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Friday, March 30, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh



I support Mr. Q. A. Rahman's observation here.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:44 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
 

I may not be the smartest in this group but I am aware of the issues.

I was only making a point to everyone.

It is my observation that, there are NO "Fundamental" differences between our major political parties. The oppression not only effect Hindus, it also effects most people in our country. Greed ( In Islam they call it "The love of this duniya") is the reason why some well known respected people act irresponsibly and cause suffering.

I am glad member Bain got a lot of evidence to support the point I was trying to make.

So why blame one party for all the minority related problems??? 


Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 5:52 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh

 

Dr. Bain,
You overlooked the most recent Hazarihat, Chittagong, incident only about a month or so back, where Jamati/BNP cadres desecrated Loknath Temple, ransacked and burned Hindu business and properties for 48 hours of carnage, and the police, under the Awami League government, remained bystander during these atrocities. When Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity council President from Chittagong asked for police protection, the Police Superintendent informed him that – they have no ammunitions and resources to protect Hindus.  
I have circulated all newspaper reports, and YouTube videos of the incidence in this forum, yet Mr. Q. Rahman asked me to show evidence of atrocities on minority communities in Bangladesh, meaning he had no recollection of such a recent incidence also. As a result, I did not reply to him thinking that it will be a waste of time. Evidence of minority persecution in Bangladesh is so obvious that no one should need further evidence. Every day Hindus are leaving Bangladesh for India due to persecution, and most of those people became destitute in India.
Jiten Roy
--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 6:01 PM

 
I generally do not like to ask direct questions in the second person in the public forum. But let me make an exception here. Were you asleep over the last 3-4 decades, Mr. Q. A. Rahman?
 
The governments in Bangladesh have not only failed to protect minorities; on many occasions, they have committed and supported criminal acts against non-Muslims in Bangladesh. Barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims have been going on with impunity in Bangladesh practically over the entire lifetime of the country so far. For the average soft-sellers of hatred against non-Muslims, Amnesty International reports on Bangladesh should be an acceptable source on how the country has been doing in terms protecting the religious minorities, including the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Ahmedias and the Christians. Please browse through the pages. Here are only a few examples.
 
 
In 1992, the democratically elected parliament of Bangladesh, via majority vote in a resolution, praised the countrymen for not being too hateful against religious minorities of the country, while the facts were that thousands of temples had been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of minorities had become homeless due to arson and looting, among other atrocities.
 
In 1996, Bangladesh police committed atrocities against non-Muslim students at Jagannath Hall of Dhaka University. Among other things, they wanted to teach the infidels that it was not good to eat during day-time during the month of Ramadan in a 'Muslim country'.
 
In 1996, a Chakma woman was abducted by Bangladesh military, and her whereabouts are not known even today.
 
 
 
Again these are only a few examples. While I read many more and heard about many more from phone conversations with relatives and friends, I am not a repository of news from Bangladesh; nor could I spend enough time to be a human/minority rights activist.
 
Let me stop wasting more of my time here, and end for now with another comment/question for Mr. Rahman. You seem to be a Muslim who cares about the rights of the non-Muslims of Bangladesh. If you sound like you do not know about the barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims in Bangladesh, what could be expected from the average hateful Muslim fanatic of Bangladesh?
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See!--Just click the link
 
Let me understand this folks. Are you saying OUR government failed to protect minorities of Bangladesh? Really? Could you supply more information? Where and what happened? Thank you.

Shalom!

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-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:23 am Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See!--Just click the link
 
YouTube video of a recent demonstration in front of the UN building in New York to protest against the oppression of religious minority in Bangladesh. It was forwarded to me by Mr. Shitangshu Guha.
Please click on the link below to watch the video.
 
Jiten Roy
 
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--- On Sat, 3/24/12, BHBCUC USA <unitycouncilusa@gmail.com> wrote:

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Subject: A Must See!--Just click the link
To: "BHBCUC USA" <unitycouncilusa@gmail.com>, "BHBCUC Europe" <europebhbcuc@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 4:01 PM

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Re: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh danc e ) --why this now?



