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[mukto-mona] March for Democracy or March to save the War-Criminals? [1 Attachment]

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March for Democracy or March to save the War-Criminals? Lets raise our voice against atrocities committed by BNP-Jamat in the name of democracy. Please see the newsletter and activities at this time.

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Protest in front of Pakistan Consulate in NY নিউইয়র্কে প্রবাসীদের বিক্ষোভ : যুক্তরাষ্ট্রেও পাকিস্তানী পণ্য বর্জনের হুমকি

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Metro Washington AL also protested in front of Pakistani Embassy

Kadir Mollah hamari banda hay

Patgram Villages yet to Return to Normal

Jamaat-Shibir men defy joint patrol, chase Hindus

Indian Muslim orgs react to Abdul Kadir Mollah's hanging

Taliban threaten to attack Bangladesh mission in Pakistan

Pak Resolution on Mollah's Execution/ Bangladesh bursts in indignation

Bangladesh's legacy of blood endangers its future prospects

The ruling party will win Bangladesh's election. The country will lose

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People in Nilphamari Still reeling from Jamaat shock

PM blasts Khaleda's silence on Pak move

March for Democracy or March to save the War-Criminals?


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Re: [mukto-mona] ইউনূসের কৌশলে হতবাক সরকার !!!!!!



Please don't be silly.  According to foreign estimates three years ago, Bangladesh had a population of over 165 millions.  Prime Minister Hasina and the country she rules has no reason to be subservient to a person like Dr. Yunus.  She is more sober than you think she is.


2013/12/26 ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com>
 

I agree with you that Hasina should compromise with Yunus and make the country peaceful.
By the way, don't increase Bangladeshi population from 160 million to 180 million. Hasina might grab it and say that the missing 20 million had been killed the opposition in the riots, hartals etc. 

- AR


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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ইউনূসের কৌশলে হতবাক সরকার !!!!!!

 
The man is not a Hasina supporter. So, why would Awamis expect him to do the work for them?

Hasina should go for a compromise and have a fair and free election. This needs to be done for the greater good of the country. What would be the point of ruling a country when the streets are burning? Bangladesh is not ready for a Jeffersonian democracy and that needs get PM' head. I am tired and disgusted with her stuborness. This will eventually sink a country of 180 mil of people. A disaster in the making?
-SD

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:57 PM, Muhammad Ali <man1k195709@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

ইউনূসের কৌশলে হতবাক সরকার

25 Dec, 2013
আগামী জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনে ইউরোপ আমেরিকাসহ আন্তর্জাতিক সম্প্রদায়ের সমর্থন না পাওয়ার জন্য ড. মুহাম্মদ ইউনূসকে দায়ী করছে সরকার। গ্রামীণ ব্যাংকের দায়িত্ব থেকে ড. ইউনূসের অব্যাহতির পরই বহির্বিশ্বের বিরাগভাজন হয় শেখ হাসিনা সরকার। একের পর এক হারাতে থাকে বিদেশী মিত্রদের। বাতিল হয় দাতা সংস্থার অর্থায়ন। এসবের জন্য সরকারের সন্দেহের তীর ড. ইউনূসের দিকে।

অর্থনৈতিক সামরিক ও জাতীয় গুরুত্বপূর্ণ বিষয়ে আন্তর্জাতিক সহযোগিতা প্রত্যাহারে সরকার যেমন ধরাশায়ী, তেমনি সহযোগিতা প্রাপ্তির জন্য ইউনূসের সঙ্গে সমঝোতার জন্য বাংলাদেশের প্রতি আন্তর্জাতিক বিশ্বের অনুরোধ-উপদেশে শেখ হাসিনা হতবাক বলে সংশ্লিষ্টরা জানান।

সূত্রমতে, সরকারের ওপর আন্তর্জাতিক চাপের নেপথ্যে রয়েছে ড. ইউনূস। যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের সঙ্গে তার গভীর সম্পর্ক। মার্কিন সরকারের শীর্ষ পর্যায়ের অনেক কর্তাব্যক্তির সঙ্গে রয়েছে তার ব্যক্তিগত সম্পর্ক। বিদ্যমান রাজনৈতিক পরিস্থিতিতে বাংলাদেশ সংক্রান্ত মার্কিন নীতি ইউনূস প্রভাবিত। তাছাড়া জাতিসংঘ, বিশ্বব্যাংক, ইউরোপীয় ইউনিয়ন ও কমনওয়েলথেও গুরুত্ব পাচ্ছে ইউনূস প্রেসক্রিপশন।

