a much bigger and more intractable problem than intolerance. The problem is lack of education, lack of development of human minds. When I say education, I mean ability of reasoning, not academic degrees. In fact, when the mind is a zombie that follows instructions from religious books, the human common sense and intelligence are gone, the ability to think is nowhere to be found; and nothing can be on the way of following the imaginary God's words. Barbaric intolerance is only a corollary to that bondage of human minds.
 
I do not think it is appropriate for anyone to think that they tolerated humanists like Dr. Avijit Roy. Rational thoughts are for learning from, for developing human minds. We tolerate faults that are not very harmful; and humanism is not a fault by any means. It is for all kinds of humans, including the Muslims, to live in a just and peaceful world.
 
In fact, intolerance, when done right, is needed. For example I am fine with any force that would be totally intolerant of the bribe culture in places like Bangladesh.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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On Monday, March 23, 2015 6:07 PM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
My apologies to you all. Here is (I hope) the correct link to the article in The Daily Star, March 16, 2015.
 
 
 
                                         http://www.thedailystar.net/op-ed/politics/where-has-the-tolerance-gone-71746
 
 
Mahfuzur Rahman










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Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Can Avijit's killers be nabbed finally?



I feel like we should stop talking about Bangladesh. I see the country going backward and there is no force to stop that. My advice to the non-Muslims and to the sane Muslims that have no choice but staying there, "you are in a jungle; please try to survive playing as smart as you can."
 


On Sunday, April 5, 2015 4:24 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Once I mentioned visible alliance between BNP and JI. I also pointed to the invisible alliance between AL and Islamist parties. One news item in today's bdnews24.com has bolstered my belief. One pro-AL Islamist party has demanded for death penalty for the 'atheists'. They have demanded to repeal law that imposes minimum age for a girl's marriage. They want dance, songs, dramas, etc. to be stopped. They believe that in a country with 90% Muslim population there is a conspiracy to Hinduize the Bengali culture. Many top AL leaders have been found in the past to join their rally against BNP-JI hartal and seize. 

As a strategic alliance this is probably OK. Hopefully AL will not be sold out to the extent that it will put the spirits of the great independence war to a great risk. 

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Shah DeEldar shahdeeldar@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Religious fanaticism is not an unique product of Bangladesh. It has gone global and by being in denial is not going to help anybody whether you reside in Bangladesh, Middle-East, Europe or US. The monster is there and if you think that Bangladeshi government is the beneficiary of these ugly killings, you must be dreaming about a conspiracy theory? I simply do not believe it. Bangladeshi government is bad but not bad enough to conspire to kill its own freethinkers. The motive is not strong enough like the brainwashing treatments that people getting from their religious masters.


On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 2:55 AM, mk haque <mk_haque@yahoo.com> wrote:
Police Team standing within 30 feet of killing episode,
did not move to prevent the killing or capture the killers - 
is good enough to get your answer.  Besides,who is the 
benificeary ? - one who wanted international attention 
about 'fanatic terrorism' in Bangladesh and on that 
basis 'strong legitimacy' to rule ruthlessly.  Pl don't
forget, this police is smart in putting people in jail
even for dreaming demonstration against govt. 



On Saturday, April 4, 2015 8:27 PM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:


Great news! The mofos are about to be caught unless they flee to infidel country like India for shelter. Hang 'Em high!

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Shah DeEldar <shahdeeldar@gmail.com> wrote:
It is about time to get these cannibals behind the bars before they go for another easy and brave victim.

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