Indian culture is not monolithic. I was talking about the so called Bollywood or Hollywood culture. Neither of the two is good for a healthy cultural environment of Bangladesh. But again, we cannot be too conservative. Bengali culture has to be dynamic. Bangladesh and West Bengal should work cooperatively for the benfit of both the Bengals. Neither of the two should consider each other as invasive. Both the sides should be open, but unfortunately they are not yet there. 
 I am not sure if you are interested in implementing the pre-1971 Pakistani policy with regard to cultural exchanges with India. For example, are you interested in Rabindra-borjon? Are you talking about completely sealing the cultural border? I know certain quarters are looking for excuses to boycot Rabindranath. They are advocating for changing the national anthem. They are trying to prove that Rabindranath was against Bengali muslims. He was against the idea of establishing a university in Dhaka. One famous poet in one of his young-life poems complained like this: thakurer put tomar niber dogay ekbaro nobir nam ase nai. Two writers (one Hindu and one muslim named MMR Jalal who also happens to be my close friend) in a series of articles have been trying to refute the wrong ideas about Rabindranath. With solid references they have shown that at least in three occassions Rabindranath praised Muhammed and in one occassion called him a maha-rishi.  
We need a healthy Bengali culture, not one like the Taliban's.  

From: Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; subimal@yahoo.com; jnrsr53@yahoo.com; jnrsr53@yahoo.com; aanis06@yahoo.com; ovimot@yahoogroups.com; nazrulic@gmail.com
Cc: captchowdhury@yahoo.ca; farida_majid@hotmail.com; farahmina@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh danc e ) --why this now?

Indian cultural invasion to Bangladesh is temporary and won't have a place in Bangladesh forever. Such Nacho Bangladesh Nacho
culture can't survive in mainly muslim dominated Bangladeshi society. You see India never allow Bangla TV stelite channels to
be brodcasted in West Bengal to protect their  own culture. They also  fear invasion from Bangladesh.Bangladesh's culture is different than India.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:28:35 -0700 (PDT)

 
Pretty scary. A future Bangladesh to be ruled by people like Mr. Hannan and Mr. Anwar will be a nightmare. The progress that Bangladesh has made in the cultural front is exemplary. Even many in West Bengal sincerely believe that Bangladesh will be the last refuge of Bengali culture and language. They are concerned that Bollywood culture may gradually eclipse the true spirits of Bengali culture. Bangladesh also needs to worry about the same threat.
Looks like all the pogress made so far and the future prospect as well will go down the drain in the hands of this anti-culture group.
I met a youngman from Bangladesh about 15 years ago. He was here for a graduate degree. His father was a teacher in a Saudi university. This young man was a nice person. He believed that female roles in dramas or films should played by males.    
 
 
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To:
Cc: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com; aanis06@yahoo.com; alapon@yahoogroups.com; nabic@yahoogroups.com; syed.aslam3@gmail.com; dr.dipumoni@gmail.com; nurannabi@gmail.com; fatemolla hasanMahmud <hasan.mahmud@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?

 
       Moral preachings are done as if the Preachers are authorized by none other than Allah. Behind their loud preachings we only have to look at their "Islamic" practices -- encouragement of fatwa-zari for all kinds of mental and physical cruelties to women in the villages, systematic stalking and eve-teasing of school-going girls, organized acid throwing, organizing forcible hijabization of women nationwide, and in incidents of rape, blaming the victim for her "moral deprivation" rather than blaming the rapist for the crime. In fact, rape, used extensively as a war-weapon by the Jehadist razakars helping the Pak aggressors in 1971, is upheld as an "Islamic" culture.