গত ১৬ ডিসেম্বর বিজয় দিবসে ইউরোপীয় ইউনিয়নের ঢাকায় নিযুক্ত রাষ্ট্রদূতদের জাতীয় স্মৃতিসৌধে না যাওয়া, আগামী নির্বাচনে দেশগুলোর পক্ষ থেকে পর্যবেক্ষক না পাঠানোর সিদ্ধান্তের পেছনে ড. ইউনূসের হাত আছে বলেও সন্দেহ করছেন সরকারের কয়েকজন নীতিনির্ধারক।

সোমবার যুক্তরাষ্ট্র এই নির্বাচনে কোনো পর্যবেক্ষক না পাঠানোর কথা পরিষ্কার জানিয়ে দিয়েছে।

রোববার ৫৪ দেশের জোট কমনওয়েলথ এই নির্বাচনে পর্যবেক্ষক না পাঠানোর সিদ্ধান্তের কথা নির্বাচন কমিশনকে চিঠি দিয়ে জানিয়ে দেয়। এর আগে ২৮টি দেশের জোট ইউরোপীয় ইউনিয়নও (ইইউ) কোনো পর্যবেক্ষক না পাঠানোর সিদ্ধান্ত জানায়। এছাড়া চীন, জাপান, কানাডাসহ অনেক দেশ চিঠি না দিলেও মৌখিকভাবে কোনো ধরনের পর্যবেক্ষক না পাঠানোর কথা জানিয়েছে। সার্ক, বিমসটেক কিছু না জানালেও আন্তর্জাতিক সম্প্রদায়ের সিদ্ধান্তকেই সমর্থন জানাবে বলে সংশ্লিষ্টদের ধারণা। এসবের নেপথ্যে ড.ইউনূস কলকাঠি নাড়ছেন বলে সরকারি দলের নেতারা মনে করেন।

বাংলাদেশের সঙ্গে বহির্বিশ্বের শীতল সম্পর্ক ও নির্বাচনে বিদেশী পর্যবেক্ষক পাঠানোর জন্য বিরোধীদলের পাশাপাশি ড. মুহাম্মদ ইউনূকেই দায়ী করেছেন আওয়ামী লীগের উপদেষ্টা পরিষদের সদস্য কাজী আকরাম উদ্দীন আহমদ। তিনি প্রাইমনিউজ.কম.বিডিকে বলেন, নোবেলজয়ী ড.ইউনূস দেশের গৌরব। কিন্তু তার দ্বারা দেশের ভাবমূর্তি উজ্জল হয়নি। তার দ্বারা দেশ উপকৃত হওয়ার কথা; কিন্তু ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত হয়েছে। তিনি ক্ষমতায় আসতে চান। তাই ২০০৭ সালে নাগরিক শক্তি নামে রাজনৈতিক দল গঠন করেন। কিন্তু ব্যর্থ হয়ে আওয়ামী লীগ সরকারের বিরুদ্ধে লেগেছেন। বাংলাদেশের ব্যপারে বিদশীদের নেতিবাচক ধারণা তৈরিতে ইউনূস সাহেব অনেক কিছু করেছেন।

পদ্মা সেতু প্রকল্পে অর্থায়ন বাতিলে ড. ইউনূসকে দায়ী করেছেন প্রধানমন্ত্রী শেখ হাসিনা। বিশ্বব্যাংকের অর্থায়ন বাতিলের জন্য বিশেষ কারো হাত রয়েছে বলে তিনি নোবেলজয়ী অর্থনীতিবিদ, গ্রামীণ ব্যাংকের সাবেক ব্যবস্থাপনা পরিচালক ড. মুহাম্মদ ইউনূসের দিকেই ইঙ্গিত করেছেন।

তিনি বলেন, কোনো ব্যক্তি বিশেষের জন্য, কোনো এক ব্যাংকের এমডি পদের জন্য বিশ্বব্যাংক টাকা বন্ধ করে দেবে- একথা আমার কানে এসেছিল। অনেকেই আমাকে এ কথা বলেছিল।

সূত্রমতে, বিএনপি-জামায়াতের নেতৃত্বাধীন ১৮ দলীয় জোটকে ক্ষমতায় বসাতে ড. ইউনুসের কার্যক্রম থেমে নেই। ইউনূসের কূটনৈতিক কৌশলে ধরাশয়ী আওয়ামী লীগ। আওয়ামী লীগকে দেশে বিদেশে চাপে ফেলে গ্রামীণ ব্যাংক থেকে তাকে 'অন্যায়ভাবে সরিয়ে দেওয়ার প্রতিশোধ' নিতে চাচ্ছেন তিনি।

ড. ইউনূসের মধ্যস্থতায় বিএনপির কয়েক নেতার চলছে কূটনৈতিক পাড়ায় রহস্যজনক আরেক রাজনীতি। বিএনপির ওই নেতারা আন্দোলনের কর্মসূচি ঘোষণা করেও তা বাস্তবায়নে মাঠে না নেমে ব্যস্ত থাকছেন ড. ইউনূসের পরিকল্পনা বাস্তবায়নে।

সূত্র জানায়, ঢাকায় নিযুক্ত পাঁচ দেশের রাষ্ট্রদূতের সঙ্গে গত রোববার বিকেলে রাজধানীর গুলশানের একটি হোটেলে বৈঠক করেন বিএনপির নেতারা। মধ্যস্থতায় ছিলেন ড. ইউনূস। দুই ঘণ্টার ওই বৈঠকে ব্রিটেন, কানাডা, অস্ট্রেলিয়া, দক্ষিণ কোরিয়া ও নেদারল্যান্ডসের রাষ্ট্রদূতরা অংশ নেন। বিএনপির পক্ষে দলের ভাইস চেয়ারম্যান শমসের মবিন চৌধুরী, চেয়ারপারসনের উপদেষ্টা সাবিহ উদ্দিন আহমেদ বৈঠকে উপস্থিত ছিলেন।

বাংলাদেশের ওপর থেকে আন্তর্জাতিক বিশ্বের মুখ ফিরিয়ে নেওয়ার জন্য ড. ইউনূসকে দায়ী করেছেন আওয়ামী লীগের আরেক উপদেষ্টা অ্যাডভোকেট ইউসুফ হোসেন হুমায়ুন। প্রাইমনিউজ.কম.বিডিকে তিনি বলেন, মানুষ মনে করে ইউনূস দেশ ও জাতির বিরুদ্ধে চক্রান্তে লিপ্ত । জনগণের বিশ্বাসকে উড়িয়ে দেওয়া যায় না।
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Re: [mukto-mona] Time for Ahmadedias to leave Pak-Stan?



True enlightenment would make a person agnostic.  religion can not live without enforcement.


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

It shows again that Whabbi Islam is not compatible with civility and democratic principles no matter what these liars preach and practice. Force will not make anybody a better religious person but the true enlightenment would.
-SD


 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:33 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Every religion has many subgroups or denominations. Think about Hinduism. There are people who are Shaivas, Shaktos, Vaishnavas, etc. There are so many different ways to reach God who Himself/Hersrlf has many forms and manifestations. God can also be formless and even you don't have to believe in God like the followers of Charvak. Christians, I guess, have more denominations than Muslims have. Even Buddhists have multiple denominations. If you are fanatic and believe that yours is the best, you try to negate the rest resorting to violence. This happened with Mowdudi. His theological theory has created havoc in Pakistan. He has followers in Bangladesh also. They are trying to declare them non-Muslims. 
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On Dec 25, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
This whole episode of Shia and Sunni conflicts puzzles me. Yes, Ahmadis are oppressed in Pakistan, so are the Christians, and the Jews in Iran. What I can say, except that - as long as humankind have religion and religious sects, there will be natural hatred between them. Table just get turned depending on the region of interest; it's a natural consequence, and no religious sect is better than the other in this respect.