        These Bangladeshi Islamists have certain specialties of "Islamic" culture that are not noted elsewhere in the Muslim world. They will scream at you for being anti-Islamic if you do not pledge uncritical support for the atrocities against humanity and Genocide in 1971.  You must also support the gruesome assassinations of political leaders including the President of the nation in 1975, otherwise you will be branded un-Islamic. Progressive-minded intellectuals who wanted to protest the insult to Islam (by depicting the obscene excesses of "Islam-lovers" in the name of religion) have been attacked by the Islamic culture-loving assassins. THAT is supposed to be "Islamic" culture. If you do not hurl insult at the President, Prime Minister, and the Cabinet of the elected Govt. and the current administation of your country on a regular basis in the most uncivilized, lewd language imaginable, you are to be blasted as an anti-Islamic person. If you want secularism in your constitution are branded as an enemy of Islam.

               It is no wonder that the Pakistani politicians and intellectuals are realizing that so many of the wanton murders, cruelties and misogynist crimes in Pakistan would not have been committed if only the 1971 War Criminals were tried and punished for crimes against humanity in the name of Islam.

              Farida Majid

 
 
From: nazrulic@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:07:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [Dahuk]: FW: " Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?
To: mohiuddin@netzero.net
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Even today, you will see candle torching culture at Dhaka in Bangladesh. Does it fall in Islamic culture? Even in BD TV, you will see singing following/copying western songs. Those are destroying BD youth deviating from Islamic values. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

 
Mr. Abdul Hannan,
 
I agree with your comment.Those young girls who participationg in the  so called "Nacho Bangladesh Nacho" are violating Islamic
teaching. Their Parents should discourage them from participation. In Islam  gorls can't dance in Public, if they dance in front
of girls/women audience that may be accepted but in piublic it's not recommended.All non-islamic cultures destroying our
society. Now celibration of Valentine Day, Fathers Day ,Mothers Day became very popular in Bangladesh ,whicg\\h  went against Islaimc teaching.
In Islam everyday is Mothers day.
We muist discourage  our next generation from participating such culture.
May Allah guide those girls and their parents to his right patgh.
 
Sincerely,
M. Anwar

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "S A Hannan" <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
To: <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, <khabor@yahoogroups.com>, "'S A Hannan'" <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>, "'lutful bari'" <lutfulb2000@yahoo.com>, "'mkorim korim'" <mkorim_ipi@yahoo.com>, <alochona@yahoogroups.com>, <alapon@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Dahuk]: FW: " Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance )--why this now?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:06:35 +0600


 
 
 
 
From: S A Hannan [mailto:sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:05 PM
To: 'puspitadr@gmail.com'
Subject: " Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance )--why this now?
 
A television channel has organized a competition "Nacho Bangladesh nacho "(dance Bangladesh dance).In various districts this competition is being organized and final will be held in Dhaka.
 
Mostly young and youthful girls are participating in this. Why this is being done? Such girl dancing in public has never been a feature of Muslim culture any where in the Muslim world now or in the past. A few dancers here and there are not liked. I have no argument whether it is art or not but Islam has not permitted such show of bodies of youthful girls in public.
 
It has no benefit in this world or Akhirat.This is not essential for life. Some argue it is an exercise. There are better ways of exercise now. I ask you to think over it. Is it a new conspiracy to take us away from Islamic decency and morals?
 
Please write on this
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
 
 
 
 


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মুক্তিযোদ্ধা পরিষদের আলোচনা সভায় বক্তারা : ভারতের প্রেসক্রিপশনে যুদ্ধাপরাধের বিচারের নামে রাজনৈতিক স্বার্থ হাসিলের চেষ্টা চলছে

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জাতীয় মুক্তিযোদ্ধা পরিষদ আয়োজিত স্বাধীনতা দিবসের আলোচনা সভায় বক্তারা বলেছেন, বর্তমান শেখ হাসিনার সরকারকেও ভারতের বস্তা-ভর্তি টাকায় দেশি-বিদেশি চক্রান্তের মাধ্যমে ক্ষমতায় আনা হয়েছে। ক্ষমতায় গিয়ে তারা বিদেশিদের ঋণ শোধ করতে কাজ করছে। ভারতের প্রেসক্রিপশনে যুদ্ধাপরাধের নামে জাতীয় নেতাদের অন্যায়ভাবে গ্রেফতার করে বিচারের নামে রাজনৈতিক স্বার্থ হাসিলের চেষ্টা করছে। গতকাল রাজধানীর ফটোজার্নালিস্ট অ্যাসোসিয়েশন মিলনায়তনে সংগঠনের ঢাকা মহানগরী সভাপতি অ্যাডভোকেট মোহাম্মদ হান্নান হোসাইনের সভাপতিত্বে আলোচনা সভায় প্রধান অতিথির বক্তব্য রাখেন, জাগপা সভাপতি শফিউল আলম প্রধান। বিশেষ অতিথির বক্তব্য রাখেন, বিএনপির নির্বাহী পরিষদ সদস্য মুক্তিযোদ্ধা সংসদের সাবেক প্রতিষ্ঠাতা ভাইস চেয়ারম্যান ইসমাইল হোসেন বেঙ্গল, সাবেক এমপি ডা. সৈয়দ আবদুল্লাহ মোহাম্মদ তাহের, জাতীয় মুক্তিযোদ্ধা পরিষদের সভাপতি মুক্তিযোদ্ধা ইঞ্জিনিয়ার মোসলেম উদ্দিন। অন্যদের মধ্যে বক্তৃতা করেন সংগঠনের মহাসচিব মুক্তিযোদ্ধা মোহাম্মদ ইকবাল, মুক্তিযোদ্ধা ফজলুল হক, মুক্তিযোদ্ধা রুস্তম আলী, ইঞ্জিনিয়ার আবদুল খালেক, বোরহানুদ্দিন, আনোয়ার হোসেন মিয়া প্রমুখ।
শফিউল আলম প্রধান বলেন, যেভাবে মীর জাফরকে ক্ষমতায় বসানো হয়েছিল তেমনি ভারতের বস্তা-ভর্তি টাকায় শেখ হাসিনাকেও ক্ষমতায় বসানো হয়েছে। তিনি বলেন, শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান ১৯৫ জন পাকিস্তানী সেনা কর্মকর্তাকে যুদ্ধাপরাধী হিসেবে চিহ্নিত করলেন। আবার তিনিই ক্ষমা করে দিলেন। তেমনিভাবে জিয়াউর রহমানও শাহ আজিজুর রহমানের মতো লোককেও প্রধানমন্ত্রী বানিয়েছিলেন। কারণ শেখ মুজিব জিয়াউর রহমান জানতেন দেশ পরিচালনা করতে হলে জাতীয় ঐক্য দরকার। তারা বুঝতে পেরেছিলেন যুদ্ধ করে পাকিস্তানের কাছ থেকে স্বাধীন হলেও জাতীয় ঐক্য না থাকলে ভারতের কাছে আমাদের আবার বন্দি হতে হবে। যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচার প্রসঙ্গে তিনি বলেন, যারা যুদ্ধই করেননি তাদের আবার কিসের অপরাধ। জাতিকে মেধাশূন্য করতেই ভারতের প্রেসক্রিপশনে দেশপ্রেমিক জাতীয় নেতাদের বিচার করা হচ্ছে। বিচার বন্ধের আহ্বান জানিয়ে তিনি বলেন, যদি বিচার করতে হয় তাহলে আগে ১৯৫ জন পাকিস্তানী সেনা কর্মকর্তাকে ফিরিয়ে এনে বিচার করুন। যদি বিচার করতে হয় তাহলে যারা ওইসব চিহ্নিত যুদ্ধাপরাধীকে ছেড়ে দিয়েছেন তারাও যুদ্ধাপরাধকে সমর্থন করেছেন। এজন্য তাদেরও মরণোত্তর বিচার হতে পারে