Jiten Roy



On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:45 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
How can you be pure enough to be a Pakistani when a Pakistani would love to have one way ticket to an infidel country like US or EU? Is this the face of an evil? Has Islam become a cult religion in Pakistan?
-SD

Jailed British Ahmadi Masood Ahmad in Pakistan blasphemy appeal

Worshippers at the Ahmadi mosque in Lahore Ahmadis are increasingly being persecuted under Pakistan's laws, activists say
A British man of the minority Ahmadi sect is appealing to the UK for help after being jailed in Pakistan on blasphemy charges. Human rights activists say laws in Pakistan, where Ahmadis are considered heretics, are being increasingly used to persecute the community, as the BBC's Saba Eitizaz reports.
It was a home video that turned a man viewed as the old neighbourhood doctor into a prisoner without bail.
Masood Ahmad shuffles through the dank prison corridor, smiling when he greets me. He looks weak and speaks little. And he worries - but not for his freedom.
"I just want you to tell my children that I am fine. It grieves me more that they must be so worried."
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Have I killed or robbed anyone? I request the British government to help me ensure a fair trial"
Masood Ahmad
He asks me to convey this message to his seven children living in Britain and Australia.
Last month Mr Ahmad, 72, was arrested at his homeopathic clinic in Lahore on blasphemy charges.
Two people posing as patients came to him for treatment and had a conversation about religion instead.
They used mobile phones to secretly film him reciting a verse from the Koran, and then called the police to have him arrested.
A photograph of Masood Ahmad is held by his nephew at his house in Lahore December 10, 2013 Masood Ahmad says he felt "marked", but didn't see his arrest coming
The homeopathy practitioner belongs to the Ahmadi minority sect that a large number of Pakistanis view with suspicion because of a law declaring them to be non-Muslims.
Ahmadis, whose holy book is also the Koran, believe their own founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was a prophet, which most Muslims say contradicts mainstream Islamic teaching.
Ahmadis can be jailed for up to three years in Pakistan for "behaving like Muslims", having Muslim names or using Islamic terms for their places of worship or religious rituals.
Human rights activists say the law is now being used to push the Ahmadi community into a legal corner by right-wing religious groups in Pakistan. They are also open targets for sectarian violence by extremists.
"When you formalise persecution of minorities, you should expect extremist elements to take advantage of that, because that is what they thrive on," says human rights lawyer Asma Jehangir, who has raised the issue at several international forums.
Masood Ahmad says he felt "marked" even before he was picked up.
"Somebody had painted a black mark on my car and outside my house a few weeks before I was arrested, so I knew I was being watched."
He still did not see his arrest coming. After all, he had lived in the old neighbourhood of Anarkali since the late 1980s and had close ties with the community.
He is a Pakistani-British dual national who says he returned with a desire to raise his children with Pakistani values and to help people through his medicine.
According to police sources, almost 10 of his neighbours gave eyewitness testimony against him for preaching his faith.
He tells me that many of them also came to see him in jail, concerned for his wellbeing.
"I do not partake in religious debate. I am a doctor, a professional," he says.
Mohammad Hasan Moawwiya Mohammad Hasan Moawwiya says what he is doing is in line with the law
The official complaint registered is in the name of a local cleric who refused to speak to the BBC - but the phone number on it was traced to an activist called Mohammad Hasan Moawwiya, whose name appears in several similar cases against Ahmadis.
He is associated with an emerging group called The Khattam-e-Nabuwwat Lawyer's Forum - an extended legal wing of Khattam-e-Nabuwwat - a right-wing religious group that has also been associated with distributing hate literature and actively campaigning against the Ahmadiyya community in the past.
Mr Moawwiya says it is his legal and constitutional right to do so.
"After the law of 1984 was made, it doesn't mean that it should be neglected, it should be implemented actively," he says. "They [Ahmadis] should name their religion and names as separate to us Muslims, otherwise it's a violation and we are allowed by the law of the country to carry on our work."
However, huge mobs were reported outside the police station when Mr Ahmad was arrested, chanting "Be Qadri! Be Qadri!"
This was a reference to Mumtaz Qadri, the bodyguard of former Punjab Governor Salman Taseer who he killed for speaking out against the blasphemy laws in 2011. He is currently in jail but revered by many.
"The danger is not inside jail, the danger to me is outside," says Mr Ahmad, who is being kept under tight security in Lahore's District Jail.
Security and barricades at the Ahmadi mosque in Lahore Ahmadis now worship and remember their dead behind high walls and barbed wire
The same angry crowds are seen at every court hearing and Mr Ahmad fears the judges may feel pressurised while reaching a verdict. His lawyers have applied for bail twice, due to his old age and illness - but their attempts have failed. The court has cited "insufficient grounds for bail".
Mr Ahmed is now appealing to the British High Commission. "Have I killed or robbed anyone? I request the British government to help me ensure a fair trial. That is all I ask."
His daughter in Australia, Sophia Ahmad, says she is corresponding with the British High Commission and international legal charities to help her father.
"He is recovering from cancer, he is sick and needs medication. We are very worried for him," she told the BBC in Skype conversation.
According to Ahmadi groups, more than 20 cases have been registered against Ahmadis this year alone.
Many others remain in jail.
Another member of the community, Faisal, is still waiting for his 60-year-old father's release after he was jailed earlier this year for reading an Ahmadi newspaper.
The complaint was filed by Mohammad Hasan Moawwiya.
Faisal prays for his father at the Ahmadi mosque in Lahore that was violently attacked by militants with grenades and guns in 2010, killing more than 80 people.
Two of the gunmen arrested at the scene have still not been convicted.
The mosque now resembles an army barracks, with concrete blockades and volunteers from the community patrolling the area at Friday prayer time, shotguns and walkie-talkies at their sides, in order to protect worshippers.
Ahmedi graveyard in Lahore These Ahmadi graves survived this year's attack - many others were desecrated
Close by is the Ahmadi graveyard, but you cannot tell from the outside.
High walls and barbed wire are all you can see, as well as a sniper on the rooftop.
Earlier this year, the entire western portion of the graveyard was destroyed by gunmen who broke through the walls, demolishing many gravestones.
Now a fortress has been built to protect the Ahmadi dead.
Meanwhile, Masood Ahmad waits for his verdict.
"I used to read about minorities being targeted in the newspapers," he says. "Now I'm in the news."