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Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh



My experience is that religious hatred and harmony have been going on hand in hand in Bangladesh since long. Most of the time it is the vested interest groups who manufacture the communal conflicts. Bad politics plays a major role in this respect. During Pakistan period, any time the rulers felt the need for additional space and jobs for the muslims, they used to manufacture communal mayhem against Hindus. That worked well. After every major riot, Hindus left the country to take refuge in India. This is one of the major reasons why 30% has gone down to 10%. These major riots are in addition to the continual threats that weaker hindus feel or face from a handful of powerful and greedy muslims. This is very much felt in rural areas. I have seen affluent hindus moving to nearby towns for security. Almost every hindu family has its one leg in Bangladesh and other one in India (I remember, by saying this in New York several years ago, Sheikh Hasina hurt the feelings of many hindu leaders although she did not say any thing wrong.)   

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh
 
generally do not like to ask direct questions in the second person in the public forum. But let me make an exception here. Were you asleep over the last 3-4 decades, Mr. Q. A. Rahman?

>>>>>>> Member Bain, Maybe you read TOO much into a simple question. I ONLY asked the question. I am aware of many problems in Bangladesh and it is not limited to minorities only. Powerless, poor Muslims also face oppression by powerful and corrupted people. We talk about politics, religion and secularism a LOT in this forum. Most member work under an assumption that, the religion of Islam is the main problem for all crimes committed against minorities in BD. As far as I know there are NO strong evidence to support any theory that, more secular leaning parties done anything significant to help addressing concerns of minorities. I even know where some Hindu leaders involved for grabbing temple properties (Debottor Shompotti or land belongs to temple). The question was asked to prove a point. I think all unbiased and educated members of this forum are aware of problems in our country. However blaming religion behind is INACCURATE and misdirected. Even thousand years ago people were driven by greed, jealousy and other vices. Human beings are complex animal and putting simple label on them does NOT do justice.

If you sound like you do not know about the barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims in Bangladesh, what could be expected from the average hateful Muslim fanatic of Bangladesh?


>>>>>>>>> As a human being and a fellow Bangladeshi I care about all people who suffer in our country (Even outside the country). I did ask a question. That does NOT mean I deny the issue or support oppressing anyone. Maybe you read my question but assumed more than what was written. Please re-read my question again and hope it will be clear to you.

Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 5:11 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh
 
I generally do not like to ask direct questions in the second person in the public forum. But let me make an exception here. Were you asleep over the last 3-4 decades, Mr. Q. A. Rahman?
 
The governments in Bangladesh have not only failed to protect minorities; on many occasions, they have committed and supported criminal acts against non-Muslims in Bangladesh. Barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims have been going on with impunity in Bangladesh practically over the entire lifetime of the country so far. For the average soft-sellers of hatred against non-Muslims, Amnesty International reports on Bangladesh should be an acceptable source on how the country has been doing in terms protecting the religious minorities, including the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Ahmedias and the Christians. Please browse through the pages. Here are only a few examples.
 
 
In 1992, the democratically elected parliament of Bangladesh, via majority vote in a resolution, praised the countrymen for not being too hateful against religious minorities of the country, while the facts were that thousands of temples had been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of minorities had become homeless due to arson and looting, among other atrocities.
 
In 1996, Bangladesh police committed atrocities against non-Muslim students at Jagannath Hall of Dhaka University. Among other things, they wanted to teach the infidels that it was not good to eat during day-time during the month of Ramadan in a 'Muslim country'.
 
In 1996, a Chakma woman was abducted by Bangladesh military, and her whereabouts are not known even today.
 
 
 
Again these are only a few examples. While I read many more and heard about many more from phone conversations with relatives and friends, I am not a repository of news from Bangladesh; nor could I spend enough time to be a human/minority rights activist.
 
Let me stop wasting more of my time here, and end for now with another comment/question for Mr. Rahman. You seem to be a Muslim who cares about the rights of the non-Muslims of Bangladesh. If you sound like you do not know about the barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims in Bangladesh, what could be expected from the average hateful Muslim fanatic of Bangladesh?
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See!--Just click the link
 
Let me understand this folks. Are you saying OUR government failed to protect minorities of Bangladesh? Really? Could you supply more information? Where and what happened? Thank you.

Shalom!

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-----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:23 am Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See!--Just click the link
 
YouTube video of a recent demonstration in front of the UN building in New York to protest against the oppression of religious minority in Bangladesh. It was forwarded to me by Mr. Shitangshu Guha.
Please click on the link below to watch the video.
 
Jiten Roy
 
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Subject: A Must See!--Just click the link
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Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 4:01 PM

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Re: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?



1. You are right. Healthy debates at all levels should be encouraged. Bangladesh has a great cultural heritage and tradition. You are also right when you say that stopping dance performance or acting by women will not get any support at all. These can only be stopped by resorting to Taliban style enforcement. That is my concern.
2. The young man I have mentioned did not have any problem in taking food in an "infidel's" house. But he was against women's acting in dramas. His religiosity and moral values together might have contributed to such a mindset. I hope he has changed his attitude by this time. He may be about 40 now. 
3. It has been said that religion is used as an opium. Can you guarantee that the women who are now wearing hijab are not under the spell of opium in the form of religion? Please put yourself in their shoes. Think about the summer heat and the humidity. Think about one's desire to look like a woman with nice and stylish clothings. I am aware about the differences between burqa and hijab and the former is more demanding. 
4. As far as I know, burqa was a sign of aristocracy as veil was. It was true for all cultures and religions. Hindu women living in towns or cities hardy wear veil now-a-days.  
  

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?

 
In a "Free" country, people should be able to exchange different (Even difficult) ideas peacefully. As long we are not dealing with slander, distortion or hate mongering, we should be open to any new ideas. Non-violence should be promoted and different ideas should be welcomed.

Even within Bangladesh there are many "Sub-cultures". In different families, regions we observe different norms regardless of religious backgrounds. If a graduate student thinks women should not take part in drama, let him make his case (I do not think it will be easy or even accepted by main stream). When we try to force people into our own norms, we can expect tension. However when we are able to debate or discuss our ideas freely, it promotes understanding and compassion among all people of faith (Or even people without faith). 

Also culture and norms are not static. It is fluid. I was told by elders that, women of all faiths were much more restricted in the 50's in our country but today we have a women for our head of state. Despite being a Muslim majority country. Now we see more women with hijab in our country and thankfully (At least in Dhaka) they are not forced. They have taken the time to understand religion first hand and took it upon themselves to follow their faith completely. If you ask me, it is a progress (Much like Malaysia where everything goes).

Having respect for different and difficult ideas helps.

Shalom!


-----Original Message-----
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 5:12 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?

 
Pretty scary. A future Bangladesh to be ruled by people like Mr. Hannan and Mr. Anwar will be a nightmare. The progress that Bangladesh has made in the cultural front is exemplary. Even many in West Bengal sincerely believe that Bangladesh will be the last refuge of Bengali culture and language. They are concerned that Bollywood culture may gradually eclipse the true spirits of Bengali culture. Bangladesh also needs to worry about the same threat.
Looks like all the pogress made so far and the future prospect as well will go down the drain in the hands of this anti-culture group.
I met a youngman from Bangladesh about 15 years ago. He was here for a graduate degree. His father was a teacher in a Saudi university. This young man was a nice person. He believed that female roles in dramas or films should played by males.    

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] RE:" Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?