 
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Re: [mukto-mona] Time for Ahmadedias to leave Pak-Stan?



This is the problem with purists like you who believe in sharply defined Islam, and this attitude is the cause of all hatred, division, and violence. Let all who claim themselves to Muslims worship in their own ways. It should not matter if he is Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, or Ismaili. Who cares even if they go to different mosques. The Christians go to different churches. We need peace and unity, not theoretical and theological discourses to divide Muslim population in violent manner. 

If 80% of Indian population and 10% of Bangladeshi population are convinced that they are Hindus, I will not tell them that they are not Hindus. There is some thing called unity in diversity. 

I am sure among the exclusivist Hindutvabadis there are purists like you who maintain the orthodox views about who a true Hindu is. 

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On Dec 26, 2013, at 4:48 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

While we have some areas (Few of them) of "Fundamental" differences with people who refers to themselves as "Ahmadia", I do not agree with how Pakistanis are dealing with them.

As I said earlier, we can ask for truth in labeling. Since Ahmadia followers do not agree with some fundamental teachings of Islam (While we are very similar with many many things), they can call themselves as "Ahmadia-Muslim".

I do NOT support any kind of violence towards Ahmadia followers. Pakistanis (And some others in this region) have a disturbing addiction to solve every crisis with violence. I do not feel this is part of Islam. According to Islam, violence is ONLY justified for self-defense and it is the LAST resort.

It is useless to rationalize Islam with how Hindus deal with their issues. Hinduism is NOT a religion (As per basic understanding of the term). It is more like social customs followed by majority of people who lived on the eastern side of river Sindh. Practice of Hinduism differs wides all over India, so we would illogical to compare Islam (Or even Judaism--which is similar to Islam in rituals) with Sanatana practices.

Some of your criticisms about Maulana Maududi is valid and I'll leave it to his followers to explain them to us. Specifically they should try to be more tolerant of both Muslims and non-Muslims. I found extraordinary level of tolerance among early Muslims in Islamic history and we have to bring it back to our practices.

Shalom!


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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2013 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Time for Ahmadedias to leave Pak-Stan?

 
Every religion has many subgroups or denominations. Think about Hinduism. There are people who are Shaivas, Shaktos, Vaishnavas, etc. There are so many different ways to reach God who Himself/Hersrlf has many forms and manifestations. God can also be formless and even you don't have to believe in God like the followers of Charvak. Christians, I guess, have more denominations than Muslims have. Even Buddhists have multiple denominations. If you are fanatic and believe that yours is the best, you try to negate the rest resorting to violence. This happened with Mowdudi. His theological theory has created havoc in Pakistan. He has followers in Bangladesh also. They are trying to declare them non-Muslims. 
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On Dec 25, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
This whole episode of Shia and Sunni conflicts puzzles me. Yes, Ahmadis are oppressed in Pakistan, so are the Christians, and the Jews in Iran. What I can say, except that - as long as humankind have religion and religious sects, there will be natural hatred between them. Table just get turned depending on the region of interest; it's a natural consequence, and no religious sect is better than the other in this respect.