 
       Moral preachings are done as if the Preachers are authorized by none other than Allah. Behind their loud preachings we only have to look at their "Islamic" practices -- encouragement of fatwa-zari for all kinds of mental and physical cruelties to women in the villages, systematic stalking and eve-teasing of school-going girls, organized acid throwing, organizing forcible hijabization of women nationwide, and in incidents of rape, blaming the victim for her "moral deprivation" rather than blaming the rapist for the crime. In fact, rape, used extensively as a war-weapon by the Jehadist razakars helping the Pak aggressors in 1971, is upheld as an "Islamic" culture.

        These Bangladeshi Islamists have certain specialties of "Islamic" culture that are not noted elsewhere in the Muslim world. They will scream at you for being anti-Islamic if you do not pledge uncritical support for the atrocities against humanity and Genocide in 1971.  You must also support the gruesome assassinations of political leaders including the President of the nation in 1975, otherwise you will be branded un-Islamic. Progressive-minded intellectuals who wanted to protest the insult to Islam (by depicting the obscene excesses of "Islam-lovers" in the name of religion) have been attacked by the Islamic culture-loving assassins. THAT is supposed to be "Islamic" culture. If you do not hurl insult at the President, Prime Minister, and the Cabinet of the elected Govt. and the current administation of your country on a regular basis in the most uncivilized, lewd language imaginable, you are to be blasted as an anti-Islamic person. If you want secularism in your constitution are branded as an enemy of Islam.

               It is no wonder that the Pakistani politicians and intellectuals are realizing that so many of the wanton murders, cruelties and misogynist crimes in Pakistan would not have been committed if only the 1971 War Criminals were tried and punished for crimes against humanity in the name of Islam.

              Farida Majid

From: nazrulic@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:07:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [Dahuk]: FW: " Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance ) --why this now?
To: mohiuddin@netzero.net
CC: dahuk@yahoogroups.com; sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com; aanis06@yahoo.com; ovimot@yahoogroups.com; alapon@yahoogroups.com; chottala@yahoogroups.com; nabic@yahoogroups.com; farida_majid@hotmail.com; syed.aslam3@gmail.com; dr.dipumoni@gmail.com

Even today, you will see candle torching culture at Dhaka in Bangladesh. Does it fall in Islamic culture? Even in BD TV, you will see singing following/copying western songs. Those are destroying BD youth deviating from Islamic values. Thanks.

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On Mar 28, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Mohiuddin Anwar <mohiuddin@netzero.net> wrote:

Mr. Abdul Hannan,
 
I agree with your comment.Those young girls who participationg in the  so called "Nacho Bangladesh Nacho" are violating Islamic
teaching. Their Parents should discourage them from participation. In Islam  gorls can't dance in Public, if they dance in front
of girls/women audience that may be accepted but in piublic it's not recommended.All non-islamic cultures destroying our
society. Now celibration of Valentine Day, Fathers Day ,Mothers Day became very popular in Bangladesh ,whicg\h  went against Islaimc teaching.
In Islam everyday is Mothers day.
We muist discourage  our next generation from participating such culture.
May Allah guide those girls and their parents to his right patgh.
 
Sincerely,
M. Anwar

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Subject: [Dahuk]: FW: " Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance )--why this now?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:06:35 +0600


 
 
 
From: S A Hannan [mailto:sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:05 PM
To: 'puspitadr@gmail.com'
Subject: " Nacho Bangladesh nacho " ( dance Bangladesh dance )--why this now?
 
A television channel has organized a competition "Nacho Bangladesh nacho "(dance Bangladesh dance).In various districts this competition is being organized and final will be held in Dhaka.
 
Mostly young and youthful girls are participating in this. Why this is being done? Such girl dancing in public has never been a feature of Muslim culture any where in the Muslim world now or in the past. A few dancers here and there are not liked. I have no argument whether it is art or not but Islam has not permitted such show of bodies of youthful girls in public.
 
It has no benefit in this world or Akhirat.This is not essential for life. Some argue it is an exercise. There are better ways of exercise now. I ask you to think over it. Is it a new conspiracy to take us away from Islamic decency and morals?
 
Please write on this
 
Shah Abdul Hannan
 
 
 
 


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