Jiten Roy



On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:45 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
How can you be pure enough to be a Pakistani when a Pakistani would love to have one way ticket to an infidel country like US or EU? Is this the face of an evil? Has Islam become a cult religion in Pakistan?
-SD

Jailed British Ahmadi Masood Ahmad in Pakistan blasphemy appeal

Worshippers at the Ahmadi mosque in Lahore Ahmadis are increasingly being persecuted under Pakistan's laws, activists say
A British man of the minority Ahmadi sect is appealing to the UK for help after being jailed in Pakistan on blasphemy charges. Human rights activists say laws in Pakistan, where Ahmadis are considered heretics, are being increasingly used to persecute the community, as the BBC's Saba Eitizaz reports.
It was a home video that turned a man viewed as the old neighbourhood doctor into a prisoner without bail.
Masood Ahmad shuffles through the dank prison corridor, smiling when he greets me. He looks weak and speaks little. And he worries - but not for his freedom.
"I just want you to tell my children that I am fine. It grieves me more that they must be so worried."
Continue reading the main story

"Start Quote

Have I killed or robbed anyone? I request the British government to help me ensure a fair trial"
Masood Ahmad
He asks me to convey this message to his seven children living in Britain and Australia.
Last month Mr Ahmad, 72, was arrested at his homeopathic clinic in Lahore on blasphemy charges.
Two people posing as patients came to him for treatment and had a conversation about religion instead.
They used mobile phones to secretly film him reciting a verse from the Koran, and then called the police to have him arrested.
A photograph of Masood Ahmad is held by his nephew at his house in Lahore December 10, 2013 Masood Ahmad says he felt "marked", but didn't see his arrest coming
The homeopathy practitioner belongs to the Ahmadi minority sect that a large number of Pakistanis view with suspicion because of a law declaring them to be non-Muslims.
Ahmadis, whose holy book is also the Koran, believe their own founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was a prophet, which most Muslims say contradicts mainstream Islamic teaching.
Ahmadis can be jailed for up to three years in Pakistan for "behaving like Muslims", having Muslim names or using Islamic terms for their places of worship or religious rituals.
Human rights activists say the law is now being used to push the Ahmadi community into a legal corner by right-wing religious groups in Pakistan. They are also open targets for sectarian violence by extremists.
"When you formalise persecution of minorities, you should expect extremist elements to take advantage of that, because that is what they thrive on," says human rights lawyer Asma Jehangir, who has raised the issue at several international forums.
Masood Ahmad says he felt "marked" even before he was picked up.
"Somebody had painted a black mark on my car and outside my house a few weeks before I was arrested, so I knew I was being watched."
He still did not see his arrest coming. After all, he had lived in the old neighbourhood of Anarkali since the late 1980s and had close ties with the community.
He is a Pakistani-British dual national who says he returned with a desire to raise his children with Pakistani values and to help people through his medicine.
According to police sources, almost 10 of his neighbours gave eyewitness testimony against him for preaching his faith.
He tells me that many of them also came to see him in jail, concerned for his wellbeing.
"I do not partake in religious debate. I am a doctor, a professional," he says.
Mohammad Hasan Moawwiya Mohammad Hasan Moawwiya says what he is doing is in line with the law
The official complaint registered is in the name of a local cleric who refused to speak to the BBC - but the phone number on it was traced to an activist called Mohammad Hasan Moawwiya, whose name appears in several similar cases against Ahmadis.
He is associated with an emerging group called The Khattam-e-Nabuwwat Lawyer's Forum - an extended legal wing of Khattam-e-Nabuwwat - a right-wing religious group that has also been associated with distributing hate literature and actively campaigning against the Ahmadiyya community in the past.
Mr Moawwiya says it is his legal and constitutional right to do so.
"After the law of 1984 was made, it doesn't mean that it should be neglected, it should be implemented actively," he says. "They [Ahmadis] should name their religion and names as separate to us Muslims, otherwise it's a violation and we are allowed by the law of the country to carry on our work."
However, huge mobs were reported outside the police station when Mr Ahmad was arrested, chanting "Be Qadri! Be Qadri!"
This was a reference to Mumtaz Qadri, the bodyguard of former Punjab Governor Salman Taseer who he killed for speaking out against the blasphemy laws in 2011. He is currently in jail but revered by many.
"The danger is not inside jail, the danger to me is outside," says Mr Ahmad, who is being kept under tight security in Lahore's District Jail.
Security and barricades at the Ahmadi mosque in Lahore Ahmadis now worship and remember their dead behind high walls and barbed wire
The same angry crowds are seen at every court hearing and Mr Ahmad fears the judges may feel pressurised while reaching a verdict. His lawyers have applied for bail twice, due to his old age and illness - but their attempts have failed. The court has cited "insufficient grounds for bail".
Mr Ahmed is now appealing to the British High Commission. "Have I killed or robbed anyone? I request the British government to help me ensure a fair trial. That is all I ask."
His daughter in Australia, Sophia Ahmad, says she is corresponding with the British High Commission and international legal charities to help her father.
"He is recovering from cancer, he is sick and needs medication. We are very worried for him," she told the BBC in Skype conversation.
According to Ahmadi groups, more than 20 cases have been registered against Ahmadis this year alone.
Many others remain in jail.
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With the same token, Slavery laws and Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 should be totally kosher too? Certain laws are inherently discriminatory and wrong. It is never too late to acknowledge that and move on.
-SD
 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss



On Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:33 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
 
Dear Mr Bain,

Your outburst on Alan Turing issue is totally unfounded and misplaced. What Alan Turing did in 1952 was illegal under the laws of 1952. So he was convicted and castrated, not imprisoned, as per his wish. 

Now 50 or so years later that law has been changed and Alan Turing, a brilliant British mathematician, had been granted pardon retrospectively and it is the most decent thing the British government and the British Royalty can do.

Your invection that 'the British have not yet gotten civilized enough to seek an unconditional pardon from him, and are talking the nonsense of pardoning him instead' is the most despicable and uncivilised outburst I have ever seen. It is not only racist but also sheer vindictive. What right have you got to brand the whole of British population as uncivilised? And that is coming from somebody with the assumed 'citizenship of America', who had been doing all the uncivilised things throughout the whole world!

If you have any amount of decency, you should withdraw the your sentence and apologise publicly.

- Dr A Rahman    


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I have serious problems with the words, "pardon" and "amnesty", when they are applied to victims and fighters of injustice.
 
Alan Turing did not do any crime, and he did not need any 'pardon'. The British government did a gross injustice to him in 1952 by castrating him. The British government and their royalty are the ones that needed pardoning by him (his departed soul or his family), not the other way around. Obviously, the British have not yet gotten civilized enough to seek an unconditional pardon from him, and are talking the nonsense of pardoning him instead.
 
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One must realise that Alan Turing broke the law as it was in existence in 1952. So he was convicted and castrated, not imprisoned, as per his wish. 

Now 50 or so years later that law has been changed and Alan Turing, a brilliant British mathematician, had been granted pardon retrospectively and it is the most decent thing the British government and the British Royalty can do.

The same high standards and magnanimity cannot be assigned to America. When scores of people from across the globe had been kidnapped and imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay on suspicion of terrorism and many of them had been found to be totally innocent, American government did not come up and apologised to them and compensated them for the injustice. When millions of blacks had been mistreated, segregated and denied opportunities in 1950s and 1960s, American government did not compensate them. 

So, one should not throw stone while living in a glass house!

- AR 
 
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 26 December 2013, 10:49
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Gay mathematician gets royal pardon

 
   I really think Sukhamay hit on the right point .  What 'pardon'?  --  The British Govt. should be paying compensation to Alan Turin . . .


From: subain1@yahoo.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:39:51 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Gay mathematician gets royal pardon

 

I have serious problems with the words, "pardon" and "amnesty", when they are applied to victims and fighters of injustice.
 
Alan Turing did not do any crime, and he did not need any 'pardon'. The British government did a gross injustice to him in 1952 by castrating him. The British government and their royalty are the ones that needed pardoning by him (his departed soul or his family), not the other way around. Obviously, the British have not yet gotten civilized enough to seek an unconditional pardon from him, and are talking the nonsense of pardoning him instead.
 
SuBain
 
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